From hitchcock at conterra.de Wed Mar 1 10:46:15 2006 From: hitchcock at conterra.de (Ann Hitchcock) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:46:15 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] 52?North publishes first quality controlled stable release! Message-ID: <44056D67.1090107@conterra.de> Dear FreeGIS List, The open source software initiative 52°North (http:www.52north.org) emphasizes quality management to ensure software’s practical suitability and sustainability. Therefore we are proud to announce our first software stable release which has successfully completed the 52°North quality assurance testing! 52N SecuritySystem rel-1.1(download at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=122215&package_id=152063) The 52°North Security System protects OGC web services implemented in Spatial Data Infrastructures (SDIs). The components Web Authentication Service (WAS), the Web Security Service (WSS) and a Web Security Client (WSC.Desktop, WSC.JWS, WSC.NTService) protect content from unauthorized use and enable users to access data and services for which he/she is authorized. Please direct comments and inquiries to 52°North's Working Group Security mailing list ( http://www.52north.org/mailman/listinfo/security) or contact the Working Group chair Jan Drewnak ( drewnak at 52north.org). Visit us at con terra GmbH's booth at the CEBIT (March 9 - 15), Halle 9, Stand C68 and find out more information about our software and organization. ------------------------------ Dipl.-Geogr. Ann Hitchcock con terra GmbH Martin-Luther-King-Weg 24 48155 Münster Germany Tel: +49 (0)251 7474 520 Fax: +49 (0)251 7474 100 email: hitchcock at conterra.de http://www.conterra.de http://www.52north.org From strk at keybit.net Wed Mar 1 12:20:40 2006 From: strk at keybit.net (strk) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:20:40 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Protection vs. sharing (was: 52?North publishes first quality controlled stable release!) In-Reply-To: <44056D67.1090107@conterra.de> References: <44056D67.1090107@conterra.de> Message-ID: <20060301112040.GF23021@keybit.net> It is sad that "open" software developers are working on data "protection" rather then data "sharing". Many times, when there are not big "pushes" toward protecting things people inherit the policy that software developers put into their tools. Software tools do can change the relations amongst human beings. Yes, I do see posible ethical applications for this software, but National data protection is likely to be the big market for this product, and this represent a big contraddiction with the goal of this community. I hope I'm wrong and you'll actually make a public statement against restricting public access to state-collected data, as this is what the freegis community is currently figthing against. A public statement from your company, and hopefully adherence to the campaign, would help the cause. Looking forward to hear from you. --strk; ---------------------------------------------------------------------- State-collected Geographic Data is public property ! European citizens, reject the INSPIRE directive. Sign the petition: http://petition.publicgeodata.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 10:46:15AM +0100, Ann Hitchcock wrote: > Dear FreeGIS List, > > The open source software initiative 52?North (http:www.52north.org) > emphasizes quality management to ensure software?s practical suitability > and sustainability. Therefore we are proud to announce our first > software stable release which has successfully completed the 52?North > quality assurance testing! > > 52N SecuritySystem rel-1.1(download at > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=122215&package_id=152063) > > The 52?North Security System protects OGC web services implemented in > Spatial Data Infrastructures (SDIs). The components Web Authentication > Service (WAS), the Web Security Service (WSS) and a Web Security Client > (WSC.Desktop, WSC.JWS, WSC.NTService) protect content from unauthorized > use and enable users to access data and services for which he/she is > authorized. > > Please direct comments and inquiries to 52?North's Working Group > Security mailing list ( > http://www.52north.org/mailman/listinfo/security) > or contact the Working Group chair Jan Drewnak ( > drewnak at 52north.org). > > > Visit us at con terra GmbH's booth at the CEBIT (March 9 - 15), Halle 9, > Stand C68 and find out more information about our software and organization. > ------------------------------ > Dipl.-Geogr. Ann Hitchcock > con terra GmbH > Martin-Luther-King-Weg 24 > 48155 M?nster > Germany > > Tel: +49 (0)251 7474 520 > Fax: +49 (0)251 7474 100 > > email: hitchcock at conterra.de > http://www.conterra.de > http://www.52north.org > From artem at pavlenko.uklinux.net Thu Mar 2 11:56:44 2006 From: artem at pavlenko.uklinux.net (Artem Pavlenko) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:56:44 +0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] Mapnik progress Message-ID: <4406CF6C.2050501@pavlenko.uklinux.net> Dear list! About: Mapnik is a Free Toolkit for developing mapping applications. Above all Mapnik is about making beautiful maps. It is easily extensible and suitable for both desktop and web development. It uses the AGG library and offers world class anti-aliasing rendering with subpixel accuracy for geographic data. It is written from scratch in modern C++ and doesn't suffer from design decisions made a decade ago. When it comes to handling common software tasks such as memory management, filesystem access, regular expressions, parsing and so on, Mapnik doesn't re-invent the wheel, but utilises best of breed industry standard libraries from boost.org New Features: Font engine, text symbolizer, label collision detector Work in progress on XML based map definitions and more. Here are some results so far: http://static.flickr.com/35/106561736_afcdc30ddb_o.png Cheers Artem Pavlenko From ijturton at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 16:05:06 2006 From: ijturton at gmail.com (Ian Turton) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:05:06 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Protection vs. sharing (was: 52?North publishes first quality controlled stable release!) In-Reply-To: <20060301112040.GF23021@keybit.net> References: <44056D67.1090107@conterra.de> <20060301112040.GF23021@keybit.net> Message-ID: On 3/1/06, strk wrote: > > It is sad that "open" software developers are working on data "protection" > rather then data "sharing". Many times, when there are not big > "pushes" toward protecting things people inherit the policy that > software developers put into their tools. > > Software tools do can change the relations amongst human beings. I have to disagree here! There is no inherent conflict between open source code and digital rights management (DRM). If for example I'm working with confidential data (like cancer or aids data) then I do need to make it protected data - its confidential and should stay that way but I need a way for distributed analysts to be able to share that data in a secure way. I could write my own security code and modify say GeoServer to implement my scheme, but I'm not really good at security after all I'm a geographer. Then my data leaks on to the internet - news at 11 open source software allows major privacy breach! This sort of thing then sets back the uptake of open source mapping code, even though I could have leaked the data faster using proprietary code. So I think there are definite advantages to providing good GeoDRM and security code. I "know" all data wants to be free but to be honest I'd rather my medical records stayed confidential but that my doctors had access to high quality secure open source code to analyse them. Ian -- Ian Turton http://www.geotools.org http://pennspace.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060302/4aa7314c/attachment.html From j.j.green at sheffield.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 16:20:35 2006 From: j.j.green at sheffield.ac.uk (J.J. Green) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:20:35 +0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] Protection vs. sharing (was: 52?North publishes first quality controlled stable release!) In-Reply-To: References: <44056D67.1090107@conterra.de> <20060301112040.GF23021@keybit.net> Message-ID: <1141312835.21519.13.camel@lax.shef.ac.uk> Ian > I have to disagree here! There is no inherent conflict between open > source code and digital rights management (DRM). If for example I'm > working with confidential data ... No! DRM has NOTHING to do with security -- it is about the deprecation of general purpose machines and their replacement by domain-specific consoles controlled by "trusted" authorities. DRM is the enemy not just of open source, not just of our society, but of our very species! Man without control of his tools is no more than a rat in a cage. -j -- J.J. Green, Dept. Applied Mathematics, Hicks Bld., University of Sheffield, UK. +44 (0114) 222 3742 http://pdfb.wiredworkplace.net/pub/jjg From sxpert at esitcom.org Thu Mar 2 16:41:00 2006 From: sxpert at esitcom.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Jacquot?=) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:41:00 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Protection vs. sharing In-Reply-To: References: <44056D67.1090107@conterra.de> <20060301112040.GF23021@keybit.net> Message-ID: <4407120C.3000407@esitcom.org> Ian Turton wrote: > On 3/1/06, *strk* > wrote: > > It is sad that "open" software developers are working on data > "protection" > rather then data "sharing". Many times, when there are not big > "pushes" toward protecting things people inherit the policy that > software developers put into their tools. > > Software tools do can change the relations amongst human beings. > > > I have to disagree here! There is no inherent conflict between open > source code and digital rights management (DRM). If for example I'm > working with confidential data (like cancer or aids data) then I do > need to make it protected data - its confidential and should stay that > way but I need a way for distributed analysts to be able to share that > data in a secure way. I could write my own security code and modify say > GeoServer to implement my scheme, but I'm not really good at security > after all I'm a geographer. Then my data leaks on to the internet - news > at 11 open source software allows major privacy breach! This sort of > thing then sets back the uptake of open source mapping code, even though > I could have leaked the data faster using proprietary code. > > So I think there are definite advantages to providing good GeoDRM and > security code. I "know" all data wants to be free but to be honest I'd > rather my medical records stayed confidential but that my doctors had > access to high quality secure open source code to analyse them. in which case you are handling your security to the wrong layer. you should setup your web server with a proper PKI and only allow access to those that have received a personnal certificate. Raphael Jacquot From ijturton at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 16:49:46 2006 From: ijturton at gmail.com (Ian Turton) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:49:46 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Protection vs. sharing In-Reply-To: <4407120C.3000407@esitcom.org> References: <44056D67.1090107@conterra.de> <20060301112040.GF23021@keybit.net> <4407120C.3000407@esitcom.org> Message-ID: On 3/2/06, Rapha?l Jacquot wrote: > > Ian Turton wrote: > > > > > So I think there are definite advantages to providing good GeoDRM and > > security code. I "know" all data wants to be free but to be honest I'd > > rather my medical records stayed confidential but that my doctors had > > access to high quality secure open source code to analyse them. > > in which case you are handling your security to the wrong layer. > you should setup your web server with a proper PKI and only allow access > to those that have received a personnal certificate. If there was an easy way to do this from within a GIS (e.g. Udig) and a webrowser java script client (e.g. mapbuilder) then I could do it that way. But as I understand the code from 52 North handles that sort of thing for me - I haven't had a chance to check thier stuff out yet but that was where it was heading last time I saw them talk about it. Ian -- Ian Turton http://www.geotools.org http://pennspace.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060302/4f21b204/attachment.html From ijturton at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 17:13:09 2006 From: ijturton at gmail.com (Ian Turton) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:13:09 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Protection vs. sharing Message-ID: On 3/2/06, J.J. Green wrote: > > Ian > > > I have to disagree here! There is no inherent conflict between open > > source code and digital rights management (DRM). If for example I'm > > working with confidential data ... > > No! > > DRM has NOTHING to do with security -- it is about > the deprecation of general purpose machines and their > replacement by domain-specific consoles controlled by > "trusted" authorities. Rubish! DRM allows me to place data on an open server but only allow the people I want to use it acess. I could build an entirely closed set of servers and clients that can only talk to each other but that's hard. Or maybe you know of some easy to use distributed geospatially aware security system I could use to protect this dataset with. Remember it has to work transparently for the user of both web clients and desktop GIS. DRM is the enemy not just of open source, not just of > our society, but of our very species! Man without control > of his tools is no more than a rat in a cage. You can have the tools - thats what sparked this debate the publication of a first set of tools to do this. Lets be honest with our selves some one is going to build GeoDRM systems would you rather it was done in the open where we can all watch and participate or would you rather that each national mapping agency and thier favourite vendor cobble something together in a backroom and impose it on us. Think how hard mapping would be in Europe if for example you had to an ESRI tool to draw maps of Britain and Germany but could only draw maps of France and the low counties using MapInfo and then you needed Cadcorp's viewer to add Luxemburg and Spain. Ian -- Ian Turton http://www.geotools.org http://pennspace.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060302/c7e461fa/attachment.html From sxpert at esitcom.org Thu Mar 2 17:17:52 2006 From: sxpert at esitcom.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Jacquot?=) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:17:52 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Protection vs. sharing In-Reply-To: References: <44056D67.1090107@conterra.de> <20060301112040.GF23021@keybit.net> <4407120C.3000407@esitcom.org> Message-ID: <44071AB0.7030709@esitcom.org> Ian Turton wrote: > If there was an easy way to do this from within a GIS (e.g. Udig) and a > webrowser java script client (e.g. mapbuilder) then I could do it that > way. But as I understand the code from 52 North handles that sort of > thing for me - I haven't had a chance to check thier stuff out yet but > that was where it was heading last time I saw them talk about it. it has nothing to do with the javascript itself. it's in the apache configuration. create a certificate authority, create a certificate for the apache server, configure it for ssl using that cert then, create as many user certs as necessary using that same CA, and configure the apache to check for the validity of the clients' certificate. it will refuse connection to anyone not presenting a valid certificate from the proper CA. From Martin.Spott at mgras.net Thu Mar 2 17:44:02 2006 From: Martin.Spott at mgras.net (Martin Spott) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Freegis-list] Protection vs. sharing References: Message-ID: "Ian Turton" wrote: > Rubish! DRM allows me to place data on an open server but only allow the > people I want to use it acess. I could build an entirely closed set of > servers and clients that can only talk to each other but that's hard. > > Or maybe you know of some easy to use distributed geospatially aware > security system I could use to protect this dataset with. "Security" in an IT environment is something totally different from what you're aiming at. Nowadays there's an inflationary use of the word "security", often in a completely unrelated context - like in this case, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jo at frot.org Thu Mar 2 21:21:10 2006 From: jo at frot.org (Jo Walsh) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:21:10 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] Protection vs. sharing (was: 52?North publishes first quality controlled stable release!) In-Reply-To: <1141312835.21519.13.camel@lax.shef.ac.uk> References: <44056D67.1090107@conterra.de> <20060301112040.GF23021@keybit.net> <1141312835.21519.13.camel@lax.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20060302202110.GF10415@vishnu.tridity.org> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 03:20:35PM +0000, J.J. Green wrote: > DRM is the enemy not just of open source, not just of > our society, but of our very species! Man without control > of his tools is no more than a rat in a cage. thank you for such elevating rhetoric! This is from the GPL3 draft, http://gplv3.fsf.org/draft [[ DRM is fundamentally incompatible with the purpose of the GPL, which is to protect users' freedom; therefore, the GPL ensures that the software it covers will neither be subject to, nor subject other works to, digital restrictions from which escape is forbidden. ]] I listened to some conversation about this at the discussion draft launch event a few weeks ago. It definitely filled my mind with dystopian anti-fantasies; regarding "digital rights" enforcement acting against our potential rights to re-use and redistribute public geodata; also about location sensing technologies being used to reinforce DRM regimes in new and disturbing ways ("DRM... spatial data... tripwires... geofences... oh dear.") http://www.opengeospatial.org/groups/?iid=129 <- GeoDRM http://mappinghacks.com/index.cgi/2006/01/17#spatial_drm <- paranoia http://publicgeodata.org/Analysis_Of_INSPIRE_Text <- "intellectual property rights" over state-collected spatial data in Europe. I'd like to find a new, more honest phrase to replace 'DRM' with, like where 'monopoly pricing' makes a good substitute for 'cost recovery'. jo From sgillies at frii.com Thu Mar 2 21:30:29 2006 From: sgillies at frii.com (Sean Gillies) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:30:29 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] Protection vs. sharing (was: 52?North publishes first quality controlled stable release!) In-Reply-To: <20060302202110.GF10415@vishnu.tridity.org> References: <44056D67.1090107@conterra.de> <20060301112040.GF23021@keybit.net> <1141312835.21519.13.camel@lax.shef.ac.uk> <20060302202110.GF10415@vishnu.tridity.org> Message-ID: <2E06AB1C-EA74-4DF0-8E33-E980B97D3993@frii.com> On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Jo Walsh wrote: > On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 03:20:35PM +0000, J.J. Green wrote: >> DRM is the enemy not just of open source, not just of >> our society, but of our very species! Man without control >> of his tools is no more than a rat in a cage. > > thank you for such elevating rhetoric! > > This is from the GPL3 draft, http://gplv3.fsf.org/draft > [[ DRM is fundamentally incompatible with the purpose of the GPL, > which > is to protect users' freedom; therefore, the GPL ensures that the > software it covers will neither be subject to, nor subject other works > to, digital restrictions from which escape is forbidden. ]] > > I listened to some conversation about this at the discussion draft > launch event a few weeks ago. It definitely filled my mind with > dystopian anti-fantasies; regarding "digital rights" enforcement > acting against our potential rights to re-use and redistribute public > geodata; also about location sensing technologies being used to > reinforce DRM regimes in new and disturbing ways ("DRM... spatial > data... tripwires... geofences... oh dear.") > > http://www.opengeospatial.org/groups/?iid=129 <- GeoDRM > http://mappinghacks.com/index.cgi/2006/01/17#spatial_drm <- paranoia > http://publicgeodata.org/Analysis_Of_INSPIRE_Text <- "intellectual > property rights" over state-collected spatial data in Europe. > > I'd like to find a new, more honest phrase to replace 'DRM' with, like > where 'monopoly pricing' makes a good substitute for 'cost recovery'. How about Digital Restrictions Management? cheers, Sean --- Sean Gillies sgillies frii com http://zcologia.com From webmaster at geomaticien.com Fri Mar 3 00:29:00 2006 From: webmaster at geomaticien.com (webmaster@geomaticien.com) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 00:29:00 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Protection vs. sharing In-Reply-To: <2E06AB1C-EA74-4DF0-8E33-E980B97D3993@frii.com> References: <44056D67.1090107@conterra.de> <20060302202110.GF10415@vishnu.tridity.org> <2E06AB1C-EA74-4DF0-8E33-E980B97D3993@frii.com> Message-ID: <200603030029.00797.webmaster@geomaticien.com> Le Jeudi 02 Mars 2006 21:30, Sean Gillies a ?crit?: > On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Jo Walsh wrote: [...] > > I'd like to find a new, more honest phrase to replace 'DRM' with, like > > where 'monopoly pricing' makes a good substitute for 'cost recovery'. > ___________ > How about Digital Restrictions Management? ___________ > cheers, > Sean I suggest : - "Digital Reich Monopoly" ;-) or - "Dinosaur reich Monopoly" ? Best regards, dF From jan at intevation.de Sat Mar 4 02:02:50 2006 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 02:02:50 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Geographic Foundation Class / remotesensing.org ? Message-ID: <20060304010250.GD29057@intevation.de> Hi, I am trying to find out what happened to the Geographic Foundation class http://freegis.org/database/viewobj?obj=255 which formerly was hosted at http://remotesensing.org/download/g.php3#GFC Can anyone on this list give a hint? remotesensing.org does not provide any contact or imprint, thats why I am asking here at FreeGIS mailing list. (in fact there is a contact link, but it results in an error) Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner: www.intevation.de/~jan | GISpatcher: www.gispatcher.de Kolab Konsortium : www.kolab-konsortium.de | Thuban : thuban.intevation.org Intevation GmbH : www.intevation.de | Kolab : www.kolab.org FreeGIS : www.freegis.org | GAV : www.grass-verein.de From ari.jolma at tkk.fi Mon Mar 6 15:55:59 2006 From: ari.jolma at tkk.fi (Ari Jolma) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:55:59 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] new release of the libral, Geo::Raster, Geo::Vector, Gtk2::Ex::Geo stack Message-ID: <440C4D7F.2080401@tkk.fi> I've created a new release of this software stack. The release is available at the Files section at http://sourceforge.net/projects/libral and at CPAN (only the Perl modules). This stack (I don't have a good name for this...) contains libral, which is a fast and easy to use raster algebra library, Geo::Raster is a Perl interface to libral and a layer class, Geo::Vector is a vector layer class, and Gtk2::Ex::Geo is a set of widgets, dialogs and glue code for developing geospatially aware applications using the modern Gtk2 GUI toolkit with Perl (using the extremely powerful Gtk2 modules). Goals of this software are to - combine GUI+CLI (Gtk2::Entry widget can be used to enter Perl commands) - be easily extandable with new layer types (I'm working on a raster timeseries class/layer for example) and add-ons - be a toolkit for application developers (I have student projects especially in my mind) - be an scripting/analysis environment (I'm looking for ways to link this to Grass, R spatial, and other tools) - support civil and environmental engineering (we have done some work on hydrological applications/research of libral) The release contains only source code, but it should be easy to configure and install on Linux and probably on other unix like OSs. Main non-standard requirements are GDAL/OGR (with Swig/Perl interface) and gtk2-perl. The stack contains a simple application for viewing, browsing, and analysing geospatial data. The closest counterpart is perhaps OpenEV, which offers somewhat similar functionality but uses Python. I'm especially looking for, besides a good name for this, people who would be interested in making a binary Windows release. Enjoy, Ari -- Prof. Ari Jolma Kartografia ja Geoinformatiikka / Cartography and Geoinformatics Teknillinen Korkeakoulu / Helsinki University of Technology tel: +358 9 451 3886 address: POBox 1200, 02015 TKK, Finland Email: ari.jolma at tkk.fi URL: http://www.tkk.fi/~jolma From andrea.antonello at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 11:28:50 2006 From: andrea.antonello at gmail.com (Andrea Antonello) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:28:50 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] JGrass 2.0 released Message-ID: <200603081128.50728.andrea.antonello@gmail.com> 05. March 2006 JGrass Development Team JGrass 2.0 Release Candidate 1 - Free Java Geographic Information System Today the JGrass Development team released the release candidate 1 for JGrass 2.0 - "Trento". JGrass is Free Software under GNU GPL, the sources of which can be found at https://sourceforge.net/projects/jgrass JGrass is maintained at: HydroloGIS, Italy, at http://www.hydrologis.com were all the information regarding the project is kept. It is a Java based GIS built on top of the open source GIS GRASS. JGRASS aims to bring GRASS to production environments as opposed to the research environment. The improved user interface and scripting facility will allow an application oriented user environment focused on the task to be performed. This new version brings enhancements and new features: - first vector support following the geotools approach - visualization of geometry and attributes - visualization of Shapefiles - visualization of Autocad dwg file (< 2000) - visualization of Postgis layers - vector data preview - first scripting engine - console enhancement with command completion - enhanced native GRASS command execution - r.proj - r.dem2contour - v.contour2dem - queries with d.what.vect - check on the used virtual machine and bugfixes: - finally bugfix for the 1/2 pixel shift in raster display - bugfix for missing mapscale - bugs in interactive modules that tent to freeze the gui solved - integer reading bug with novalues - bugfix for the refresh button freezing References JGrass (Java Geographic Resources Analysis and Support System) web site with software download: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=144497 -- ____________________________________________________________________________ HydroloGIS - Environmental Safety Modelling www.hydrologis.com Andrea Antonello Environmental Engineer mobile: +393288497722 "Let it be as much a great honour to take as to give learning, if you want to be called wise." Skuggsja' - The King's mirror - 1240 Reykjavik ____________________________________________________________________________ -- ____________________________________________________________________________ HydroloGIS - Environmental Safety Modelling www.hydrologis.com Andrea Antonello Environmental Engineer mobile: +393288497722 "Let it be as much a great honour to take as to give learning, if you want to be called wise." Skuggsja' - The King's mirror - 1240 Reykjavik ____________________________________________________________________________ -- ____________________________________________________________________________ HydroloGIS - Environmental Safety Modelling www.hydrologis.com Andrea Antonello Environmental Engineer mobile: +393288497722 "Let it be as much a great honour to take as to give learning, if you want to be called wise." Skuggsja' - The King's mirror - 1240 Reykjavik ____________________________________________________________________________ From geckonews at web.de Wed Mar 8 16:34:17 2006 From: geckonews at web.de (Gecko's News Adresse) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:34:17 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] 3CD or 3TX data Message-ID: <440EF979.6020102@web.de> Hej! I am completely new to the world of digital maps and geographical data. Currently I studying in Sweden and working on a study project, concerning movements of aircraft. As an input for the simulation program I have to use, I need topographical data. Therefore I am searching for a source of such data for Sweden, which is provided or can be converted into the 3CD or 3TX format. Does anybody of you know where I can find such data? I already searched at www.lantmateriet.se but I don't know if those maps are what I am searching for and they are quite expensive... So it would be really great if you could help me! Thanks in advance for your help. /Michael From ben at vterrain.org Wed Mar 8 21:37:31 2006 From: ben at vterrain.org (Ben Discoe) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:37:31 -1000 Subject: [Freegis-list] 3CD or 3TX data In-Reply-To: <440EF979.6020102@web.de> Message-ID: <05f001c642f0$2042c9b0$9b02a8c0@DellWork> Michael, The free software VTBuilder can read elevation data from any format and export it to 3TX. Therefore, you should not have to worry about file format, as you look for data. http://vterrain.org/Doc/VTBuilder/overview.html -Ben http://vterrain.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Gecko's News Adresse > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 5:34 AM > > As an input for > the simulation program I have to use, I need topographical > data. Therefore I am searching for a source of such data for > Sweden, which is provided or can be converted into the 3CD or > 3TX format. > Does anybody of you know where I can find such data? From geckonews at web.de Wed Mar 8 23:04:04 2006 From: geckonews at web.de (Michael) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:04:04 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] 3CD or 3TX data In-Reply-To: <05f001c642f0$2042c9b0$9b02a8c0@DellWork> References: <05f001c642f0$2042c9b0$9b02a8c0@DellWork> Message-ID: <440F54D4.3050005@web.de> Hej Ben! Thanks a lot for the link! Now I just need the data... /Michael P.S. Sorry for the quite weird sender. I usually don't send e-mail from this address but only receive. Now I changed it to something useful. -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Ben Discoe" An: freegis-list at intevation.de Betreff: Re:[Freegis-list] 3CD or 3TX data Datum: 08.03.2006 21:37 > Michael, > > The free software VTBuilder can read elevation data from any format and > export it to 3TX. Therefore, you should not have to worry about file > format, as you look for data. > http://vterrain.org/Doc/VTBuilder/overview.html > > -Ben > http://vterrain.org/ > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gecko's News Adresse >> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 5:34 AM >> >> As an input for >> the simulation program I have to use, I need topographical >> data. Therefore I am searching for a source of such data for >> Sweden, which is provided or can be converted into the 3CD or >> 3TX format. >> Does anybody of you know where I can find such data? > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > From emo.da at jumpy.it Thu Mar 9 09:51:32 2006 From: emo.da at jumpy.it (Davide Borelli) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:51:32 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] 3CD or 3TX data References: <05f001c642f0$2042c9b0$9b02a8c0@DellWork> <440F54D4.3050005@web.de> Message-ID: <003b01c64356$a9ef0460$14542697@naive> Hi! I suppose you're using FAA's INM, isn't it? I've just finished my bachelor thesis on it and HNM! For the data, you can try ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/Eurasia these are SRTM files and you can learn about them at http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/ I see there's not much Sweden data, so maybe, if you don't find what you need, you can use the "Europe" data at http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/seg/fliers/se-1104.shtml and obtain 3tx files from it! Write if you have problems Davide ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael To: freegis-list at intevation.de Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] 3CD or 3TX data Hej Ben! Thanks a lot for the link! Now I just need the data... /Michael P.S. Sorry for the quite weird sender. I usually don't send e-mail from this address but only receive. Now I changed it to something useful. -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Ben Discoe" An: freegis-list at intevation.de Betreff: Re:[Freegis-list] 3CD or 3TX data Datum: 08.03.2006 21:37 > Michael, > > The free software VTBuilder can read elevation data from any format and > export it to 3TX. Therefore, you should not have to worry about file > format, as you look for data. > http://vterrain.org/Doc/VTBuilder/overview.html > > -Ben > http://vterrain.org/ > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gecko's News Adresse >> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 5:34 AM >> >> As an input for >> the simulation program I have to use, I need topographical >> data. Therefore I am searching for a source of such data for >> Sweden, which is provided or can be converted into the 3CD or >> 3TX format. >> Does anybody of you know where I can find such data? > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > _______________________________________________ Freegis-list mailing list Freegis-list at intevation.de https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060309/a5b042cd/attachment.html From discoduro2 at terra.es Thu Mar 9 15:59:45 2006 From: discoduro2 at terra.es (Fernando =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gonz=E1lez_Cort=E9s?=) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:59:45 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] OrbisCAD 1.0, the community cartography editor has been released Message-ID: <1141916385.5168.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> OrbisCAD 1.0 has been released. OrbisCAD (http://orbiscad.sourceforge.net) is the community precise cartography editor which allows reading shapefiles, postGIS, DXF, DGN (7.0) and DWG (2000) and writing shapefiles and postGIS. It can access any vectorial format since it is built upon GDBMS (http://gdbms.sourceforge.net). OrbisCAD is a plugin driven application so it can be extended easily by writing plugins, creating editing tools, scripting and vectorial format drivers. Documentation about this can be found at the OrbisCAD site and there is a mailing list where all possible problems will be solved. It is planned to give OrbisCAD raster support through GDAL and increase the supported vectorial formats by integrating with OGR. From napoogle at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 17:37:36 2006 From: napoogle at gmail.com (Maurizio Napolitano) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:37:36 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Engauge Digitizer Message-ID: <49456d740603090837l2c47b45fm338f566dca2ec2ed@mail.gmail.com> Direct freshmeat http://freshmeat.net/projects/engauge/ Engauge Digitizer is digitizing software that converts an image showing a graph or map into numbers. The image file can come from a scanner, digital camera, or screenshot. The numbers can be read on the screen, and written or copied to a spreadsheet. Highlights for beginners include an intuitive interface and extensive context-sensitive documentation. Highlights for experts include compensation for image distortion, cartesian and polar coordinates, linear and logarithmic coordinates, automatic scanning, graphical previews, and browser help. http://digitizer.sourceforge.net/ From Silke.Reimer at intevation.de Fri Mar 10 11:00:36 2006 From: Silke.Reimer at intevation.de (Silke Reimer) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:00:36 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] OrbisCAD 1.0, the community cartography editor has been released In-Reply-To: <1141916385.5168.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1141916385.5168.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060310100036.GW4318@intevation.de> Hi Fernando, On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 03:59:45PM +0100, Fernando Gonz?lez Cort?s wrote: > OrbisCAD 1.0 has been released. OrbisCAD > (http://orbiscad.sourceforge.net) is the community precise cartography > editor which allows reading shapefiles, postGIS, DXF, DGN (7.0) and DWG > (2000) and writing shapefiles and postGIS. It can access any vectorial > format since it is built upon GDBMS (http://gdbms.sourceforge.net). > > OrbisCAD is a plugin driven application so it can be extended easily by > writing plugins, creating editing tools, scripting and vectorial format > drivers. Documentation about this can be found at the OrbisCAD site and > there is a mailing list where all possible problems will be solved. > > It is planned to give OrbisCAD raster support through GDAL and increase > the supported vectorial formats by integrating with OGR. Thanks for notification about OrbisCAD. I have added it to FreeGIS.org. Please let me now when you think something is wrong with the entry. It would be nice by the way to have a more prominent link to download the sourcecode. I only found it directly on the sourceforge download section but not linked on the download section of your website. Many greetings, Silke -- Silke Reimer : www.intevation.de/~silke | GISpatcher: www.gispatcher.de Intevation GmbH: www.intevation.de | Thuban : thuban.intevation.org Georgstr.4 : 49074 Osnabr?ck | FreeGIS : www.freegis.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060310/0c1c5a15/attachment.bin From hitchcock at conterra.de Fri Mar 10 12:40:54 2006 From: hitchcock at conterra.de (Ann Hitchcock) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:40:54 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] protection vs. sharing Message-ID: <441165C6.7040905@conterra.de> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060310/86ee2d37/attachment.html From hitchcock at conterra.de Fri Mar 10 12:56:23 2006 From: hitchcock at conterra.de (Ann Hitchcock) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:56:23 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] =?iso-8859-1?q?52=B0North_publishes_quality_assure?= =?iso-8859-1?q?d_Sensor_Observation_Service_v_2!?= Message-ID: <44116967.2030305@conterra.de> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060310/269cbadb/attachment.html From emo.da at jumpy.it Fri Mar 10 15:05:04 2006 From: emo.da at jumpy.it (Davide Borelli) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:05:04 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] 3CD or 3TX data Message-ID: <009601c6444b$a1893e80$3a842c97@naive> Hello! I think INM gives an overflow error 'cause 15 3tx files are really too many! For my study I used 2 of them, and in INM's example study there's only one of them! As you can see in INM's manual, a .3tx file contains terrain elevations covering a one-by-one degree area. Below there's a description of the .3tx format. The .3tx ASCII text format: Lat Long Elevation Elevation Elevation ...etc... where -Lat is the latitude of SW corner (integer degrees) -Long is the longitude of SW corner (integer degrees) -elevation is terrain elevation MSL (integer meters) The first line in the file defines the southwest corner of the one-by-one degree area. North latitude and east longitude are positive integers; south latitude and west longitude are negative integers. The SW corner must be on integer degrees. There must be exactly 1201*1201=1442401 lines following the first line. Each line contains one number - the elevation, in integer meters, of the terrain above mean sea level. The elevation of the SW corner is the first integer, the elevation that is 3 arc-seconds to the north is the next integer, and so on until the top edge (integer degree latitude) is reached. Then move 3 arc-seconds to the east, start at the bottom edge, put in another 1201 elevations while moving north, and so on until the file is finished. The binary format (.3cd) is sold by Micropath for U.S. regions; non U.S. users must manually write their .3tx ASCII text file, which INM software reads and converts in a .3cd binary one, where the name is given by the Lat/Long specified at the first line of the .3tx file. After that, INM converts ALSO the .3cd file into a "terrain.bin" one, so with all these conversions is easy to have an overflow! One important thing is to export in the right way filling unknown areas in the elevation data, to do so follow these steps (I used the "Europe" data at http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/seg/fliers/se-1104.shtml): -drag Europe.hdr in VTBuilder window; -Click in "Area Tool"--> "Numeric values" and fill "Origin and Size" with, for example (12,00000000, 57,00000000), (1,00000000, 1,00000000), then click "ok" -Go to "area tool"-->"Merge & Resample Elevation", select "Output"-->"To File" and give as name N57E012 and desktop as destination folder; then put in "Sampling"-->Grid Size" put 1201 in both fields and press again "ok"; you'll find on the desktop two files: N57E012.bt and N57E012.prj -Close VTBuilder; -open it again and drag inside the windowi N57E012.bt; -Click on "Elevation"-->"Fill in Unknown Areas" (this is very important!) -At last: "Elevation"-->Export to..."--> 3TX Now try to import this file in INM, then do the same with every 3tx you need, changing the coordinates, of course! INM should give no problems this way (I hope...!). Bye Davide ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael To: Davide Borelli Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] 3CD or 3TX data Hej Davide! Thanks for the links, I downloaded some files covering the surrounding of my airport. You were right about FAA's INM that's exactly the tool I am working with! And you said I could ask you if I got any questions... In fact I got some. I have a total of 15 3TX files generated with VTBuilder (http://vterrain.org/Doc/VTBuilder/overview.html) from the downloaded data and wanted to import them into my INM study. I just put them into a directory and imported them, but doing it this way all parts will be in the same small rectangle and I got 15 layers one on the other. Then I tried to enlarge the rectangle, according to the dimensions I got. 3 rows with 5 squares each and each tile one by one degree gives a rectangle of about 286km x 337km, with a offset for the lower left corner according to my coordinate references. However doing it like this INM always crashes due to an overflow... Do you got any idea what I am doing wrong or how to do it??? I would be very happy about any information you can give me. Do you perhaps know some tutorials or workshops which are available on the web for INM? I didn't find anything useful... Thanks in advance! Cheers and Greetings from Stockholm! /Michael -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Davide Borelli" An: freegis-list at intevation.de Betreff: Re:[Freegis-list] 3CD or 3TX data Datum: 09.03.2006 09:51 > Hi! > I suppose you're using FAA's INM, isn't it? > I've just finished my bachelor thesis on it and HNM! > For the data, you can try ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/Eurasia > these are SRTM files and you can learn about them at > http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/ > I see there's not much Sweden data, so maybe, if you don't find what you > need, you can use the "Europe" data at > http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/seg/fliers/se-1104.shtml and obtain 3tx files > from it! > > Write if you have problems > Davide > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Michael > *To:* freegis-list at intevation.de > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:04 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Freegis-list] 3CD or 3TX data > > Hej Ben! > > Thanks a lot for the link! Now I just need the data... > > /Michael > > P.S. > Sorry for the quite weird sender. I usually don't send e-mail from > this address but only receive. Now I changed it to something useful. > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Von: "Ben Discoe" > > An: freegis-list at intevation.de > Betreff: Re:[Freegis-list] 3CD or 3TX data > Datum: 08.03.2006 21:37 > > > > Michael, > > > > The free software VTBuilder can read elevation data from any > format and > > export it to 3TX. Therefore, you should not have to worry about file > > format, as you look for data. > > http://vterrain.org/Doc/VTBuilder/overview.html > > > > -Ben > > http://vterrain.org/ > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Gecko's News Adresse > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 5:34 AM > >> > >> As an input for > >> the simulation program I have to use, I need topographical > >> data. 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URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060310/46702097/attachment.html From jo at frot.org Tue Mar 14 00:46:08 2006 From: jo at frot.org (Jo Walsh) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:46:08 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] protection vs. sharing Message-ID: <20060313234608.GG5170@vishnu.tridity.org> I managed to miss this mail from Ann at 52North due to HTML mail formatting issues and lose the thread details, but i wanted to offer a response to it. http://intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060310/86ee2d37/attachment.html > Our software does in fact consume and produce data, but this > is not restricted to state-collected geospatial data... > ... It is up to the user of our software to do what > he wants to do with our software according to the GPL rights. > Of course it is legitimate and understandable to demand that public > data be free of charge. But we are not only dealing with public data > in Europe, there is a great deal of data produced by companies and even > private persons. Agreed, there is a deep ecology of geodata of which publically-funded information is only a part (though a part which would be much more whole, if public information was more openly available on the geospatial web). As INSPIRE is only legislating over what rights the public will have to discover and access geodata, that is the present narrow focus of publicgeodata.org . We can look at geodata collection and distribution holistically, as part of a mixed social economy; but the INSPIRE decision making track is not doing that yet. > As far as INSPIRE is concerned, criticism is legitimate of course. > However, there is – at least in our opinion – a strong > need to establish a Trans-European/Europe-wide standardized network for > environmental data. I would not attempt to deny this, but i would deny that INSPIRE, in its current form, is going to provide it. Even the European Commission is unhappy with the new emphasis on IP rights restricting access to geodata: [[ the common position could have the effect of reducing rather than increasing the availability of spatial data. ... The text of the common position leaves too much scope for data providers to refuse to give public access to their data and share it with other authorities. ]] http://www.ec-gis.org/inspire/proposal/communication_inspire.pdf http://publicgeodata.org/Analysis_Of_Second_Reading_Amendments provides a longer breakdown of the new clauses restricting access and distribution, inserting several IP related get-out clauses that will exempt data holders even from having to divulge the existence of their data or submit metadata to search services, through INSPIRE. I have heard that a lot of brilliant supporting work has been done on building a framework for INSPIRE. The "implementing rules" that will define actual standards and protocols that should be used to describe spatial and environmental data, are not described in the legislation, nor open to a public process of participation. There is an incredible body of expertise, particularly here and on the OpenSDI list, in the pragmatics of geodata description, management and maintenance. To make best use of that expertise, this process needs to be held in the open. There is already a "public access to environmental information" directive (2003/04/EC) which is non-technical, non-framework oriented. But the shell of INSPIRE is nontechnical, too. The framework for data-sharing that will be legislated into place won't be, as we might think, "implement WMS and WFS interfaces and OGC standards", but will be more like, "annotate your data with Dublin Core and ISO 19915". As the guarantee of free public viewing of data was removed from INSPIRE by the Council, and there is no obligation to provide *access to metadata* about data in which the state agency has a commercial interest, this isn't going to promote any sharing or interoperability of data. http://egip.jrc.it/200602/1561.html is a recent response i wrote setting out the reasons for falling back to calling for a rejection of INSPIRE at this point. There is a lot more that can be done to help, without calling for outright rejection of the whole Directive; see http://publicgeodata.org/Arguments as well as the Analysis link above, and http://publicgeodata.org/Contact_ENVI_Committee_Members to talk to them about the negative impact of the IP and rights clauses. > There is an increasing demand for higher quality > data, i.e. with greater precision/accuracy and up-to-date data. Update > and quality management are important factors for data maintenance, but > also create considerable operating expenses. In the days of > governmental cutbacks, land surveying offices and town councils are > not being financed 100% anymore and are being forced to contemplate > business management issues. They will need to be increasingly creative > about acquiring funding for their data. I typically see figures of 40%-50% of data sales by national mapping agencies to other government funded services. Plus NMAs do receive a necessary public subsidy for mapping of "uneconomic areas". The concerns in INSPIRE have been centered on the the needs of the big national agencies, not of the many holders and potential contributors of geodata (particularly local level government) and a lot of stakeholders are unhappy about that. When local government is racked with data licensing costs, they start to slip into "cost-recovery" mode too. This is a *huge* question going right into, fundamentally, how public works are funded and what constitutes a public good. Roads and street furniture are generally considered a public good. There is an incentive to maintain road networks at subsidy, because they allow other goods to be distributed more cheaply, more easily. They are the arteries in a physical distribution network which allows for the passage of publically funded local services (rubbish collection, bus systems) as much as commercial goods and passenger transport. And i would class a geodata infrastructure in the same way as a road infrastructure. It is a good to which access should not be prevented, which no use of prevents other use of. It is an infrastructure which connects together other services and makes them more usable. An open geodata infrastructure would allow many small companies to enter the market for geodata updates and maintenance. It would have massive indirect effects in job creation, in value creation which would be of personal benefit to everyone working on more accessible, more participatory open source GIS tools and standards. I see more openstreetmap-nature projects appearing. If we could reach through to the information collected on our behalf by government, how much code time energy could be directed into building really useful tools? http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php?id=gis:strade&s=gis > We see open source pragmatically and not merely as a question of > belief. We do not perceive a conflict between free software and any > kind of data. We search for pragmatic solutions - we build bridges. > Nothing in the world is black or white, but rather grey nuances. Speaking from myself, i find the "pragmatic position" hugely laudable. In order to make better decisions, i want to consider all the options i have available, as completely as possible. The INSPIRE process has been predicated on a narrow view of "cost-recovery" and that dictates the terms in which it talks, and by which we must react; but there is a growing body of research work indicating that monopoly pricing of public information is a decision that suppresses economic activity. I think that open source, open standards and open data are co-dependent. This isn't stating that free software must be using free data; it's stating that use of free software, and open protocols, tends towards freer data, and with freer data, the incentive to use and promote freer software is better. There are so many assumptions in government IT policy in general which are based on a proprietary stance, but this is starting to change. US and Canadian government agencies at all levels have been big users and supporters of open source geospatial software; this has been the best and cheapest way to distribute data freely; this can be viewed as an attitude percolating through the whole cultural complex. One cannot just accept a situation in which one sees, "agency X is having its funding cut again this year, because the value of the public service is produces is not immediately visible or directly quantifiable", to "agency X should start charging users more for access to its data". Decisions like this, that are made without taking into account the nested complex of cultural forces, can be really counterproductive for value creation: [[ The United States Geological Survey (USGS) in the early 1980s attempted to move towards cost recovery by increasing prices for data products including maps. As a result, demand dropped so precipitously that the USGS was forced to quickly reduce prices to recapture the previous market. After reducing the charges to previous levels, sales took three years to return to their earlier level. ]] http://www.primet.org/documents/Weiss%20-%20Borders%20in%20Cyberspace.htm There isn't one licensing or distribution model that fits all needs, but there is a clear and wide set of choices, and many of them are just not being considered in the debate that has framed INSPIRE. Richard Fairhurst wrote an interesting treatment recently of problems with a ShareAlike clause for smaller, ground-up, collaborative mapping projects. http://www.systemed.net/blog/entry060311122655.html (perhaps the whole licensing conversation is better left out in the blogosphere ;) ) I seem to have misplaced my 'rant mode off' button, sorry about that. jo From Silke.Reimer at intevation.de Tue Mar 14 16:19:57 2006 From: Silke.Reimer at intevation.de (Silke Reimer) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:19:57 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Fedora Core 5 packages Message-ID: <20060314151957.GK17664@intevation.de> Hallo! As some of you might already have seen on osgeo-discuss I have just finished a few RPM-packages for Fedora Core 5. I have placed them on our FTP-Server and they will be available through the FreeGIS-mirror [1] on gwdg.de probably tomorrow. The following packages have been packaged and basically tested: gdal: version 1.3.1. I made a review request for gdal on Fedora Extra. It can be followed on [2]. grass: version 6.0.2 gdalgrass: grass Plugin for gdal, version 1.3.1 postgis: 1.1.1 I made a review request for gdal on Fedora Extra. It can be followed on [3]. qgis: 0.7.4 Please give those packages a try and sent me any comments. I am especially interested if you experience any problems in working with the gdalgrass-plugin. It seems to work for me but I might have overseen something. The same holds for the more sophisticated modules in grass. It might be useful to sent a private copy of your answers to me since I don't read all lists on a daily base. Many greetings, Silke [1] http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/misc/freegis/intevation/freegis/fedora/5/ [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=168719 [3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=171040 -- Silke Reimer : www.intevation.de/~silke | GISpatcher: www.gispatcher.de Intevation GmbH: www.intevation.de | Thuban : thuban.intevation.org Georgstr.4 : 49074 Osnabr?ck | FreeGIS : www.freegis.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I make three users for test: inv1 (password equals),inv2 and inv3. You only can enter to the web page if nobody are logged yet with this user. I must sign the applet and all the libraries that use in order to execute the applet, the internet explorer ask you to allow the execution. It requeries Java 1.5 and JAI to run. The first access is very very slow because all the libraries must be loaded, and I have only 150Kbytes upstream conection. You can move your user into the map, and talk with other users that are logged. The cartography is loaded/unloaded dinamic when you move your user.... All you can see in this page is made with free tools and apis: Geotoos2,Geoserver,Postgis,Postgresql,Tomcat,OpenJms,Jump F.Zuriaga fzuriaga at gmail.com From fzuriaga at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 11:18:37 2006 From: fzuriaga at gmail.com (Fernando Zuriaga) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:18:37 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Free-Gis proyect: Geotools+Geoserver+Postgis Message-ID: <1e68b8140603150218r158cb15k4e247de8088463f2@mail.gmail.com> Hi!, I am working (long time ago) in a web page that integrate Geotools (inside an applet),Geoserver WFS and Postgis database. I want to create a virtual GIS village that is a copy of the real village, using a GIS as a background engine. The work is still in progress (about 5%), but you can see a small part of the project in the following page: http://ferzurcal.homelinux.com . I make three users for test: inv1 (password equals),inv2 and inv3. You only can enter to the web page if nobody are logged yet with this user. I must sign the applet and all the libraries that use in order to execute the applet, the internet explorer ask you to allow the execution. It requeries Java 1.5 and JAI to run. The first access is very very slow because all the libraries must be loaded, and I have only 150Kbytes upstream conection. You can move your user into the map, and talk with other users that are logged. The cartography is loaded/unloaded dinamic when you move your user.... All you can see in this page is made with free tools and apis: Geotoos2,Geoserver,Postgis,Postgresql,Tomcat,OpenJms,Jump F.Zuriaga fzuriaga at gmail.com From cavallini at faunalia.it Thu Mar 16 17:45:14 2006 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:45:14 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] for Italian freegissers Message-ID: <200603161745.19321.cavallini@faunalia.it> [sorry for crossposting, and for bothering non-Italian freegis users] Hi all. Most of you is aware of this, but I realized not everybody. Since last December, the Italian freeGIS community has a home: http://www.gfoss.it/ and an associated mailing list: http://www.faunalia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gfoss I would invite all Italian-speaking people to join us - several interesting projects are underway! All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From giovand at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 18:55:45 2006 From: giovand at gmail.com (Cristiano Giovando) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:55:45 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] for Italian freegissers In-Reply-To: <200603161745.19321.cavallini@faunalia.it> References: <200603161745.19321.cavallini@faunalia.it> Message-ID: <9c115b5f0603160955t3d4c4cd7j856f745603d457db@mail.gmail.com> Ciao a tutti, aggiungendo a quanto passato da Paolo, vi segnalo altre due iniziative appena nate: http://www.freegis-italia.org (portale collaborativo di risorse GI&GIS) e http://gfoss.ominiverdi.org (wiki di discussione e contenitore di idee e proposte) Entrambe sono ancora in fase sperimentale, ma invito tutti a partecipare fin da ora. -C On 3/16/06, Paolo Cavallini wrote: > > [sorry for crossposting, and for bothering non-Italian freegis users] > Hi all. > Most of you is aware of this, but I realized not everybody. > Since last December, the Italian freeGIS community has a home: > http://www.gfoss.it/ > and an associated mailing list: > http://www.faunalia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gfoss > I would invite all Italian-speaking people to join us - several > interesting > projects are underway! > All the best. > -- > Paolo Cavallini > email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it > www.faunalia.it > Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > -- Cristiano Giovando Department of Geography San Diego State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060316/55a5f69f/attachment.html From sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 18:34:15 2006 From: sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com (Sunburned Surveyor) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:34:15 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] Geospatial Geometry Message-ID: <71097ae20603210934q2d685f21l7615b85e21208295@mail.gmail.com> I have started a google group about geometry as it is used in geospatial applications. You can find it here: http://groups.google.com/group/GeospatialGeometry/ I have started the first couple of topics. The Sunburned Surveyor P.S. - I apologize if you get this message through more than one mailing list. From bh at udev.org Fri Mar 24 08:19:16 2006 From: bh at udev.org (Benjamin Henrion) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:19:16 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Freegis support for PublicGeoData campaign? Message-ID: <20060324071916.GA19738@localhost> Dear list, I have been suprised to do not see any banner on freegis.org to support the publiceodata campaign (http://publicgeodata.org). It would be nice if the manaer could send an email to registered projects, so that they display a banner for the petition: http://publicgeodata.org/Banners Or even submit a testimony. -- Benjamin Henrion http://bh.udev.org <<< INSPIRE Directive will close >>> <<< Public access to State-collected Geographic Data >>> <<< All over Europe >>> <<< http://publicgeodata.org >>> From cavallini at faunalia.it Fri Mar 24 14:56:04 2006 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:56:04 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] geodb>registered? Message-ID: <200603241456.06287.cavallini@faunalia.it> Hi all. I have recently pointed to a doc: http://www.etap.com/downloads/factsheets/gis.pdf where you can find: "ESRI Geodatabase is a registered trademark". My interpretation is that it applies to "ESRI Geodatabase" term as a whole, but a different interpretation would be that Geodatabase is a registered word. In this second case, we should at all avoid it. Does anybody have a hint on this? All the best. pc -- Paolo Cavallini email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From mueller at lat-lon.de Fri Mar 24 17:38:57 2006 From: mueller at lat-lon.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Markus_M=FCller?=) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:38:57 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] deegree2 is out Message-ID: <442420A1.5070904@lat-lon.de> Dear freegisers, deegree2 is now available via the new deegree web-pages at http://www.deegree.org/ (please clear your browser cache if you still get the old page). Access to deegree2 is possible via public CVS and you'll also find a nightly build on these new pages. regards Markus -- Dr. Markus M?ller l a t / l o n GmbH (Hamburg) Gluckstr. 53a 22081 Hamburg, Germany phone ++49 +177 2470742 fax ++49 +228 18496-29 http://www.lat-lon.de http://www.deegree.org From jan at intevation.de Fri Mar 24 20:15:49 2006 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:15:49 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Freegis support for PublicGeoData campaign? In-Reply-To: <20060324071916.GA19738@localhost> References: <20060324071916.GA19738@localhost> Message-ID: <20060324191549.GA17472@intevation.de> Hello Benjamin, On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 08:19:16AM +0100, Benjamin Henrion wrote: > I have been suprised to do not see any banner on freegis.org to support > the publiceodata campaign (http://publicgeodata.org). thanks for the reminder. Its there now. Thanks to you and to the others of the petition team for your great engagement! Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner: www.intevation.de/~jan | GISpatcher: www.gispatcher.de Kolab Konsortium : www.kolab-konsortium.de | Thuban : thuban.intevation.org Intevation GmbH : www.intevation.de | Kolab : www.kolab.org FreeGIS : www.freegis.org | GAV : www.grass-verein.de From h-j.luecking at t-online.de Fri Mar 24 21:29:02 2006 From: h-j.luecking at t-online.de (Heinz) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:29:02 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Freegis support for PublicGeoData campaign? In-Reply-To: <20060324071916.GA19738@localhost> References: <20060324071916.GA19738@localhost> Message-ID: Benjamin Henrion schrieb: > Dear list, > > I have been suprised to do not see any banner on freegis.org to support > the publiceodata campaign (http://publicgeodata.org). > > It would be nice if the manaer could send an email to registered > projects, so that they display a banner for the petition: > > http://publicgeodata.org/Banners > > Or even submit a testimony. > Hey Benjamin On http://publicgeodata.org/Home_de / http://publicgeodata.org/Home you are writing on INSPIRE "welche vorsieht die gesammelten geographischen Daten der nationen Agenturen ganz Europas sollen bei den Agenturen verbleiben und nicht frei zug?nglich f?r die ?ffentlickeit sein." "Geographic Data collected by National Mapping Agencies all over Europe should be owned by such agencies and not by the Public." Could you please tell me, were an INPIRE directive wants no free geodata. greetings, heinz From bh at udev.org Fri Mar 24 21:43:50 2006 From: bh at udev.org (Benjamin Henrion) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:43:50 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Freegis support for PublicGeoData campaign? In-Reply-To: References: <20060324071916.GA19738@localhost> Message-ID: <20060324204350.GG19738@localhost> Heinz [060324]: > Benjamin Henrion schrieb: > > Dear list, > > > > I have been suprised to do not see any banner on freegis.org to support > > the publiceodata campaign (http://publicgeodata.org). > > > > It would be nice if the manaer could send an email to registered > > projects, so that they display a banner for the petition: > > > > http://publicgeodata.org/Banners > > > > Or even submit a testimony. > > > > Hey Benjamin > > On http://publicgeodata.org/Home_de / http://publicgeodata.org/Home you > are writing on INSPIRE > > "welche vorsieht die gesammelten geographischen Daten der nationen > Agenturen ganz Europas sollen bei den Agenturen verbleiben und nicht > frei zug?nglich f?r die ?ffentlickeit sein." > > "Geographic Data collected by National Mapping Agencies all over Europe > should be owned by such agencies and not by the Public." > > Could you please tell me, were an INPIRE directive wants no free geodata. See: http://www.publicgeodata.org/Analysis_Of_INSPIRE_Text Council Common Position forbids reuse of state collected geo data. -- Benjamin Henrion http://bh.udev.org <<< INSPIRE Directive will close >>> <<< Public access to State-collected Geographic Data >>> <<< All over Europe >>> <<< http://publicgeodata.org >>> From carrera_marrod at gva.es Wed Mar 29 14:23:41 2006 From: carrera_marrod at gva.es (Mario Carrera) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:23:41 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] New version of gvSIG project now available: gvSIG 0.6 (stable) Message-ID: <1143635021.442a7c4de16fc@webmail.gva.es> Hello. The gvSIG team is proud to announce that the new release, gvSIG 0.6, is available for the community (http://www.gvsig.gva.es). gvSIG, the free GNU/GPL-licensed Geographic Information System of the Generalitat Valenciana (Valencian Government), is a tool oriented to the handle geographic information that can access to the most usual vector and raster formats, from either local or remote (Internet) sources. It is available in the downloads section of the project's web page (http://www.gvsig.gva.es/ingles/descargasw/descarga_software.htm) and includes the new features listed bellow: Web Services (OGC) - The clients of two new web services are integrated: o Catalogue Service: In a Spatial Data Infrastructure, this is a basic service that helps to search and find cartographic data o Nomenclature Service (Gazetteer): Helps to localise positions on the basis of toponymy and geographic names - Several features of the WMS client have been improved: o More user-friendly interface o Complete information about every layer of the WMS server o Style formatting o Support of temporal dimensions o Possibility to configure the intern order of the layer rendering process o Layers of the table of contents are manageable from the context menu Supported data formats: - The feature ?Export to raster? supports two new data formats: o jpeg (georeferenced) o jpeg2000 (georeferenced) Raster layers: - The pansharpening tool helps to increase the resolution of satellite images, if they are panchromatic. Type of data sources: - It is possible to create layers on the basis of a table that contains coordinates. The resulting layer will contain a point for every pair of coordinates. Furthermore, any change of the table coordinates will modify automatically the position of the points. Additionally, the Gallego language has been added to the application's interface following one of the project's priorities: the internationalization. Cheers. Mario Carrera Rodr?guez Grupo SIG-CAD / gvSIG Servicio de Organizaci?n e Inform?tica Conselleria d'Infraestructures i Transport Generalitat Valenciana Valencia (Espa?a) From jmckenna at dmsolutions.ca Thu Mar 30 21:39:37 2006 From: jmckenna at dmsolutions.ca (Jeff McKenna) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:39:37 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] ANNOUNCE: Free and Open Source Software for Geoinformatics Conference Message-ID: <442C33F9.50103@dmsolutions.ca> Please see below for the full announcement. Building on the excitement created from the past 2 Open Source Geospatial events, and joining with the GRASS users conference, this should be quite an event. jeff ****** FOSS4G2006, the international conference addressing geospatial data technologies developed by or of relevance to the Open Source community, will be held September 12-15th, 2006 in Lausanne, Switzerland. The conference will bring together all of the Free and Open Source Software for Geoinformatics (FOSS4G) communities. The conference incorporates the OSGIS Conference, Mapserver User Meeting, GRASS Users Conference, Java oriented FOSS4G and EOGEO Workshops with the intent to be broadly inclusive. Lausanne, Switzerland will host the conference, making it the first time many of these groups will meet in Europe. A committee is working to design a program with elements that will interest participants from the novice to the expert. The conference strives to build on the successes and enthusiasm generated by previous, related meetings. Important dates to note (dates are approximate and subject to change): April 15, 2006 Workshop submission deadline June 30, 2006 Presentation submission deadline April 15, 2006 Final registration opening (pre-registration is open) June 30, 2006 Early registration deadline We strongly encourage making your room reservation early as September is still high season for tourism in Lausanne. For more information, registration and/or submit a contribution, please visit the conference website at http://www.foss4g2006.org Take advantage of the opportunity FOSS4G2006 offers to network with fellow geospatial data professionals, renewing old acquaintances and making new ones. Hope to see you there! -- Jeff McKenna DM Solutions Group Inc. http://www.dmsolutions.ca From h-j.luecking at ggs-bhv.de Fri Mar 31 08:54:15 2006 From: h-j.luecking at ggs-bhv.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Heinz-Josef_L=FCcking?=) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:54:15 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Wich Linux-Dist. is the best supported one? Message-ID: I'm planing to install Linux. Wich Linux-distribution is the best supported one? OpenSuse, Fedora, Debian, ... I want to use: GRASS, UMN-Mapserver, PostgreSQL, MySQL, Apache, ..., mostly the known ones. Thx, Heinz From jan at intevation.de Fri Mar 31 12:09:35 2006 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:09:35 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Wich Linux-Dist. is the best supported one? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060331100935.GC12132@intevation.de> On Fri, Mar 31, 2006 at 08:54:15AM +0200, Heinz-Josef L?cking wrote: > I'm planing to install Linux. > > Wich Linux-distribution is the best supported one? OpenSuse, Fedora, > Debian, ... ah well, this could easily end up in a long thread ;-) > I want to use: GRASS, UMN-Mapserver, PostgreSQL, MySQL, Apache, ..., > mostly the known ones. I'd say that basically all major GNU/Linux Distributions are OK to run GRASS, MapServer and other GIS on. PostgreSQL, MySQL and Apache is usually shipped with the distributions. GRASS/MapServer: there are some binary packages for a number of distributions out there, but they are usually a bit behind. So you should compile on your own to be updatodate. Compiling is no problem on any of these distributions. However, if you are having enterprise perspective behind, other aspects play a role and the selection of the distribution is not as easy anymore. The actual requirements are important in this case. Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner: www.intevation.de/~jan | GISpatcher: www.gispatcher.de Kolab Konsortium : www.kolab-konsortium.de | Thuban : thuban.intevation.org Intevation GmbH : www.intevation.de | Kolab : www.kolab.org FreeGIS : www.freegis.org | GAV : www.grass-verein.de From cavallini at faunalia.it Fri Mar 31 16:30:23 2006 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:30:23 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] IP access map Message-ID: <200603311630.25449.cavallini@faunalia.it> Hi all. Is there anybody knowing of a foss solution equivalent to: http://clustrmaps.com/index.htm ? All the best. pc -- Paolo Cavallini email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From adoyle at eogeo.org Fri Mar 31 16:37:09 2006 From: adoyle at eogeo.org (Allan Doyle) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:37:09 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] IP access map In-Reply-To: <200603311630.25449.cavallini@faunalia.it> References: <200603311630.25449.cavallini@faunalia.it> Message-ID: <84D058E6-B5F8-465B-8802-0FA994624698@eogeo.org> On Mar 31, 2006, at 09:30, Paolo Cavallini wrote: > Hi all. > Is there anybody knowing of a foss solution equivalent to: > http://clustrmaps.com/index.htm I think you might be able to do this with WorldKit (http:// worldkit.org/) coupled with an IP location service. I remember seeing some free-ish services. Googling for "IP Location" shows a large number of hits, the trick is to find the good ones... Allan -- Allan Doyle +1.781.433.2695 adoyle at eogeo.org From juergen.mischker at boku.ac.at Fri Mar 31 08:57:14 2006 From: juergen.mischker at boku.ac.at (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen=20Mischker?=) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:57:14 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] mapcalculator Message-ID: Hi list - I am looking for toolkit (like geotools) to get basic (+ and -) "mapcalculator" function. I am thankfull for all hints. at that stage the programming language doesn't matter. Cheers J?rgen