From anson at treebay.org Mon Jan 2 19:42:07 2006 From: anson at treebay.org (anson@treebay.org) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:42:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Freegis-list] Automated document geotagging Message-ID: <3278.71.2.168.100.1136227327.squirrel@www.treebay.org> Hi All, Happy new year. The Marshall Foundation library and archives wants to geo-tag several thousand documents from the 1930's-1950's, from North Africa to Europe and the Middle East. All documents are to be released to the public on a new server platform. Are there any softwares that support a more automated solution such as a "best guess" that could be altered perhaps? Wordpress has a plugin for smart tags that are able to cross reference local documents. We'd like to use something like the Fuzzy Gazetteer in the same manner. I greatly appreciate your response and suggestions. We'd prefer open source solutions greatly over proprietary systems, Thank you, Anson Parker Technical consultant to the Marshall Foundation From bernhard at intevation.de Mon Jan 2 20:16:56 2006 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:16:56 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] NMapBrowser is not an open source In-Reply-To: <20051219105604.GI13606@keybit.net> References: <250a9eb60512161509r2c8856bge74abac1ec9b967c@mail.gmail.com> <20051219105604.GI13606@keybit.net> Message-ID: <20060102191656.GG18049@intevation.de> Paul, thanks for spotting this. I can confirm that NMapbrowser only seems to be a thin wrapper around a proprietary gis component. The wrapper itself seems to be Free Software, but it is not really useful, so I do not think it qualifies for a listing. Am 19. Dec 2005 um 11:56:04 schrieb strk: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 08:09:47AM +0900, Paul Selormey wrote: > > Please remove the NMapBrowser from the site. It is not an open source. > > The so-called sources made available is a sample application of a > > commercial product. Try compiling the sources and you will see the > > trick. > > I suggest stroking it rather then dropping it. > It would be a way to keep track of unfair players in the > freegis market (and a community request for fair play). Our idea so far is to not advertise proprietary (=non-free) software as there are many places that advertise it already. Bernhard -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) Experts for web based GIS! In business since 1999: http://intevation.net/services/gis/webgis.en.html Pay for FreeGIS if you like it: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If I would have to deal with php and shapefiles I would look for a php wrapper for shapelib, e.g. ext_shapelib http://www.freegis.org/database/viewobj?obj=383 Bernhard -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) Experts for web based GIS! In business since 1999: http://intevation.net/services/gis/webgis.en.html Pay for FreeGIS if you like it: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060102/bff4dc2b/attachment.bin From adam at jamradar.com Wed Jan 4 08:35:40 2006 From: adam at jamradar.com (Adam) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:35:40 -0600 Subject: [Freegis-list] Where's the money in GIS? References: <000201c600c0$8fc8a510$8119fea9@ahmed> <20060102192254.GH18049@intevation.de> Message-ID: <002101c61101$798b9c70$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> I was wondering if people on this list would share where they think the money is in GIS? Is most business with Local or State or Federal Govt' / or private sector? Where are people mostly looking for? Selling Public Data Sets? Selling Custom Data Sets? Selling GIS programs? Custom GIS development? Selling maintenance? Any thoughts would be appreciated. From gedas at ekoi.lt Wed Jan 4 09:02:35 2006 From: gedas at ekoi.lt (Gedas Vaitkus) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:02:35 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Where's the money in GIS? In-Reply-To: <002101c61101$798b9c70$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> References: <000201c600c0$8fc8a510$8119fea9@ahmed> <20060102192254.GH18049@intevation.de> <002101c61101$798b9c70$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> Message-ID: <43BB811B.3040409@ekoi.lt> Sorry, This mailing list is about giving things for free. "Selling Public Data Sets?" - what the hell is this???? Gedas Adam wrote: > I was wondering if people on this list would share where they think the > money is in GIS? > > Is most business with Local or State or Federal Govt' / or private sector? > > Where are people mostly looking for? > Selling Public Data Sets? > Selling Custom Data Sets? > Selling GIS programs? > Custom GIS development? > Selling maintenance? > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. From arnulf.christl at ccgis.de Wed Jan 4 09:12:59 2006 From: arnulf.christl at ccgis.de (Arnulf Christl) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:12:59 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Where's the money in GIS? In-Reply-To: <002101c61101$798b9c70$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> References: <000201c600c0$8fc8a510$8119fea9@ahmed> <20060102192254.GH18049@intevation.de> <002101c61101$798b9c70$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> Message-ID: <43BB838B.2040001@ccgis.de> Adam wrote: > I was wondering if people on this list would share where they think the > money is in GIS? Hi Adam, most money has been spent on collecting data in terms of manpower. Implementing software has never been that lucrative for the employed developer but it was (past tense) for corporations. > Is most business with Local or State or Federal Govt' / or private sector? Most longtime activity up to date has probably taken place at local, state and federal govt' levels. The private sector has been sleeping for the longest time and is now waking up to the chances in using spatial information management (but we have been saying for years already. GIS business is a lot slower than software dev but its also more steady and continuous). > Where are people mostly looking for? Thinking from a Free perspective (as in freedom not in beer) I'd say that: > Selling Public Data Sets? Does not make sense as it has already been funded and now should be understood as collective property. The old German term "Allmende" describes this best: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allmende. Pity it does not translate well into English. Anybody any suggestions? Public data should be the basis to generate surplus value. For this it has to be available for free or at minimal cost. > Selling Custom Data Sets? This will be an important sector, expecially for us small scale specialists. Find your sector, be the best. But it should not be selling the *data* but selling the *act of enhancing*. After work has been done it should be returned to the public (that freedom thing again). Earn your money by doing things, not by selling finished products by multiplying revenue. The very nature of GIS data makes it stay in a constant state of flux. > Selling GIS programs? Selling software in a proprietary way has been lucrative for the longest time. Look at the prices of packages and the discount you can get when you start dickering and you know what I mean. This will be the largest problem to the established GIS industry, they are having a hard time - not so much adopting to Open Source development but more so to thinking Free Software. Most standard know-how required to do GIS is nowadays publicly available, there is not much secrecy left that can be an advantage to a proprietary business. > Custom GIS development? This will be a growing sector as spatial interest diversifies and specializes. Profit margins are smaller due to smaller communities of interest (in terms of people and funding). > Selling maintenance? Call it service & support, then maintenance will be an important area of business activity. Probably globalization theory will grow to be more important in the sense of thinking globally (use standards, collaborate on software projects) and acting locally (provide support in your local vicinity). > Any thoughts would be appreciated. Best regards, Arnulf. From bernhard at intevation.de Wed Jan 4 13:14:19 2006 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:14:19 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Where's the money in GIS? In-Reply-To: <43BB811B.3040409@ekoi.lt> References: <000201c600c0$8fc8a510$8119fea9@ahmed> <20060102192254.GH18049@intevation.de> <002101c61101$798b9c70$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <43BB811B.3040409@ekoi.lt> Message-ID: <20060104121419.GL32093@intevation.de> Am 4. Jan 2006 um 10:02:35 schrieb Gedas Vaitkus: > This mailing list is about giving things for free. "Selling Public Data > Sets?" - what the hell is this???? While this is about Free Software which is about freedom and not price, I also found the question a bit strange to ask here in a general way. Fortunately it is at everybodies discretion to answer or not. ;) The FSFE believes that Free Software will take a good share of the overall running software which means it is important that good commcercial way will be found to create, maintain and deal with Free Software. Releated to GIS, I would consider this on-topic for the list. > Adam wrote: > > I was wondering if people on this list would share where they think the > > money is in GIS? To me it is in commercial Free Software and service, that is one of the reasons why my company Intevation works in this area. Bernhard -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) Experts for web based GIS! 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Jan 2006 um 09:12:59 schrieb Arnulf Christl: > Adam wrote: > > I was wondering if people on this list would share where they think the > > money is in GIS? > > Selling Public Data Sets? > > Does not make sense as it has already been funded and now should be > understood as collective property. The old German term "Allmende" > describes this best: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allmende. Pity it does > not translate well into English. Anybody any suggestions? It translates nicely as common good, common land or commons as in "The tragedy of the Commons". This is why I believe the comparison is bad: With data that can be copied without loss, the tragedy is missing. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060104/83056079/attachment.bin From bh at udev.org Wed Jan 4 13:51:53 2006 From: bh at udev.org (Benjamin Henrion) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:51:53 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] INSPIRE directive on the way to enforce copyright on state-collected geo data Message-ID: <20060104125153.GJ25300@localhost> Hi all, I exchanged several mails with the MEP rapporter on INSPIRE directive to know her position on copyright issues and amendments. It will not be possible to introduce new amendments in second reading as far as I can see, so if the INSPIRE directive is adopted, this one will enforce copyright on state-collected geo data in all member states of the EU. The Council has reached a majority in supporting copyright for state-collected geo data, and this issue of Public Domain Vs strong copyright has not been discussed by civil society organisations. If this directive will go through without any resistance from the civil society or the industry, you can forget about geo-data in the public domain for the future. -- Benjamin Henrion http://bh.udev.org <<< European Community Patent will bring >>> <<< Software patents by the backdoor >>> <<< http://wiki.ffii.org/ComPatEn >>> From strk at keybit.net Wed Jan 4 14:18:31 2006 From: strk at keybit.net (strk) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:18:31 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] INSPIRE directive on the way to enforce copyright on state-collected geo data In-Reply-To: <20060104125153.GJ25300@localhost> References: <20060104125153.GJ25300@localhost> Message-ID: <20060104131831.GE75582@keybit.net> On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 01:51:53PM +0100, Benjamin Henrion wrote: > Hi all, > > I exchanged several mails with the MEP rapporter on INSPIRE directive to > know her position on copyright issues and amendments. > > It will not be possible to introduce new amendments in second reading as > far as I can see, so if the INSPIRE directive is adopted, this one will > enforce copyright on state-collected geo data in all member states of > the EU. > > The Council has reached a majority in supporting copyright for > state-collected geo data, and this issue of Public Domain Vs strong > copyright has not been discussed by civil society organisations. > > If this directive will go through without any resistance from the civil > society or the industry, you can forget about geo-data in the public > domain for the future. Isn't the fight about licensing rather then copyright ? Would that be any enforcement on the kind of licensing the data would be available under ? Can we push on that aspect ? --strk; /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / Respect for low technology. X Keep e-mail messages readable by any computer system. / \ Keep it ASCII. From adoyle at eogeo.org Wed Jan 4 14:30:07 2006 From: adoyle at eogeo.org (Allan Doyle) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:30:07 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Where's the money in GIS? In-Reply-To: <20060104122109.GM32093@intevation.de> References: <000201c600c0$8fc8a510$8119fea9@ahmed> <20060102192254.GH18049@intevation.de> <002101c61101$798b9c70$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <43BB838B.2040001@ccgis.de> <20060104122109.GM32093@intevation.de> Message-ID: On Jan 4, 2006, at 07:21, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > Am 4. Jan 2006 um 09:12:59 schrieb Arnulf Christl: >> Adam wrote: >>> I was wondering if people on this list would share where they >>> think the >>> money is in GIS? > >>> Selling Public Data Sets? >> >> Does not make sense as it has already been funded and now should be >> understood as collective property. The old German term "Allmende" >> describes this best: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allmende. Pity >> it does >> not translate well into English. Anybody any suggestions? > > It translates nicely as common good, common land > or commons as in "The tragedy of the Commons". > This is why I believe the comparison is bad: > With data that can be copied without loss, the tragedy is missing. Who needs tragedy?! The commons is the correct term. Even better if the data can be reused without tragedy. The idea of a geographic data commons has been around for a little while at least. You can see some initial materials here http:// www.spatial.maine.edu/geodatacommons/ -- Allan Doyle +1.781.433.2695 adoyle at eogeo.org From bernhard at intevation.de Wed Jan 4 15:20:04 2006 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:20:04 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Where's the money in GIS? In-Reply-To: References: <000201c600c0$8fc8a510$8119fea9@ahmed> <20060102192254.GH18049@intevation.de> <002101c61101$798b9c70$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <43BB838B.2040001@ccgis.de> <20060104122109.GM32093@intevation.de> Message-ID: <20060104142004.GO32093@intevation.de> Am 4. Jan 2006 um 08:30:07 schrieb Allan Doyle: > On Jan 4, 2006, at 07:21, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > > It translates nicely as common good, common land > > or commons as in "The tragedy of the Commons". > > This is why I believe the comparison is bad: > > With data that can be copied without loss, the tragedy is missing. > > Who needs tragedy?! The commons is the correct term. Even better if > the data can be reused without tragedy. It is the right translation, but "Allmende" in German is quite closely attached to the accompaining problem of its limits. So using it as comparison is not a good start into explaining the concept. As far as I know the situation is similiar in English. > The idea of a geographic data commons has been around for a little > while at least. You can see some initial materials here http:// > www.spatial.maine.edu/geodatacommons/ Of course it has been, the whole "public domain" idea in the US has been there for a while yet. And FreeGIS which also provides information about data coming with enough freedom has been founded end of 1999, which is quite a while ago. :) Bernhard -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) Experts for web based GIS! In business since 1999: http://intevation.net/services/gis/webgis.en.html Pay for FreeGIS if you like it: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060104/c3bed4bf/attachment.bin From tzajc at conae.gov.ar Thu Jan 5 02:15:26 2006 From: tzajc at conae.gov.ar (tzajc@conae.gov.ar) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:15:26 +0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] mapserver, need a recomendation Message-ID: <7AYQRe0N.1136423726.7253670.tzajc@mail.conae.gov.ar> First of all thanks for all the answers I got for my previews question (ogr2ogr). I'm traying to publish some data using mapserver. The data chnages from day to day and I would like to keep previous days published. One easy way is ading layers on the.map file each time y update my data. This would be fine but y don't know what would hapen when i get 365 layers (a hole year), is this any problem? Another way is making a .map file for each day separated but I will have some truoble lisyng them on a web page. This is probable a job for php (or asp) in which I'm not skilled. So the question is : is there any prblem adding to many layers on a .map file. They will probably never been displayed all together. Tomas From steve.lime at dnr.state.mn.us Thu Jan 5 04:08:37 2006 From: steve.lime at dnr.state.mn.us (Steve Lime) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:08:37 -0600 Subject: [Freegis-list] mapserver, need a recomendation Message-ID: Sounds to me like you might want to take advantage of the adhoc tiling capabilities in MapServer. For example, you could have an index shapefile that contains one polygon covering the bounds for each dataset. In your case you might have the same polygon in the shapefile 365 times. For each record you might define an attribute called 'day' to store the day number (1-365). You could reference any specific days data by using a filter. A set of layer def might look like: LAYER NAME 'mydata_index' TYPE INDEX DATA 'mydata_index.shp' FILTERITEM 'day' FILTER '364' END LAYER NAME 'mydata' TYPE RASTER # or whatever TILEINDEX 'mydata_index' # ...you could have classes and such here... END Effectively this would access the raster referenced in the tile index where day=364 (Dec. 30th). This assumes you would draw each day the same way. You can alter the selected day by mucking with the value for FILTER. Steve Stephen Lime Data & Applications Manager Minnesota DNR 500 Lafayette Road St. Paul, MN 55155 651-259-5473 >>> 01/04/06 7:15 PM >>> First of all thanks for all the answers I got for my previews question (ogr2ogr). I'm traying to publish some data using mapserver. The data chnages from day to day and I would like to keep previous days published. One easy way is ading layers on the.map file each time y update my data. This would be fine but y don't know what would hapen when i get 365 layers (a hole year), is this any problem? Another way is making a .map file for each day separated but I will have some truoble lisyng them on a web page. This is probable a job for php (or asp) in which I'm not skilled. So the question is : is there any prblem adding to many layers on a .map file. They will probably never been displayed all together. Tomas _______________________________________________ Freegis-list mailing list Freegis-list at intevation.de https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From cavallini at faunalia.it Thu Jan 5 09:51:59 2006 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:51:59 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] INSPIRE directive on the way to enforce copyright on state-collected geo data In-Reply-To: <20060104125153.GJ25300@localhost> References: <20060104125153.GJ25300@localhost> Message-ID: <200601050951.59590.cavallini@faunalia.it> so please start promoting a public petition. pc At 13:51, mercoled? 04 gennaio 2006, Benjamin Henrion has probably written: > Hi all, > > I exchanged several mails with the MEP rapporter on INSPIRE directive to > know her position on copyright issues and amendments. > > It will not be possible to introduce new amendments in second reading as > far as I can see, so if the INSPIRE directive is adopted, this one will > enforce copyright on state-collected geo data in all member states of > the EU. > > The Council has reached a majority in supporting copyright for > state-collected geo data, and this issue of Public Domain Vs strong > copyright has not been discussed by civil society organisations. > > If this directive will go through without any resistance from the civil > society or the industry, you can forget about geo-data in the public > domain for the future. -- Paolo Cavallini email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From oceatoon at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 11:22:32 2006 From: oceatoon at gmail.com (oceatoon@gmail.com) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:22:32 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] INSPIRE directive on the way to enforce copyright on state-collected geo data In-Reply-To: <20060104125153.GJ25300@localhost> References: <20060104125153.GJ25300@localhost> Message-ID: <43BCF368.6080209@gmail.com> Hi Here's my 2 cents on all this and I apologise in advance if some organisations feel concerned but they should anyway. Starting a petition is necessary for Inspire and all other OS projects , but first maybe we could write once again why geoData must be public domain in Europe because The Council really seem think headed and don't seem to understand the prejudice caused by closing all this info into the private sector: * How can any European Spatial project develop a unified solution if first it has to fight with every single actor of the EU??? The EU needs an Inspired door to public geodata!!! * In EU shouldn't the U have some sort of sharing meaning in it ? and not only be economical !!! * Limiting project developments potential because some actors are holding on to their crumbling thrown is suicidal and and simply leaves an open door for smart working external to Europe companies to march on what belongs to Europe!!! * Today I get more data about Europe from the US than from Europe itself , does someone see a problem in that ?? * Enhancing public geodata might give us developpers a starting point in catching up the gap (crator) with the Greatly managed American geoData providers (a great example of why and how data should be publicly shared). who ever the geo Council is please be courious enough to use google and type "USGS" , but be carefull you might discover what open data means!!! * Snow Ball effect, EU must give to receive and it still has a lot to learn of this philosophy * Standardise Europe Geographically !!! (see exmple below) Maybe we could also start a list of european axed open source projects where we could say why not having a european database is pulling the hand break on our projects. * www.open-atlas.org* : I could go into detail because the list of problems caused by not having public data central for europe is long but I'll stick one meaningfull example : I needed to find a centralised document listing European countries with all provinces and regions. This was never found so we did it manuelly going to each entity on the web from many sources (wikipedia, many others...) because offcourse there is no standard on the way countries are organised so every country has it's own structure and worse there are still some ancient structures mixed with more recent ones. Any way we put one person working 2 months full time night and day on a nerve breaking job to do this. I have to stop here or I'll really get suicidal Best Regards to all of you and to this movement Tibor Katelbach Benjamin Henrion wrote: >Hi all, > >I exchanged several mails with the MEP rapporter on INSPIRE directive to >know her position on copyright issues and amendments. > >It will not be possible to introduce new amendments in second reading as >far as I can see, so if the INSPIRE directive is adopted, this one will >enforce copyright on state-collected geo data in all member states of >the EU. > >The Council has reached a majority in supporting copyright for >state-collected geo data, and this issue of Public Domain Vs strong >copyright has not been discussed by civil society organisations. > >If this directive will go through without any resistance from the civil >society or the industry, you can forget about geo-data in the public >domain for the future. > >-- >Benjamin Henrion >http://bh.udev.org ><<< European Community Patent will bring >>> ><<< Software patents by the backdoor >>> ><<< http://wiki.ffii.org/ComPatEn >>> > >_______________________________________________ >Freegis-list mailing list >Freegis-list at intevation.de >https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > > -- 180 Rue R?n? 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URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060105/81dbefe4/attachment.html From jo at frot.org Thu Jan 5 12:11:50 2006 From: jo at frot.org (Jo Walsh) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:11:50 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] INSPIRE directive on the way to enforce copyright on state-collected geo data In-Reply-To: <43BCF368.6080209@gmail.com> References: <20060104125153.GJ25300@localhost> <43BCF368.6080209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060105111150.GH28480@vishnu.tridity.org> On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 11:22:32AM +0100, oceatoon at gmail.com wrote: > Here's my 2 cents on all this and I apologise in advance if some > organisations feel concerned but they should anyway. > Starting a petition is necessary for Inspire and all other OS projects , > but first maybe we could write once again why geoData must be public > domain in Europe because The Council really seem think headed and don't > seem to understand the prejudice caused by closing all this info into > the private sector: http://okfn.org/geo/manifesto.php was my attempt, with a lot of help from Rufus Pollock and the people on the geo-discuss list at OKFN and the openstreetmap list, to state in a constructive way, why access to state-collected geodata should be free. It doesn't directly address INSPIRE, but was written with it in the background. 500+ people have signed it, from all over the world, most of them GIS professionals, hackers and academics. I suspect many of them would be inspired to help with a narrower more focused effort at this point. I think there has been a feeling that INSPIRE has too many "stakes in the ground" to have a chance of rejection; that the GIS specific issues are too niche for enough people to care about to get enough MEPs to listen carefully; that the strong rhetoric about caring sharing of environmental data that prefaces INSPIRE is hard to penetrate. but i think http://eurogeographics.org/ used to say a lot more definite stuff about INSPIRE than it does now; it could be weakening. "Copyfighters" who don't know from jack about GIS or the significance of open access to geodata, *do* however care about restrictive and unexamined use of copyright in ways that restrict the flow of civic information. The software patents directive campaign did amazingly well in a short time - they found ways both to speak to the hearts of individuals and address the very genuine commercial concerns of many small/medium business about impact on their revenues and innovative practises. Benjamin was heavily involved in that success. > Maybe we could also start a list of european axed open source projects > where we could say why not having a european database is pulling the > hand break on our projects. openstreetmap.org has a lot of pan-European open mapping activity now. http://www.openstreetmap.org/wiki/index.php/OpenStreetMap:Community_Portal -jo From bh at udev.org Thu Jan 5 12:32:20 2006 From: bh at udev.org (Benjamin Henrion) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:32:20 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] INSPIRE directive on the way to enforce copyright on state-collected geo data In-Reply-To: <200601050951.59590.cavallini@faunalia.it> References: <20060104125153.GJ25300@localhost> <200601050951.59590.cavallini@faunalia.it> Message-ID: <20060105113220.GQ25300@localhost> Paolo Cavallini [060105]: > so please start promoting a public petition. > pc I will try to take time this afternoon to install phppetition on my server. I will also collect testimonies from academics, business mans, GIS students, etc... > At 13:51, mercoled? 04 gennaio 2006, Benjamin Henrion has probably written: > > Hi all, > > > > I exchanged several mails with the MEP rapporter on INSPIRE directive to > > know her position on copyright issues and amendments. > > > > It will not be possible to introduce new amendments in second reading as > > far as I can see, so if the INSPIRE directive is adopted, this one will > > enforce copyright on state-collected geo data in all member states of > > the EU. > > > > The Council has reached a majority in supporting copyright for > > state-collected geo data, and this issue of Public Domain Vs strong > > copyright has not been discussed by civil society organisations. > > > > If this directive will go through without any resistance from the civil > > society or the industry, you can forget about geo-data in the public > > domain for the future. > -- > Paolo Cavallini > email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it > www.faunalia.it > Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list -- Benjamin Henrion http://bh.udev.org <<< European Community Patent will bring >>> <<< Software patents by the backdoor >>> <<< http://wiki.ffii.org/ComPatEn >>> From sxpert at esitcom.org Thu Jan 5 17:03:49 2006 From: sxpert at esitcom.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Jacquot?=) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:03:49 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] INSPIRE directive on the way to enforce copyright on state-collected geo data In-Reply-To: <200601050951.59590.cavallini@faunalia.it> References: <20060104125153.GJ25300@localhost> <200601050951.59590.cavallini@faunalia.it> Message-ID: <43BD4365.4080706@esitcom.org> Paolo Cavallini wrote: > so please start promoting a public petition. > pc > also, come over and participate in http://www.openstreetmap.org we need more people in * spain * portugal * italy * france (and wherever else you're from) :D From onsrud at spatial.maine.edu Sat Jan 7 14:48:56 2006 From: onsrud at spatial.maine.edu (Harlan Onsrud) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:48:56 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Where's the money in GIS? In-Reply-To: <20060104142004.GO32093@intevation.de> References: <000201c600c0$8fc8a510$8119fea9@ahmed> <20060102192254.GH18049@intevation.de> <002101c61101$798b9c70$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <43BB838B.2040001@ccgis.de> <20060104122109.GM32093@intevation.de> <20060104142004.GO32093@intevation.de> Message-ID: Although now a bit out of date, what I have meant by a Tragedy of the Information Commons is described in an article from 1998 accessible at http://www.spatial.maine.edu/%7eonsrud/pubs/tragedyabstract42.htm Many similar (and better written) articles have emerged over the past several years in the legal community. Some of the research challenges we believe that need to be addressed in developing a more readily accessible and legally viable public commons of geographic data and services is expressed in the paper at http://www.spatial.maine.edu/geodatacommons/PubCommonsSNGL.pdf Alternatively, look at Section 3 in Chapter 9 of http://books.nap.edu/catalog/11079.html Best, Harlan At 3:20 PM +0100 1/4/06, Bernhard Reiter wrote: >Am 4. Jan 2006 um 08:30:07 schrieb Allan Doyle: >> On Jan 4, 2006, at 07:21, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > >> > It translates nicely as common good, common land >> > or commons as in "The tragedy of the Commons". >> > This is why I believe the comparison is bad: >> > With data that can be copied without loss, the tragedy is missing. >> >> Who needs tragedy?! The commons is the correct term. Even better if >> the data can be reused without tragedy. > >It is the right translation, but "Allmende" in German is quite >closely attached to the accompaining problem of its limits. >So using it as comparison is not a good start into explaining the concept. >As far as I know the situation is similiar in English. > >> The idea of a geographic data commons has been around for a little >> while at least. You can see some initial materials here http:// >> www.spatial.maine.edu/geodatacommons/ > >Of course it has been, >the whole "public domain" idea in the US has been there for a while yet. >And FreeGIS which also provides information about data coming with >enough freedom has been founded end of 1999, which is quite a while ago. :) > > Bernhard >-- >Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) >Experts for web based GIS! In business since 1999: > http://intevation.net/services/gis/webgis.en.html >Pay for FreeGIS if you like it: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html > >Attachment converted: OnsrudG4Mini:Untitled 302 ( / ) (00128522) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060107/d2426ef6/attachment.html From bartvde at xs4all.nl Sun Jan 8 15:47:35 2006 From: bartvde at xs4all.nl (Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:47:35 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] G-delivery service Message-ID: <43C12607.3020203@xs4all.nl> Hi people, I wanted to report back some info about a project I recently did and share some ideas. The project's purpose was building a G-delivery service, much alike the situation which exists for a few years already in Canada (although the project I did is used in an intranet). The project combines Mapserver, GDAL/OGR and Chameleon. It is based on OGC standards, mostly Web Feature Service (WFS) and Web Coverage Service (WCS). The ideas I wrote up are available at: http://www.osgis.nl/G-delivery.pdf Comments or suggestions are very much welcome. If anybody is interested in more details, let me know. Best regards, Bart -- Bart van den Eijnden OSGIS, Open Source GIS http://www.osgis.nl From carrera_marrod at gva.es Tue Jan 10 17:06:45 2006 From: carrera_marrod at gva.es (Mario Carrera) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:06:45 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] gvSIG version 0.5-stable is available to download Message-ID: <1136909205.43c3db95260d3@webmail.gva.es> gvSIG version 0.5-stable is available to download.gvSIG is the Generalitat Valenciana free System Information Geographic software (GNU/GPL license). It's a tool oriented to manage geographic information and characterized by a quick access to the most usual raster and vector formats. Once finalized the stabilization process on the gvSIG 0.5, we publish the version 0.5-stable that features new funciontalities already anounced for the previous 0.5 (unstable: rc1, rc2, rc3 and rc4) releases which are, among others: access to geospatial and alphanumerical database via JDBC, the insertion of North symbols, incorporation of templates onto the layouts and reading GIF and BMP image formats. Mario Carrera Rodr?guez Grupo SIG-CAD / gvSIG Servicio de Organizaci?n e Inform?tica Conselleria d'Infraestructures i Transport Generalitat Valenciana Valencia (Espa?a) From ari.jolma at tkk.fi Fri Jan 13 16:46:51 2006 From: ari.jolma at tkk.fi (Ari Jolma) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:46:51 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Comparison of free vs. proprietary software in Kart og plan Message-ID: <43C7CB6B.9070000@tkk.fi> In Kart og plan nr. 3/2005 there is a comparison of PostGIS and Mapserver against ArcSDE and ArcIMS. The journal and the article are in Norvegian, which I don't read very well, but the conclusion seems positive, i.e. the differences are not big if there are any. If there's a Norvegian among the subscribers who has access to this journal, perhaps she or he could elighten us a bit more? Regards, Ari -- Prof. Ari Jolma Kartografia ja Geoinformatiikka / Cartography and Geoinformatics Teknillinen Korkeakoulu / Helsinki University of Technology tel: +358 9 451 3886 address: POBox 1200, 02015 TKK, Finland Email: ari.jolma at tkk.fi URL: http://www.tkk.fi/~jolma From pramsey at refractions.net Fri Jan 13 18:32:10 2006 From: pramsey at refractions.net (Paul Ramsey) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:32:10 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] "Geospatial Foundation" Meeting Message-ID: <298DF5FE-FFB1-4A62-A986-CDF5BE71A5DB@refractions.net> Dear Community Members, In order to help move along the process of starting an "open source geospatial foundation" there will be a face-to-face meeting in Chicago, Westin O'Hare, on February 4, 2006, hosted by Autodesk. In conceiving of this meeting, we have tried (and will continue to try) to follow these principles: - Inclusion. Members from a number of different open source projects have been invited (see the list so far below) and Autodesk has offered to pay the travel costs of some of these invitees in order to ensure they can attend if they cannot afford it otherwise. Anyone else is also welcome to attend physically or virtually (see below). - Transparency. The agenda for the meeting will be public, and will be revised based on comments and input prior to the meeting. The minutes of the meeting will also be public. Planning materials (backgrounders, attendee lists, agenda) for the meeting on will be on a public site. The whole meeting will be transcribed into IRC in real time, and IRC users will be able to participate via an interlocutor at the meeting. The following are some general goals for the meeting (subject to revision/addition/subtraction), which should provide enough certainty that present investments into the starting of the foundation are not wasted on concepts that people are not interested in for the long term future. - Agreement in principle on a mission statement or short charter. - Agreement in principle on a governance model for the foundation. Deciding whether the foundation should "look like" Eclipse, or Apache, or The Open Group, or some other model entirely. - Agreement in principle on a founding Board of Directors. A founding BoD can start to make concrete decisions on things like a name, logo and branding, domains, and so on. - Agreement in principle on an acceptable short list of foundation names, to be subjected to further legal research. In general, the goal is to establish enough solid agreement on basic issues that a founding BoD can proceed confidently in managing the details in getting the foundation up and running. The proposed agenda follows: a. Opening statements and introductions b. Q/A – ~20 min - from IRC, email c. Foundation Goals – what should they be? What should the name be? d. Q/A – ~20 min - from IRC, email e. Foundation Operations – the givens (governance, legal protection, IPR, licenses, funding, community management) f. Q/A – ~20 min - from IRC, email g. Foundation charter, tentative board membership, and action plan established h. Q/A – 20 min - from IRC, email i. Breakout groups: Governance, Legal Issues, Community Management, Funding j. Breakout groups regroup and present their findings k. Results will be gathered and enumerated for the creation of a draft document rolling up the decisions and next steps. The minutes of this meeting will be published on the web site within a few days after the meeting adjourns. We will then work hard to publish the final results of the meeting within two weeks of the meeting. An attorney who has worked with the creators of Mozilla and other foundations to establish non profits for housing an open source foundation will be present. Establishing an open source foundation is now almost formulaic in Silicon Valley, and we would like to take advantage of those formulas. The participants in the meeting thus far are: Brian Behlendorf (O'Reilly & CollabNet) Chris Holmes (GeoServer/Open Planning Project) Claude Philipona (FOSS4GIS Conference/Camptocamp) Dave McIlhagga (Mapserver/DM) Frank Warmerdam (OGR/GDAL) Gary Lang (Tux/Autodesk) Gary Sherman (QGIS) Gordon Luckett (User/Autodesk) Howard Butler (MapServer/UIowa) Mark Lucas (OSSIM) Paul Ramsey (PostGIS/uDig/Refractions) Pericles Nacionales (Mapserver/UMN) Robert Bray (Tux/Autodesk) Rich Steele (Tux/Autodesk) Paul Spencer (Ka-Map/DM) Steve Lime (Mapserver) Tom Burk (Mapserver/UMN) Tyler Mitchell (O’Reilly Author, long-time MapServer Foundation advocate) We therefore have room for more on-site attendees. If you are interested in attending to represent one of these communities as a user or you want to propose adding a project to this list, please send an email to: chicago mapserverfoundation.org When we reach 25 on-site attendees, we will be at our budget limit for this meeting and have reached a size that we feel comfortable managing. Everyone else can participate through the virtual mechanisms described above. Everyone wants to ensure the foundation has a long and successful future, and we know that this requires getting lots of input up front, so the organization starts out heading in the right direction. We hope that many of you can join us in Chicago, and that the rest will join us virtually as well to take part in this process. We will soon start posting Chicago location information (a hotel near the airport is the goal) and information for discussion publicly. We will use www.mapserverfoundation.org as the hosting place for virtual connection information, discussion documents, agenda modifications, and other documents associated with the foundation until such time as the name of the foundation is chosen and a site dedicated to it has been established. Paul Ramsey Gary Lang From gould at lsi.uji.es Tue Jan 10 17:31:32 2006 From: gould at lsi.uji.es (michael gould) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:31:32 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] gvSIG 0.5 released Message-ID: <008001c61603$50f7fc20$79568096@acerc49cfd35b8> Sent on behalf of development team . gvSIG version 0.5-stable is available to download. Once finalized the stabilization process on the gvSIG 0.5, we publish the version 0.5-stable that features new functionalities already announced for the previous 0.5 (unstable: rc1, rc2, rc3 and rc4) releases which are, among others: access to geospatial and alphanumerical database via JDBC, the insertion of North symbols, incorporation of templates onto the layouts and reading GIF and BMP image formats. www.gvsig.gva.es ------- Michael Gould Dept. Information Systems (Lenguajes y Sistemas Informaticos) Universitat Jaume I, 12071 Castell?n, Spain e-mail: gould (at) lsi.uji.es e-mail2: mgould (at) opengeospatial.org research group www.geoinfo.uji.es personal www.mgould.com Vespucci 2006 summer institute www.vespucci.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20060110/715fe746/attachment.html From tylermitchell at shaw.ca Mon Jan 16 07:27:42 2006 From: tylermitchell at shaw.ca (Tyler Mitchell) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:27:42 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] "Geospatial Foundation" Meeting In-Reply-To: <298DF5FE-FFB1-4A62-A986-CDF5BE71A5DB@refractions.net> References: <298DF5FE-FFB1-4A62-A986-CDF5BE71A5DB@refractions.net> Message-ID: <200601152227.43325.tylermitchell@shaw.ca> Paul Ramsey wrote: > The whole meeting will be transcribed into IRC in real > time, and IRC users will be able to participate via an interlocutor > at the meeting. I have registered the IRC channel: #geofoundation at irc.freenode.net - as a potential place for our discussions during the meeting. In the meantime it is suitable for those who want to chat about the foundation ideas in real-time before the meeting. I'll gladly answer questions there as I am able over the days/weeks leading up to the meeting. Tyler From Michel.Garand at frankfurt-oder.de Fri Jan 20 08:45:56 2006 From: Michel.Garand at frankfurt-oder.de (Garand) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:45:56 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Fraunhofer report on Open Source Software Message-ID: <866C4E4F69A2474A99679CADA501120B3A73A0@ffo-exch> Greetings! Here is a link to a newly published report on OSS (pages: 186, language: German) from the Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft: Competence Center Electronic Business - Germany ("Open Source Software:Einsatzpotenziale und Wirtschaftlichkeit) www.e-business.iao.fraunhofer.de/docs/fhg_oss-studie.pdf Any comments? Best regards, Michel Garand Stadt Frankfurt (Oder) Abteilung Stadtentwicklung > Amt f?r Strategie, Wirtschafts- und Stadtentwicklung Goepelstrasse 38, D-15234 Frankfurt (Oder), Germany Tel.: +49 (0)335 / 552-6016 Fax: +49 (0)335 / 552-6099 michel.garand at frankfurt-oder.de From pcreso at pcreso.com Fri Jan 20 22:31:05 2006 From: pcreso at pcreso.com (Brent Wood) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:31:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Freegis-list] Open/Free up Govt GeoData In-Reply-To: <200601220728.25616.matt-lists@comnet.net.nz> Message-ID: <20060120213105.45316.qmail@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Those of you who support the idea of freely available geodata, especially when it's collection has been taxpayer funded, may be interested in this initiative. http://www.okfn.org/geo/manifesto.php Brent Wood From wharms at bfs.de Thu Jan 26 10:01:27 2006 From: wharms at bfs.de (walter harms) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:01:27 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] looking for viewer tiff/tfw Message-ID: <43D88FE7.6020504@bfs.de> Hi list, i have some dvd's with tiff/tfw/eck/akt viewable with arcview. Can anyone recommend a simple tools make the maps viewable with linux ? (i know i can see tiff with xv) I am aware that grass can handle them but I am not a gis expert, and additionally the usual lack of time. Ultimately i need these maps as background for measurements. i know there are some free solutions out there but i am missing background knowledge. any recommendations ? re, walter From holl at gdf-hannover.de Thu Jan 26 10:14:27 2006 From: holl at gdf-hannover.de (Stephan Holl) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:14:27 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] looking for viewer tiff/tfw In-Reply-To: <43D88FE7.6020504@bfs.de> References: <43D88FE7.6020504@bfs.de> Message-ID: <20060126101427.20699d47@bambule.gdf-hannover.de> Hello Mr. Harms, On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:01:27 +0100 walter harms wrote: > Hi list, > i have some dvd's with tiff/tfw/eck/akt viewable with arcview. > Can anyone recommend a simple tools make the maps viewable with > linux ? (i know i can see tiff with xv) > I am aware that grass can handle them but I am not a gis expert, and > additionally the usual lack of time. There are several free Dataviewers available. You could try Thuban[1], QGIS[2], Udig[3], Jump[4]/deejump[5], etc. > Ultimately i need these maps as background for measurements. i know > there are some free solutions out there but i am missing background > knowledge. > any recommendations ? All should handle your tasks quite easily. Mostly it depens on your personal feeling about their GUI. Best regards Stephan Holl [1] http://thuban.intevation.org/ [2] http://www.qgis.org [3] http://udig.refractions.net/confluence/display/UDIG/Home [4] http://openjump.org/wiki/show/HomePage [5] http://demo.deegree.org/download/demos/deejump/deejump-20051102.zip -- GDF Hannover - Solutions for spatial data analysis and remote sensing Hannover Office - Mengendamm 16d - D-30177 Hannover Internet: www.gdf-hannover.de - Email: holl at gdf-hannover.de Phone : ++49-(0)511.39088507 - Fax: ++49-(0)511.39088508 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The problem is the system always remind me that the file is not available. Really need your help. If you know the answer, pls kindly tell me. Best Regard, Lynn From bh at udev.org Fri Jan 27 11:45:40 2006 From: bh at udev.org (Benjamin Henrion) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:45:40 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] INSPIRE Common position adopted, second reading starting at next EP plenary session Message-ID: <20060127104540.GA27466@localhost> The Common Position of the Inspire Directive has been adopted formally this 23 jan 2006. Second reading will start once announced at the next EP plenary session. http://register.consilium.eu.int/servlet/driver?lang=EN&typ=Advanced&cmsid=639&ff_COTE_DOCUMENT=&ff_COTE_DOSSIER_INST=2004%2F0175&ff_TITRE=&ff_FT_TEXT=&ff_SOUS_COTE_MATIERE=&dd_DATE_DOCUMENT=&dd_DATE_REUNION=&dd_FT_DATE=&fc=REGAISEN&srm=25&md=100&ssf=&rc=22&nr=22&page=Detail I am starting a campaign website with petition in order to pressure the European Parliament to do not accept the council text regarding property of state-collected geo data, and strong copyright of National Mapping Agencies over this data. -- Benjamin Henrion http://bh.udev.org <<< European Community Patent will bring >>> <<< Software patents by the backdoor >>> <<< http://wiki.ffii.org/ComPatEn >>> From imissgema at hotmail.com Fri Jan 27 13:47:41 2006 From: imissgema at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?uLUgwek=?=) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:47:41 +0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS-Knoppix Message-ID: hi, all I'm doing a project using GIS-Knoppix right the moment. I met a lot of problems cuz I'm not familar with this live CD and linux system. are there someone can provide me a training course or teach me how to use GRASS, PostGIS, etc? I'm in Stuttgart, Germany. I can go to your place if you are in Europe. Really need your help. Thanks a million! Best Regard, Lynn From cavallini at faunalia.it Fri Jan 27 14:31:57 2006 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:31:57 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] INSPIRE Common position adopted, second reading starting at next EP plenary session In-Reply-To: <20060127104540.GA27466@localhost> References: <20060127104540.GA27466@localhost> Message-ID: <200601271431.58631.cavallini@faunalia.it> Hi Bejamin. we're most interested in the petition. Could you give us more details about it? All the best. pc At 11:45, venerd? 27 gennaio 2006, Benjamin Henrion has probably written: > The Common Position of the Inspire Directive has been adopted formally > this 23 jan 2006. > > Second reading will start once announced at the next EP plenary > session. ... -- Paolo Cavallini email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From wharms at bfs.de Fri Jan 27 14:56:50 2006 From: wharms at bfs.de (walter harms) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:56:50 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] looking for viewer tiff/tfw In-Reply-To: <43D88FE7.6020504@bfs.de> References: <43D88FE7.6020504@bfs.de> Message-ID: <43DA26A2.30500@bfs.de> thx everyone for the hints, i will check the tools asap and see how well they fit into our environment. re, walter walter harms wrote: > Hi list, > i have some dvd's with tiff/tfw/eck/akt viewable with arcview. > Can anyone recommend a simple tools make the maps viewable with linux ? > (i know i can see tiff with xv) > I am aware that grass can handle them but I am not a gis expert, and > additionally the usual lack of time. > > Ultimately i need these maps as background for measurements. i know > there are some free solutions out there but i am missing background > knowledge. > any recommendations ? > > re, > walter > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > > From jo at frot.org Fri Jan 27 17:11:54 2006 From: jo at frot.org (Jo Walsh) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:11:54 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] Fw: INSPIRE Democratic Process 2/2006 Message-ID: <20060127161154.GI10000@vishnu.tridity.org> (Trying to help Benjamin with the petition today, more as it happens.) ----- Forwarded message from Christopher Corbin ----- To: EGIP If you wish to participate in the next stage of the democratic process on the proposed INSPIRE Directive then now is the time to start preparing for the second reading of the proposed INSPIRE Directive. As there is plenty of reading and thinking to be done the following is just a rough outline as a suggestion I am sure there are other ways as well which will lead to success. 1. Read the co-decision guide pages 5 through to 7 that can be downloaded from URL http://ue.eu.int/uedocs/cmsUpload/code_EN.pdf The purpose of this step is to appreciate what is allowed and what is not allowed during the second reading and then develop your lobbying strategy accordingly. 2. Read the outputs from the first reading Council (See below), Parliament, Committees and the European Commission. 3. Identify MEP's you may wish to address and think about the position that you may wish to put to them. It is important to understand the political party line rather than the MEP's views and positions. MEP's may toe the national party line that they are affiliated to. If they are affiliated to the political party in power in their country then they are likely to adopt the Member State Government line. 4. Share your views on what ever forum you are connected to and identify with to see if there is any support for your ideas - if you cannot gain consensus in your peer group then think hard about going to the politicians. 5. Consider EU and National policies that might be in conflict with any of the 1st reading positions. For example data not available for security reasons but Europe has a open skies policy, satellite imagery is available from sources outside of the EU. What is needed here is real live examples that can be referred to -0 not words - not myths - but real substance. 6. Formulate your lobbying line so that it is in the language of the politicians and presented in a way that is in tune with the key policy areas at the EU level. Time scale for the above 2 to 3 weeks - not long - especially if you wish to use techniques like a mass lobby. It is important for all data users to get involved and civil society. Share ideas on how to prepare. The objective is to reach a consensus and a positive route forward. In parallel with the above ascertain your National position and if this is documented share it irrespective of the language it is presented in - it is useful to know where to locate it. Debating your point of view amongst the GI community is great but it is the people now making the final decisions that need to be engaged. It is worth reminding oneself that politicians are by enlarge dependent upon their constituents engaging with them and providing them with information that enables them to operate effectively. In case you have not already spotted that the Council document archive has been updated with the Statement of the Council's Reasons today 27th January 2005. The document description and PDF URL is below. 12064/2/05 (6 pages) REV 2 ADD 1 Title: COMMON POSITION adopted by the Council 23 January 2006 with a view to the adoption of a Directive of the European Parliament and of the Council establishing an Infrastructure for Spatial Information in the European Community (INSPIRE) Date of document: 23-01-200 Date Archived: 27-01-06 http://register.consilium.eu.int/pdf/en/05/st12/st12064-re02ad01.en05.pdf The background documents in case you do not have them were posted to the Council Archive in November and December 2005 and can be downloaded from the following URL's. This set of documents provides an audit trail of what has been taking place with respect to the proposed INSPIRE Directive within the Council 12064/05 (40 pages) Title: COMMON POSITION adopted by the Council with a view to the adoption of a Directive of the European Parliament and of the Council establishing an Infrastructure for Spatial Information in the European Community (INSPIRE) Date of document: 18-11-2005 Date Archived: 20-11-05 http://register.consilium.eu.int/pdf/en/05/st12/st12064.en05.pdf 12064/05 (6 pages) ADD 1 Title: COMMON POSITION adopted by the Council with a view to the adoption of a Directive of the European Parliament and of the Council establishing an Infrastructure for Spatial Information in the European Community (INSPIRE) Date of document: 18-11-2005 Date Archived: 22-11-05 http://register.consilium.eu.int/pdf/en/05/st12/st12064-ad01.en05.pdf 15148/05 (2 pages) Title: Proposal for a Directive of the European Parliament and of the Council establishing an infrastructure for spatial information in the Community (INSPIRE) [first reading] Adoption of (cp + s) (a) a common position (b) a statement of the Council's reasons Date of document: 05-12-2005 Date Archived: 7-12-05 http://register.consilium.eu.int/pdf/en/05/st15/st15148.en05.pdf 15148/05 (3 pages) ADD 1 Title: Proposal for a Directive of the European Parliament and of the Council establishing an infrastructure for spatial information in the Community (INSPIRE) [first reading] Adoption (cp + s) of the common position of the statement of the Council's reasons Statements Date of document: 05-12-2005 Date Archived: 8-12-05 http://register.consilium.eu.int/pdf/en/05/st15/st15148-ad01.en05.pdf Good luck - give it a go. Chris Chris (Corbin) Brighton Sussex England Telephone: +44 (0) 1273 553110 email: corbinceh at ntlworld.com EGIP Archive: http://www.ec-gis.org/egip/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- ghug is my email archiving bot. if you see it cc'd on this email, please leave it cc'd, that will help me a lot. http://frot.org/ghug From user_meeting at saga-gis.org Mon Jan 16 16:23:46 2006 From: user_meeting at saga-gis.org (Saga User Group e.V.) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:23:46 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] First international SAGA GIS User meeting Message-ID: <200601161523.k0GFNkR8026264@geosun1.uni-geog.gwdg.de> **First international SAGA GIS User meeting.** On the 6th of July, 2006, the first international SAGA GIS User and Developer meeting will be held at the AGIT Symposium in Salzburg. http:\\www.argit.at SAGA (System for Automated Geoscientific Analyses) is a fast-spreading Open-source GIS software, with a special "Application Programming Interface" (API) for geographic data processing and a user-friendly Graphical Interface. SAGA GIS supports raster data (e.g. digital terrain models, satellite images), vector data, and tables. The global development process yields a vast amount of application opportunities and an ever-growing number of sets of geoscientific methods and analysis tools, bundled in exchangeable Module Libraries. The SAGA User Group e.V. http://www.saga-gis.org invites SAGA GIS users, developers and collaborators, as well as prospective new users and interested scientists, to attend the first international SAGA GIS User Meeting. **Call for speeches** The SAGA User Group e.V. would like to invite you for participation and speeches. Appropriate topics are: * The role of open source GIS in geosciences. * SAGA GIS in education. * SAGA GIS in applied research. * SAGA GIS in practice. The deadline for submitting a headline and/or an abstract of your presentation is February 28th, 2006. Abstracts should be not longer then 1200 characters. Submit abstracts to: user_meeting at saga-gis.org **Call for papers** In this context, the SAGA User Group e.V. are planning to publish a collection of scientific articles, dealing with different aspects of SAGA GIS and its application opportunities. We are thinking of a collection of 10 to 15 articles, published in the 'Göttinger Geographische Abhandlungen - GGA'. This GGA special issue Volume “SAGA GIS Analysis and Application” will be hand out to the participants of the AGIT 2006 in July 2006 in Salzburg and to all relevant geographical libraries in Germany. However, the preparation of the GGA volume by the publisher will take about 8 weeks, so we have to establish a deadline for paper submission not later than early may. Considering this, we would be very pleased if you are interested in submitting a paper. Each publication should be not longer than 12 pages (including all tables and figures). The page size of the GGA is 12.0 cm x 19.5 cm (Times New Roman, 10 pt). If necessary, colored artwork can be accepted. The submission of an article can be independent from the speeches. Submit abstracts to: user_meeting at saga-gis.org **Call for Sponsoring** You can maintain the "First international SAGA GIS User meeting" by sponsoring or by advertising in the "Göttinger Geographische Abhandlungen" (GGA) special issue Volume: "SAGA GIS Analysis and Application". For details see: http://www.saga-gis.org/advertisement_in_the_gga.pdf or contact the Organizers. **Conference Fee** Including coffee, refreshments, dinner, social event and conference materials. AGIT Special: SAGA GIS User meeting (July 6, 2006) 90,- EUR AGIT Special: SAGA GIS User meeting for Students (July 6, 2006) 70,- EUR AGIT Full Conference Fee July 5-7, 2006 (Early bird registration before May 18) 220,- EUR AGIT Full Conference Fee for Students July 5-7, 2006 150,- EUR **Organizers and Contact:** SAGA User Group e.V. User meeting: Mr. Andre Ringeler and Mr. Frank (Bunny) Haselein c/o Geographisches Institut der Georg August Universität Göttingen Goldschmidtstr. 5, D-37075 Göttingen Phone.: +42(0)551 398088 Fax.: +42(0)551 398005 E-Mail: user_meeting at saga-gis.org Mr. Víctor Olaya Universidad de Extremadura, Spain Tel:(+34)657539593 E-Mail: user_meeting at saga-gis.org GGA “SAGA GIS Analysis and Application”: Mr. Juergen Boehner Geographisches Institut der Georg August Universität Göttingen Goldschmidtstr. 5, D-37075 Göttingen Phone.: +42(0)551 398073 Fax.: +42(0)551 398005 E-Mail: user_meeting at saga-gis.org ---------------------German Text------------------------------------ SAGA Usergroup e.V www.saga-gis.org Der Verein ist beim Amtsgericht Göttingen registriert unter der Vereins-Register-Nr. VR 2032 und unter der StNr.: 20/206/02126 des Finanzamts Göttingen als gemeinnützig anerkannt. Spenden an den SAGA User Group e.V sind im vollen Umfange steuerlich absetzbar. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From nte_forum at hotmail.co.uk Thu Jan 19 13:18:16 2006 From: nte_forum at hotmail.co.uk (Nick Trustram Eve) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:18:16 +0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] Looking for DEM Data of the Alps Message-ID: I am a Doctoral student of archaeology at the University of York. I am trying to find high quality DEM data of the Alps to conduct some GIS analysis of the location of archaeological sites. Can anyone help? I am using ArcGIS and am particularly interested in France, Switzerland and Italy (no offence to Austria and Germany intended!). I have access to the usual SRTM data but would like something at a higher resolution. Can anyone help or offer any suggestions. I would ideally like to get it for free, but may have to pay... Many thanks, Nick Please reply to: nte_forum at hotmail.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk From gould at lsi.uji.es Fri Jan 20 09:46:07 2006 From: gould at lsi.uji.es (michael gould) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:46:07 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Fraunhofer report on Open Source Software In-Reply-To: <866C4E4F69A2474A99679CADA501120B3A73A0@ffo-exch> Message-ID: <000a01c61d9d$f4f0a380$6502a8c0@acerc49cfd35b8> Perhaps a kind German speaker could send an English summary of the conclusions, or publish an HTML version which could be Babelfished. Cheers, ------- Michael Gould Dept. Information Systems (Lenguajes y Sistemas Informaticos) Universitat Jaume I, 12071 Castell?n, Spain e-mail: gould (at) lsi.uji.es e-mail2: mgould (at) opengeospatial.org research group www.geoinfo.uji.es personal www.mgould.com Vespucci 2006 summer institute www.vespucci.org -----Mensaje original----- De: freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de [mailto:freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de] En nombre de Garand Enviado el: viernes, 20 de enero de 2006 8:46 Para: freegis-list at intevation.de Asunto: [Freegis-list] Fraunhofer report on Open Source Software Greetings! Here is a link to a newly published report on OSS (pages: 186, language: German) from the Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft: Competence Center Electronic Business - Germany ("Open Source Software:Einsatzpotenziale und Wirtschaftlichkeit) www.e-business.iao.fraunhofer.de/docs/fhg_oss-studie.pdf Any comments? Best regards, Michel Garand Stadt Frankfurt (Oder) Abteilung Stadtentwicklung > Amt f?r Strategie, Wirtschafts- und Stadtentwicklung Goepelstrasse 38, D-15234 Frankfurt (Oder), Germany Tel.: +49 (0)335 / 552-6016 Fax: +49 (0)335 / 552-6099 michel.garand at frankfurt-oder.de _______________________________________________ Freegis-list mailing list Freegis-list at intevation.de https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From emo.da at jumpy.it Sun Jan 29 16:25:10 2006 From: emo.da at jumpy.it (Davide Borelli) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:25:10 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Looking for DEM Data of the Alps References: Message-ID: <001301c624e8$3258c990$04622697@naive> Hi, for Italy you can try at Istituto Geografico Militare, they sell the most accurate DTM available for Italy at http://www.igmi.org/prodotti/dati_numerici/dati_matrix.php I don't know if there's anything for free (but I don't think so)... Bye Davide ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Trustram Eve" To: Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: [Freegis-list] Looking for DEM Data of the Alps > I am a Doctoral student of archaeology at the University of York. > > I am trying to find high quality DEM data of the Alps to conduct some GIS > analysis of the location of archaeological sites. Can anyone help? > > I am using ArcGIS and am particularly interested in France, Switzerland and > Italy (no offence to Austria and Germany intended!). > > I have access to the usual SRTM data but would like something at a higher > resolution. > > Can anyone help or offer any suggestions. I would ideally like to get it for > free, but may have to pay... > > Many thanks, > > Nick > > Please reply to: nte_forum at hotmail.co.uk > > _________________________________________________________________ > Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger > 7.5 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From werchowyna at epf.pl Sun Jan 29 19:28:03 2006 From: werchowyna at epf.pl (Maciek Sieczka) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:28:03 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Looking for DEM Data of the Alps In-Reply-To: <001301c624e8$3258c990$04622697@naive> References: <001301c624e8$3258c990$04622697@naive> Message-ID: <20060129192803.33707c3d.werchowyna@epf.pl> You could check what is the Aster coverage fot your area to see if it is possible to request a free 30m DEM derived from Aster stereo imagery http://edcimswww.cr.usgs.gov/pub/imswelcome. Note that, as well as SRTM, it will include the land cover canvas. Maciek -------------------- Szukasz do?wiadczonej firmy poligraficznej? Zale?y Ci na terminowo?ci i atrakcyjnych cenach? Zapraszamy do nas! http://www.foldruk.pl/ From raanders at acm.org Tue Jan 31 00:27:58 2006 From: raanders at acm.org (Roderick A. Anderson) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:27:58 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] Palm PDA ( Tungsten T5 ) software Message-ID: <43DEA0FE.20103@acm.org> Not strictly GIS related my next place to search after FreeGIS.org, google.com and the Palm sites. I'm looking for map display software but GPS integration would be nice for the Palm OS. I am not against paying for the software ( which goes against the list principles ) but really want the database format to be open so I can create mu own custom maps. What have I missed in my searching? Any suggestions? TIA, Rod --