From thomas at freeserv.de Thu Sep 1 15:34:12 2005 From: thomas at freeserv.de (Thomas Sebastian) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:34:12 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Where ho get geodata 4 Germany Message-ID: <43170354.8080406@freeserv.de> Hello list, i'm pretty new in working with gis. i installed the FGS-Package from maptools.org and it is working pretty good. but now i need the maps of my city ( leipzig/germany ). Now my question: does anybody have a hind where to get (open-source) maps for free ? I'm part of the Freifunk in Leipzig ( http://leipzig.freifunk.net ), and want to create a map where all our hot-spots and the network between is shown. Regarts and Thanx Thomas From jan at intevation.de Thu Sep 1 22:32:40 2005 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:32:40 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Where ho get geodata 4 Germany In-Reply-To: <43170354.8080406@freeserv.de> References: <43170354.8080406@freeserv.de> Message-ID: <20050901203240.GC13998@intevation.de> Hi Thomas, On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 03:34:12PM +0200, Thomas Sebastian wrote: > i'm pretty new in working with gis. > i installed the FGS-Package from maptools.org and it is working pretty > good. > but now i need the maps of my city ( leipzig/germany ). > Now my question: does anybody have a hind where to get (open-source) > maps for free ? > I'm part of the Freifunk in Leipzig ( http://leipzig.freifunk.net ), and > want to create a map where all our hot-spots and the network between is > shown. I am afraid, but you won't find any detailed maps for Leipzig as free data (as in Free Software). AFAIK, only for Berlin and Osnabr?ck are detailed vectordata available. Maybe you find some aerial raster images of your city, but these are usually also not free. Sometimes your find low-cost or even gratis stuff, but have a look at the licenses - you might not be allowed to publish these on the Internet. Finally, you might consider using one of those services where you use maps from somewhere else and draw your points of interest on. There are two options for this. Either you send your POIs somewhere and they are drawn on a map by some services or you find e.g. a WMS Internet resource for Leipzig, set up your own Web Mapping application and integrate the WMS resource drawing your POIs yourself onto the map. Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ Kolab Konsortium http://kolab-konsortium.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From Thomas at freeserv.de Thu Sep 1 22:41:10 2005 From: Thomas at freeserv.de (Thomas Sebastian) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:41:10 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Where ho get geodata 4 Germany In-Reply-To: <20050901203240.GC13998@intevation.de> References: <43170354.8080406@freeserv.de> <20050901203240.GC13998@intevation.de> Message-ID: <43176766.3040008@freeserv.de> Hi Jan, habe grade gemerkt das ich ja auch in deutsch schreiben kann ... :-) weil viele von hier aus germany sind... Danke erst mal f?r die antwort ... habe mir das schon gedacht das ich da probleme haben werde ... was das reinzeichnen in andere karten dienste angeht ... ist ne feine idee, wird aber sicher nichts , da ich nicht nur pois eintragen werde sondern auch live die netzwerk-verbindungen dazwischen , dazu kommen noch ein paar andere "live" werte .. ich glaube da wird sich kein anbieter finden der das kann ... ( mal ein beispiel aus berlin ( kartendaten von bbike ) --> http://olsrexperiment.de/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=48&lang=de ) Habe auch schon ?berlegt ob ich net einfach nen stadtplan einscanne und mir daraus ein svg baue... dann stellte ich mir aber die frage ob es da software f?r gibt und ob chameleon das ?berhaupt unterst?tzt ... Danke Thomas Jan-Oliver Wagner schrieb: >Hi Thomas, > >On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 03:34:12PM +0200, Thomas Sebastian wrote: > > >>i'm pretty new in working with gis. >>i installed the FGS-Package from maptools.org and it is working pretty >>good. >>but now i need the maps of my city ( leipzig/germany ). >>Now my question: does anybody have a hind where to get (open-source) >>maps for free ? >>I'm part of the Freifunk in Leipzig ( http://leipzig.freifunk.net ), and >>want to create a map where all our hot-spots and the network between is >>shown. >> >> > >I am afraid, but you won't find any detailed maps >for Leipzig as free data (as in Free Software). >AFAIK, only for Berlin and Osnabr?ck are detailed >vectordata available. >Maybe you find some aerial raster images of your city, >but these are usually also not free. Sometimes >your find low-cost or even gratis stuff, but have a look >at the licenses - you might not be allowed to publish these >on the Internet. > >Finally, you might consider using one of those services >where you use maps from somewhere else and draw your >points of interest on. There are two options for this. >Either you send your POIs somewhere and they are drawn >on a map by some services or you find e.g. a WMS Internet >resource for Leipzig, set up your own Web Mapping application >and integrate the WMS resource drawing your POIs yourself >onto the map. > >Best > > Jan > > > From ari.jolma at tkk.fi Thu Sep 8 09:14:51 2005 From: ari.jolma at tkk.fi (Ari Jolma) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:14:51 +0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] New list: geo-perl Message-ID: <431FE4EB.9030708@tkk.fi> Hello, I've created a new email list: geo-perl. My intention is that it should be used for general discussion about using Perl and developing Perl tools for geospatial information processing. A specific topic is the Geo:: namespace in CPAN. The list address is https://list.hut.fi/mailman/listinfo/geo-perl and it is a mailman list like this one. Regards, Ari -- Prof. Ari Jolma Kartografia ja Geoinformatiikka / Cartography and Geoinformatics Teknillinen Korkeakoulu / Helsinki University of Technology POBox 1200, 02015 TKK, Finland Email: ari.jolma at tkk.fi URL: http://www.tkk.fi/~jolma From ben at vterrain.org Mon Sep 12 11:15:47 2005 From: ben at vterrain.org (Ben Discoe) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:15:47 -1000 Subject: [Freegis-list] GRASS still quite far from usable In-Reply-To: <20050506161848.GI2425@thuille.itc.it> Message-ID: <20050912091556.189F736DDD@mail.intevation.de> > ----- > From: Markus Neteler [mailto:neteler at itc.it] > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 6:19 AM > > > I would like to suggest for > http://vterrain.org/Elevation/srtm.html "Tools" > the GRASS GIS software which > - reads SRTM tiles > - support reprojection, [...] Hi Markus, This evening, i tried once again to run GRASS 6.0. This time, i was able to get it to run far enough to display the "GRASS 6.0.0 GIS Manager" window. I tried to do a simple thing: import and display a Shapefile. Apparently, this was far too advanced a thing to attempt in GRASS. I was able to generate tons of cryptic errors about command-line arguments, but could not get a single line to be drawn. > Let me suggest to first start with an exting data set: Spearfish > http://grass.itc.it/download/data.php > -> SPEARFISH 6.0 data set I've tried it. Downloaded, put it in my grass_data folder, selected it at startup. GRASS opens with a window titled "GRASS 6.0.0 GIS Manager - spearfish60". Nothing is displayed in the window - not graphics, not a list of layers, nothing! I looked for, but could not find any command to Zoom All, or otherwise draw the data, in case drawing the data is something GRASS is so mind-numbingly unfriendly as to have to be TOLD to do. Giving the command "Display: Display vector maps" results only in "ERROR: Required parameter not set". Command "Display: Redraw active display" opens a blank window titled "dialog1" with nothing in it. And so on. I get the impression that rather little testing or debugging has been done with this application. > > One of these years, i wonder if i might see GRASS actually run. > Hope so! I hope so too. I really want to like GRASS. I want to see it work. I'll keep trying every few months. Do you know if anyone is porting it away from ancient X-Windows? E.g. to Qt, MFC, wxWidgets, or any other modern GUI so that normal people might actually use it? Thanks, Ben From artem at pavlenko.uklinux.net Mon Sep 12 11:48:44 2005 From: artem at pavlenko.uklinux.net (Artem Pavlenko) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:48:44 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] New Release (0.2.2a) Message-ID: <43254EFC.20205@pavlenko.uklinux.net> Hello List! Mapnik is 0.2.2a. Mapnik is an OpenSource C++/Python toolkit for developing GIS (Geographic Information Systems) applications. At the core is a C++ shared library providing algorithms/patterns for spatial data access and visualization. Main features: 1. Publication quality rendering (anti-aliasing). 2. Expressions based styling. 3. New build system (www.scons.org). 4. Better python integration. 5. Two basic tutorials (python). Best Artem Pavlenko http://mapnik.berlios.de From holl at gdf-hannover.de Mon Sep 12 16:30:00 2005 From: holl at gdf-hannover.de (Stephan Holl) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:30:00 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] [ANNOUNCE]: English GDF Hannover GRASS GIS tutorial, Version 1.2 released Message-ID: <20050912163000.54b7f542@localhost> Dear FOSS GIS users, [sorry for crossposting] GDF Hannover is proud to present the English translation of the well-known German GRASS GIS Tutorial version 1.2. The book covers an introduction to the Free Geographic Information System GRASS 6.0. It extends the available literature about GRASS 6 by aspects of installation and practical usage and offers up to date material for the use of the latest GRASS developments at the time of writing. The document focuses on the new vector functionalities, network analysis, database management systems (DBMS) and the new graphical user interface (GUI). A section about the interaction with Quantum GIS as graphical user interface is also included. It is released under GNU/FDL and available from: http://www.gdf-hannover.de/literature Best regards Your GDF Hannover -- GDF Hannover - Solutions for spatial data analysis and remote sensing Hannover Office - Mengendamm 16d - D-30177 Hannover Internet: www.gdf-hannover.de - Email: holl at gdf-hannover.de Phone : ++49-(0)511.39088507 - Fax: ++49-(0)511.39088508 From lists at webmapit.com.br Mon Sep 12 17:45:02 2005 From: lists at webmapit.com.br (Eduardo Patto Kanegae) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:45:02 -0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] [off-topic] how to "sell" GIS idea? Message-ID: <4325A27E.9060304@webmapit.com.br> Hi folks, Recently one customer asked me a hard favor: to sell GIS ideas to the president's company! For me , this is very hard to do, because "presidents" normally knows *business* language, not GIS-language or IT-languages . What we are trying to do basically is to *sell* the creation of a new department inside the company. The company is the forestry division of a pulp-n-paper brazilian insdustry. the main goal of this new proposed department is to create, test and prototype GIS solutions for the forestry day to day operations. ( and of course, my contribution here is help them to do it only using FOSS solutions... or as much as possible :-). so, HOW to do it will not be the problem. My real problem is: "how to SELL GIS benefits, but NOT using technical terms?" does anybody recommend any links or bibliography? best regards. -- Eduardo Patto Kanegae http://www.webmapit.com.br From ben at vterrain.org Mon Sep 12 22:32:12 2005 From: ben at vterrain.org (Ben Discoe) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:32:12 -1000 Subject: [Freegis-list] [ANNOUNCE]: English GDF Hannover GRASS GIS tutorial, Version 1.2 released In-Reply-To: <20050912163000.54b7f542@localhost> Message-ID: <20050912203218.CD01936DDD@mail.intevation.de> > ----- > From: Stephan Holl > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:30 AM > To: freegis-list at intevation.de > > Dear FOSS GIS users, > > GDF Hannover is proud to present the English translation of > the well-known German GRASS GIS Tutorial version 1.2. > [..] offers up to date material for the use of > the latest GRASS developments at the time of writing. > The document focuses on [..] the > new graphical user interface (GUI). Please correct me if i'm wrong, but the "GRASS GIS 6.0 Tutorial" contains a hundred pages of background material on low-level GIS capabilities of the backend, and one (1) page about the program's interface. Unless i'm missing something, how can the document be said to "[focus] on the new graphical user interface (GUI)"? That one page is: http://www.gdf-hannover.de/lit_html/grass60_v1.2_en/node37.html It consists of a screenshot and a list of (some of) the menu items(!) This one page is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a tutorial, a manual, or any kind of guide. Can anyone tell me if there are plans to actually provide documentation or a tutorial for GRASS? Thanks, Ben From neteler at itc.it Mon Sep 12 23:38:22 2005 From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:38:22 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: GRASS still quite far from usable In-Reply-To: <200509120915.j8C9Fpkk002964@mail.itc.it> References: <20050506161848.GI2425@thuille.itc.it> <200509120915.j8C9Fpkk002964@mail.itc.it> Message-ID: <20050912213822.GA6603@thuille.itc.it> Hi Ben, On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 11:15:47PM -1000, Ben Discoe wrote: > > ----- > > From: Markus Neteler [mailto:neteler at itc.it] > > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 6:19 AM > > > > > I would like to suggest for > > http://vterrain.org/Elevation/srtm.html "Tools" > > the GRASS GIS software which > > - reads SRTM tiles > > - support reprojection, [...] > > Hi Markus, > > This evening, i tried once again to run GRASS 6.0. This time, i was able to > get it to run far enough to display the "GRASS 6.0.0 GIS Manager" window. > > I tried to do a simple thing: import and display a Shapefile. Apparently, > this was far too advanced a thing to attempt in GRASS. I was able to > generate tons of cryptic errors about command-line arguments, but could not > get a single line to be drawn. Consider to post the error, otherwise I can't help much :-) > > Let me suggest to first start with an exting data set: Spearfish > > http://grass.itc.it/download/data.php > > -> SPEARFISH 6.0 data set > > I've tried it. Downloaded, put it in my grass_data folder, selected it at > startup. GRASS opens with a window titled "GRASS 6.0.0 GIS Manager - > spearfish60". Nothing is displayed in the window - not graphics, not a list > of layers, nothing! Sure. How should GRASS know which of the many maps the user wants to see? Not even ArcView starts with displaying a map but just with the user interface. Naturally the user has to select the map s/he wants to see. > I looked for, but could not find any command to Zoom There are: - in d.m: a magnifying glass symbol [1] - in d.m: a menu entry under "display" - in QGIS: a magnifying glass symbol [2] - in JAVAGRASS: a magnifying glass symbol [3] - on command line: d.zoom [1] http://grass.itc.it/grass60/screenshots/images/gismgr.jpg [2] http://grass.itc.it/grass60/screenshots/images/qgis_grass.png [3] http://grass.itc.it/grass60/screenshots/images/javagrass_spearfish.jpg > All, or otherwise draw the data, in case drawing the data is something GRASS > is so mind-numbingly unfriendly as to have to be TOLD to do. Giving the > command "Display: Display vector maps" results only in "ERROR: Required > parameter not set". Sure: how should GRASS know which map you want to see? > Command "Display: Redraw active display" opens a > blank window titled "dialog1" with nothing in it. And so on. If nothing was displayed, nothing can be redrawn. > I get the impression that rather little testing or debugging has been done > with this application. Nice joke :-) We have 1 million hits per month on grass.itc.it (and we have more than 20 mirror sites). Be sure that we have done "little" testing *and* debugging over the last 8 years. > > > One of these years, i wonder if i might see GRASS actually run. > > Hope so! > > I hope so too. I really want to like GRASS. I want to see it work. I'll > keep trying every few months. Did you consider to read documentation? I personally hate it but sometimes it helps: http://grass.itc.it/gdp/books.php http://grass.itc.it/gdp/tutorials.php > Do you know if anyone is porting it away from > ancient X-Windows? E.g. to Qt, MFC, wxWidgets, or any other modern GUI so > that normal people might actually use it? Yes, of course: http://grass.itc.it/download/addons.php -> Qt/GRASS -> QGIS & GRASS -> JAVAGRASS See also http://grass.itc.it/grass60/screenshots/gui.php > Thanks, > Ben Cheers Markus From ben at vterrain.org Tue Sep 13 00:28:44 2005 From: ben at vterrain.org (Ben Discoe) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:28:44 -1000 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: GRASS still quite far from usable Message-ID: <20050912222850.35D4036CFC@mail.intevation.de> Markus, Thanks for trying to help. > ----- > From: Markus Neteler > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:38 AM > > > was able to generate tons of cryptic errors about command-line > > arguments, but could not get a single line to be drawn. > > Consider to post the error, otherwise I can't help much :-) First, i get "ERROR: Required parameter not set." If i select my imported vector (again..) in the 'Name of input vector' field, then i get "No socket to connect to for monitor : No graphics device selected." I can almost understand having to tell GRASS which layer to draw (although it's unfriendly, i simply want to draw the data i've got, which should be obvious.) However, i don't understand GRASS having to be told that i have a monitor(?!) Is this something left over from the early 1970s when graphics output was not always available? > > GRASS opens with a window titled "GRASS 6.0.0 GIS Manager - > > spearfish60". Nothing is displayed in the window > > - not graphics, not a list of layers, nothing! > > Sure. How should GRASS know which of the many maps the user wants > to see? If i load a set of layers, it shouldn't show me what layers i've loaded? This doesn't make any sense at all. > Not even ArcView starts with displaying a map but just with the > user interface. ArcView shows you what layers exist, and as soon as you turn on a layer, it's drawn. This is really obvious and easy. > > I looked for, but could not find any command to Zoom All, or > > otherwise draw the data > > There are: > - in d.m: a magnifying glass symbol [1] I was looking for a Zoom All because i was guessing that GRASS wasn't smart enough to start the view with the full extents of the data. Now it seems that's not the problem, instead GRASS isn't even smart enough to draw the data at all until i locate some undocumented command to tell it i have a monitor. > - in d.m: a menu entry under "display" I don't find a "Display All" or "Zoom to Full Extents" command under "display". This is possibly the most common display operation in GIS, and it's mysteriously missing. > Sure: how should GRASS know which map you want to see? Because it's the map i loaded? It could at least show me what maps exist so that i could indicate which to display? > > Command "Display: Redraw active display" opens a blank window > > titled "dialog1" with nothing in it. And so on. > > I get the impression that rather little testing or debugging has > > been done with this application. > > We have 1 million hits per month on grass.itc.it That's very sad that there are so many people evaluating it when it's so broken and far from usable. Even a tiny amount of testing would turn up broken things like that empty "dialog1". > Did you consider to read documentation? If it existed, i'd love to read it. The "GRASS GIS 6.0.0 Reference Manual" is actually only a reference guide to the backend, low-level command-line programming aspect of the program. I have not found any documentation for _the GRASS application itself_. > http://grass.itc.it/gdp/books.php As mentioned in another email, one (1) page listing the menu items with a screenshot is like no documentation at all. > http://grass.itc.it/download/addons.php > -> Qt/GRASS > -> QGIS & GRASS > -> JAVAGRASS Those are APIs for programmers. I'm talking about an actual GIS application intended for use by GIS users. Isn't anyone considering that? -Ben From napoogle at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 09:19:14 2005 From: napoogle at gmail.com (Napo) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:19:14 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Tutorial: how to create a color raster from landsat7 imagery Message-ID: <49456d740509130019268a8c21@mail.gmail.com> Found today on my RSS aggregator :) http://www.itopen.it/2005/09/12/how-to-create-a-color-raster-from-landsat-7-imagery/ From neteler at itc.it Tue Sep 13 10:48:53 2005 From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:48:53 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: GRASS still quite far from usable In-Reply-To: <200509122227.j8CMROwK008133@mail.itc.it> References: <20050912213822.GA6603@thuille.itc.it> <200509122227.j8CMROwK008133@mail.itc.it> Message-ID: <20050913084853.GB9868@thuille.itc.it> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 12:27:14PM -1000, Ben Discoe wrote: > Markus, > > Thanks for trying to help. > > > ----- > > From: Markus Neteler > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:38 AM > > > > > was able to generate tons of cryptic errors about command-line > > > arguments, but could not get a single line to be drawn. > > > > Consider to post the error, otherwise I can't help much :-) > > First, i get "ERROR: Required parameter not set." If i select my > imported vector (again..) in the 'Name of input vector' field, then i get > "No socket to connect to for monitor : No graphics device selected. The last message means that you have to select a graphics device (which can be a GRASS monitor, the PNG output etc). The d.mon command will help you (select x0 for example). Or: use the d.m GIS manager which will *automatically* open a monitor. > I can almost understand having to tell GRASS which layer to draw (although > it's unfriendly, i simply want to draw the data i've got, which should be > obvious.) It's not always obvious: if you have 1-thousands of maps in your mapset, which one to draw? In many computer software programs which can operate with several input files (alias maps), the user has to choose or has to define a rule how to choose (alias script programming). > However, i don't understand GRASS having to be told that i have a > monitor(?!) Again, use the d.m GIS mananger (which is *automatically* opened when starting GRASS with a location). Or use QGIS or use JAVAGRASS or ... > Is this something left over from the early 1970s when graphics > output was not always available? In fact the "GRASS monitor" is the graphics output (exists since the early 1980s). > > > GRASS opens with a window titled "GRASS 6.0.0 GIS > > > Manager - spearfish60". Nothing is displayed in the window > > > - not graphics, not a list of layers, nothing! > > > > Sure. How should GRASS know which of the many maps the user > > wants to see? > > If i load a set of layers, it shouldn't show me what layers i've loaded? > This doesn't make any sense at all. I think it does... > > Not even ArcView starts with displaying a map > > but just with the user interface. > > ArcView shows you what layers exist, GRASS does the same. > and as soon as you turn on a layer, > it's drawn. This is really obvious and easy. Same thing in the GIS manager, in QGIS, in JAVAGRASS. > > > I looked for, but could not find any command to Zoom > > > All, or otherwise draw the data > > > > There are: > > - in d.m: a magnifying glass symbol [1] > > I was looking for a Zoom All because i was guessing that GRASS wasn't smart > enough to start the view with the full extents of the data. This is intentionally. The GIS cannot know which part of the map should be shown. To always auto-zoom to the full extend doesn't make much sense if you work in a subset of the area. > Now it seems > that's not the problem, instead GRASS isn't even smart enough to draw the > data at all until i locate some undocumented command to tell it i have a > monitor. :-) > > - in d.m: a menu entry under "display" > > I don't find a "Display All" or "Zoom to Full Extents" command under > "display". This is possibly the most common display operation in GIS, and > it's mysteriously missing. http://mpa.itc.it/markus/osg05/ > > Sure: how should GRASS know which map you want to see? > > Because it's the map i loaded? It could at least show me what maps exist so > that i could indicate which to display? Then hit the magic button which shows what maps exist. > > > Command "Display: Redraw active display" opens a blank > > > window titled "dialog1" with nothing in it. And so on. > > > I get the impression that rather little testing or > > > debugging has been done with this application. > > > > We have 1 million hits per month on grass.itc.it > > That's very sad that there are so many people evaluating it when it's so > broken and far from usable. You won't believe it, there are even thousands of *users*... > Even a tiny amount of testing would turn up > broken things like that empty "dialog1". > > > Did you consider to read documentation? > > If it existed, i'd love to read it. The "GRASS GIS 6.0.0 Reference Manual" > is actually only a reference guide to the backend, low-level command-line > programming aspect of the program. I have not found any documentation for > _the GRASS application itself_. Well, then I cannot help much. > > http://grass.itc.it/gdp/books.php > > As mentioned in another email, one (1) page listing the menu items with a > screenshot is like no documentation at all. Here are some more slides: http://mpa.itc.it/markus/osg05/ Slides (English): OSG'05 GRASS Workshop slides (3.4MB PDF) Enjoy pages 15 to 18. > > http://grass.itc.it/download/addons.php > > -> Qt/GRASS > > -> QGIS & GRASS > > -> JAVAGRASS > > Those are APIs for programmers. This indicates that you only looked at the first link. > I'm talking about an actual GIS application > intended for use by GIS users. Isn't anyone considering that? Yes, many of us. And thousands are already using it. Maybe I am missing the point here. Markus > -Ben > From cholmes at openplans.org Tue Sep 13 15:58:00 2005 From: cholmes at openplans.org (Chris Holmes) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:58:00 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: [off-topic] how to "sell" GIS idea? In-Reply-To: <20050913084902.37B21101F11@lists.intevation.de> References: <20050913084902.37B21101F11@lists.intevation.de> Message-ID: <1126619880.4326dae89df93@webmail.limegroup.com> > Hi folks, > Recently one customer asked me a hard favor: to sell GIS ideas to the > president's company! > For me , this is very hard to do, because "presidents" normally knows > *business* language, not GIS-language > or IT-languages . > What we are trying to do basically is to *sell* the creation of a new > department inside the company. The company > is the forestry division of a pulp-n-paper brazilian insdustry. Hmmm... This sounds like they're cutting down trees? And you want them to be able cut down trees more effectively? Unless they're planting all their own trees, FSC-certified, instead of stripping the amazon, I'd consider intentionally botching this one. If you do really want to go forward, or if this is some super enlightened sustainably oriented pulp and paper company, you probably don't need to look much further than ESRI's website and marketing materials - I imagine they've mastered how to sell GIS, putting it in language non-tech people will understand. Chris ---------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: https://webmail.limegroup.com/ From bernhard at intevation.de Thu Sep 15 11:16:41 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:16:41 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] [off-topic] how to "sell" GIS idea? In-Reply-To: <4325A27E.9060304@webmapit.com.br> References: <4325A27E.9060304@webmapit.com.br> Message-ID: <20050915091641.GB9142@intevation.de> Am 12. Sep 2005 um 12:45:02 schrieb Eduardo Patto Kanegae: > Recently one customer asked me a hard favor: to sell GIS ideas to the > president's company! > the main goal of this new proposed department is > to create, test and prototype GIS solutions for the forestry day to day > operations. > My real problem is: "how to SELL GIS benefits, but NOT using technical > terms?" > > does anybody recommend any links or bibliography? In my experience you can use general literature on how sales work. It has to provide a benefit to the person you are selling to. For companies this means: financial benefits and return on investment, as by robustness of the software, less cost of processes, flexibility or vision of improved or new ways to do business. The rule of thumb is that Free Software will save 30% of the total cost of operation in the mid or long run. It also gives more flexibility. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sep 2005 um 10:32:12 schrieb Ben Discoe: > > From: Stephan Holl > > GDF Hannover is proud to present the English translation of > > the well-known German GRASS GIS Tutorial version 1.2. > > The document focuses on [..] the > > new graphical user interface (GUI). > Please correct me if i'm wrong, but the "GRASS GIS 6.0 Tutorial" contains a > hundred pages of background material on low-level GIS capabilities of the > backend, and one (1) page about the program's interface. Unless i'm missing > something, how can the document be said to "[focus] on the new graphical > user interface (GUI)"? You are missing the whole section 18 which is a few more pages. I think that the announcement meant that the update of the document had a focus on those new section. > Can anyone tell me if there are plans to actually provide documentation or a > tutorial for GRASS? Note that many GIS users really like the command line interface, because it is much simple to teach, learn and combine for powerful applications that involve repetitive tasks. There is quite some material available from the GRASS project itself, I admitt it varies in quality: http://grass.itc.it/gdp/tutorials.php Just more people are needed. If you like what GDF does you can support them by ordering a printed copy of the Tutorial or contract them. So many people pay for proprietary software offerings, we need to get some money into the commercial Free Software business. This way we can employ more people to write even better tutorial materials. (Disclosure: My company Intevation also earns money with Free GIS software.) Best, Bernhard -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) Experts for web based GIS! 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Sep 2005 um 22:41:10 schrieb Thomas Sebastian: > habe grade gemerkt das ich ja auch in deutsch schreiben kann ... :-) > weil viele von hier aus germany sind... usually it is still better to write in English so that the international people can participate. > Habe auch schon ?berlegt ob ich net einfach nen stadtplan einscanne und > mir daraus ein svg baue... dann stellte ich mir aber die frage ob es da > software f?r gibt und ob chameleon das ?berhaupt unterst?tzt ... [Rough translation: I also thought about just scanning in a city map and build an svg out of it.. but then there is the question, if there is software for this task and if chameleon support this... ] We did http://frida.intevation.org/ with GRASS doing online digitising from air photographs with 16 cm resolution. Transforming the data to something like svg can always be done later. Note to get data that you have the full right on, you will need to use more than just one independent data source. Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050915/4e74b394/attachment.bin From bernhard at intevation.de Thu Sep 15 11:36:53 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:36:53 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] OGC-compliant requests in XML format In-Reply-To: <56452.141.91.240.140.1124883905.squirrel@mail.lat-lon.de> References: <285341241@web.de> <56452.141.91.240.140.1124883905.squirrel@mail.lat-lon.de> Message-ID: <20050915093653.GE9142@intevation.de> Am 24. Aug 2005 um 13:45:05 schrieb Markus M?ller: > hmm, easier than deeJUMP? ;-) > > deeJUMP is pretty easy to install - you only need a Java SDK. As this list is about Free Software clients, make sure that you are aware of the Java Trap: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html I do not know the last current status, but a Free Software Java stack might not be enough for deeJUMP. And Sun's Java SDK is unfree. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050915/6925e5b4/attachment.bin From gould at lsi.uji.es Thu Sep 15 11:27:48 2005 From: gould at lsi.uji.es (Michael Gould Carlson) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:27:48 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] [off-topic] how to "sell" GIS idea? In-Reply-To: <20050915091641.GB9142@intevation.de> References: <4325A27E.9060304@webmapit.com.br> <20050915091641.GB9142@intevation.de> Message-ID: <1126776468.43293e940bcb8@webmail.uji.es> Is that TCO rule-of-thumb backed up by hard data? :-) The flexibility (and freedom) argument is easier to easier to accept without data. M Gould Mensaje citado por Bernhard Reiter : > Am 12. Sep 2005 um 12:45:02 schrieb Eduardo Patto Kanegae: > > Recently one customer asked me a hard favor: to sell GIS ideas to the > > president's company! > > > the main goal of this new proposed department is > > to create, test and prototype GIS solutions for the forestry day to day > > operations. > > > My real problem is: "how to SELL GIS benefits, but NOT using technical > > terms?" > > > > does anybody recommend any links or bibliography? > > In my experience you can use general literature on how sales work. > It has to provide a benefit to the person you are selling to. > For companies this means: financial benefits and return on investment, > as by robustness of the software, less cost of processes, flexibility > or vision of improved or new ways to do business. > > The rule of thumb is that Free Software will save 30% of the total > cost of operation in the mid or long run. > It also gives more flexibility. > From dassau at gdf-hannover.de Thu Sep 15 12:09:57 2005 From: dassau at gdf-hannover.de (Otto Dassau) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:09:57 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] [ANNOUNCE]: English GDF Hannover GRASS GIS tutorial, Version 1.2 released In-Reply-To: <20050915092439.GC9142@intevation.de> References: <20050912163000.54b7f542@localhost> <20050912203218.CD01936DDD@mail.intevation.de> <20050915092439.GC9142@intevation.de> Message-ID: <200509151209.58026.dassau@gdf-hannover.de> Am Donnerstag, 15. September 2005 11:24 schrieb Bernhard Reiter: > Hi Ben, Hi, > Am 12. Sep 2005 um 10:32:12 schrieb Ben Discoe: > > > From: Stephan Holl [...] > > Can anyone tell me if there are plans to actually provide documentation > > or a tutorial for GRASS? > > Note that many GIS users really like the command line interface, > because it is much simple to teach, learn and combine for powerful > applications that involve repetitive tasks. > > There is quite some material available from the GRASS project itself, > I admitt it varies in quality: http://grass.itc.it/gdp/tutorials.php > > Just more people are needed. If you like what GDF does you can support > them by ordering a printed copy of the Tutorial or contract them. > So many people pay for proprietary software offerings, > we need to get some money into the commercial Free Software business. > This way we can employ more people to write even better tutorial materials. > (Disclosure: My company Intevation also earns money with Free GIS > software.) Ben, it is just great to see, how much energy you already spent to think about possible improvements of GRASS and its documentation. A critical look from the outside is always helpful! In my opinion your next step now should be to put your ideas and comments into practice and help to make GRASS GIS a better software with a user-friendly documentation. As Bernhard mentioned, a financial support or your man power would be fantastic. We and probably others on this list would be thankful and I am sure it would not be a problem to find a way to integrate your help or your money in the GRASS Project. best, Otto > Best, > Bernhard -- GDF Hannover - Solutions for spatial data analysis and remote sensing Office Hannover - Mengendamm 16d - D - 30177 Hannover Internet: www.gdf-hannover.de, Email: info at gdf-hannover.de Phone : ++49.(0)511.39088507, Fax: ++49.(0)511.39088508 From bernhard at intevation.de Thu Sep 15 12:29:38 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:29:38 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] [off-topic] how to "sell" GIS idea? In-Reply-To: <1126776468.43293e940bcb8@webmail.uji.es> References: <4325A27E.9060304@webmapit.com.br> <20050915091641.GB9142@intevation.de> <1126776468.43293e940bcb8@webmail.uji.es> Message-ID: <20050915102938.GG9142@intevation.de> Am 15. Sep 2005 um 11:27:48 schrieb Michael Gould Carlson: > Is that TCO rule-of-thumb backed up by hard data? :-) Yes. http://www.dwheeler.com/oss_fs_why.html#tco And there are also good reasons why this is the case. http://www.members.optushome.com.au/brendanscott/papers/freesoftwaretco150702.html > The flexibility (and freedom) argument is easier to easier to accept without > data. It is even more easy to accept with data. ;) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We can certainly reach them via the FSFE. So any takers? Best, Bernhard -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) Experts for web based GIS! In business since 1999: http://intevation.net/services/gis/webgis.en.html Pay for FreeGIS if you like it: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Improved access to WMS and new service for WCS (Open Geospatial Consortium services for accessing to geospatial information); new functionalities on reading and writing file formats; table access; new map composition possibilities such as exporting to PDF, element rotation, or inserting SVG files; and more layer and legend management tools. There are new functionalities pointing to the development of a module for raster analysis, currently referring to the capability of reading and writing in raster formats and accessing to their features and editing them. Further information about the new features can be found in the release notes at the project webpage. Towards the project?s internationalization The official webpage, traditionally available in Valencian and Spanish, the two official languages of the Comunitat Valenciana, is now also available in English. The goal is to enlarge the scope. In order to do this a new mailing list have been created for the non-Spanish speakers with the English as the main language to a chance of organize and grow up to the gvSIG?s users and developers. In the other hand, support for several new languages has been added, please check out if your language is supported. The internationalization is one of our priorities. Our purpose is to keep a group of collaborators in this area that help us to keep gvSIG easily accessible for everyone. Installation aid Thanks to gvSIG user?s community, we have learnt that it was too complicated to install. In this new version we have improved this issue. Now gvSIG is supplied together to an installation program. It is not finished yet and it will be improved in next releases. The installer used in this version is IzPack, a free installer whose home page is: http://www.izforge.com/izpack More documentation available New information and references are being added to the project?s webpage. Thus, you?ll find a new section describing a protocol for the spatial metadata generation, and the presentations of gvSIG that we have done from the beginning of this project. In the FREE CARTOGRAPHY section, we have included a list of WMS servers that have available cartography. Our intention is to publish free accessible, interesting, and multiplatform information. We will not publish information that works in a unique OS or browser. In summary We?d like every effort done by the gvSIG team be useful for all of you and to give our contribution to the building of a scenario where multiple efforts can meet. So, all the community can take benefit of them. Mario Carrera Rodr?guez Grupo SIG-CAD / gvSIG Servicio de Organizaci?n e Inform?tica Conselleria d'Infraestructures i Transport Generalitat Valenciana Valencia (Espa?a) From gould at lsi.uji.es Thu Sep 15 16:31:39 2005 From: gould at lsi.uji.es (Michael Gould Carlson) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:31:39 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] gvSIG, the free-software GIS of the Valencian Government, announces new release In-Reply-To: <1126793304.43298058cb91e@webmail.gva.es> References: <1126793304.43298058cb91e@webmail.gva.es> Message-ID: <1126794699.432985cb49371@webmail.uji.es> Hey guys, the oft-requested English documentation for gvSIG project is finally here!! Now you need to get involved, send suggestions/criticism, build on the code... The software is looking really nice, growing to become a sort of general purpose SDI client. cheers, Mike Gould Mensaje citado por Mario Carrera : > > gvSIG, the free-software GIS of the Valencian Government, announces new > release > > gvSIG team is proud to announce that the new version, 0.4, is out and > available > for download from the project?s official web page sponsored by the > Conselleria > d?Infraestructures i Transport, http://www.gvsig.gva.es. > > Our free GNU/GPL licensed project, publishes a new version with a lot of new > features. Improved access to WMS and new service for WCS (Open Geospatial > Consortium services for accessing to geospatial information); new > functionalities on reading and writing file formats; table access; new map > composition possibilities such as exporting to PDF, element rotation, or > inserting SVG files; and more layer and legend management tools. > > There are new functionalities pointing to the development of a module for > raster > analysis, currently referring to the capability of reading and writing in > raster formats and accessing to their features and editing them. > > Further information about the new features can be found in the release notes > at > the project webpage. > > Towards the project?s internationalization > > The official webpage, traditionally available in Valencian and Spanish, the > two > official languages of the Comunitat Valenciana, is now also available in > English. The goal is to enlarge the scope. In order to do this a new mailing > list have been created for the non-Spanish speakers with the English as the > main language to a chance of organize and grow up to the gvSIG?s users and > developers. > > In the other hand, support for several new languages has been added, please > check out if your language is supported. The internationalization is one of > our > priorities. Our purpose is to keep a group of collaborators in this area > that > help us to keep gvSIG easily accessible for everyone. > > Installation aid > > Thanks to gvSIG user?s community, we have learnt that it was too complicated > to > install. In this new version we have improved this issue. Now gvSIG is > supplied > together to an installation program. It is not finished yet and it will be > improved in next releases. > > The installer used in this version is IzPack, a free installer whose home > page > is: http://www.izforge.com/izpack > > More documentation available > > New information and references are being added to the project?s webpage. > Thus, > you?ll find a new section describing a protocol for the spatial metadata > generation, and the presentations of gvSIG that we have done from the > beginning > of this project. > > In the FREE CARTOGRAPHY section, we have included a list of WMS servers that > have available cartography. > > Our intention is to publish free accessible, interesting, and multiplatform > information. We will not publish information that works in a unique OS or > browser. > > In summary > > We?d like every effort done by the gvSIG team be useful for all of you and > to > give our contribution to the building of a scenario where multiple efforts > can > meet. So, all the community can take benefit of them. > > > > Mario Carrera Rodr?guez > Grupo SIG-CAD / gvSIG > Servicio de Organizaci?n e Inform?tica > Conselleria d'Infraestructures i Transport > Generalitat Valenciana > Valencia (Espa?a) > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > From cavallini at faunalia.it Thu Sep 15 18:10:06 2005 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:10:06 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] GRASS still quite far from usable In-Reply-To: <20050912091556.189F736DDD@mail.intevation.de> References: <20050912091556.189F736DDD@mail.intevation.de> Message-ID: <200509151810.07094.cavallini@faunalia.it> Hi all. It would be easy to overlook such critiques, but I think there is an element of truth we should take seriously. I recently introduced FreeGIS stuff to people with average to good experience with proprietary GIS, but no idea about free software. In short: everybody liked qgis, nobody felt very confortable with grass (the oldest among them recalled their early days with ArcInfo...). My view: the good way to go is to seamlessly integrate QGIS as a frontend to GRASS. Older users feel more confortable with the command line and the tcltk menus, but new ones are scared by these. All the best. pc At 11:15, luned? 12 settembre 2005, Ben Discoe has probably written: > > Hi Markus, > > This evening, i tried once again to run GRASS 6.0. This time, i was able > to get it to run far enough to display the "GRASS 6.0.0 GIS Manager" > window. ... -- Paolo Cavallini cavallini at faunalia.it cavallini at jabber.org www.faunalia.it Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From artem at pavlenko.uklinux.net Thu Sep 15 21:34:58 2005 From: artem at pavlenko.uklinux.net (Artem Pavlenko) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:34:58 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] GRASS still quite far from usable In-Reply-To: <200509151810.07094.cavallini@faunalia.it> References: <20050912091556.189F736DDD@mail.intevation.de> <200509151810.07094.cavallini@faunalia.it> Message-ID: <4329CCE2.3030404@pavlenko.uklinux.net> Dear List, Regarding the recent discussion about GRASS, I feel the time is right for some positive changes. Just like Ben Discoe, over the years I have tried to like GRASS and it always failed me and I gave up. I was left with a feeling that I was somehow not 'smart' enough to use it. I felt there was a 'conspiracy' around it of some sort. I felt there must be some secret manuals or shortcut keys that one can use to start the powerful user interface, but no luck:( I'm very passionate about Free Software and it is painful for me to see, year after year, GRASS taking the same old arrogant 'command-line' stance, while at the same time miserably failing potential users all over the world. Surely, this can only serve proprietary software companies, who have an easy ride by using the 'GRASS way' as a way to scare hell out of the poor GIS user in no time. If it baffles developers, imagine how these users must feel. I think something urgent needs to be done. I do believe that there must be lots of goodies deep inside GRASS just waiting to come out. I'd like to see GRASS become a success story. I'd like to use GRASS in my everyday work. I'd like to be able to recommend GRASS to everyone. But I also believe time is ticking. Best Artem Pavlenko http://mapnik.berlios.de Paolo Cavallini wrote: >Hi all. >It would be easy to overlook such critiques, but I think there is an element >of truth we should take seriously. I recently introduced FreeGIS stuff to >people with average to good experience with proprietary GIS, but no idea >about free software. In short: everybody liked qgis, nobody felt very >confortable with grass (the oldest among them recalled their early days with >ArcInfo...). >My view: the good way to go is to seamlessly integrate QGIS as a frontend to >GRASS. Older users feel more confortable with the command line and the tcltk >menus, but new ones are scared by these. >All the best. >pc > >At 11:15, luned? 12 settembre 2005, Ben Discoe has probably written: > > >>Hi Markus, >> >>This evening, i tried once again to run GRASS 6.0. This time, i was able >>to get it to run far enough to display the "GRASS 6.0.0 GIS Manager" >>window. >> >> >... > > From cavallini at faunalia.it Thu Sep 15 22:03:43 2005 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:03:43 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] GRASS still quite far from usable In-Reply-To: <4329CCE2.3030404@pavlenko.uklinux.net> References: <20050912091556.189F736DDD@mail.intevation.de> <200509151810.07094.cavallini@faunalia.it> <4329CCE2.3030404@pavlenko.uklinux.net> Message-ID: <200509152203.43726.cavallini@faunalia.it> You have the choice: use qgis with the grass plugin. You cannot (still) do all what you can do from the command line, but what you *can* do is easy and smooth. And, if you want to add further grass commands you need, that is very easy. All the best. pc At 21:34, gioved? 15 settembre 2005, Artem Pavlenko has probably written: > Dear List, > > Regarding the recent discussion about GRASS, I feel the time is right > for some positive changes. Just like Ben Discoe, over the years I have > tried to like GRASS and it always failed me and I gave up. I was left > with a feeling that I was somehow not 'smart' enough to use it. I felt > there was a 'conspiracy' around it of some sort. I felt there must be > some secret manuals or shortcut keys that one can use to start the > powerful user interface, but no luck:( > > I'm very passionate about Free Software and it is painful for me to see, > year after year, GRASS taking the same old arrogant 'command-line' > stance, while at the same time miserably failing potential users all > over the world. Surely, this can only serve proprietary software > companies, who have an easy ride by using the 'GRASS way' as a way to > scare hell out of the poor GIS user in no time. If it baffles > developers, imagine how these users must feel. > > I think something urgent needs to be done. I do believe that there must > be lots of goodies deep inside GRASS just waiting to come out. I'd like > to see GRASS become a success story. I'd like to use GRASS in my > everyday work. I'd like to be able to recommend GRASS to everyone. But I > also believe time is ticking. > > Best > Artem Pavlenko > http://mapnik.berlios.de -- Paolo Cavallini cavallini at faunalia.it cavallini at jabber.org www.faunalia.it Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From carlos.grohmann at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 00:32:10 2005 From: carlos.grohmann at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_=22Gu=E2no=22_Grohmann?=) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:32:10 +0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] ossim in gentoo linux Message-ID: Does anyone managed to install OSSIM in gentoo linux? I tried, ossim installed, but ossim_qt (imagelinker), didn't. thanks for help Carlos -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Carlos Henrique Grohmann - Guano Geologist M.Sc - Doctorate Student at IGc-USP - Brazil Linux User #89721 - carlos dot grohmann at gmail dot com +-----------------------------------------------------------+ From js.berry at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 07:31:01 2005 From: js.berry at gmail.com (Joseph Berry) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:31:01 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Swiss Law proposal, can be commented In-Reply-To: <20050915103253.GH9142@intevation.de> References: <20050915103253.GH9142@intevation.de> Message-ID: <682f26e205091522315448ab94@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm swiss but don't know German French etc. so if it helps let me know sephi On 9/15/05, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > In Switzerland there is a proposal for new federal law about geo data. > One link where I found information about it in German, French and Italien is: > http://www.swisstopo.ch/pub/down/basics/law/ > > The Swiss procedure allows all interested parties to comment. > For this proposal the comment period is until end of November. > > If someone from the FreeGIS community has time, > we could read, analyse and then comment this proposal from the Free Software > and free data perspective. We then just need a few friends in Switzerland > to submit the comments. We can certainly reach them via the FSFE. > > So any takers? > > Best, > Bernhard > > -- > Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) > Experts for web based GIS! In business since 1999: > http://intevation.net/services/gis/webgis.en.html > Pay for FreeGIS if you like it: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > > -- *********************************************** Joseph (Sephi) Berry GIS Analyst MSc. BSc. Mobile: +972-(0)52-8611919 From cavallini at faunalia.it Fri Sep 16 07:58:02 2005 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:58:02 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Arab map Message-ID: <200509160758.03797.cavallini@faunalia.it> Hi all. I have recently participated to the Arab map conference (http://www.ngisc.gov.eg/) where I have given a short course on freegis. The good news is that the whole open source/free gis raised an enormous interest from all sides (users, developers, and institutions). A few pictures (not necessarily interesting) here: http://www.faunalia.it/photo/arabmap/ You can probably spot the spearfish dataset on qgis. Thanks to all who made this possible. pc -- Paolo Cavallini cavallini at faunalia.it cavallini at jabber.org www.faunalia.it Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From imissgema at hotmail.com Fri Sep 16 21:14:23 2005 From: imissgema at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?uLUgwek=?=) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:14:23 +0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] some basic questions related with GIS-KNOPPIX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi,everyone, I'm new here. interested with the GIS-KNOPPIX. some basic questions to ask :) • What kind of data has to be available? • What kind of knowledge is necessary to run the software and the application? • What additional requirements exist? Thanks a million before hand!! Best Regard, Lynn From jkjefferies at gmpexpress.net Wed Sep 21 00:51:24 2005 From: jkjefferies at gmpexpress.net (Kent) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:51:24 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] Reading VMAP data Message-ID: <4330926C.9060405@gmpexpress.net> Frank, I'm fairly new to the GIS arena. Where can I get a copy of the unsupported "nimause" app? Thanks, Kent From pi at sourcepole.ch Sat Sep 17 17:43:22 2005 From: pi at sourcepole.ch (Pirmin Kalberer) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:43:22 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] some basic questions related with GIS-KNOPPIX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200509171743.22672.pi@sourcepole.ch> Hi Lynn, GIS-Knoppix is a bootable Linux CD with pre-installed GIS software. It contains test data and the Grass Spearfish dataset. There is a help page with the first steps for many of the installed programs. For more info: http://www.sourcepole.com/gis-knoppix/index.xml Regards Pirmin NB: This list is about free GIS software and data in general. For specific questions about GIS-Knoppix you can contact me off-list. -- Pirmin Kalberer Sourcepole - Linux & Open Source Solutions http://www.sourcepole.com Am Freitag, 16. September 2005 21.14 schrieb ? ?: > Hi,everyone, > I'm new here. > interested with the GIS-KNOPPIX. > some basic questions to ask :) > > ? What kind of data has to be available? > ? What kind of knowledge is necessary to run the software and the > application? > ? What additional requirements exist? > > > Thanks a million before hand!! > > Best Regard, > Lynn > From rdeslignes at silicon-worlds.fr Wed Sep 21 12:20:03 2005 From: rdeslignes at silicon-worlds.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9my_Deslignes?=) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:20:03 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] stereo -> DEM generation Message-ID: <433133D3.3080605@silicon-worlds.fr> Hello, I am trying to create a DEM from a stereo pair of orthorectified images. Does anyone here knows a (preferably) free software or piece of code that could do such computation ? Thanks for ANY help !! Remy -- Remy Deslignes Ingenieur Developement / Software Engineer Tel: +33 (0)1.53.90.11.19 =========================================== Silicon Worlds S.A. 12, rue de Chatillon 75014 Paris France Tel: +33 (0)1.53.90.11.11 Fax: +33 (0)1.53.90.11.12 http://www.silicon-worlds.fr =========================================== From warmerdam at pobox.com Wed Sep 21 16:04:46 2005 From: warmerdam at pobox.com (Frank Warmerdam) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:04:46 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] Reading VMAP data In-Reply-To: <4330926C.9060405@gmpexpress.net> References: <4330926C.9060405@gmpexpress.net> Message-ID: <931f8ea905092107044ee095c3@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/05, Kent wrote: > Frank, > > I'm fairly new to the GIS arena. Where can I get a copy of the > unsupported "nimause" app? Kent, That's a good question. I don't know off hand. I see I have an old copy of what appears to be Solaris binaries for it, and the source. But I think google will have to be your friend on this search. My vague understanding was that NIMA (now NGA) was no longer supporting NIMAMUSE and may not have it available for download. I would add there are other options for reading VPF data, such as the OGDI library, or OGR-on-OGDI. Contact me directly if you would like some info on this. Best regards, -- ---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam at pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent From mrekola at acev.fi Wed Sep 21 17:38:46 2005 From: mrekola at acev.fi (Mikael Rekola) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:38:46 +0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] Reading VMAP data In-Reply-To: Message from Frank Warmerdam of "Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:04:46 EDT." <931f8ea905092107044ee095c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4330926C.9060405@gmpexpress.net> <931f8ea905092107044ee095c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Nimamuse used to be available at http://earth-info.nga.mil/geospatial/SW_TOOLS/NIMAMUSE/dist/ but currently the site seems to be broken. Still, if you need the Windows binaries you can download the following file: http://earth-info.nga.mil/geospatial/SW_TOOLS/NIMAMUSE/dist/exec/win/nmm21332.exe I haven't tried it though.. -- Mikael Rekola Frank Warmerdam wrote: > On 9/20/05, Kent wrote: > > Frank, > > > > I'm fairly new to the GIS arena. Where can I get a copy of the > > unsupported "nimause" app? > > Kent, > > That's a good question. I don't know off hand. I see I have > an old copy of what appears to be Solaris binaries for it, and > the source. But I think google will have to be your friend on this > search. My vague understanding was that NIMA (now NGA) > was no longer supporting NIMAMUSE and may not have it > available for download. > > I would add there are other options for reading VPF data, > such as the OGDI library, or OGR-on-OGDI. Contact me > directly if you would like some info on this. > > Best regards, > > -- > ---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- > I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam at pobox.com > light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam > and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From dmccoy at cityofsacramento.org Wed Sep 21 18:24:35 2005 From: dmccoy at cityofsacramento.org (Dan McCoy) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:24:35 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] Katrina maps and photos via open source tools Message-ID: Ran across this article today: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/7807 Dan From editor at gisuser.com Wed Sep 21 19:53:12 2005 From: editor at gisuser.com (GISuser.com - Glenn) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:53:12 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] Katrina maps and photos via open source tools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001c01c5bed5$5601b0b0$0202a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> FYI, You might be interested in a special article we just published today from the crew involved in the GIScorps response in MS.. Pretty interesting. See gisuser.com for the article glenn \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Glenn Letham Founder, Managing Editor www.GISUser.com editor at gisuser.com Spatial Media LLC ph/fx: (250) 751-8737 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > -----Original Message----- > From: freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de > [mailto:freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de] On Behalf Of Dan McCoy > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:25 AM > To: freegis-list at intevation.de > Subject: [Freegis-list] Katrina maps and photos via open source tools > > > Ran across this article today: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/7807 > > > > Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis> -list > > From lists at nabble.com Wed Sep 21 20:23:36 2005 From: lists at nabble.com (kooto (sent by Nabble.com)) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Reading VMAP data In-Reply-To: <4330926C.9060405@gmpexpress.net> References: <4330926C.9060405@gmpexpress.net> Message-ID: <922446.post@talk.nabble.com> Here is another thread that may be of interest: http://www.nabble.com/-GRASSLIST%3A7022-VMAP-to-SHAPE-t52603.html#a158374 You can ask the users in that thread further questions. Also, you can search the GIS forum here: http://www.nabble.com/GIS-f1188.html -- Sent from the FreeGIS forum at Nabble.com: http://www.nabble.com/Reading-VMAP-data-t329395.html#a922446 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050921/57daaf46/attachment.html From bthoen at gisnet.com Thu Sep 22 04:01:24 2005 From: bthoen at gisnet.com (Bill Thoen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:01:24 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Freegis-list] Katrina maps and photos via open source tools In-Reply-To: <001c01c5bed5$5601b0b0$0202a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, GISuser.com - Glenn wrote: > You might be interested in a special article we just published today > from the crew involved in the GIScorps response in MS.. Pretty > interesting. See gisuser.com for the article The GISCorps thing was all ESRI, and from your article it doesn't look like open source tools were used much at all. When the call went out from GISCorps for the 20 GIS/GPS experts they needed, they specifically said you had to have ArcGIS 9 loaded on your laptop. It seems to me that depending on one source of software for emergency response is a poor policy. For one thing you cut out a lot of alternative expertise (especially when you want volunteers), and for another you risk encountering a serious bug in your one-source software, or in the case of responding to an emergency caused by a terrorist attack, any terrorist who does a little research is not going to miss an opportunity to also try an attack on a single-source software package used by the responders. In fact, I've recently learned that there is such a serious bug in ArcSDE 9 and 9.1 right now that makes it unreliable in conjunction with SQL Server (apparently files get scrambled under certain circumstances so it's not just idle conjecture.) I'd like to see the emergency response planning process accommodate alternative software solutions and focus on the job and the results required rather than depend on a single brand name GIS. Even something as simple as agreeing that Shape files and GeoTIFF and NMEA are the standards for data interchange would be better than imperiously mandating that ArcGIS 9 is the only answer. One of the most basic concepts of emergency planning and response is "defense in depth" and depending on only one solution flies in the face of that principle. As a journalist, you might ask someone why only ESRI software was welcomed, and when they say "to facilitate data interchange", turn that rock over and see what crawls out. I bet the real reason is that they are so sold on ESRI by ESRI's excellent marketing efforts that no one has even considered the risk of considering no alternatives. I'm not even arguing that ArcGIS isn't up to the job; I'm just saying that putting all your eggs in one basket is not wise. Anyway, that's why I'm lurking here on FreeGIS-list. I want to see if there's anything in the FOSS GIS world that is good enough to use for E911 response and planning efforts besides the commercial solutions. - Bill Thoen From gould at lsi.uji.es Thu Sep 22 09:04:10 2005 From: gould at lsi.uji.es (michael gould) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:04:10 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Katrina maps and photos via open source tools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003901c5bf43$d5ff0060$6402a8c0@NOMADA1> Must agree with Bill. Diversity (or call it heterogeneity) is a smart way to spread risk, be it in genetics, stock market investment, or emergency response. Asking for volunteers who could process GeoTIFF + shapefile would have gotten the job done and attracted more and more diverse volunteers. Good luck in Texas tomorrow. ----------- Michael Gould Department of Information Systems (LSI) Universitat Jaume I, 12071 Castell?n Spain E-mail: gould (at) lsi.uji.es http://www.mgould.com http://www.geoinfo.uji.es -----Mensaje original----- De: freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de [mailto:freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de] En nombre de Bill Thoen Enviado el: jueves, 22 de septiembre de 2005 4:01 Para: freegis-list at intevation.de CC: Dave Murray Asunto: RE: [Freegis-list] Katrina maps and photos via open source tools On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, GISuser.com - Glenn wrote: > You might be interested in a special article we just published today > from the crew involved in the GIScorps response in MS.. Pretty > interesting. See gisuser.com for the article The GISCorps thing was all ESRI, and from your article it doesn't look like open source tools were used much at all. When the call went out from GISCorps for the 20 GIS/GPS experts they needed, they specifically said you had to have ArcGIS 9 loaded on your laptop. It seems to me that depending on one source of software for emergency response is a poor policy. For one thing you cut out a lot of alternative expertise (especially when you want volunteers), and for another you risk encountering a serious bug in your one-source software, or in the case of responding to an emergency caused by a terrorist attack, any terrorist who does a little research is not going to miss an opportunity to also try an attack on a single-source software package used by the responders. In fact, I've recently learned that there is such a serious bug in ArcSDE 9 and 9.1 right now that makes it unreliable in conjunction with SQL Server (apparently files get scrambled under certain circumstances so it's not just idle conjecture.) I'd like to see the emergency response planning process accommodate alternative software solutions and focus on the job and the results required rather than depend on a single brand name GIS. Even something as simple as agreeing that Shape files and GeoTIFF and NMEA are the standards for data interchange would be better than imperiously mandating that ArcGIS 9 is the only answer. One of the most basic concepts of emergency planning and response is "defense in depth" and depending on only one solution flies in the face of that principle. As a journalist, you might ask someone why only ESRI software was welcomed, and when they say "to facilitate data interchange", turn that rock over and see what crawls out. I bet the real reason is that they are so sold on ESRI by ESRI's excellent marketing efforts that no one has even considered the risk of considering no alternatives. I'm not even arguing that ArcGIS isn't up to the job; I'm just saying that putting all your eggs in one basket is not wise. Anyway, that's why I'm lurking here on FreeGIS-list. I want to see if there's anything in the FOSS GIS world that is good enough to use for E911 response and planning efforts besides the commercial solutions. - Bill Thoen _______________________________________________ Freegis-list mailing list Freegis-list at intevation.de https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From nhv at cape.com Sat Sep 24 16:40:28 2005 From: nhv at cape.com (Norman Vine) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:40:28 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Katrina maps and photos via open source tools References: <001c01c5bed5$5601b0b0$0202a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> Message-ID: "Bill Thoen" wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.44.0509211911430.26210-100000 at gisnet.com...> > > I'd like to see the emergency response planning process accommodate > alternative software solutions and focus on the job and the results > required rather than depend on a single brand name GIS. Even something as > simple as agreeing that Shape files and GeoTIFF and NMEA are the standards > for data interchange would be better than imperiously mandating that > ArcGIS 9 is the only answer. One of the most basic concepts of emergency > planning and response is "defense in depth" and depending on only one > solution flies in the face of that principle. http://katrina.telascience.org Norman From kenzky at ispwest.com Sat Sep 24 17:20:50 2005 From: kenzky at ispwest.com (Ken Rubotzky) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:20:50 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] Open Source GIS workshop in DC 28 Sept In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c5bed5$5601b0b0$0202a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> Message-ID: <200509241120.50523.kenzky@ispwest.com> Our nonprofit is sponsoring an open source GIS workshop on 28 September 2005 in Washington, DC. You can check us out at http://www.ccurisa.org/?q=node/60 . We're trying to keep the cost low ($40) to reach out to the community. If you can't make it, still would like to have some feedback on this event from kind-hearted Freegis-list servees. Thanks. -Ken Rubotzky Chesapeake Chapter, URISA From mueller at lat-lon.de Mon Sep 26 07:49:01 2005 From: mueller at lat-lon.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Markus_M=FCller?=) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 07:49:01 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Open Source GIS workshop in DC 28 Sept In-Reply-To: <200509241120.50523.kenzky@ispwest.com> References: <001c01c5bed5$5601b0b0$0202a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> <200509241120.50523.kenzky@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <43378BCD.7@lat-lon.de> Hi Ken, just a very short notice - on slide 6 of http://www.ccurisa.org/files/Opensource_GIS_Slides.pdf you refer to deegree. "deegree" ist written with two "double-e's". But what is more important - OGC ist the "Open Geospatial Consortium", not the "Opensource GIS consortium" as stated. The distinction between openness in regard to interfaces and standards (OGC) and openness in the sense of Free Software (Open Source) is an important one to make. There still is too much mixing-up of these two entirely different things. kind regards Markus Ken Rubotzky schrieb: >Our nonprofit is sponsoring an open source GIS workshop on 28 September 2005 >in Washington, DC. You can check us out at >http://www.ccurisa.org/?q=node/60 . We're trying to keep the cost low ($40) >to reach out to the community. If you can't make it, still would like to have >some feedback on this event from kind-hearted Freegis-list servees. > >Thanks. > >-Ken Rubotzky >Chesapeake Chapter, URISA > >_______________________________________________ >Freegis-list mailing list >Freegis-list at intevation.de >https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > -- Dr. Markus M?ller l a t / l o n GmbH (Hamburg) Gluckstr. 53a 22081 Hamburg, Germany phone ++49 +177 2470742 fax ++49 +228 18496-29 http://www.lat-lon.de http://www.deegree.org From cresques at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 10:59:46 2005 From: cresques at gmail.com (Luis W. Sevilla) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:59:46 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Open Source GIS workshop in DC 28 Sept In-Reply-To: <200509241120.50523.kenzky@ispwest.com> References: <001c01c5bed5$5601b0b0$0202a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> <200509241120.50523.kenzky@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <4337B882.1020408@gmail.com> Hi Ken, Ken Rubotzky wrote: >Our nonprofit is sponsoring an open source GIS workshop on 28 September 2005 >in Washington, DC. You can check us out at >http://www.ccurisa.org/?q=node/60 . We're trying to keep the cost low ($40) >to reach out to the community. If you can't make it, still would like to have >some feedback on this event from kind-hearted Freegis-list servees. > >Thanks. > > I have saw your slides, and I think gvSIG (www.gvsig.gva.es) it's worth an adition to your workshop. Take a look to the proyect, try the software and maybe this will add you some more than your choosen tools. Also GeoNetwork adn GeoServer seem a must to me on a modern FOSS GIS. greetings Luis Sevilla >-Ken Rubotzky >Chesapeake Chapter, URISA > > From bernhard at intevation.de Mon Sep 26 15:18:40 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:18:40 +0200 Subject: GRASS status (was: [Freegis-list] GRASS still quite far from usable) In-Reply-To: <4329CCE2.3030404@pavlenko.uklinux.net> References: <20050912091556.189F736DDD@mail.intevation.de> <200509151810.07094.cavallini@faunalia.it> <4329CCE2.3030404@pavlenko.uklinux.net> Message-ID: <20050926131840.GO30212@intevation.de> Am 15. Sep 2005 um 20:34:58 schrieb Artem Pavlenko: > Regarding the recent discussion about GRASS, I feel the time is right > for some positive changes. Just like Ben Discoe, over the years I have > tried to like GRASS and it always failed me and I gave up. From my perspective GRASS has improved constantly and keeps improving. It could be even better, of course. This is a matter of person power and money. So you can help with directly improving GRASS or strengthening the buiness world around it. (As my company offers GRASS services for over 5 years, I can tell you that demand has been quite low.) > I'm very passionate about Free Software and it is painful for me to see, > year after year, GRASS taking the same old arrogant 'command-line' > stance, while at the same time miserably failing potential users all > over the world. > Paolo Cavallini wrote: > >It would be easy to overlook such critiques, but I think there is an > >element of truth we should take seriously. I do not think this is arrogant neither is the critic overlooked. But for those who have never tried GRASS, things have to be seen in perspective: GRASS has a Tcl/Tk interface which is not too bad for years. QGIS has become a frontend for several operations and there are other approaches. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050926/a7eabec3/attachment.bin From bernhard at intevation.de Mon Sep 26 15:20:45 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:20:45 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Swiss Law proposal, can be commented In-Reply-To: <682f26e205091522315448ab94@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050915103253.GH9142@intevation.de> <682f26e205091522315448ab94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050926132045.GP30212@intevation.de> On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 07:31:01AM +0200, Joseph Berry wrote: > I'm swiss but don't know German French etc. > so if it helps let me know Hi Joseph, thanks for the offer. It all depends on people having time to analyse the draft. Someone would think that the law proposals would be available in all official languages in Switzerland. So if you are interested you could find this out and then help analysing the proposal. Best, Bernhard > On 9/15/05, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > > In Switzerland there is a proposal for new federal law about geo data. > > One link where I found information about it in German, French and Italien is: > > http://www.swisstopo.ch/pub/down/basics/law/ > > > > The Swiss procedure allows all interested parties to comment. > > For this proposal the comment period is until end of November. > > > > If someone from the FreeGIS community has time, > > we could read, analyse and then comment this proposal from the Free Software > > and free data perspective. We then just need a few friends in Switzerland > > to submit the comments. We can certainly reach them via the FSFE. > > > > So any takers? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050926/3e2c9ef6/attachment.bin From bernhard at intevation.de Mon Sep 26 15:26:49 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:26:49 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] stereo -> DEM generation In-Reply-To: <433133D3.3080605@silicon-worlds.fr> References: <433133D3.3080605@silicon-worlds.fr> Message-ID: <20050926132649.GQ30212@intevation.de> Am 21. Sep 2005 um 12:20:03 schrieb R?my Deslignes: > I am trying to create a DEM from a stereo pair of orthorectified images. > Does anyone here knows a (preferably) free software or piece of code > that could do such computation ? There is an experimental package for GRASS at http://grass.itc.it/gdp/stereo-grass/ I have not tried it myself. -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) Experts for web based GIS! In business since 1999: http://intevation.net/services/gis/webgis.en.html Pay for FreeGIS if you like it: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050926/317d49b4/attachment.bin From shekhar at crit.org.in Wed Sep 28 13:17:23 2005 From: shekhar at crit.org.in (Shekhar Krishnan) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:17:23 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Google Earth Exposes the Indian Military Message-ID: <1127906244.8234.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Dear All: :: apologies for cross-posting :: This has caused quite an uproar in Mumbai, and the consequences will be interesting to follow. To read more about open geo-data and free mapping initiatives in India, see the Mumbai Free Map ( http://www.crit.org.in/projects/gis | http://freemap.crit.org.in | http://www.freemap.in ). Please also visit and sign the open geo-data manifesto hosted by the Open Knowledge Foundation ( http://okfn.org/geo/manifesto.php ) and visit Mapping Hacks ( http://www.mappinghacks.com ). Best, Shekhar _____ Google Earth exposes IAF bases CHARLES ASSISI TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 27, 2005 12:16:08 AM ] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1243460.cms MUMBAI: Legally, you aren?t supposed to come within arm?s length of India?s military bases. Whether it is the naval dockyards in Mumbai or the air force bases in New Delhi, Bangalore and Hyderabad, they continue to be strictly out of bounds for unauthorised personnel. But technology, unerringly, finds ways to subvert the law. A little over two weeks ago, Google released fresh satellite images of New Delhi, south Mumbai, Bangalore and Hyderabad as part of its new initiative, Google Earth ( http://earth.google.com ). These images, available to anybody with access to the Net, provide users with images of earth from space. Punch New Delhi and the software first zooms in on Rashtrapati Bhavan. After having taken a look at its lawns, take in a detailed perspective of Parliament building. Maybe, fly over the Prime Minister?s residence. And if that doesn?t satiates the voyeur in you, move over to Palam Airport where IAF planes are based. The level of detail even reveals the camouflage used to mask hangars. Pictures of Mumbai reveal with numbing clarity the docks where INS Viraat is berthed. Users can zoom close enough to take a reasonably good look at the deck of India?s lone aircraft carrier. Browse around and you can stroll past piers where warships of all kinds and submarines are docked. Pan across to take a long look at what lies beyond the fortified gates of Navy Nagar where access is normally controlled by gun-wielding guards. And if that isn?t enough, there are shots of a carrier under construction, which sources speculate, could be the top secret advanced technology vessel (ATV). It?s much the same thing with Bangalore. The air force base at Yelahanka with the jets and helicopters parked are available for all to view. And if it?s the HAL factory you?re interested in, zoom right in. -- ______ Shekhar Krishnan 9, Supriya, 2nd Floor 709, Parsee Colony Road no.4 Dadar, Mumbai 400014 India http://www.crit.org.in/members/shekhar http://web.mit.edu/~shekhar/www From holl at gdf-hannover.de Wed Sep 28 17:08:18 2005 From: holl at gdf-hannover.de (Stephan Holl) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:08:18 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] [ANNOUNCE]: New GRASS 6 Translation Repository Message-ID: <20050928170818.2fd92e2a@localhost> Dear FOSS GIS users, [sorry for crossposting] GDF Hannover provides a new Translation Repository for the GRASS 6 Tutorial! As you may know, we publish tutorials on GRASS GIS under terms of the GNU FDL (GNU Free Document License) for years. Translations into Czech by Jachym Cepicky and English by Kerstin Holl are available to the user community since a few months. Within the last weeks we were asked by many GRASS users from all over the world, that they would like to translate the current tutorial into Spanish and Italian. For this reason we now established a new Translation Repository[1] based on subversion. http://www.gdf-hannover.de/translation We hope this is a further step to increase the popularity of GRASS GIS. If you feel like supporting this portal, we would be pleased to integrate you or your money to the portal. Further languages could be added as well. We are running a mailinglist on which further information will be posted to. If you are interested in contributing to the project please subscribe[2] to this list to be up-to-date. best wishes, GDF Hannover [1] http://www.gdf-hannover.de/translation [2] https://www.gdf-hannover.de/mailman/listinfo/gdf-translation -- GDF Hannover - Solutions for spatial data analysis and remote sensing Hannover Office - Mengendamm 16d - D-30177 Hannover Internet: www.gdf-hannover.de - Email: holl at gdf-hannover.de Phone : ++49-(0)511.39088507 - Fax: ++49-(0)511.39088508 From kenzky at ispwest.com Thu Sep 29 02:29:26 2005 From: kenzky at ispwest.com (Ken Rubotzky) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:29:26 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] Open Source GIS workshop in DC 28 Sept In-Reply-To: <4337B882.1020408@gmail.com> References: <001c01c5bed5$5601b0b0$0202a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> <200509241120.50523.kenzky@ispwest.com> <4337B882.1020408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <433B3566.4040008@ispwest.com> Thanks Luis Sevilla, Markus Muller for comments. I will make the suggested additions and corrections. We had 9 attendees at our workshop, some from Federal government. -Ken Rubotzky Luis W. Sevilla wrote: > Hi Ken, > Ken Rubotzky wrote: > >> Our nonprofit is sponsoring an open source GIS workshop on 28 >> September 2005 in Washington, DC. You can check us out at >> http://www.ccurisa.org/?q=node/60 . We're trying to keep the cost low >> ($40) to reach out to the community. If you can't make it, still >> would like to have some feedback on this event from kind-hearted >> Freegis-list servees. >> >> Thanks. >> >> > I have saw your slides, and I think gvSIG (www.gvsig.gva.es) it's > worth an adition to your workshop. Take a look > to the proyect, try the software and maybe this will add you some more > than your choosen tools. > Also GeoNetwork adn GeoServer seem a must to me on a modern FOSS GIS. > > greetings > Luis Sevilla > >> -Ken Rubotzky >> Chesapeake Chapter, URISA >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > From pcreso at pcreso.com Fri Sep 30 00:48:09 2005 From: pcreso at pcreso.com (Brent Wood) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Freegis-list] Open Access to Geospatial Data Message-ID: <20050929224810.54678.qmail@web33213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This brings tears to the eyes of any maritime GIS user! The following is the license description for the new Digibath250 dataset (vector bathymetry data for UK & adjacent European waters). A very sad situtaion IMHO, but all too common. When will the BGS be as forthcoming as USGS with its data? The tax payer has already paid for the data as I understand it. I was wondering if the Digibath250 was named after the cost of a licence per sector? Brent Wood ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Licence information The DigBath250 licence is a non exclusive, non-transferable, non-assignable, single site/one end-user only licence to use the DigBath250 datasets. No refund of licence fees are available for portions of digital data set(s) ordered & supplied, but subsequently not used by the licensee. Copyright and database right of the digital datasets within the DigBath250 are retained by the owners and are not transferred to external parties by possession of a DigBath250 licence. A DigBath250 licence permits The internal business use of the DigBath250 exclusively for the benefit of the Licensee. The making of up to 3 copies of DigBath250 for operational security and back-up purposes only. The grant of copyright permission to make up to 500 x A3 size analogue copies solely for in-house use per year. An additional analogue copyright licence will be required for all external and extra in-house copies and copies of greater size than A3. A DigBath250 licence does not permit Your use of DigBath250 to provide a bureau service for others or for the benefit of or on behalf of others. Except as necessary for viewing and printing extracts of the data for your own use, you may not copy or adapt the datasets. The DigBath250 licence nor the datasets to which it applies to be assigned, sub-licensed, rented, lent or otherwise transferred by you/your organisation. Commercial usage. No part of the data set may be sold, whether on its own or as part of a value-added commercial product. From dmcilhagga at dmsolutions.ca Fri Sep 30 17:59:31 2005 From: dmcilhagga at dmsolutions.ca (Dave McIlhagga) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:59:31 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] =?utf-8?q?=5BFwd=3A_=5BCgdi-dev-net=5D_National_R?= =?utf-8?q?oad_Network_File_/_Fichier_du_r=C3=A9seau_routier_national=5D?= Message-ID: <433D60E3.8050109@dmsolutions.ca> Good news from Canada re. Government Data Liberation See below. Dave -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Cgdi-dev-net] National Road Network File / Fichier du r?seau routier national Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:04:36 -0400 From: To: *La version fran?aise suit la version anglaise.//* The 2006 Census Dissemination Project is pleased to announce the official release of the* 2005 Road Network File* (92-500-XWE). The 2005 Road Network File (RNF) is the first official release from the 2006 Census Geography suite of products and services. The RNF is a digital representation of Canada?s national road network, containing information such as street names, type, direction and address ranges. The unrestricted release of the RNF allows Canadians to preview the national road network which is the source for the creation of geographic units being used for 2006 Census of population. Other applications of this file include: mapping, geocoding, geographic search, area delineation, and database maintenance as a source for street names and locations. The 2005 Road Network File (RNF) is available for Canada and individual provinces and territories in three formats: ArcINFO? (.SHP), MapInfo? (.TAB), and, for the first time, Geography Markup Language (.GML). For the first time, the RNF is available free of charge to Canadians on the Internet and can be found by clicking on the '_2006 Census'_ button located on the top navigation bar of the Statistics Canada home page and can be accessed under '_The 2006 Census'_. It can also be found by clicking on the '_2001 Census'_ button on the top navigation bar of the Statistics Canada home page and can be accessed under '_Recent Releases'_. _http://geodepot.statcan.ca/Diss/2006Dissemination/Data/FRR_RNF_e.cfm_ Thank you. ******************************************* Le projet de diffusion du Recensement 2006 est fier de vous annoncer la diffusion du* Fichier du r?seau routier 2005* (92-500-XWF). Le Fichier du r?seau routier (FRR) 2005 est la premi?re diffusion de produits et services g?ographiques du Recensement 2006. Le FRR est une repr?sentation num?rique du r?seau routier national du Canada et contient de l'information comme le nom de rue, type, direction et tranches d'adresses. La diffusion sans restriction du FRR offre aux Canadiens une occasion de jeter un coup d'oeil au r?seau routier national qui est la source pour la cr?ation des unit?s g?ographiques utilis?es pour le Recensement de la population de 2006. D'autres applications pour ce fichier incluent : la cartographie, le g?ocodage, la recherche g?ographique, la d?limitation de r?gions, et le maintien des bases de donn?es comme source des noms de rues et leur localisation. Le Fichier du r?seau routier (FRR) 2005 est disponible pour le Canada, les provinces et territoires en trois formats : ArcInfo? (.SHP), MapInfo? (.TAB), et pour la premi?re fois, Geography Markup Language (.GML). Pour la premi?re fois le FRR est disponible sans frais aux Canadiens sur l'Internet et peut ?tre trouv? en s?lectionnant le bouton de d?roulement_ 'Recensement 2006'_ en haut de la page d'accueil Statistique Canada et peut ?tre acc?d? sous_ 'Le recensement 2006'_. Le produit est aussi disponible en s?lectionnant le bouton de d?roulement_ 'Recensement 2001'_ en haut de la page d'accueil Statistique Canada et peut ?tre acc?d? sous_ 'Diffusions r?centes'_. ___http://geodepot.statcan.ca/Diss/2006Dissemination/Data/FRR_RNF_f.cfmHYPERLINK "http://geodepot.statcan.ca/Diss/2006%20Dissemination/Data/FRR_RNF_f.cfm"_ Merci. -- Dave McIlhagga President, DM Solutions Group http://www.dmsolutions.ca EMail : dmcilhagga at dmsolutions.ca Phone : 613-565-5056 x15 Fax : 613-565-0925 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: file:///tmp/nsmail.asc Url: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050930/7dfa9120/nsmail.asc