From mateusz at loskot.net Fri Sep 1 13:52:53 2006 From: mateusz at loskot.net (Mateusz Loskot) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:52:53 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Starting Hand on Web Mapping. In-Reply-To: <345F9741B15CB44C9DE189918608E3412CB638@lagnrntx2.lagnr.chevrontexaco.net> References: <345F9741B15CB44C9DE189918608E3412CB638@lagnrntx2.lagnr.chevrontexaco.net> Message-ID: <44F81F15.8070800@loskot.net> Oguntimehin, John O. (JGNT) [CONT] wrote: > Hi All, > I need to get my hand on web mapping, I am completely new to this, > though I have being working with GIS for over two years. I need to serve > all my maps across users through the internet/intranet. Any idea on how > I might start this, I am on my toes starting. Please point me to > reference materials that might be helpful or just tell me what I need to > do or if there is anywhere I can get online training. I'd suggest you to buy the only and the excellent book introducing GIS and web mapping with Open Source tools Web Mapping Illustrated by Tyler Mitchell http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/webmapping/ Second great book that covers many subjects useful in web mapping too, is "Mapping Hacks": http://mappinghacks.com/ IMHO these books are must have if you're interested in Open Source-driven GIS and Web Mapping. Cheers -- Mateusz Loskot http://mateusz.loskot.net From scott at davisworld.org Fri Sep 1 15:54:12 2006 From: scott at davisworld.org (Scott Davis) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 07:54:12 -0600 Subject: [Freegis-list] Starting Hand on Web Mapping. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <190747DF-9A9C-4799-BCA9-60EDA2430BF5@davisworld.org> All good suggestions. +1 Here are some more: If you want to get a feel for what is possible, I'd start playing with the Google Maps API. ( http://www.mapmap.org/googlemaps/ ) Granted, you are playing with Google's dataset instead of your own, but it should give you an idea of what is possible through the browser. For some pointers on how to play with all of the major map providers (Google, Yahoo, Mapquest, et al), see http:// www.davisworld.org/presentations/realWorldWebServices.pdf . If you want to go one layer of abstraction deeper and see how a "slippy map" interface is implemented, check out http:// www.mapmap.org/ryogm . There are slides and live code demos from a talk I'm doing at FOSS4G called, "Rolling Your Own Google Maps." This is a first step towards hosting your own geodata, although the simple framework we put together in RYOGM is not geo-enabled. It is purely Ajax. Next step for you is to understand the OGC interfaces -- http:// www.davisworld.org/presentations/ogc.pdf . There are a a number of FOSS OGC implementations for you to pick based on your programming language of choice (PHP -- Mapserver, Java -- GeoServer). You can set up a WFS (Web Feature Service) to sling around your vector data, and a WMS (Web Map Service) for your rasters. Once you have your own OGC backend, you'll want to look at a couple of projects that put slippy map interfaces over OGC servers -- MapBuilder and OpenLayers. Finally, both "Web Mapping Illustrated" and "Mapping Hacks" are excellent books. My book, Pragmatic GIS ( http://www.mapmap.org/ pragmaticgis/ ), should be out in beta in time for FOSS4G. Good luck getting started -- these are really exciting times for Web Mapping. There is an embarrassment of riches out there. Scott Davis scott at davisworld.org > Oguntimehin, John O. (JGNT) [CONT] wrote: > > Hi All, > > I need to get my hand on web mapping, I am completely new to this, > > though I have being working with GIS for over two years. I need > to serve > > all my maps across users through the internet/intranet. Any idea > on how > > I might start this, I am on my toes starting. Please point me to > > reference materials that might be helpful or just tell me what I > need to > > do or if there is anywhere I can get online training. > > I'd suggest you to buy the only and the excellent book > introducing GIS and web mapping with Open Source tools > > Web Mapping Illustrated by Tyler Mitchell > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/webmapping/ > > Second great book that covers many subjects useful in web > mapping too, is "Mapping Hacks": > > http://mappinghacks.com/ > > IMHO these books are must have if you're interested in > Open Source-driven GIS and Web Mapping. > > Cheers > -- > Mateusz Loskot > http://mateusz.loskot.net From sfronzek at gmx.net Fri Sep 1 17:12:29 2006 From: sfronzek at gmx.net (sfronzek@gmx.net) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:12:29 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Providers of mapserver hosting Message-ID: <20060901151229.38040@gmx.net> Hi, I am looking for a hosting provider where MapServer can be used. The MapServer home page lists a couple of companies, but I figure that there might be more to choose from. Regards, Stefan -- "Feel free" ? 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From jrbtech at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 17:13:20 2006 From: jrbtech at gmail.com (Jim Burnett) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:13:20 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] Providers of mapserver hosting In-Reply-To: <20060901151229.38040@gmx.net> References: <20060901151229.38040@gmx.net> Message-ID: www.flowchoice.com On 9/1/06, sfronzek at gmx.net wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for a hosting provider where MapServer can be used. The MapServer home page lists a couple of companies, but I figure that there might be more to choose from. > > Regards, > Stefan > -- > > > "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... > Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From Jason.Birch at nanaimo.ca Fri Sep 1 17:18:32 2006 From: Jason.Birch at nanaimo.ca (Jason Birch) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:18:32 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] Starting Hand on Web Mapping. Message-ID: <8E468917B01800408B91984428BE03DD030D5305@starfish.nanaimo.ca> There are a lot of choices out there as you can see: http://freegis.org/database/?cat=9 We can help you narrow the field if you provide a bit more information: - Do you have a corporate-standard OS? Are you open to using Linux? - Same for programming language? If not, what kind of programming resources/familiarity is available to you? - What are you using for your corporate GIS? - What format or database are you using for spatial data storage? - Do you prefer a bundled solution or integrating two or three excellent applications into a best-fit solution? - Are you going to require analysis functions, or just visualisation? Most sets of answers will still leave you with some work to do in figuring out what goes where. There are quite a few skilled integrators out there that can give you a head start if you need some assistance (not me). There are other places you can ask for help too, such as the project-specific mailing lists, and on the OSGeo-discuss list at https://mail.osgeo.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList Jason -----Original Message----- From: freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de [mailto:freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de] On Behalf Of Oguntimehin, John O. (JGNT) [CONT] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 07:23 To: HeinzJ; freegis-list at intevation.de Subject: [Freegis-list] Starting Hand on Web Mapping. Hi All, I need to get my hand on web mapping, I am completely new to this, though I have being working with GIS for over two years. I need to serve all my maps across users through the internet/intranet. Any idea on how I might start this, I am on my toes starting. Please point me to reference materials that might be helpful or just tell me what I need to do or if there is anywhere I can get online training. Thanks John _______________________________________________ Freegis-list mailing list Freegis-list at intevation.de https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From luca.casagrande at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 17:22:37 2006 From: luca.casagrande at gmail.com (Luca Casagrande) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:22:37 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Providers of mapserver hosting In-Reply-To: <20060901151229.38040@gmx.net> References: <20060901151229.38040@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200609011722.38846.luca.casagrande@gmail.com> Alle 17:12, venerd? 01 settembre 2006, sfronzek at gmx.net ha scritto: > Hi, > > I am looking for a hosting provider where MapServer can be used. The > MapServer home page lists a couple of companies, but I figure that there > might be more to choose from. Hi! Check this: http://mrcc.com/ Bye Luca -- "Chiunque pu? simpatizzare col dolore di un amico, ma solo chi ha un animo nobile riesce a simpatizzare col successo di un amico (Oscar Wilde)" LINUX User #411601 GENTOO-GIS Development Team jabber: casagrande at jabber.linux.it From ludwigbrinckmann at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 17:57:09 2006 From: ludwigbrinckmann at gmail.com (Ludwig Max Brinckmann) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:57:09 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Providers of mapserver hosting In-Reply-To: <200609011722.38846.luca.casagrande@gmail.com> References: <20060901151229.38040@gmx.net> <200609011722.38846.luca.casagrande@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f7a6e1c0609010857l19b8b645sd46d9f1d1576329e@mail.gmail.com> If you are looking for a economic, yet flexible solution you probably want a virtual host, i.e. a slice of a real machine, where you are in (almost) full control of the software you need through installation as you would normally do on your home Linux box. As I assume you are German, you are in for a lot of good deals at the moment. I am personally using www.webperoni.de, but there are others out there. Webperoni gives you the option of trying a system for a few days before committing to a contract (which can be as short as 1 month). This is a good way to test performance and suitability for your particular requirements and to see that you can actually run all the software you need. You will also have to consider that you will need a fair amount of space to host your map data (depending on your application - I have around 4 GB of map data on my server). This rules out many traditional web offerings. Running mapserver, postgis and a content management system is possible on a virtual host, but you will probably also need to make pyramids of your data (in different resolutions) to gain acceptable performance and not have mapserver run out of usually fairly limited memory on virtual hosts. You should get a virtual host that does all this for around 10 Euros per month, including domain-name, 100GB+ traffic (if you need more you will certainly need a bigger system), and 5GB+ storage, full root access etc... HTH Ludwig On 9/1/06, Luca Casagrande wrote: > > > Alle 17:12, venerd? 01 settembre 2006, sfronzek at gmx.net ha scritto: > > Hi, > > > > I am looking for a hosting provider where MapServer can be used. The > > MapServer home page lists a couple of companies, but I figure that there > > might be more to choose from. > Hi! > Check this: > http://mrcc.com/ > > Bye > Luca > -- > "Chiunque pu? simpatizzare col dolore di un amico, ma solo chi ha un animo > nobile riesce a simpatizzare col successo di un amico (Oscar Wilde)" > > LINUX User #411601 > GENTOO-GIS Development Team > jabber: casagrande at jabber.linux.it > > > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060901/4ef58546/attachment.html From stan at sumbera.com Fri Sep 15 13:40:13 2006 From: stan at sumbera.com (stan@sumbera.com) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:40:13 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <20060915134013.78z0jw23mu5cgcws@webmail.servery.cz> [cross posted to maserver-users list] Hi all, I have presented at FOSS4G idea, way and solution to what I started to call as "Geospatial Virtual Appliance" Actually its name is MapSnack, it runs as virtual machine - completly isolated from underlying host machine, alowing you to make snapshots, extend, safely drop or return back state..simply all benefits offered by virtualization. I belive this could be a way of complimentary offering to binary distros to wide range of users who just don't want to install and interfere with their existing system - just copy files to your hdd and run. Currently MapSnack supports VMWare virtualization platform (thus you need free VMWare player running either on Linux or Windows and soon on Mac). I plan to support various virtualization platforms (Xen, QEMU,..)and native run as well and create various appliances targeting specific user needs rather than putting there all possible packages. I feel that the term "GEOSPATIAL VIRTUAL APPLIANCE" is very important and need to be addressed to the users who are just unconsciously waiting for this option to start leverage SaaS approach without any risk. Main information you can find here: http://www.foss4g2006.org/contributionDisplay.py?contribId=84&sessionId=41&confId=1 home page of the project is: http://mapsnack.mendelu.cz download can be done via bittorent from: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/187 Kay Applications perinstalled: Apache-2.2.2 PHP-5.1.4 GDAL-1.3.1 PROJ-4.4.9 GRASS-6.0.2 MapServer-4.8.3 MapLab-2.2.1 ka-map-0.2.0 p.mapper-1.9.5 beta enjoy... ... your (map)Snack Stan From wharms at bfs.de Fri Sep 15 16:36:50 2006 From: wharms at bfs.de (walter harms) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:36:50 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS-Job in Freiburg (germany) Message-ID: <450ABA82.80508@bfs.de> Hi List, this is a pre-release: Is anyone interested in a GIS-Job in Freiburg ? AS part of the Eu-project INTERMAP (INTeroperability and Automated MAPing) we have to offer BAT-II/2 position for 2 Years, start ASAP. Candidates should have a degree in Physics or related Sciences. The development is strongly based on Linux and OpenSource GIS Software, so programming experience in needed. In the near future you will find the formal job offer on the BfS homepage. For more Information take a look at www.bfs.de or reply to me. For our Non-German list members: please apply also if you have a good understand of German language re, wh T?tigkeit: Wissenschafltiche Mitarbeiter/in im Rahmen des INTAMAP-Forschungsvorhabens * Entwicklung von Verfahren zur Harmonisierung von ODL-Messwerten und von allgemein anwendbaren Kriterien bei der Erzeugung von Fr?hwarnungen unter Zugrundelegung der Daten des EU-Datenzentrums in Ispra/Italien. * Entwicklung eines raum/zeitlichen gestuften Ausbreitungssimulationsmodells zur Berechnung von Ausbreitungsdaten und Abbildung der Daten auf unregelm??ige St?tzstellen (die realen Messstellen) unter Zugrundelegung geografischer Hintergrundinformation. Entwicklung von 10 unterschiedlichen europaweiten Szenarien f?r den Test der INTAMAP-Algorithmen. Anwendung des Ausbreitungssimultaionsmodells unter Ber?cksichtigung der ausgew?hlten Szenarien auf das INTAMAP-Programmpaket. * Variation von Einzelwerten zur Simulation von Ausreissern und Test des INTAMAP-Programmpakets inkl. der von den ?brigen Projektpartnern entwickelten statistischen Methoden. Voraussetzungen: * Abgeschlossenes Hochschulstudium der Fachrichtung Physik oder evtl. einer anderen einschl?gigen naturwissenschaftlichen oder technischen Ausrichtung * Einschl?gige Kenntnisse auf dem Gebiet der physikalischen Messtechnik, des Strahlenschutzes und der Datenverarbeitung und -auswertung sowie moderner kommunikationstechnischer Methoden (Linux, C-Programmierung, geografischer Informationssysteme, relationale Datenbanken, SQL und Intranet-Techniken) * Fachspezifische Kenntnisse in Englisch * Ausgepr?gte Kooperationsbereitschaft und sicheres Auftreten Die Stelle ist auf 2 Jahre befristet From jan-oliver.wagner at intevation.de Tue Sep 19 17:13:50 2006 From: jan-oliver.wagner at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:13:50 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] ERMapper ECW License problematic Message-ID: <200609191713.52036.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> Hello, today I had the time to study the ECW License Agreements. Apparently the "ECW JPEG 2000 SDK Public Use Licene Agreement" is supposed to allow use within a Free Software. Though it says it allows use within a GPL-style license there is IMHO a clear contradiction of terms. """ ... This license applies to any use of the Software Product solely intended to develop or be distributed with products that are licensed under a license similar to a General Public License ("GPL") and at no charge to the public. This license covers modification and distribution of the Software, use of third-party application programs based on the Software, and development of free software that uses the Software. ... """ "at no charge to the public" is contradictory with the terms of GPL/LGPL which allows to charge whatever you like as long as you also say that it is Free Software and the source code is available for the cost of reproduction and postage. Though it may not appear so, it is a fundamental diferences. Especially for commercial projects where you deliver a Free Software to a customer, the ECW SDK is a no-go since it is not compatible with the e.g. LGPL. At least this is my interpretation. Any other opinions? Additional comments? Note, that I found several other stangeness in this license, but one was already enough to render it useless form the Commercial Free Software perspective. Note further that there was some discussion last year [1] on ECW but primarily about the question why it is not Free Software itself. Best Jan [1] http://intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/2005-January/002091.html -- Jan-Oliver Wagner: www.intevation.de/~jan | GISpatcher: www.gispatcher.de Kolab Konsortium : www.kolab-konsortium.de | Thuban : thuban.intevation.org Intevation GmbH : www.intevation.de | Kolab : www.kolab.org FreeGIS : www.freegis.org | GAV : www.grass-verein.de From h-j.luecking at t-online.de Thu Sep 21 11:12:53 2006 From: h-j.luecking at t-online.de (HeinzJ) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:12:53 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] ERMapper ECW License problematic In-Reply-To: <200609191713.52036.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> References: <200609191713.52036.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> Message-ID: <45125795.8010207@t-online.de> Jan-Oliver Wagner schrieb: > Hello, > > ... > "at no charge to the public" is contradictory with the terms of GPL/LGPL > which allows to charge whatever you like as long as you also say that it > ... I think it is by law correct to use GPL/LGPL as a pattern for your own licence. They write it down very clearly "similar" and not in footnotes etc. And it is good marketing: "GPL sounds good". Heinz-Josef L?cking Klausstr. 40 28309 Bremen Germany tel.:(49) 0421 4585 831 email.: h-j.luecking at t-online.de homepage: http://www.hjl.giswiki.org project: http://www.giswiki.org From h-j.luecking at t-online.de Thu Sep 21 12:26:00 2006 From: h-j.luecking at t-online.de (HeinzJ) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:26:00 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] ERMapper ECW License problematic In-Reply-To: <200609191713.52036.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> References: <200609191713.52036.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> Message-ID: Jan-Oliver Wagner schrieb: > Hello, > > ... > "at no charge to the public" is contradictory with the terms of GPL/LGPL > which allows to charge whatever you like as long as you also say that it > ... I think it is by law correct to use GPL/LGPL as a pattern for your own licence. They write it down very clearly "similar" and not in footnotes etc. And it is good marketing: "GPL sounds good". Heinz-Josef L?cking Klausstr. 40 28309 Bremen Germany tel.:(49) 0421 4585 831 email.: h-j.luecking at t-online.de homepage: http://www.hjl.giswiki.org project: http://www.giswiki.org From ral at alum.mit.edu Fri Sep 22 22:00:22 2006 From: ral at alum.mit.edu (Roger Longhorn) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:00:22 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Closing the Open Source Licensing Gap Message-ID: <451440D6.7090302@alum.mit.edu> For those of you using or considering using Open Source GIS packages - some licensing issues from this month's WIPO Newsletter for SMEs: "Continued acceleration in the use of open source software has made developing and implementing an open source compliance program a business necessity. While using such software, however, most companies do not take any measures to comply with the requirements of open source licenses. This may result in unintended violations of open source licenses and other potential liabilities. To avoid this risk and also to realize other benefits, the author Jason D. Haislmaier, a partner in the Intellectual Property Group of the law firm of Holme Roberts & Owen LLP, identifies the best practices that companies could use to close the *open source compliance gap*." [paper is at http://www.hro.com/pubs/closingthegap.pdf ] Regards Roger Longhorn ral at alum.mit.edu From bernhard at intevation.de Sat Sep 23 18:53:43 2006 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:53:43 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Converter for Map Library Files (.mlb) format? Message-ID: <200609231853.44260.bernhard@intevation.de> www.maplibrary.org has Libre Geodata for many African countries. Unfortunately they only offer gratis, non-free software for windows, using the .ecw (ER Mapper) format for raster and presumetly their own format for vectors called map library files (.mlb). There is a short speficification available as well. The site seems to partly be an advertisment side for the sponsor that offers zero cost proprietary software for some African organisations. Does somebody now Free Software converters for the used formats? I know that gdal can do .ecw, if you use proprietary libraries. Maplibrary.org claims that they have choosen the format because they could use it royalty free. This indicates that a Free Software implementation should be possible. The .mlb format(s) seem to be quite easy to read. It would be quite nice to enable the use of the data on GNU/Linux or other free operating systems. 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Please feel free to join it through the home page of the project http://mapsnack.sourceforge.net/ Hereby I also warmly invite Allan (EOGEO) and Till(GDIdevL) (who are working on similar topics) to join the list. see you there ! Stan [cross posted to freegis] From jachym.cepicky at centrum.cz Tue Sep 26 22:07:07 2006 From: jachym.cepicky at centrum.cz (Jachym Cepicky) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:07:07 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Announcement: PyWPS 1.0rc1 released Message-ID: <20060926200707.GA845@localdomain> Hallo, i just released PyWPS 1.0 release candidate 1, which can be downloaded from [1]. If no bugs occure, version 1.0 will be released soon. PyWPS is implementation of OGC's Web Processing standard, which uses GRASS GIS in background. 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I wonder whether there are no such combinations out there - is anyone aware of one? Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner: www.intevation.de/~jan | GISpatcher: www.gispatcher.de Kolab Konsortium : www.kolab-konsortium.de | Thuban : thuban.intevation.org Intevation GmbH : www.intevation.de | Kolab : www.kolab.org FreeGIS : www.freegis.org | GAV : www.grass-verein.de From tflynch at gmail.com Wed Sep 27 01:47:32 2006 From: tflynch at gmail.com (Tom Lynch) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:47:32 +1000 Subject: [Freegis-list] ERMapper ECW License problematic In-Reply-To: <200609262303.42378.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> References: <200609191713.52036.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> <45125795.8010207@t-online.de> <200609262303.42378.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> Message-ID: On 9/27/06, Jan-Oliver Wagner wrote: > > On Thursday 21 September 2006 11:12, HeinzJ wrote: > > I think it is by law correct to use GPL/LGPL as a pattern for your own > > licence. They write it down very clearly "similar" and not in footnotes > > etc. > > thats not really point I am worried about. If you combine ECW and > a (L)GPL software, there is simply a license violation, induced by > contradictory ECW license. > > I wonder whether there are no such combinations out there - is > anyone aware of one? Hi guys, Just to clarify, the Public Use License Agreement for ER Mapper's ECW and JPEG 2000 codecs and the related SDK is not the same as the GPL. It's described as "GPL-style" to make it clear to potential licensees that it carries a copyleft restriction for anyone wanting to distribute software that uses it. It is true, and somewhat unfortunate, that it does not conform to the FSF's guidelines for "free" software. This is something that comes under regular review at ER Mapper. We could, for the most part, transfer the license to a straight GPL dual license, but we are somewhat concerned that the ECW format might be modified by third parties, creating format compatibility problems. Also, the SDK is a commercial product and its main focus is still commercial licensing. If anyone has further questions about the SDK's licensing, please fire away :-) Regards -- Tom Lynch Development, ER Mapper Phone: +61 (0) 434 929 287 Email: tom.lynch at ermapper.com Web: http://www.ermapper.com Forums: http://forum.ermapper.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060927/8d24b507/attachment.html From jan-oliver.wagner at intevation.de Wed Sep 27 09:50:11 2006 From: jan-oliver.wagner at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:50:11 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] ERMapper ECW License problematic In-Reply-To: References: <200609191713.52036.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> <200609262303.42378.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> Message-ID: <200609270950.12372.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> Hi Tom, On Wednesday 27 September 2006 01:47, Tom Lynch wrote: > Just to clarify, the Public Use License Agreement for ER Mapper's ECW and > JPEG 2000 codecs and the related SDK is not the same as the GPL. It's > described as "GPL-style" to make it clear to potential licensees that it > carries a copyleft restriction for anyone wanting to distribute software > that uses it. > It is true, and somewhat unfortunate, that it does not conform to the FSF's > guidelines for "free" software. This is something that comes under regular > review at ER Mapper. We could, for the most part, transfer the license to a > straight GPL dual license, but we are somewhat concerned that the ECW format > might be modified by third parties, creating format compatibility problems. as I wrote in my initial email, this is understood and not the actual question. The question is: Is it legal to link ECW with a LGPL (or similar) licensed software? My opinion is no, because of the described contractiction. If your answer to my question is yes, what is your comment on the contradiction? I'd really appreciate a official statement from ERMapper if that is possible. I do not ask out of simple curiosity - we have a commercial(!) Free Software development project which faces uncalculatable legal risks due to ECW license. > Also, the SDK is a commercial product and its main focus is still commercial > licensing. Free Software is also commercial. Please don't oppose Free Software and Commercial Software. The opponents are Free Software and Proprietary Software. Both can either be gratis or commercial. > If anyone has further questions about the SDK's licensing, please fire away > :-) done :-) Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner: www.intevation.de/~jan | GISpatcher: www.gispatcher.de Kolab Konsortium : www.kolab-konsortium.de | Thuban : thuban.intevation.org Intevation GmbH : www.intevation.de | Kolab : www.kolab.org FreeGIS : www.freegis.org | GAV : www.grass-verein.de From sxpert at esitcom.org Wed Sep 27 10:07:59 2006 From: sxpert at esitcom.org (Raphael Jacquot) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:07:59 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] ERMapper ECW License problematic In-Reply-To: References: <200609191713.52036.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> <45125795.8010207@t-online.de> <200609262303.42378.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> Message-ID: <451A315F.5090906@esitcom.org> Tom Lynch wrote: > Just to clarify, the Public Use License Agreement for ER Mapper's ECW > and JPEG 2000 codecs and the related SDK is not the same as the GPL. > It's described as "GPL-style" to make it clear to potential licensees > that it carries a copyleft restriction for anyone wanting to distribute > software that uses it. > > It is true, and somewhat unfortunate, that it does not conform to the > FSF's guidelines for "free" software. This is something that comes > under regular review at ER Mapper. We could, for the most part, > transfer the license to a straight GPL dual license, but we are somewhat > concerned that the ECW format might be modified by third parties, > creating format compatibility problems. you may want to consult the FSF about being the guardian of the data format (accepting new features along the way). by publishing the format specification, you ensure that no undue modification of said format can occur without proper justification. anything not following the spec is NOT an ECW file. I suppose you have a version number in that data format somewhere... From stef at zoomata.com Wed Sep 27 10:18:45 2006 From: stef at zoomata.com (Stefano Maffulli) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:18:45 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] ERMapper ECW License problematic In-Reply-To: References: <200609191713.52036.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> <45125795.8010207@t-online.de> <200609262303.42378.jan-oliver.wagner@intevation.de> Message-ID: <1159345125.12384.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 09:47 +1000, Tom Lynch wrote: > It is true, and somewhat unfortunate, that it does not conform to the > FSF's guidelines for "free" software. This is something that comes > under regular review at ER Mapper. We could, for the most part, > transfer the license to a straight GPL dual license, but we are > somewhat concerned that the ECW format might be modified by third > parties, creating format compatibility problems. If this is the main concern then probably a solution can rotate around trademark enforcement: software that is ECW standard complaint can use the trademark, otherwise you can enforce it against software distributors that don't comply. This would be a short term solution, because the long term one would be to hand the standard to a open standard definition body. IANAL, TINLA. If you are interested in following this path I'm sure FSFs around the world can provide legal suggestions. > Also, the SDK is a commercial product and its main focus is still > commercial licensing. As you said, dual licensing can help your business model in the short term, while you adjust it to a more sustainable one :) cheers stef From vtrigas at hotmail.com Wed Sep 27 11:48:01 2006 From: vtrigas at hotmail.com (vassilis Trigkas) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:48:01 +0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] Real time server Message-ID: I’m looking for a program like Tracking Server. We have some data from different sources to a Database and we want to “pushes” the data from Database to ArcIMS or to a web client. All this process we want to be automatically from Database to ArcIMs or a web client!. _________________________________________________________________ Share your special moments by uploading 500 photos per month to Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.get.live.com/spaces/features From cavallini at faunalia.it Wed Sep 27 15:01:21 2006 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:01:21 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Announcement: PyWPS 1.0rc1 released In-Reply-To: <20060926200707.GA845@localdomain> References: <20060926200707.GA845@localdomain> Message-ID: <451A7621.6080002@faunalia.it> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 WPS seems deprecated: http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/deprecated pc Jachym Cepicky ha scritto: > Hallo, > i just released PyWPS 1.0 release candidate 1, which can be downloaded > from [1]. > > If no bugs occure, version 1.0 will be released soon. > > PyWPS is implementation of OGC's Web Processing standard, which uses > GRASS GIS in background. > > Thank you > > Jachym > > [1] http://les-ejk.cz/?cat=pywps - -- Paolo Cavallini email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFGnYh/NedwLUzIr4RAjAVAJ0fI2bLGMRbAHzmB4VATm/ZdlXHBgCeOpwa t1P6aj8Sc2Vf1nj+MuRan2w= =SrnD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cavallini at faunalia.it Wed Sep 27 15:04:52 2006 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:04:52 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Announcement: PyWPS 1.0rc1 released In-Reply-To: <451A7621.6080002@faunalia.it> References: <20060926200707.GA845@localdomain> <451A7621.6080002@faunalia.it> Message-ID: <451A76F4.9000507@faunalia.it> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 sorry, the situation seems (as usual with OCG) more complicated than this. Which version of WPS does PyWPS adheres to? pc Paolo Cavallini ha scritto: > WPS seems deprecated: > http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/deprecated > pc > > Jachym Cepicky ha scritto: >>> Hallo, >>> i just released PyWPS 1.0 release candidate 1, which can be downloaded >>> from [1]. >>> >>> If no bugs occure, version 1.0 will be released soon. >>> >>> PyWPS is implementation of OGC's Web Processing standard, which uses >>> GRASS GIS in background. >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> Jachym >>> >>> [1] http://les-ejk.cz/?cat=pywps > -- > Paolo Cavallini > email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it > www.faunalia.it > Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 _______________________________________________ Freegis-list mailing list Freegis-list at intevation.de https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list - -- Paolo Cavallini email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFGnb0/NedwLUzIr4RApoAAJ4mCkK+uWs0fcfbwbrmjj8UsOI6gQCgmgs/ 58liroK8rZSBRioBEKy/eA0= =r8Sk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jachym.cepicky at centrum.cz Wed Sep 27 15:35:40 2006 From: jachym.cepicky at centrum.cz (Jachym Cepicky) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:35:40 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Announcement: PyWPS 1.0rc1 released In-Reply-To: <451A76F4.9000507@faunalia.it> References: <20060926200707.GA845@localdomain> <451A7621.6080002@faunalia.it> <451A76F4.9000507@faunalia.it> Message-ID: <20060927133539.GC32222@localdomain> hallo, current version of the WPS standard should be 0.4.0, defined in Date: 2005-09-16 Reference number of this document: OGC 05-007r4 Do not ask me, from where to download it, i can give you only this link from http://www.incubator52n.de/twiki/bin/view/Processing/52nWebProcessingService http://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=12184 PyWPS should be compatible with this version jachym On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 03:04:52PM +0200, Paolo Cavallini wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > sorry, the situation seems (as usual with OCG) more complicated than > this. Which version of WPS does PyWPS adheres to? > pc > > Paolo Cavallini ha scritto: > > WPS seems deprecated: > > http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/deprecated > > pc > > > > Jachym Cepicky ha scritto: > >>> Hallo, > >>> i just released PyWPS 1.0 release candidate 1, which can be downloaded > >>> from [1]. > >>> > >>> If no bugs occure, version 1.0 will be released soon. > >>> > >>> PyWPS is implementation of OGC's Web Processing standard, which uses > >>> GRASS GIS in background. > >>> > >>> Thank you > >>> > >>> Jachym > >>> > >>> [1] http://les-ejk.cz/?cat=pywps > > -- > > Paolo Cavallini > > email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it > > www.faunalia.it > > Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > > - -- > Paolo Cavallini > email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it > www.faunalia.it > Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFFGnb0/NedwLUzIr4RApoAAJ4mCkK+uWs0fcfbwbrmjj8UsOI6gQCgmgs/ > 58liroK8rZSBRioBEKy/eA0= > =r8Sk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Jachym Cepicky e-mail: jachym.cepicky at centrum.cz URL: http://les-ejk.cz GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/gnupg_public_key/jachym_cepicky-gpg_public_key.asc ----------------------------------------- OFFICE: GDF-Hannover Mengendamm 16d 30177 Hannover Germany e-mail: cepicky at gdf-hannover.de URL: http://gdf-hannover.de Tel.: +49 511-39088507 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060927/4871f6da/attachment.bin From cavallini at faunalia.it Wed Sep 27 15:37:47 2006 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:37:47 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Announcement: PyWPS 1.0rc1 released In-Reply-To: <20060927133539.GC32222@localdomain> References: <20060926200707.GA845@localdomain> <451A7621.6080002@faunalia.it> <451A76F4.9000507@faunalia.it> <20060927133539.GC32222@localdomain> Message-ID: <451A7EAB.7020806@faunalia.it> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Great, thanks a lot! pc Jachym Cepicky ha scritto: > hallo, > > current version of the WPS standard should be 0.4.0, defined in > > Date: 2005-09-16 > Reference number of this document: OGC 05-007r4 > > Do not ask me, from where to download it, i can give you only this link > from > http://www.incubator52n.de/twiki/bin/view/Processing/52nWebProcessingService > > http://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=12184 > > PyWPS should be compatible with this version - -- Paolo Cavallini email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFGn6r/NedwLUzIr4RAgQKAJsEIaK8r08kRkfNotC7yHicuiFaFwCguDt0 8MMWwNE2aPC99+ZIL0iw9is= =kRJF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wharms at bfs.de Wed Sep 27 16:30:05 2006 From: wharms at bfs.de (walter harms) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:30:05 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Real time server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <451A8AED.8020200@bfs.de> hi vassilis, this is more a database question, basicly you have 2 options: 1. incident based - works best when you have a only few table to read from and few changes per day. 2. time based - works nearly every simply write a cronjob to make a snapshot of all data and move it to your application i doubt there i a ready-to-use tool anywhere. IMHO most situations are unique and there is no way t write a useful program. re, wh vassilis Trigkas wrote: > I’m looking for a program like Tracking Server. We have some data from different sources to a Database and we want to “pushes” the data from Database to ArcIMS or to a web client. > All this process we want to be automatically from Database to ArcIMs or a web client!. > > _________________________________________________________________ > From fitzke at lat-lon.de Wed Sep 27 17:12:25 2006 From: fitzke at lat-lon.de (Jens Fitzke) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:12:25 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Announcement: PyWPS 1.0rc1 released In-Reply-To: <451A7621.6080002@faunalia.it> References: <20060926200707.GA845@localdomain> <451A7621.6080002@faunalia.it> Message-ID: <451A94D9.20108@lat-lon.de> My take on this is that the 0.4.0 *document* is deprecated, since a new version has been developed and the motion "To recommend Web Processing Service (WPS) (05-007r4) as an OpenGIS(r) Implementation Specification, version 0" was approved by electronic vote. Does anybody know more about the current status of the adoption process? If not and if somebody is interested, I could ask OGC staff about this. jens Paolo Cavallini wrote: > WPS seems deprecated: > http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/deprecated > pc > > Jachym Cepicky ha scritto: > >>>Hallo, >>>i just released PyWPS 1.0 release candidate 1, which can be downloaded >>>from [1]. >>> >>>If no bugs occure, version 1.0 will be released soon. >>> >>>PyWPS is implementation of OGC's Web Processing standard, which uses >>>GRASS GIS in background. >>> >>>Thank you >>> >>>Jachym >>> >>>[1] http://les-ejk.cz/?cat=pywps > > -- > Paolo Cavallini > email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it > www.faunalia.it > Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From cresques at gmail.com Wed Sep 27 19:10:03 2006 From: cresques at gmail.com (Luis W. Sevilla) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:10:03 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Announcement: PyWPS 1.0rc1 released In-Reply-To: <451A94D9.20108@lat-lon.de> References: <20060926200707.GA845@localdomain> <451A7621.6080002@faunalia.it> <451A94D9.20108@lat-lon.de> Message-ID: <451AB06B.7070400@gmail.com> Hi all, At present last deprecated version of WPS seems to be 0.3.0 (05-007r2). Here http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/requests/28 you may find last available specification document and, as it saids in the page "This Request is closed. The documents listed below have been adopted by the OGC Technical and Planning Committee. These specifications are under control of the specification Revision Working Group and will be released after the edits and revisions. For the most current version please check our Standards Page". greetings. Luis Jens Fitzke wrote: >My take on this is that the 0.4.0 *document* is deprecated, since a new >version has been developed and the motion "To recommend Web Processing >Service (WPS) (05-007r4) as an OpenGIS(r) Implementation Specification, >version 0" was approved by electronic vote. Does anybody know more about >the current status of the adoption process? If not and if somebody is >interested, I could ask OGC staff about this. > >jens > >Paolo Cavallini wrote: > > >>WPS seems deprecated: >>http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/deprecated >>pc >> >>Jachym Cepicky ha scritto: >> >> >> >>>>Hallo, >>>>i just released PyWPS 1.0 release candidate 1, which can be downloaded >>>> >>>> >>>>from [1]. >>> >>> >>>>If no bugs occure, version 1.0 will be released soon. >>>> >>>>PyWPS is implementation of OGC's Web Processing standard, which uses >>>>GRASS GIS in background. >>>> >>>>Thank you >>>> >>>>Jachym >>>> >>>>[1] http://les-ejk.cz/?cat=pywps >>>> >>>> >>-- >>Paolo Cavallini >>email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it >>www.faunalia.it >>Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Freegis-list mailing list >Freegis-list at intevation.de >https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > >