From expert at scs-net.org  Wed Mar  2 18:15:18 2005
From: expert at scs-net.org (Mr.Labani)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:15:18 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Fw: Viewing GIS In Web
Message-ID: <002301c51f4b$87f202c0$6401010a@expert2>

Is there a(php or Perl or CGI) Code for just viewing any kind of GIS vector and raster files without the need for web mapping server 

Thanks pro

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From mtse2 at link.net  Tue Mar  1 14:38:50 2005
From: mtse2 at link.net (Essam Salah)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:38:50 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] migrating ESRI-GeoMedia to Open source
References: <003601c51cda$e9775f90$4d00000a@mtslan>
	<20050228104449.GN506@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <002e01c51e64$08c09990$4d00000a@mtslan>


>> It depends.
>> Thuban, QGIS and OpenEV being candidates.
>> There is also Jump and openmap, but with both you currently
>> might fall in the Java trap easily.

Why do you think that java is a Trap !!
Is there some disadvantages for java in GIS development ; I think that just
being a platform independent is worth going with it


Essam Salah
Senior Developer
MTSE
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Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 12:44 PM
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From ari.jolma at tkk.fi  Tue Mar  1 14:48:14 2005
From: ari.jolma at tkk.fi (Ari Jolma)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:48:14 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] migrating ESRI-GeoMedia to Open source
In-Reply-To: <002e01c51e64$08c09990$4d00000a@mtslan>
References: <003601c51cda$e9775f90$4d00000a@mtslan>
	<20050228104449.GN506@intevation.de>
	<002e01c51e64$08c09990$4d00000a@mtslan>
Message-ID: <4224729E.1060105@tkk.fi>

Essam Salah wrote:

>>>It depends.
>>>Thuban, QGIS and OpenEV being candidates.
>>>There is also Jump and openmap, but with both you currently
>>>might fall in the Java trap easily.
>>>      
>>>
>
>Why do you think that java is a Trap !!
>  
>

Bernhard was referring to "The Java Trap", see

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html

Ari Jolma


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Email: ari.jolma at tkk.fi URL: http://www.tkk.fi/~jolma



From bernhard at intevation.de  Tue Mar  1 15:43:08 2005
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:43:08 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] terrain database, how?
In-Reply-To: <df59ab105022811382000321f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df59ab105022811382000321f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050301144308.GC18480@intevation.de>

Am 28. Feb 2005 um 11:38:27 schrieb yxu:
> I am working on a terrain visualization software that is capable of
> visualizing huge areas. But I have no idea on how to organize the
> data. Should I organize the data in conventional way: that is to break
> up the whole area into lots of small files,  or to use database
> software such as mysql?  

The general rule on such a problem is to use your own optimisations
and not a general purpose database.
This is because you know your problem and the constrains best
and can design the system (read only, buffering) fully according to
your application needs.

So I probably would go with breaking the data up in tiles.

	Bernhard


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From schenery at cosiro.de  Tue Mar  1 16:11:16 2005
From: schenery at cosiro.de (Simon Chenery)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:11:16 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] terrain database, how?
References: <df59ab105022811382000321f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050301144308.GC18480@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <42248614.1090301@cosiro.de>

Yxu,

 > Am 28. Feb 2005 um 11:38:27 schrieb yxu:
 >
 > > I am working on a terrain visualization software that is capable of
 > > visualizing huge areas. But I have no idea on how to organize the
 > > data. Should I organize the data in conventional way: that is to break
 > > up the whole area into lots of small files,  or to use database
 > > software such as mysql?
 >
 >
 > The general rule on such a problem is to use your own optimisations
 > and not a general purpose database.
 > This is because you know your problem and the constrains best
 > and can design the system (read only, buffering) fully according to
 > your application needs.
 >
 > So I probably would go with breaking the data up in tiles.

As you have a huge terrain raster database then it may be worthwhile
investigating if/how the software can access "pyramid layers".
 
Pyramid layers are lower resolution (1/2, 1/4, 1/8, ...) copies of the 
original
data.  Displaying a lower resolution pyramid layer instead of the original
image will greatly improve display speed when the user zooms out further
and further.

It is common in raster data visualisation applications to combine
image compression, tiling and pyramid layers for best performance.

 >
 >       Bernhard

Simon.





From Martin.Spott at uni-duisburg.de  Tue Mar  1 16:04:07 2005
From: Martin.Spott at uni-duisburg.de (Martin Spott)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:04:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Freegis-list] migrating ESRI-GeoMedia to Open source
References: <003601c51cda$e9775f90$4d00000a@mtslan>
	<002e01c51e64$08c09990$4d00000a@mtslan>
Message-ID: <d02097$1828$1@osprey.mgras.de>

"Essam Salah" wrote:

>>> There is also Jump and openmap, but with both you currently
>>> might fall in the Java trap easily.
> 
> Why do you think that java is a Trap !!
> Is there some disadvantages for java in GIS development ; I think that just
> being a platform independent is worth going with it

Whatever is meant in this context, from my experience the platform
independence exists only in theory. Typically you have to install a
specific Java runtine for each program you want to use.

Cheers,
	Martin.
-- 
 Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !
--------------------------------------------------------------------------



From lists at webmapit.com.br  Tue Mar  1 21:13:50 2005
From: lists at webmapit.com.br (Eduardo Patto Kanegae)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:13:50 -0300
Subject: [Freegis-list] Tool for computing total area
Message-ID: <4224CCFE.3000004@webmapit.com.br>

Hi folks,

which tool could you suggest for calculating 'real' area? I mean, NOT a 
simple 2D plane area, but the area that needs DEM for its calculation.

best regards,

-- 
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Treinamento & Consultoria em UMN MapServer, PostGIS e FreeGIS Software
http://www.webmapit.com.br
Skype: eduardopattokanegae
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From neteler at itc.it  Wed Mar  2 12:17:41 2005
From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:17:41 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Tool for computing total area
In-Reply-To: <4224CCFE.3000004@webmapit.com.br>
References: <4224CCFE.3000004@webmapit.com.br>
Message-ID: <20050302111741.GY2691@thuille.itc.it>

On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 05:13:50PM -0300, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> which tool could you suggest for calculating 'real' area? I mean, NOT a 
> simple 2D plane area, but the area that needs DEM for its calculation.

Eg GRASS (http://grass.itc.it) contains related code:

r.surf.area help

Description:
 Surface area estimation for rasters.

Usage:
 r.surf.area input=name [vscale=value]

Parameters:
   input   Raster file for surface
  vscale   Vertical scale

Hope this helps

 Markus



From martin at vigerske.de  Fri Mar  4 14:47:39 2005
From: martin at vigerske.de (Martin Vigerske)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:47:39 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] dxf converter
Message-ID: <d09ok7$1jc$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hi,

when I export the contourlines of my SRTM-Data in GRASS as dxf, I get a 
dxf that I can open in Illustrator 10, but not in Freehand MX, but I 
realy need it in FreehandMX. In Freehand I get only a lot of big lines.
Maybe it is a problem with the dxf-version. Does somebody knows a tool 
to convert this dxf to a MX-conform file?
Or I should use an other vector-format in GRASS for the export? A format 
that can be converted in something useful.

Greetings,
Martin Vigerske



From neteler at itc.it  Sat Mar  5 12:24:01 2005
From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:24:01 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] dxf converter
In-Reply-To: <d09ok7$1jc$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <d09ok7$1jc$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20050305112401.GK16711@thuille.itc.it>

On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 02:47:39PM +0100, Martin Vigerske wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> when I export the contourlines of my SRTM-Data in GRASS as dxf, I get a 
> dxf that I can open in Illustrator 10, but not in Freehand MX, but I 
> realy need it in FreehandMX. In Freehand I get only a lot of big lines.
> Maybe it is a problem with the dxf-version. Does somebody knows a tool 
> to convert this dxf to a MX-conform file?
> Or I should use an other vector-format in GRASS for the export? A format 
> that can be converted in something useful.
> 

GRASS 6 can export to a couple of Vector formats:

v.out.ogr

http://grass.itc.it/grass60/manuals/html60_user/v.out.ogr.html

(the page isn't there today due to a local problem,
will be there asap, just standby)
 
Markus



From holgerzebner at gmx.de  Sun Mar  6 21:35:32 2005
From: holgerzebner at gmx.de (Holger Zebner)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:35:32 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] New project with mapserver for content management
	integration
Message-ID: <200503062135.32474.holgerzebner@gmx.de>

Hi,
I just want to inform you that there's been a new project launched last week.

It aims to integrate UMN Mapserver via PHP/Mapscript into the simple and easy 
Mambo CMS.

Mambo is a easy-to-use content management system based on PHP and MySQL.
It is customizable and has already many 3rd-party add-ons for many tasks.
Now, the new project aims to integrate mapserver as a component into the 
system. Through this you would be able to set up a web GIS service in less 
than two hourse (assuming that you have mapserver working).

There are still more co-developers needed. So if you have any knowlegde in
PHP/Mapscript, MySQL and - of course - mapserver, feel free to join the 
project. Any hand is welcome.

Some web links:

Mambo Content Management Homepage
http://www.mamboserver.com/
Mambo demo:
http://www.opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=149
Project Homepage:
http://mapserver.mamboforge.net/
Development Draft:
http://mamboforge.net/docman/?group_id=1016

Greetings to all of you,
Holger



From PHGAGNON at groupesm.com  Fri Mar  4 16:28:40 2005
From: PHGAGNON at groupesm.com (Gagnon Pierre-Hugues)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:28:40 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS free viewer
Message-ID: <8FAF06163E22434EACB677AD054EF8911F4823@sm-exchange.groupesm.com>

Hi! I'm working on a project that need to post GIS data. We tried with ArcExplorer, but it does only works with ArcIMS server. I need a viewer that displays shapefiles and WMS dataset. Which free viewer do you guys recommend us?
 
Pierre-Hugues Gagnon
G?omaticien junior - stagiaire
Am?natech inc - Le Groupe S.M. inc.
Junior geomatician - trainee
Am?natech inc - The S.M. Group inc.
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From cavallini at faunalia.it  Mon Mar  7 08:27:09 2005
From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:27:09 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS free viewer
In-Reply-To: <8FAF06163E22434EACB677AD054EF8911F4823@sm-exchange.groupesm.com>
References: <8FAF06163E22434EACB677AD054EF8911F4823@sm-exchange.groupesm.com>
Message-ID: <200503070827.09517.cavallini@faunalia.it>

qgis!
pc

At 16:28, venerd? 04 marzo 2005, Gagnon Pierre-Hugues has probably written:
> Hi! I'm working on a project that need to post GIS data. We tried with
> ArcExplorer, but it does only works with ArcIMS server. I need a viewer
> that displays shapefiles and WMS dataset. Which free viewer do you guys
> recommend us?
>
> Pierre-Hugues Gagnon
> G?omaticien junior - stagiaire
> Am?natech inc - Le Groupe S.M. inc.
> Junior geomatician - trainee
> Am?natech inc - The S.M. Group inc.

-- 
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cavallini at faunalia.it   www.faunalia.it   www.faunalia.com
Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy   Tel: (+39)348-3801953



From jan at intevation.de  Mon Mar  7 09:17:27 2005
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:17:27 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS free viewer
In-Reply-To: <8FAF06163E22434EACB677AD054EF8911F4823@sm-exchange.groupesm.com>
References: <8FAF06163E22434EACB677AD054EF8911F4823@sm-exchange.groupesm.com>
Message-ID: <20050307081727.GB28776@intevation.de>

On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 10:28:40AM -0500, Gagnon Pierre-Hugues wrote:
> Hi! I'm working on a project that need to post GIS data. We tried with
> ArcExplorer, but it does only works with ArcIMS server. I need a viewer that
> displays shapefiles and WMS dataset. Which free viewer do you guys recommend
> us?

2 tools come to my mind:

Jump - Full WMS support, but in Java.
Thuban - WMS as extension implemented but improved version only
         in CVS HEAD. Thuban is implemented in Python/wxWindows.

Best

	Jan
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Intevation GmbH                      http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS                                http://freegis.org/



From bartvde at xs4all.nl  Mon Mar  7 09:21:12 2005
From: bartvde at xs4all.nl (bartvde@xs4all.nl)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:21:12 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS free viewer
In-Reply-To: <20050307081727.GB28776@intevation.de>
References: <8FAF06163E22434EACB677AD054EF8911F4823@sm-exchange.groupesm.com>
	<20050307081727.GB28776@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <4501.212.238.227.182.1110183672.squirrel@212.238.227.182>

Hi,

I would recommend uDIG, 1.0 release is end of this month. Currently 0.9
release candidates.

http://udig.refractions.net

Best regards,
Bart

> On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 10:28:40AM -0500, Gagnon Pierre-Hugues wrote:
>> Hi! I'm working on a project that need to post GIS data. We tried with
>> ArcExplorer, but it does only works with ArcIMS server. I need a viewer
>> that
>> displays shapefiles and WMS dataset. Which free viewer do you guys
>> recommend
>> us?
>
> 2 tools come to my mind:
>
> Jump - Full WMS support, but in Java.
> Thuban - WMS as extension implemented but improved version only
>          in CVS HEAD. Thuban is implemented in Python/wxWindows.
>
> Best
>
> 	Jan
> --
> Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/
>
> Intevation GmbH                      http://intevation.de/
> FreeGIS                                http://freegis.org/
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From jan at intevation.de  Mon Mar  7 09:22:06 2005
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:22:06 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS free viewer
In-Reply-To: <200503070827.09517.cavallini@faunalia.it>
References: <8FAF06163E22434EACB677AD054EF8911F4823@sm-exchange.groupesm.com>
	<200503070827.09517.cavallini@faunalia.it>
Message-ID: <20050307082206.GC28776@intevation.de>

Hi Paolo,

On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 08:27:09AM +0100, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> qgis!

I also was about to list qgis, but re-checked.
I did not find any hint on qgis being able to handle WMS layers.
Neither does the homepage [1] list this feature nor does the search
of the homepage for "WMS" give any result.
I tried qgis 0.6 as of Debian Sarge and didn't find anything there as
well.

Am I missing something?

Best

	Jan

[1] http://qgis.sourceforge.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20&Itemid=58
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FreeGIS                                http://freegis.org/



From topologis at t-online.de  Mon Mar  7 10:03:16 2005
From: topologis at t-online.de (pk topologis)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:03:16 +0100
Subject: AW: [Freegis-list] GIS free viewer
In-Reply-To: <20050307082206.GC28776@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <BGEGILNOJKEMNKFAPIPJIEEMCAAA.topologis@t-online.de>

some links with links within:

http://webgis.dyndns.org:8080/giswiki/Wiki.jsp?page=GISViewer
http://webgis.dyndns.org:8080/giswiki/Wiki.jsp?page=DesktopGIS

Heinz

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de]Im Auftrag von Jan-Oliver
Wagner
Gesendet: Montag, 7. Marz 2005 09:22
An: freegis-list at intevation.de
Betreff: Re: [Freegis-list] GIS free viewer


Hi Paolo,

On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 08:27:09AM +0100, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> qgis!

I also was about to list qgis, but re-checked.
I did not find any hint on qgis being able to handle WMS layers.
Neither does the homepage [1] list this feature nor does the search
of the homepage for "WMS" give any result.
I tried qgis 0.6 as of Debian Sarge and didn't find anything there as
well.

Am I missing something?

Best

	Jan

[1]
http://qgis.sourceforge.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20&Ite
mid=58
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From jan at intevation.de  Mon Mar  7 10:45:08 2005
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:45:08 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS free viewer
In-Reply-To: <BGEGILNOJKEMNKFAPIPJIEEMCAAA.topologis@t-online.de>
References: <20050307082206.GC28776@intevation.de>
	<BGEGILNOJKEMNKFAPIPJIEEMCAAA.topologis@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <20050307094508.GA29061@intevation.de>

On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 10:03:16AM +0100, pk topologis wrote:
> some links with links within:
> 
> http://webgis.dyndns.org:8080/giswiki/Wiki.jsp?page=GISViewer
> http://webgis.dyndns.org:8080/giswiki/Wiki.jsp?page=DesktopGIS

this list does not care to distinguish between Free as in
Freedom and Free as in Free Beer.
Thus, the list will contain many proprietary products.

	Jan

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Intevation GmbH                      http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS                                http://freegis.org/



From cjursa at mail.sis.pitt.edu  Thu Mar 10 19:13:10 2005
From: cjursa at mail.sis.pitt.edu (Christopher Jon Jursa)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:13:10 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] gml coordinates to svg screen coordinates
Message-ID: <GBEMLFFCFKANEMNMLHNHGEACCEAA.cjursa@mail.sis.pitt.edu>

Hello,

I have been experimenting with transforming GML to SVG and have gotten help
here before.

However, I am having a difficult time converting the decimal degree
coordinates to screen coordinates in my svg code.  Does anyone have any
advice or leads on this?

Sincerely,

Christopher Jon Jursa
PhD Candidate
School of Information Sciences
University of Pittsburgh
Email: cjursa at sis.pitt.edu
Web: http://gis.sis.pitt.edu




From yyxxuu at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 20:23:48 2005
From: yyxxuu at gmail.com (yxu)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:23:48 -0800
Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: terrain database, how?
In-Reply-To: <42248614.1090301@cosiro.de>
References: <df59ab105022811382000321f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050301144308.GC18480@intevation.de> <42248614.1090301@cosiro.de>
Message-ID: <df59ab1050310112322ef8b4a@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the information.  Do you know any existing toolkits for
creating and managing the multi-level detailed terrain data?

Thank you,

yxu 



On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:11:16 +0100, Simon Chenery <schenery at cosiro.de> wrote:
> Yxu,
> 
>  > Am 28. Feb 2005 um 11:38:27 schrieb yxu:
>  >
>  > > I am working on a terrain visualization software that is capable of
>  > > visualizing huge areas. But I have no idea on how to organize the
>  > > data. Should I organize the data in conventional way: that is to break
>  > > up the whole area into lots of small files,  or to use database
>  > > software such as mysql?
>  >
>  >
>  > The general rule on such a problem is to use your own optimisations
>  > and not a general purpose database.
>  > This is because you know your problem and the constrains best
>  > and can design the system (read only, buffering) fully according to
>  > your application needs.
>  >
>  > So I probably would go with breaking the data up in tiles.
> 
> As you have a huge terrain raster database then it may be worthwhile
> investigating if/how the software can access "pyramid layers".
>  
> Pyramid layers are lower resolution (1/2, 1/4, 1/8, ...) copies of the 
> original
> data.  Displaying a lower resolution pyramid layer instead of the original
> image will greatly improve display speed when the user zooms out further
> and further.
> 
> It is common in raster data visualisation applications to combine
> image compression, tiling and pyramid layers for best performance.
> 
>  >
>  >       Bernhard
> 
> Simon.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Freegis-list mailing list
> Freegis-list at intevation.de
> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
>



From fwarmerdam at gmail.com  Sat Mar 12 23:22:06 2005
From: fwarmerdam at gmail.com (Frank Warmerdam)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:22:06 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] VMAP0/TIGER/SRTM30 data via BitTorrent
Message-ID: <931f8ea90503121422c6cbafe@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

A few of us have been thinking about use of the BitTorrent protocol 
in the geospatial area.  Our conclusion is that it's greatest use is
in distributing large public (free) geospatial datasets.  To that 
end we have setup a modest experiment to see how useful and popular
such a service might be.  

BitTorrent, for those not familiar with it, is a peer-to-peer file
sharing protocol.  It's distinguishing factor is that the "server" can
scale to handle large numbers of clients without a large increase in 
bandwidth by virtue of forcing clients to trade parts of the downloaded
files with each other rather than having to send a full copy of the file
to all clients.

To test out the utility of BitTorrent in this field we have prepared and
"seeded" a few fairly large, and reasonably popular datasets.  These include:

 o TIGER 2004fe: Full Tiger data for the full USA. 
 o VMAP0: All 4 VMAP0 CDs - various vector data for the whole world. 
 o SRTM30+: SRTM derived DEM data at 30 second postings plus Bathymetry data. 

The torrents can be found at:

  http://uo.space.frot.org/?GeodataTorrents

I welcome feedback, suggestions, additions, and even boos and hisses. 

Best regards,
-- 
---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
I set the clouds in motion - turn up   | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam at pobox.com
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush    | Geospatial Programmer for Rent



From fwarmerdam at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 05:50:24 2005
From: fwarmerdam at gmail.com (Frank Warmerdam)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:50:24 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] GDAL/OGR 1.2.6 Released
Message-ID: <931f8ea9050313205013857b08@mail.gmail.com>

Folks, 

I am pleased to announce the release of GDAL/OGR 1.2.6.  The new
release can be downloaded from:

  http://www.gdal.org/dl/gdal-1.2.6.tar.tz
  http://www.gdal.org/dl/gdal126.zip

Signficant improvements and changes in this release are mentioned
in the NEWS entries below. 


GDAL 1.2.6 - Overview of Changes
--------------------------------

gdal_translate: 
 - Added -sds switch to copy all subdatasets. 

gdalwarp: 
 - Added Thin Plate Spline support (-tps switch). 

GDALRasterBand:
 - Now uses two level block cache allowing efficient access to files
   with a very large number of tiles. 
 - Added support for YCbCr color space for raster band color interpretations.
 - Added AdviseRead() method - currently only used by ECW driver and OGDI 
   drivers. 

ILWIS Driver:
 - New driver for the raster format of the ILWIS software. 

ECW Driver:
 - Updated to use ECW SDK 3.1 (older ECW SDK no longer supported!)

ECWJP2 Driver:
 - Added JPEG2000 support driver based on ECW/JPEG2000 SDK with a variety
   of features. 

NITF Driver: 
 - Added support for reading *and* writing JPEG2000 compressed NITF files 
   using the ECW/JPEG2000 SDK. 
 - Added ICHIPB support. 

HDF Driver:
 - Add support for georeferencing from some additional metadata formats. 
 - Fixed bug with multi-band HDF-EOS datasets. 

MrSID Driver:
 - Driver can now be built as a plugin on win32. 
 - Split out MrSID 3.x SDK support - not readily buildable now. 
 - Implemented accelerated IO cases for MrSID 4.x SDK. 
 - Support for writing MrSID files added (improved?)

Imagine Driver: 
 - Fixed bug reading some large multiband Imagine files. 
 - Added support for writing compressed files. 

Win32 Builds:
 - Added versioning information to GDAL DLL.

L1B Driver:
 - Only return a reduced grid of control points. 

IDA (WinDisp4) Driver:
 - New read/write driver for the Image Display and Analysis raster format 
   used by WinDisp 4. 

NDF (NLAPS) Driver:
 - Added NDF/NLAPS read driver for version 1 and 2. 

MSG Driver: 
 - Added support for the Metosat Second Generation raw file format.

GTiff Driver:
 - Added support for offset/scale being saved and loaded (special metadata). 
 - Added Cylindrical Equal Area.
 - Added PROFILE creation option to limit extra tags.

PNG Driver: 
 - Updated internal code for libpng to libpng 1.2.8.


OGR 1.2.6 - Overview of Changes
-------------------------------

OGRSFDriverRegistrar:
 - Added support for autoloading plugin drivers from ogr_<driver>.so. 

ogr.py:
 - Geometry, and Feature now take care of their own reference counting and
   will delete themselves when unreferenced.  Care must still be taken to
   unreference all features before destroying the corresponding 
   layer/datasource.
 - ogr.Feature fields can now be fetched and set directly as attributes. 
 - Geometry contructor can now take various formats (wkt, gml, and wkb). 
 - Added docstrings. 
 - Added better __str__ methods on several objects. 
 - Various other improvements. 

OGRLayer:
 - Re-wrote generic spatial search support to be faster in case of rectangular
   filters. 
 - Intersects() method now really uses GEOS.  This also affects all OGR 
   layer spatial filtering (with non-rectangular filters). 
 - Added SetNextByIndex() method on OGRLayer.  

OGRSpatialReference:
 - Automatically generate +towgs84 from EPSG tables when translating to
   PROJ.4 if available and TOWGS84 not specified in source WKT. 
 - Updated GML CRS translation to follow OGC 05-011 more closely.  Still
   incomplete but operational for some projections. 
 - Added support for FIPSZONE State Plane processing for old ESRI .prjs. 
 - Added Goode Homolosine support. 
 - Added GEOS (Geostationary Satellite) support.

OCI (Oracle) Driver:
 - Added GEOMETRY_NAME creation option to control the name of the field to
   hold the geometry.

PostGIS Driver:
 - Fixed some problems with truncation for integer and float list fields. 

Shapefile Driver: 
 - Added support for MapServer style spatial index (.qix). 

GML Driver: 
 - Improved support for 3L0 (GML 3 - Level 0 profile) reading and writing. 
   On read we can now use the .xsd instead of needing to build a .gfs file. 

Best regards,
-- 
---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
I set the clouds in motion - turn up   | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam at pobox.com
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush    | Geospatial Programmer for Rent



From kjell at cmr.no  Mon Mar 14 13:41:39 2005
From: kjell at cmr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kjell_R=F8ang?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:41:39 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Rotated lat/long GRIB files
Message-ID: <NFEMJGMBOKJJFNDHNLPIAELEDMAA.kjell@cmr.no>

Hi
I came across some rotated latitude/longitude GRIB files (gridded data from
meteorological simulations) and wonder if anyone knows how to transform
between rotated lat/long to ordinary lat/long and back, preferable using an
ellipsoidal coordinate system.

Regards
Kjell R?ang
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From ari.jolma at tkk.fi  Mon Mar 14 14:38:25 2005
From: ari.jolma at tkk.fi (Ari Jolma)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:38:25 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Rotated lat/long GRIB files
In-Reply-To: <NFEMJGMBOKJJFNDHNLPIAELEDMAA.kjell@cmr.no>
References: <NFEMJGMBOKJJFNDHNLPIAELEDMAA.kjell@cmr.no>
Message-ID: <423593D1.4050908@tkk.fi>

Kjell R?ang wrote:

>Hi
>I came across some rotated latitude/longitude GRIB files (gridded data from
>meteorological simulations) and wonder if anyone knows how to transform
>between rotated lat/long to ordinary lat/long and back, preferable using an
>ellipsoidal coordinate system.
>  
>

I've used such data, but they were in NetCDF files and contained 
corresponding ordinary lat & long values for rotated lat values and one 
data set, thus I needed only to look up those and do no transformations.

Maybe those relations (rlon,rlat -> lat; rlon,rlat -> lon) are available 
in the same place where you got the data?

Regards,

Ari Jolma

>Regards
>Kjell R?ang
>  
>
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>Freegis-list mailing list
>Freegis-list at intevation.de
>https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
>  
>


-- 
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Kartografia ja Geoinformatiikka / Cartography and Geoinformatics
Teknillinen Korkeakoulu / Helsinki University of Technology
POBox 1200, 02015 TKK, Finland
Email: ari.jolma at tkk.fi URL: http://www.tkk.fi/~jolma



From bartvde at xs4all.nl  Mon Mar 14 20:35:44 2005
From: bartvde at xs4all.nl (Bart van den Eijnden)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:35:44 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] relationship between Open Source GIS and open
	standards
Message-ID: <opsnm7dugamjfraz@client>

Hi list,

I was wondering why there is such a strong link between Open Source GIS  
and open standards, such as the OGC standards. Some of the reasons I could  
think of are:

-OGC often uses Open Source projects as their reference implementation  
(Deegree for WMS, Geoserver for WFS, Deegree for CS-W)

-Open Source projects sometimes start without having a native interface,  
so when they are in search of an interface they are more likely to end up  
implementing open standard interfaces

I am interested to see if I am missing some viewpoints on this issue.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Bart

-- 
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From fwarmerdam at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 21:01:05 2005
From: fwarmerdam at gmail.com (Frank Warmerdam)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:01:05 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] relationship between Open Source GIS and open
	standards
In-Reply-To: <opsnm7dugamjfraz@client>
References: <opsnm7dugamjfraz@client>
Message-ID: <931f8ea905031412011ae3fa73@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:35:44 +0100, Bart van den Eijnden
<bartvde at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> I was wondering why there is such a strong link between Open Source GIS
> and open standards, such as the OGC standards. Some of the reasons I could
> think of are:

Bart,

A good question.  I'm not sure that there is a super-strong connection 
but there does seem to be some correlation.
 
> -OGC often uses Open Source projects as their reference implementation
> (Deegree for WMS, Geoserver for WFS, Deegree for CS-W)

I think the concept of OGC providing reference implementations of
standards as open source is relatively new, and still has not permiated
OGC or the standards processs in general.  
 
> -Open Source projects sometimes start without having a native interface,
> so when they are in search of an interface they are more likely to end up
> implementing open standard interfaces

I would say lots of new commercial software starts up and is in this
same situation, so it isn't particularly true of open source.   Furthermore, 
some of the packages that have implemented "open" interfaces have done
so after being fairly closely wedded to proprietary interfaces, such as 
MapServer for instance. 

> I am interested to see if I am missing some viewpoints on this issue.

In some cases open source packages are released in an effort to
help popularize and "seed" use of open standards.  This has been
the case with some GML software from Galdos, and the Geoserver/Degree
reference implementation work for instance.  Also, somewhat less 
successfully with stuff like the the early sf4java library. 

Also, I think that those most interested in open standards are often
those who want to avoid "vendor lockin".  Open formats and interfaces
are a big step in that direction, but open source software is also very
helpful at avoiding vendor lockin.  Sort of the ultimate manifestation of
the concern. 

I too would be interested in hearing other opinions on whether there is
a special affinity between open standards and open source. 

Best regards,
-- 
---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
I set the clouds in motion - turn up   | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam at pobox.com
light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush    | Geospatial Programmer for Rent



From dmorissette at dmsolutions.ca  Mon Mar 14 21:07:27 2005
From: dmorissette at dmsolutions.ca (Daniel Morissette)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:07:27 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] relationship between Open Source GIS and open
	standards
In-Reply-To: <opsnm7dugamjfraz@client>
References: <opsnm7dugamjfraz@client>
Message-ID: <4235EEFF.2060105@dmsolutions.ca>

Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
> 
> I was wondering why there is such a strong link between Open Source GIS  
> and open standards, such as the OGC standards. Some of the reasons I 
> could  think of are:
> 
> -OGC often uses Open Source projects as their reference implementation  
> (Deegree for WMS, Geoserver for WFS, Deegree for CS-W)
> 
> -Open Source projects sometimes start without having a native 
> interface,  so when they are in search of an interface they are more 
> likely to end up  implementing open standard interfaces
> 
> I am interested to see if I am missing some viewpoints on this issue.
> 

Personally I think the main reason is that it is in the best interest of 
open source developers and of their users to make sure that their 
software can talk to as many other packages as possible... and OGC 
standards are a natural way to achieve this.

This is the opposite of the "vendor-locking" techniques used by several 
proprietary software vendors to make sure that it is painful enough to 
switch to a competitor that nobody will ever dare to do it. I'm not 
saying that all proprietary software vendors are evil and doing this 
vendor-locking thing, but in their priority list, interoperability 
naturally comes lower than selling software licenses.

Daniel
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------
  Daniel Morissette               dmorissette at dmsolutions.ca
  DM Solutions Group              http://www.dmsolutions.ca/
------------------------------------------------------------



From jrm33 at psu.edu  Mon Mar 14 21:21:08 2005
From: jrm33 at psu.edu (James Macgill)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:21:08 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] relationship between Open Source GIS and open
	standards
In-Reply-To: <opsnm7dugamjfraz@client>
References: <opsnm7dugamjfraz@client>
Message-ID: <4235F234.3010005@psu.edu>

Bart van den Eijnden wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> I was wondering why there is such a strong link between Open Source 
> GIS  and open standards, such as the OGC standards. Some of the 
> reasons I could  think of are:
>
> -OGC often uses Open Source projects as their reference 
> implementation  (Deegree for WMS, Geoserver for WFS, Deegree for CS-W)

Thats not a driver as these projects were well established and using OGC
interfaces long before the Reference Implementation effort.

>
> -Open Source projects sometimes start without having a native 
> interface,  so when they are in search of an interface they are more 
> likely to end up  implementing open standard interfaces

Yes, that is a big part of it but I can also you another... It solves /
prevents arguments.

The GeoTools project (the library project behind GeoServer and uDIG) is
modeled very closely on the OGC specifications.  With a distributed
devlopment group with many different backgrounds havning an 'authority'
to point at can be very helpful.  There are often many different ways of
doing the same thing, and deciding which is the 'right' way can be very
very time consuming (arguments go round in circles) so having a
'standard' to code towards can keep a large group of developers together
and going in the same direction.  Less of an inssue in the closed source
world where a boss can say - we are going to do it 'this way' - and the
team will follow.

There are two other points I would add...

1 Completness.  The OGC standards are written with input from a large
number of individuals and companies with a wide range of requirements.
Whilst they won't cover EVERY situation they do tend to cover more than
indiviual developers will think of up front.

2 Migration.  an Open Source project can say to a potential client 'Use
our project and if dosn't work out, or if our tools are not
fast/stable/functional enough for you then you can switch, at any time,
to the products from comercial vendor X, Y or Z.  We all use the same
standards so try us out for free and feel safe that you can switch over
easily if things go wrong'.  i.e. it takes some of the fear out of using
an open source project if you know that it follows a standard and that
it can be replaced with other tools that follow the same standard.  Of
course the hope is that the client will never make the switch...

James



From neteler at itc.it  Mon Mar 14 21:25:44 2005
From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:25:44 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] GRASS 6.0.0 released
Message-ID: <20050314202543.GA18365@thuille.itc.it>

GRASS GIS 6.0.0 released 10 March 2005

After more than two years of development the first official release of
the next generation implementation of GRASS has been published.

What's new (shortened):

GRASS 6.0.0 comes with a new topological 2D/3D vector engine and
support for vector network analysis. Attributes are managed now in
DBMS (SQL based). A new display manager has been implemented. The NVIZ
visualization tool is enhanced to display 3D vector data and voxel
volumes. Messages are partially translated (i18N) with support for
FreeType fonts including multibyte Asian characters. New LOCATIONs can
be auto-generated by EPSG code number. GRASS is integrated with
GDAL/OGR libraries to support an extensive range of raster and vector
formats including OGC-conformal Simple Features.

For more details, see:
 http://grass.itc.it/announces/announce_grass600.html


-- 
Markus Neteler     <neteler itc it>       http://mpa.itc.it
ITC-irst -  Centro per la Ricerca Scientifica e Tecnologica
MPBA - Predictive Models for Biol. & Environ. Data Analysis
Via Sommarive, 18        -       38050 Povo (Trento), Italy



From cavallini at faunalia.it  Tue Mar 15 08:42:37 2005
From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:42:37 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] OGC standards
Message-ID: <200503150842.38432.cavallini@faunalia.it>

Hi all.
Is there a reason for grass and qgis not being listed as Registered Products 
in the Open Geospatial Consortium? See:
http://www.opengeospatial.org/resources/?page=products
Several other free products are listed (postgis, unm mapserver, etc.).
All the best.
pc
-- 
Paolo Cavallini
cavallini at faunalia.it   www.faunalia.it   www.faunalia.com
Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy   Tel: (+39)348-3801953



From scottdavis99 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 15 18:19:55 2005
From: scottdavis99 at yahoo.com (Scott Davis)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:19:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: gml coordinates to svg screen coordinates
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050315171955.12788.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com>

Christopher,

The trick I've used in the past is to multiply the
decimal values by a constant large enough to make them
integers. (i.e. 1.234567 * 1,000,000 == 1234567)

Then the pixel coord to ground coord translation is
pretty straight forward.

6 decimal places is enough to represent
degree/minute/seconds (but not sub-seconds), so 1
million is a good general purpose constant to start
with.

HTH,
Scott

> > Subject: [Freegis-list] gml coordinates to svg
> screen coordinates
> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:13:10 -0500
> To: freegis-list at intevation.de
> From: Christopher Jon Jursa
> <cjursa at mail.sis.pitt.edu>
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have been experimenting with transforming GML to
> SVG and have gotten help
> here before.
> 
> However, I am having a difficult time converting the
> decimal degree
> coordinates to screen coordinates in my svg code. 
> Does anyone have any
> advice or leads on this?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Christopher Jon Jursa
> PhD Candidate
> School of Information Sciences
> University of Pittsburgh
> Email: cjursa at sis.pitt.edu
> Web: http://gis.sis.pitt.edu
> 
> 
> 


Scott Davis
scottdavis99 at yahoo.com



		
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From ari.jolma at tkk.fi  Wed Mar 16 17:50:22 2005
From: ari.jolma at tkk.fi (Ari Jolma)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:50:22 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] new software Gtk2::GIS
Message-ID: <423863CE.2030108@tkk.fi>

I've just uploaded to sourceforge a set of new versions of my libral,
Geo::Raster and of Gtk2::GIS which is a new Perl module. Gtk2::GIS is a
simple, but hopefully powerful, GIS which builds on Perl/Gtk2, a new
Gtk2 widget for displaying rasters (subclassed from ScrollableWindow),
Geo::Raster, Geo::Shapefile, and libral. This release contains a lot of
self-test code in Geo::Raster, and code cleanup in libral but it should
still be treated as an experimental package. The Gtk2::GIS is an initial
release and contains just the basic functionality. I call Gtk2::GIS a
GIS but it actually is just a set of interoperating Gtk2 widgets which
can be used as such in an application but can also be extended/embedded
in custom applications.

The packages are at http://sourceforge.net/projects/libral/

I've submitted a proposal to OSG'05 to present this software in a 90
minute session but briefly said it is a low level raster algebra library
with a Perl interface and now Perl/Gtk2 GUI. I was in fact surprised to
see how appealing and useful the graphical interface could be since the
libral and Geo-Raster require that overlayed rasters are of same size
and have the same world coordinates. In the GUI, however, since it works
on only world coordinates, it is possible to visualize all kinds of
rasters (and vector data) at the same time. Then, with zooming and
panning the user can go to the place of interest, clip out overalyable
rasters from the visible area and work on those and put the result to
the GUI. Because the GUI is in Perl, it was easy to add an interactive
shell which can be used side by side with the GUI. Also exteding the GIS
is easy as long as one is happy with Perl. Such shell was included in
Geo-Raster previously but the graphics was done with PGPLOT with only
one raster at a time.

I also added support for Shapefiles into Gtk2::GIS using my
Geo::Shapefile (which is a Perl interface to Frank Warmerdam's
shapelib). It works ok but shapefile and raster layers really need to be
made equivalent, i.e., support transparency and layering (now shapefiles
are rendered after rasters). By the way, does anybody know of good
algorithm for rendering (including transparency) polygons as they are in
Shapefiles (non-complex but having potentially holes)?

And, sorry, all this is distributed only as source code and, while
cross-platform in theory (C, Perl and Gtk2 are all cross-platform), is
maybe not simple to build on a non-GNU environment.

Ari Jolma




From dcalvelo at minag.gob.pe  Wed Mar 16 18:37:21 2005
From: dcalvelo at minag.gob.pe (Daniel Calvelo Aros)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:37:21 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] new software Gtk2::GIS
In-Reply-To: <423863CE.2030108@tkk.fi>
References: <423863CE.2030108@tkk.fi>
Message-ID: <20050316173017.M86659@minag.gob.pe>

From: Ari Jolma <ari.jolma at tkk.fi>
Sent: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:50:22 +0200
> By the way, does anybody know of good
> algorithm for rendering (including transparency) polygons as they 
> are in Shapefiles (non-complex but having potentially holes)?

Have you looked at gtk+agg (www.antigrain.com)? you get alpha and antialiasing
in the same vector-drawing library. It's used e.g. in matplotlib.sf.net. I'm
unsure about its speed for GIS, though.

Daniel.



From jan at intevation.de  Thu Mar 17 07:22:46 2005
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:22:46 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] FreeGIS: 3rd generation portal online
Message-ID: <20050317062246.GA19892@intevation.de>

Dear FreeGIS community,

finally the new FreeGIS portal is online.
Thanks for the feedback during beta phase!
Some things are not yet fully optimal. We
are working on it.

All the best

	Jan


Here is the official press release:


	Free GIS Software increasingly successful -
	3rd generation of expert platform unveiled

Predictions have proven true: Software for managing geo-data
increasingly becomes part of our daily life. Beside the obvious car
navigation especially many web-based applications are popular.

This is an area where Free Software products are in the lead with
being flexible and most compatible with technical standards.  To make
Free Software for geo-data processing widely known, the FreeGIS
project [1] was started in 1999.  At that time it was only a link
collection.  Now the project has put the 3rd generation of its web
portal online shortly after its 5th anniversary.  The new side masters
the increasing interest with an improved editorial system and
multi-lingual support.

"Now we can easily distribute the editorial tasks" explains
Dr.  Jan-Oliver Wagner, coordinator of the FreeGIS project.
"This way our volunteers can further increase the quality of
the portal."

The FreeGIS project also acts as promoter of commercial use of
Free GIS Software and emphasizes the professional quality of several
listed products.  "A successful IT business has developed around this
within the past few years" says Frank Koormann, managing director of
Intevation GmbH [2], which hosts the FreeGIS portal on its servers.
"This trend will continue because many products with high potential
are yet unvalued. One example is the new GRASS GIS 6.0 [3] which has
just been released."

[1] http://www.freegis.org
[2] http://www.intevation.net
[3] http://grass.itc.it/

-- 
Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/

Intevation GmbH                      http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS                                http://freegis.org/



From neteler at itc.it  Thu Mar 17 13:01:04 2005
From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:01:04 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] FreeGIS: 3rd generation portal online
In-Reply-To: <20050317062246.GA19892@intevation.de>
References: <20050317062246.GA19892@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <20050317120104.GB6448@thuille.itc.it>

Dear Jan & FreeGIS Team,

congratulations to the launch of the new portal.
It's really nice.

Markus

On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 07:22:46AM +0100, Jan-Oliver Wagner wrote:
> Dear FreeGIS community,
> 
> finally the new FreeGIS portal is online.
> Thanks for the feedback during beta phase!
> Some things are not yet fully optimal. We
> are working on it.
> 
> All the best
> 
> 	Jan
> 
> 
> Here is the official press release:
> 
> 
> 	Free GIS Software increasingly successful -
> 	3rd generation of expert platform unveiled
> 
> Predictions have proven true: Software for managing geo-data
> increasingly becomes part of our daily life. Beside the obvious car
> navigation especially many web-based applications are popular.
> 
> This is an area where Free Software products are in the lead with
> being flexible and most compatible with technical standards.  To make
> Free Software for geo-data processing widely known, the FreeGIS
> project [1] was started in 1999.  At that time it was only a link
> collection.  Now the project has put the 3rd generation of its web
> portal online shortly after its 5th anniversary.  The new side masters
> the increasing interest with an improved editorial system and
> multi-lingual support.
> 
> "Now we can easily distribute the editorial tasks" explains
> Dr.  Jan-Oliver Wagner, coordinator of the FreeGIS project.
> "This way our volunteers can further increase the quality of
> the portal."
> 
> The FreeGIS project also acts as promoter of commercial use of
> Free GIS Software and emphasizes the professional quality of several
> listed products.  "A successful IT business has developed around this
> within the past few years" says Frank Koormann, managing director of
> Intevation GmbH [2], which hosts the FreeGIS portal on its servers.
> "This trend will continue because many products with high potential
> are yet unvalued. One example is the new GRASS GIS 6.0 [3] which has
> just been released."
> 
> [1] http://www.freegis.org
> [2] http://www.intevation.net
> [3] http://grass.itc.it/
> 
> -- 
> Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/
> 
> Intevation GmbH                      http://intevation.de/
> FreeGIS                                http://freegis.org/



From gisdude at hotpop.com  Thu Mar 17 18:19:12 2005
From: gisdude at hotpop.com (GIS Dude)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:19:12 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] FreeGIS: 3rd generation portal online
In-Reply-To: <20050317062246.GA19892@intevation.de>
References: <20050317062246.GA19892@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <4239BC10.2070709@hotpop.com>

Very nice. Great work FreeGIS team.

Jan-Oliver Wagner wrote:

>Dear FreeGIS community,
>
>finally the new FreeGIS portal is online.
>Thanks for the feedback during beta phase!
>Some things are not yet fully optimal. We
>are working on it.
>
>All the best
>
>	Jan
>
>
>Here is the official press release:
>
>
>	Free GIS Software increasingly successful -
>	3rd generation of expert platform unveiled
>
>Predictions have proven true: Software for managing geo-data
>increasingly becomes part of our daily life. Beside the obvious car
>navigation especially many web-based applications are popular.
>
>This is an area where Free Software products are in the lead with
>being flexible and most compatible with technical standards.  To make
>Free Software for geo-data processing widely known, the FreeGIS
>project [1] was started in 1999.  At that time it was only a link
>collection.  Now the project has put the 3rd generation of its web
>portal online shortly after its 5th anniversary.  The new side masters
>the increasing interest with an improved editorial system and
>multi-lingual support.
>
>"Now we can easily distribute the editorial tasks" explains
>Dr.  Jan-Oliver Wagner, coordinator of the FreeGIS project.
>"This way our volunteers can further increase the quality of
>the portal."
>
>The FreeGIS project also acts as promoter of commercial use of
>Free GIS Software and emphasizes the professional quality of several
>listed products.  "A successful IT business has developed around this
>within the past few years" says Frank Koormann, managing director of
>Intevation GmbH [2], which hosts the FreeGIS portal on its servers.
>"This trend will continue because many products with high potential
>are yet unvalued. One example is the new GRASS GIS 6.0 [3] which has
>just been released."
>
>[1] http://www.freegis.org
>[2] http://www.intevation.net
>[3] http://grass.itc.it/
>
>  
>




From dcalvelo at minag.gob.pe  Thu Mar 17 18:40:06 2005
From: dcalvelo at minag.gob.pe (Daniel Calvelo Aros)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:40:06 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] FreeGIS: 3rd generation portal online
In-Reply-To: <20050317062246.GA19892@intevation.de>
References: <20050317062246.GA19892@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <20050317173707.M48637@minag.gob.pe>

Great!

I tried the "translated" versions of the page, but none seems configured
currently (at least for the main page). Is this a technical problem or you
need translators? (yes, I'm volounteering, spanish and french as usual... got
to keep my french skills up :)

Cheers,

Daniel.

-- Daniel Calvelo Aros

---------- Original Message -----------
From: Jan-Oliver Wagner <jan at intevation.de>
To: FreeGIS Mailing List <freegis-list at intevation.de>
Sent: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:22:46 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] FreeGIS: 3rd generation portal online

> Dear FreeGIS community,
> 
> finally the new FreeGIS portal is online.
> Thanks for the feedback during beta phase!
> Some things are not yet fully optimal. We
> are working on it.
> 
> All the best
> 
> 	Jan
> 
> Here is the official press release:
> 
> 	Free GIS Software increasingly successful -
> 	3rd generation of expert platform unveiled
> 
> Predictions have proven true: Software for managing geo-data
> increasingly becomes part of our daily life. Beside the obvious car
> navigation especially many web-based applications are popular.
> 
> This is an area where Free Software products are in the lead with
> being flexible and most compatible with technical standards.  To make
> Free Software for geo-data processing widely known, the FreeGIS
> project [1] was started in 1999.  At that time it was only a link
> collection.  Now the project has put the 3rd generation of its web
> portal online shortly after its 5th anniversary.  The new side 
> masters the increasing interest with an improved editorial system 
> and multi-lingual support.
> 
> "Now we can easily distribute the editorial tasks" explains
> Dr.  Jan-Oliver Wagner, coordinator of the FreeGIS project.
> "This way our volunteers can further increase the quality of
> the portal."
> 
> The FreeGIS project also acts as promoter of commercial use of
> Free GIS Software and emphasizes the professional quality of several
> listed products.  "A successful IT business has developed around this
> within the past few years" says Frank Koormann, managing director of
> Intevation GmbH [2], which hosts the FreeGIS portal on its servers.
> "This trend will continue because many products with high potential
> are yet unvalued. One example is the new GRASS GIS 6.0 [3] which has
> just been released."
> 
> [1] http://www.freegis.org
> [2] http://www.intevation.net
> [3] http://grass.itc.it/
> 
> -- 
> Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/
> 
> Intevation GmbH                      http://intevation.de/
> FreeGIS                                http://freegis.org/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Freegis-list mailing list
> Freegis-list at intevation.de
> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
------- End of Original Message -------



From jan at intevation.de  Fri Mar 18 09:17:37 2005
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:17:37 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] FreeGIS: 3rd generation portal online
In-Reply-To: <20050317173707.M48637@minag.gob.pe>
References: <20050317062246.GA19892@intevation.de>
	<20050317173707.M48637@minag.gob.pe>
Message-ID: <20050318081737.GA12510@intevation.de>

On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 12:40:06PM -0500, Daniel Calvelo Aros wrote:
> I tried the "translated" versions of the page, but none seems configured
> currently (at least for the main page). Is this a technical problem or you
> need translators?

By default the language which is configured in your browser will be
taken (if available, else english).
There is a bug that you need to reload the page after you changed
the language manually.

We only have a mostly-complete german translation and a small test
for french.

In a first instance I can send you a po-file of the site for
translation. But note that there naturally might occur some string changes
in the near future.

> (yes, I'm volounteering, spanish and french as usual... got
> to keep my french skills up :)

Any help is appreciated. Your name will go to the hall of fame of
course :-)

Best

	Jan
-- 
Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/

Intevation GmbH                      http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS                                http://freegis.org/



From adoyle at eogeo.org  Fri Mar 18 18:25:31 2005
From: adoyle at eogeo.org (Allan Doyle)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:25:31 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] relationship between Open Source GIS and open
	standards
In-Reply-To: <4235F234.3010005@psu.edu>
References: <opsnm7dugamjfraz@client> <4235F234.3010005@psu.edu>
Message-ID: <e2a8351acd9a3f5774a9e6ef84d34f31@eogeo.org>

Perhaps a little late, I'm just back from a short vacation...

It's a little hard to decide what the cause and effect relationship is 
in terms of FOSS and open standards. However, in a study I participated 
in for NASA, we determined that there seemed to be a higher acceptance 
rate for standards or specs that had open source implementations than 
for those that did not. This was based largely on anecdotal evidence, 
not on any hard numbers, however.

I also think that by adopting open standards, FOSS packages can 
themselves interoperate and thus provide a broader solution in a given 
space. Clients and servers can be developed by different projects that 
can specialize on their forte.

Note that open standards need not come from standards bodies. GeoTIFF 
is a good example of a standard that has no official status but has 
served well in both open and closed source worlds.

	Allan

On Mar 14, 2005, at 15:21, James Macgill wrote:

> Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I was wondering why there is such a strong link between Open Source 
>> GIS  and open standards, such as the OGC standards. Some of the 
>> reasons I could  think of are:
>>
>> -OGC often uses Open Source projects as their reference 
>> implementation  (Deegree for WMS, Geoserver for WFS, Deegree for 
>> CS-W)
>
> Thats not a driver as these projects were well established and using 
> OGC
> interfaces long before the Reference Implementation effort.
>
>>
>> -Open Source projects sometimes start without having a native 
>> interface,  so when they are in search of an interface they are more 
>> likely to end up  implementing open standard interfaces
>
> Yes, that is a big part of it but I can also you another... It solves /
> prevents arguments.
>
> The GeoTools project (the library project behind GeoServer and uDIG) is
> modeled very closely on the OGC specifications.  With a distributed
> devlopment group with many different backgrounds havning an 'authority'
> to point at can be very helpful.  There are often many different ways 
> of
> doing the same thing, and deciding which is the 'right' way can be very
> very time consuming (arguments go round in circles) so having a
> 'standard' to code towards can keep a large group of developers 
> together
> and going in the same direction.  Less of an inssue in the closed 
> source
> world where a boss can say - we are going to do it 'this way' - and the
> team will follow.
>
> There are two other points I would add...
>
> 1 Completness.  The OGC standards are written with input from a large
> number of individuals and companies with a wide range of requirements.
> Whilst they won't cover EVERY situation they do tend to cover more than
> indiviual developers will think of up front.
>
> 2 Migration.  an Open Source project can say to a potential client 'Use
> our project and if dosn't work out, or if our tools are not
> fast/stable/functional enough for you then you can switch, at any time,
> to the products from comercial vendor X, Y or Z.  We all use the same
> standards so try us out for free and feel safe that you can switch over
> easily if things go wrong'.  i.e. it takes some of the fear out of 
> using
> an open source project if you know that it follows a standard and that
> it can be replaced with other tools that follow the same standard.  Of
> course the hope is that the client will never make the switch...
>
> James
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Freegis-list at intevation.de
> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
>



From arnulf.christl at ccgis.de  Mon Mar 21 14:22:48 2005
From: arnulf.christl at ccgis.de (Arnulf Christl (CCGIS))
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:22:48 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Freegis-list] relationship between Open Source GIS and open 
	standards
In-Reply-To: <931f8ea905031412011ae3fa73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <opsnm7dugamjfraz@client>
	<931f8ea905031412011ae3fa73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51451.192.168.0.5.1111411368.squirrel@192.168.0.5>


> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:35:44 +0100, Bart van den Eijnden
> <bartvde at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I was wondering why there is such a strong link between Open Source GIS
>> and open standards, such as the OGC standards. Some of the reasons I
>> could think of are:
[...]

Somewhat belated more ideas:

Geodata is inherently borderless hence interoperability is especially
important. Geodata by nature is large, expensive, cost intensive and
persistent. Geo people likewise tend to have a long memory. The need for
interoperable and future-proof software thus is very high.

This is true independently of development models or software licences.

Open Source (though i tend to like the term Free Software better)
development models are more often solution oriented. People (users) asking
for standards will get them pretty quick for several reasons. Less effort
and time has to be put into strategic or commercially motivated
considerations by the developer: Who might be compatible that we don't
want to be compatible with. The developers' dream comes true: Any
implementation following accepted standards will automatically broaden the
scope of the software for every potential user. It is easier to compare,
debug and test development with other standardized solutions.
No product management team will hassle developers with strategic
considerations.

Our personal experience is rather more trivial. It is a lot easier to
implement a clean standard specification and tell the counterpart to do
likewise than to constantly reinvent the wheel for every existing
non-standard interface (some might argue?!).
OGC standards have grown from a lot of experience (again a great many
thanx to all those who are involved, free and unfree!) and always try to
see the whole scope. Chances are high (and we see it happen every day)
that new problems are solved by simply combining existing standardized
components.

Last but not least there are a great many Free Software advocates out
there shouting out load that implementing open standards is what you need
- maybe this could also have some effect.
:-)

Best,
Arnulf



From thanhlp at vidagis.com  Tue Mar 22 03:15:29 2005
From: thanhlp at vidagis.com (Thanh Le Phuoc)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:15:29 +0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] pocket GIS
In-Reply-To: <51451.192.168.0.5.1111411368.squirrel@192.168.0.5>
Message-ID: <000001c52e85$0767ac10$26020a0a@VIDAGIS.local>

Dear list,

I am looking for an open source develop tool for pocket - GIS. Is there
any research on that? We intend to develop a small application to
display street map on pocketPC.

Thanks!

Best regards,

Thanh Le Phuoc


-----Original Message-----
From: freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de
[mailto:freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de] On Behalf Of Arnulf Christl
(CCGIS)
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:23 PM
To: freegis-list at intevation.de
Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] relationship between Open Source GIS and
open standards


> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:35:44 +0100, Bart van den Eijnden
> <bartvde at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I was wondering why there is such a strong link between Open Source
GIS
>> and open standards, such as the OGC standards. Some of the reasons I
>> could think of are:
[...]

Somewhat belated more ideas:

Geodata is inherently borderless hence interoperability is especially
important. Geodata by nature is large, expensive, cost intensive and
persistent. Geo people likewise tend to have a long memory. The need for
interoperable and future-proof software thus is very high.

This is true independently of development models or software licences.

Open Source (though i tend to like the term Free Software better)
development models are more often solution oriented. People (users)
asking
for standards will get them pretty quick for several reasons. Less
effort
and time has to be put into strategic or commercially motivated
considerations by the developer: Who might be compatible that we don't
want to be compatible with. The developers' dream comes true: Any
implementation following accepted standards will automatically broaden
the
scope of the software for every potential user. It is easier to compare,
debug and test development with other standardized solutions.
No product management team will hassle developers with strategic
considerations.

Our personal experience is rather more trivial. It is a lot easier to
implement a clean standard specification and tell the counterpart to do
likewise than to constantly reinvent the wheel for every existing
non-standard interface (some might argue?!).
OGC standards have grown from a lot of experience (again a great many
thanx to all those who are involved, free and unfree!) and always try to
see the whole scope. Chances are high (and we see it happen every day)
that new problems are solved by simply combining existing standardized
components.

Last but not least there are a great many Free Software advocates out
there shouting out load that implementing open standards is what you
need
- maybe this could also have some effect.
:-)

Best,
Arnulf

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Freegis-list mailing list
Freegis-list at intevation.de
https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list




From dmorissette at dmsolutions.ca  Tue Mar 22 03:25:04 2005
From: dmorissette at dmsolutions.ca (Daniel Morissette)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:25:04 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] pocket GIS
In-Reply-To: <000001c52e85$0767ac10$26020a0a@VIDAGIS.local>
References: <000001c52e85$0767ac10$26020a0a@VIDAGIS.local>
Message-ID: <423F8200.8010201@dmsolutions.ca>

Thanh Le Phuoc wrote:
> Dear list,
> 
> I am looking for an open source develop tool for pocket - GIS. Is there
> any research on that? We intend to develop a small application to
> display street map on pocketPC.
> 

SuperWaba is a Java-like development environment for building 
cross-platform apps for PDAs: http://www.superwaba.com.br/en/default.asp

They used to be fully open source but unfortunately at v5.0 they have 
restricted the open source license only to non-commercial use, and 
require a low-cost license fee for commercial use.

There are some classes available for GPS support, but other than that I 
don't think there are any GIS development libs for SuperWaba 
unfortunately. It would be great to see some developments happening on 
that front. I've used Superwaba for regular form-based apps and it works 
great, and the apps really do work as well on a Palm as on a PocketPC, 
and should in theory run on Linux PDAs but I didn't verify that.

Daniel
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------
  Daniel Morissette               dmorissette at dmsolutions.ca
  DM Solutions Group              http://www.dmsolutions.ca/
------------------------------------------------------------



From reed at interreality.org  Tue Mar 22 14:13:05 2005
From: reed at interreality.org (Reed Hedges)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:13:05 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] pocket GIS
In-Reply-To: <000001c52e85$0767ac10$26020a0a@VIDAGIS.local>
References: <000001c52e85$0767ac10$26020a0a@VIDAGIS.local>
Message-ID: <20C1E365-9AD4-11D9-AC99-0003937962DA@interreality.org>


On Mar 21, 2005, at 9:15 PM, Thanh Le Phuoc wrote:

> Dear list,
>
> I am looking for an open source develop tool for pocket - GIS. Is there
> any research on that? We intend to develop a small application to
> display street map on pocketPC.
>

Some day I will try building some Qt sofware I use, including QGIS, for 
Windows on PocketPC.

Reed



From bpicinbono at worldonline.fr  Tue Mar 22 15:54:11 2005
From: bpicinbono at worldonline.fr (blaise)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:54:11 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] pocket GIS
In-Reply-To: <20050322110003.5AA1D1005A9@lists.intevation.de>
References: <20050322110003.5AA1D1005A9@lists.intevation.de>
Message-ID: <200503221554.11882.bpicinbono@worldonline.fr>

Le mardi 22 Mars 2005 12:00, Thanh Le Phuoc a ?crit?:
>Dear list,
>I am looking for an open source develop tool for pocket - GIS. Is there
>any research on that? We intend to develop a small application to
>display street map on pocketPC.
>Thanks!
>Best regards,
>Thanh Le Phuoc

 I'm now trying to compile MapServer for Zaurus pda (linux driven). Not easy, 
but I keep trying. I will post a message here if I manage to.
Blaise




From thanhlp at vidagis.com  Wed Mar 23 02:44:34 2005
From: thanhlp at vidagis.com (Thanh Le Phuoc)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:44:34 +0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] pocket GIS
In-Reply-To: <200503221554.11882.bpicinbono@worldonline.fr>
Message-ID: <002a01c52f49$dfd6c6c0$26020a0a@VIDAGIS.local>

Thanks for all your information, this list really helfull.
Please inform us when you finish some research on pocketGIS topic.

Another question: I know I can import the list to Outlook, or
browse,search the list instead of received list emails. Please tell me
that is possible and how to do that?. Thanks a lot!

Good luck for all!
Best regards,

Thanh Le Phuoc
Deputy General Director - Master of GIS



-----Original Message-----
From: freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de
[mailto:freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de] On Behalf Of blaise
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:54 PM
To: freegis-list at intevation.de
Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] pocket GIS

Le mardi 22 Mars 2005 12:00, Thanh Le Phuoc a ?crit?:
>Dear list,
>I am looking for an open source develop tool for pocket - GIS. Is there
>any research on that? We intend to develop a small application to
>display street map on pocketPC.
>Thanks!
>Best regards,
>Thanh Le Phuoc

 I'm now trying to compile MapServer for Zaurus pda (linux driven). Not
easy, 
but I keep trying. I will post a message here if I manage to.
Blaise


_______________________________________________
Freegis-list mailing list
Freegis-list at intevation.de
https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list




From jan at intevation.de  Wed Mar 23 08:32:31 2005
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:32:31 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] pocket GIS
In-Reply-To: <002a01c52f49$dfd6c6c0$26020a0a@VIDAGIS.local>
References: <200503221554.11882.bpicinbono@worldonline.fr>
	<002a01c52f49$dfd6c6c0$26020a0a@VIDAGIS.local>
Message-ID: <20050323073231.GA18053@intevation.de>

On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 08:44:34AM +0700, Thanh Le Phuoc wrote:
> Another question: I know I can import the list to Outlook, or
> browse,search the list instead of received list emails. Please tell me
> that is possible and how to do that?. Thanks a lot!

in the mail header you will always find a URL where you will
find the archive of the FreeGIS mailing list.

I do not know whether Outlook is able to show it, so here it
is for convenience: http://intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list

Best

	Jan
-- 
Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/

Intevation GmbH                      http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS                                http://freegis.org/



From neteler at itc.it  Wed Mar 23 12:18:59 2005
From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:18:59 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] pocket GIS
In-Reply-To: <20C1E365-9AD4-11D9-AC99-0003937962DA@interreality.org>
References: <000001c52e85$0767ac10$26020a0a@VIDAGIS.local>
	<20C1E365-9AD4-11D9-AC99-0003937962DA@interreality.org>
Message-ID: <20050323111859.GF19847@thuille.itc.it>

On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 08:13:05AM -0500, Reed Hedges wrote:
> 
> On Mar 21, 2005, at 9:15 PM, Thanh Le Phuoc wrote:
> 
> >Dear list,
> >
> >I am looking for an open source develop tool for pocket - GIS. Is there
> >any research on that? We intend to develop a small application to
> >display street map on pocketPC.
> >

Here is GRASS on iPAQ and zaurus:
 http://grass.itc.it/platforms/grasshandheld.html

We intend to make a new GRASS 6 package in April.

Markus



From bernhard at intevation.de  Wed Mar 23 15:05:37 2005
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:05:37 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] free software GIS and open standards (was:
	relationship between Open Source GIS and open standards)
In-Reply-To: <opsnm7dugamjfraz@client>
References: <opsnm7dugamjfraz@client>
Message-ID: <20050323140537.GC31871@intevation.de>

Am 14. Mar 2005 um 20:35:44 schrieb Bart van den Eijnden:
> I was wondering why there is such a strong link between Open Source GIS  
> and open standards, such as the OGC standards. Some of the reasons I could  
> think of are:

In 2001 I spoke in a track to the OECD IT security conference in Tokio 
about standards.

You could identify several ways how standards are created.
Mr. Karppinen called the two ways: a) "De jure standards"
and b) "De facto standards".  Prof. Naemura in addition named 
Free Software as important process to gain standards.

I think there was an agreement that Free Software playes an
important role in creating and estabilishing standards.

To me an open standard of a technology has at least two
implementations which one of them being Free Software.
Having one good Free Software solution often is second best
to having an open standard in the above sense.

Best,
	Bernhard

-- 
Professional Service around Free Software                (intevation.net)  
Experts for web based GIS! In business since 1999:
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From gianni.bassini at provincia.cremona.it  Thu Mar 24 12:09:12 2005
From: gianni.bassini at provincia.cremona.it (Gianni Bassini - Provincia di Cremona)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:09:12 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] ECW Source SDK Available - Linux Binaries Prepared
Message-ID: <42429FD8.3080308@provincia.cremona.it>

Soory I'm a newbie
how do i install ecwsdk to recompile gdal libraries ?



>Folks,
>
>The long awaited release of the ECW SDK from ERMapper has finally arrived,
>and I have built the code for Linux (with gcc 3.3).  The building is a bit
>tricky, so I thought it might be of interest to some folks to have pre-build
>binaries for linux.  I have put them at:
>
>   http://gdal.org/dl/ecwsdk-3.1.25Jan05-linux.tar.gz
>
>I *think* this should work with gdal 1.2.5.  I have also used it with the
>current GDAL ECW driver code which requires the features of version 3.1.
>It worked, but I needed to commit a few fixes, so if you want to use the
>latest stuff make sure you get the nightly snapshot that will be prepared
>in a few hours or use GDAL straight from CVS.
>
>Best regards,

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From bernhard at intevation.de  Thu Mar 24 12:53:34 2005
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:53:34 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] ECW Source SDK -- non-free
In-Reply-To: <42429FD8.3080308@provincia.cremona.it>
References: <42429FD8.3080308@provincia.cremona.it>
Message-ID: <20050324115334.GE18110@intevation.de>

Am 24. Mar 2005 um 12:09:12 schrieb Gianni Bassini - Provincia di Cremona:
> Soory I'm a newbie
> how do i install ecwsdk to recompile gdal libraries ?

Note that this is proprietary software, 
as the license does not seem to bring enough freedom.

This is what Debian will not pick it up
and this is the wrong list to ask technical support for it.

About the license, see:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/02/msg00061.html

Best,
	Bernhard
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From starged at videotron.ca  Fri Mar 25 04:41:17 2005
From: starged at videotron.ca (Mario Beauchamp)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:41:17 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] WMS Tool for OpenEV Beta release
Message-ID: <4243885D.4010202@videotron.ca>

Hi,

This is to announce the release of my (long awaited!) WMS Tool for OpenEV.
All the infos are here:
http://pages.infinit.net/starged/openev/wmstool/home.htm

This is a beta version as it still needs to be thoroughly tested before any "official" release 
can happen...

Thanks in advance to all testers.
--
Mario B.



From dmm at soi.city.ac.uk  Tue Mar 29 19:13:20 2005
From: dmm at soi.city.ac.uk (David Mountain)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:13:20 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] pocket GIS
Message-ID: <001901c53482$9b417bc0$2160288a@perch>

Hi

I haven't much experience of open source mobile GIS. Mostly I have either
developed stuff from scratch using GIS java libraries such as the java
topology suite: http://www.vividsolutions.com/jts/jtshome.htm or used
commercial solutions such as ESRI's ArcPad.

For those keen on the open source mobile GIS solution, the following may be
instructive:
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9671.2004.00177.x/
abs/

David
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>>Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] pocket GIS
>>Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:13:05 -0500
>>To: freegis-list at intevation.de
>>From: Reed Hedges <reed at interreality.org>
>>
>>On Mar 21, 2005, at 9:15 PM, Thanh Le Phuoc wrote:
>>
>>>Dear list,
>>>
>>>I am looking for an open source develop tool for pocket - GIS. Is 
>>>there any research on that? We intend to develop a small application 
>>>to display street map on pocketPC.
>>
>>Some day I will try building some Qt sofware I use, including QGIS, 
>>for
>>Windows on PocketPC.
>>
>>Reed
>>
>>Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:54:11 +0100
>>In-Reply-To: <20050322110003.5AA1D1005A9 at lists.intevation.de>
>>From: blaise <bpicinbono at worldonline.fr>
>>
>>Le mardi 22 Mars 2005 12:00, Thanh Le Phuoc a ?crit :
>> >Dear list,
>> >I am looking for an open source develop tool for pocket - GIS. Is 
>> >there any research on that? We intend to develop a small application 
>> >to display street map on pocketPC. Thanks!
>> >Best regards,
>> >Thanh Le Phuoc
>>
>>I'm now trying to compile MapServer for Zaurus pda (linux driven). Not
>>easy,
>>but I keep trying. I will post a message here if I manage to.
>>Blaise
>>