From steveb at bundaberg.qld.gov.au Wed Jun 1 04:48:05 2005 From: steveb at bundaberg.qld.gov.au (Steven Bowden) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:48:05 +1000 Subject: [Freegis-list] gis meeting In-Reply-To: <20050531181334.M68724@minag.gob.pe> References: <200505300806.47083.cavallini@faunalia.it> <200505310829.02539.cavallini@faunalia.it> <20050531181334.M68724@minag.gob.pe> Message-ID: <200506011248.05141.steveb@bundaberg.qld.gov.au> On Wednesday 01 June 2005 04:22, Daniel Calvelo Aros wrote: > there is no commmercial major GIS for linux; There is GenaMap produced by GenaWare http://www.genaware.com/ We have been running it on Linux for about 4 years now. Prior to that we have run it on DEC Alpha and HPUX. As far as I know they are the only commercial GIS that actively supports the use of some open source tools, ie linux and Postgersql. As far as I know none of the other major GIS players actively support Postgresql as a db backend. Regards Steve From arnulf.christl at ccgis.de Wed Jun 1 14:20:56 2005 From: arnulf.christl at ccgis.de (Arnulf Christl) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:20:56 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] gis meeting In-Reply-To: <200506011248.05141.steveb@bundaberg.qld.gov.au> References: <200505300806.47083.cavallini@faunalia.it> <200505310829.02539.cavallini@faunalia.it> <20050531181334.M68724@minag.gob.pe> <200506011248.05141.steveb@bundaberg.qld.gov.au> Message-ID: <429DA828.8050409@ccgis.de> Steven Bowden wrote: > On Wednesday 01 June 2005 04:22, Daniel Calvelo Aros wrote: > >>there is no commmercial major GIS for linux; > > > There is GenaMap produced by GenaWare http://www.genaware.com/ > We have been running it on Linux for about 4 years now. Prior to that we have > run it on DEC Alpha and HPUX. > > As far as I know they are the only commercial GIS that actively supports the > use of some open source tools, ie linux and Postgersql. As far as I know > none of the other major GIS players actively support Postgresql as a db > backend. > > Regards > Steve In the realm of spatial data infrastructures support and use of Free Software by proprietary producers is a lot more common than in the traditional GIS context. i have heard of rumors that ESRI SDE will support PostGIS in one of the next versions. Should be difficult not to as it supports all relevant OGC standards. :-) The German GIS vendor ibR also "promised" to support PostGIS, but i did not see it in cold print yet. Further off the Free Software concept (this is not new) people talk about Oracle "being" Open Source because it runs on Linux. Proprietay vendors already make heavy use of Free Software, especially operating systems (GNU/Linux) and web servers (Apache) though no GIS as yet. Somewhat belated but maybe still of interest: The attitude of proprietary vendors regarding Open Source GIS (components) have been verbalized by Intergraph, ESRI, Autodesk, Oracle, GE Smallworld and c-plan in a press conference in Munich 2004/07/20. A report including some statements can be found here: (German language): http://www.rtg.bv.tum.de/index.php/article/view/387 http://www.rtg.bv.tum.de/index.php/article/view/388 The expert group was supposed to shed light on the terms Open, Open Source, Open GIS (former OGC; now Open Geospatial) and Open Software (whatever that might be). They refused to use the term Free Software because "we want to reach broad interest and nobody would understand what is meant by Free Software. Open Source is better known". Well!? my short personal interpretation (not a translation!): The main question was whether proprieatary GIS vendors (they said commercial but meant proprietary) fear reduced turnover. UMN MapServer, GeoServer, PostGIS, deegree, PROJ4, OGR and so on were easily identified as not fulfilling traditional GIS design parameters and thus to be incomparable. The only complete Open Source GIS that is comparable to traditional proprietary products was thus identified to be GRASS. Winzenh?ller (Autodesk) said that the commercial success of Autodesk is measured by generated revenue, not by providing Open Source software. The GIS market itself is a minor market for Autodesk. Open Source components make up an even lesser share, therefore it is not important for Autodesks revenue. Interesting: If users ever would request Open Source (which they did not until that day) Autodesk would provide it! Markus (c-plan; then a swiss based reseller of Autodesk software and producer of TOPOBASE, a spatial and GIS extension for Oracle) said that they already ship some OS components if requested by users. The mayor point of criticism was that all "Open Source licenses" supposedly still were legally arguable. btw: c-plan has been bought by Autodesk a few weeks ago. Alisch (Intergraph) repeated the will to cooperate with the Open Source community as soon as all open legal issues are clarified. i do not remember which legal issues he meant and the report does not state either. But i do remember that they said that they recognize Open Source GIS components as a challenge and will scrutinize possibilities of how to integrate the OS software and communities (does that mean devour?). Buziek (ESRI Germany) stated that the mosst important issue really is the geo data and therefore should be the center of discussion. Not a word about their own plans, fears, or anything. Our suggestion that ESRI will have to Free its software in order to stay market leader produced a "maybe sometime" and a weak smile. :-) Schlageter (GE Smallworld) supports the idea to integrate Open Source - but only after all legal questions have been resolved. Seiwerth (Oracle) pronounced the importance of Open Source regarding Linux as an operating system for Oracle databases. To compete with PotgreSQL/PostGIS Oracle will simply always have to be better. Most interestingly one mayor point of criticism by all proprietary vendors was that development of Open Source GIS software supposedly is developer centric and not user centric like it should be. My feeling was that the GIS industry in the US has not yet recongized the full potential of Free Software which causes problems for the marketing strategies in Europe. Maybe perception is already slowly changing. Best, From jrbtech at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 19:01:46 2005 From: jrbtech at gmail.com (JRB Technology) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:01:46 +0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] gis meeting In-Reply-To: <200506011248.05141.steveb@bundaberg.qld.gov.au> References: <200505300806.47083.cavallini@faunalia.it> <200505310829.02539.cavallini@faunalia.it> <20050531181334.M68724@minag.gob.pe> <200506011248.05141.steveb@bundaberg.qld.gov.au> Message-ID: Is they software opensource ? -jim http://www.gisforums.com/ On 6/1/05, Steven Bowden wrote: > On Wednesday 01 June 2005 04:22, Daniel Calvelo Aros wrote: > > there is no commmercial major GIS for linux; > > There is GenaMap produced by GenaWare http://www.genaware.com/ > We have been running it on Linux for about 4 years now. Prior to that we have > run it on DEC Alpha and HPUX. > > As far as I know they are the only commercial GIS that actively supports the > use of some open source tools, ie linux and Postgersql. As far as I know > none of the other major GIS players actively support Postgresql as a db > backend. > > Regards > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > From steveb at bundaberg.qld.gov.au Thu Jun 2 04:15:19 2005 From: steveb at bundaberg.qld.gov.au (steveb@bundaberg.qld.gov.au) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:15:19 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Freegis-list] gis meeting In-Reply-To: References: <200505300806.47083.cavallini@faunalia.it> <200505310829.02539.cavallini@faunalia.it> <20050531181334.M68724@minag.gob.pe> <200506011248.05141.steveb@bundaberg.qld.gov.au> Message-ID: <41587.218.214.127.21.1117678519.squirrel@mail.bundaberg.qld.gov.au> Unfortunately not at present but there has been talk of it at one stage. Nothing has come of it yet, but I am still hopeful that something might in the future. http://home.people.net.au/~stevenbowden/forums/genamap/viewtopic.php?t=119 > Is they software opensource ? > > -jim > > http://www.gisforums.com/ > > > On 6/1/05, Steven Bowden wrote: >> On Wednesday 01 June 2005 04:22, Daniel Calvelo Aros wrote: >> > there is no commmercial major GIS for linux; >> >> There is GenaMap produced by GenaWare http://www.genaware.com/ >> We have been running it on Linux for about 4 years now. Prior to that we >> have >> run it on DEC Alpha and HPUX. >> >> As far as I know they are the only commercial GIS that actively supports >> the >> use of some open source tools, ie linux and Postgersql. As far as I >> know >> none of the other major GIS players actively support Postgresql as a db >> backend. >> >> Regards >> Steve >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Freegis-list mailing list >> Freegis-list at intevation.de >> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > From shekhar at crit.org.in Sat Jun 4 03:09:47 2005 From: shekhar at crit.org.in (Shekhar Krishnan) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 02:09:47 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Mumbai Free Map In-Reply-To: <41587.218.214.127.21.1117678519.squirrel@mail.bundaberg.qld.gov.au> References: <200505300806.47083.cavallini@faunalia.it> <200505310829.02539.cavallini@faunalia.it> <20050531181334.M68724@minag.gob.pe> <200506011248.05141.steveb@bundaberg.qld.gov.au> <41587.218.214.127.21.1117678519.squirrel@mail.bundaberg.qld.gov.au> Message-ID: <805482a5813b6b14d30abe05f406b7ac@crit.org.in> Dear All: Please see the latest demo of the Mumbai Free Map on http://freemap.crit.org.in This now contains detailed vector layers for roads, railways, buildings and plots, projected onto a satellite composite image of the city. The data has been sourced from existing municipal development plans, surveys, and maps, which we have scanned, traced and stitched together with our archive of project materials at CRIT. This project has been developed using completely free and open source software (Map Server, GRASS, QGIS) and copyleft and public geographic data. The project web page is on http://www.crit.org.in/projects/gis and we welcome comments and feedback on it as we begin developing an interface by which to annotate the maps and develop this as an open source and interactive archive and community information infrastructure. Regards, S.K. _____ Shekhar Krishnan CRIT (Collective Research Initiatives Trust) B-43, Shravasti Goregaon-Malad Link Road Malad (West), Mumbai 400064 India http://www.crit.org.in/members/shekhar From arnulf.christl at ccgis.de Sun Jun 5 23:36:22 2005 From: arnulf.christl at ccgis.de (Arnulf Christl (CCGIS)) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 23:36:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Freegis-list] Mumbai Free Map In-Reply-To: <805482a5813b6b14d30abe05f406b7ac@crit.org.in> References: <200505300806.47083.cavallini@faunalia.it> <200505310829.02539.cavallini@faunalia.it> <20050531181334.M68724@minag.gob.pe> <200506011248.05141.steveb@bundaberg.qld.gov.au> <41587.218.214.127.21.1117678519.squirrel@mail.bundaberg.qld.gov.au> <805482a5813b6b14d30abe05f406b7ac@crit.org.in> Message-ID: <54440.192.168.0.5.1118007382.squirrel@192.168.0.5> > Dear All: > > Please see the latest demo of the Mumbai Free Map on > http://freemap.crit.org.in > > This now contains detailed vector layers for roads, railways, buildings > and plots, projected onto a satellite composite image of the city. The > data has been sourced from existing municipal development plans, > surveys, and maps, which we have scanned, traced and stitched together > with our archive of project materials at CRIT. > > This project has been developed using completely free and open source > software (Map Server, GRASS, QGIS) and copyleft and public geographic > data. > > The project web page is on http://www.crit.org.in/projects/gis and we > welcome comments and feedback on it as we begin developing an interface > by which to annotate the maps and develop this as an open source and > interactive archive and community information infrastructure. > > Regards, > > > S.K. Hello, maybe you are interested in the Mapbender project. http://www.mapbender.org The software is licensed under the GNU/GPL and provides a lot of functionality. It runs on most every architecture and sticks to using OGC standards. We are currently extending edit functionality for several collaborative community projects (hiker, biker, geocacher, handicapped people, etc.) The base geo data most of the time has to be taken from public or commons sources sometimes making it very difficult to cover a larger area. If you are interested in more detail you can contact me directly. Best, Arnulf. From cavallini at faunalia.it Fri Jun 10 19:59:53 2005 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:59:53 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] free gis data Message-ID: <200506101959.54497.cavallini@faunalia.it> Hi all. Currently the situation of GIS data in Europe is rather grim, as most of you know, and the proposed Inspire directive does not seem imporving it drammatically. I talked to several public administrators, and I found that mostly they agree in letting people have and use "their" data, but they are concerned about possible commercial exploitations. Of course they have no idea about GPL, Commons etc. I believe preparing a white paper on why and how gis data could be set free would be useful. If someone more experienced than I am would agree, please let coordinate and prepare something. I'll be glad of helping preparing and diffusing it, especially in Italy. All the best. pc -- Paolo Cavallini cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it www.faunalia.com Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From bh at udev.org Fri Jun 10 20:02:46 2005 From: bh at udev.org (Henrion Benjamin) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:02:46 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] free gis data In-Reply-To: <200506101959.54497.cavallini@faunalia.it> References: <200506101959.54497.cavallini@faunalia.it> Message-ID: <20050610180246.GP32193@localhost> Paolo Cavallini [050610]: > Hi all. > Currently the situation of GIS data in Europe is rather grim, as most of you > know, and the proposed Inspire directive does not seem imporving it > drammatically. I talked to several public administrators, and I found that > mostly they agree in letting people have and use "their" data, but they are > concerned about possible commercial exploitations. Of course they have no > idea about GPL, Commons etc. What is the status of the directive? Maybe it would be a good idea to draft amendments for it. -- Benjamin Henrion http://bh.udev.org << Software patents are a Temptation >>> << Temptation leads to Stagnation >>> << Stagnation leads to the Dark Side. >>> From cavallini at faunalia.it Fri Jun 10 20:09:26 2005 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:09:26 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] free gis data In-Reply-To: <20050610180246.GP32193@localhost> References: <200506101959.54497.cavallini@faunalia.it> <20050610180246.GP32193@localhost> Message-ID: <200506102009.27491.cavallini@faunalia.it> The call for expression of interest is now closed, and one SDIC should focus on free software for free data (thanks to Markus Neteler). http://www.ec-gis.org/inspire/ A meeting will be held 29 June - 1 July 2005, Alghero, Sardinia. All the best. pc At 20:02, venerd? 10 giugno 2005, Henrion Benjamin has probably written: > Paolo Cavallini [050610]: > > Hi all. > > Currently the situation of GIS data in Europe is rather grim, as most of > > you know, and the proposed Inspire directive does not seem imporving it > > drammatically. I talked to several public administrators, and I found > > that mostly they agree in letting people have and use "their" data, but > > they are concerned about possible commercial exploitations. Of course > > they have no idea about GPL, Commons etc. > > What is the status of the directive? > > Maybe it would be a good idea to draft amendments for it. -- Paolo Cavallini cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it www.faunalia.com Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From jo at frot.org Fri Jun 10 20:22:13 2005 From: jo at frot.org (Jo Walsh) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:22:13 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] free gis data In-Reply-To: <20050610180246.GP32193@localhost> References: <200506101959.54497.cavallini@faunalia.it> <20050610180246.GP32193@localhost> Message-ID: <20050610182213.GD14744@vishnu.tridity.org> On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 08:02:46PM +0200, Henrion Benjamin wrote: > What is the status of the directive? It went through on first reading on June 6th. I think there was never any doubt. I suppose there will be a gravy train for 'viewing' applications as mandated, and open source GIS could make a big niche there. i got a nice response from my MEP: BREPOELS: Infrastructure for spatial information in the Community (INSPIRE) +(first reading, co-decision) The report was adopted by the plenary without further changes to the ENVI +committee result. The report improves the commission proposal e.g. in taking +into account different levels of government, and strenghtening consultation of +stakeholders in drafting implementing measures on specific data sets. Our +amendments extending the scope of the directive to cover areas under +anthropogenic stress and renewable energy resources and addressing concerns +over licencing were also part of the ENVI report. As regards the question of possibility of charging for accessing spacial data, +the Committee supported the Rapporteur's compromise which allows for public +sector to collect fees for commercial reuse of public sector data, while +maintaining that viewing should be free (am 26). From cavallini at faunalia.it Fri Jun 10 20:32:19 2005 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:32:19 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] free gis data In-Reply-To: <20050610182213.GD14744@vishnu.tridity.org> References: <200506101959.54497.cavallini@faunalia.it> <20050610180246.GP32193@localhost> <20050610182213.GD14744@vishnu.tridity.org> Message-ID: <200506102032.19933.cavallini@faunalia.it> I found a difficult spot in: collect fees for commercial reuse of public sector data in practical terms, it is often unclear what does it mean: - if I organize a course on freegis, may I use those data? Usually the reply is yes, but for me this is a commercial operation - after the course, may I distribute the data to students? This does not seem commercial, but is usually forbidden by their licences - if I analyse data for the public administration, should I pay? This is clearly commercial, but the reply is usually that I can have it free of charge. Somewhat paradoxical situations, due to unclear ideas about licences and freedom (and perhaps citizenship), in my view. This is why I believe a white paper would be useful to clarify the situation. It could then submitted to the various Inspire committees. pc At 20:22, venerd? 10 giugno 2005, Jo Walsh has probably written: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 08:02:46PM +0200, Henrion Benjamin wrote: > > What is the status of the directive? > > It went through on first reading on June 6th. I think there was never > any doubt. I suppose there will be a gravy train for 'viewing' > applications as mandated, and open source GIS could make a big niche > there. i got a nice response from my MEP: > > BREPOELS: Infrastructure for spatial information in the Community > (INSPIRE) > +(first reading, co-decision) > > The report was adopted by the plenary without further changes to the > ENVI > +committee result. The report improves the commission proposal e.g. in > taking > +into account different levels of government, and strenghtening > consultation of > +stakeholders in drafting implementing measures on specific data sets. > Our > +amendments extending the scope of the directive to cover areas under > +anthropogenic stress and renewable energy resources and addressing > concerns > +over licencing were also part of the ENVI report. > > As regards the question of possibility of charging for accessing > spacial data, > +the Committee supported the Rapporteur's compromise which allows for > public > +sector to collect fees for commercial reuse of public sector data, > while > +maintaining that viewing should be free (am 26). > > > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list -- Paolo Cavallini cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it www.faunalia.com Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From jo at frot.org Fri Jun 10 22:43:33 2005 From: jo at frot.org (Jo Walsh) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:43:33 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] free gis data In-Reply-To: <200506102032.19933.cavallini@faunalia.it> References: <200506101959.54497.cavallini@faunalia.it> <20050610180246.GP32193@localhost> <20050610182213.GD14744@vishnu.tridity.org> <200506102032.19933.cavallini@faunalia.it> Message-ID: <20050610204333.GE14744@vishnu.tridity.org> On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 08:32:19PM +0200, Paolo Cavallini wrote: > Somewhat paradoxical situations, due to unclear ideas about licences and > freedom (and perhaps citizenship), in my view. This is why I believe a white > paper would be useful to clarify the situation. > It could then submitted to the various Inspire committees. This sounds great. Would this paper need to go out under some organisational framework in order to be taken seriously? I'd like to try and assemble some Americanadian open geodata 'success stories' too. Here, we have a small 'coalition' of people working on free/open GIS projects, listed at http://okfn.org/geo/ ... have made notes towards something like a set of 'manifesto', ideally to get different interest groups to sign up to, while trying not to become divisive... http://okfn.org/wiki/WhyOpenGeodata i've heard laments about how "one-man-band" organisations, even collections of them, are percieved as irrelevant, neglible in Brussels; also that policy voice has to be transnational. Perhaps there is a role for a virtual 'euro open geodata' coalition to which different organisations can sign on as signatories / approvers of such a white paper... could it make sense to run this at intevation or through the FFII? -jo From ben at vterrain.org Sat Jun 11 01:14:04 2005 From: ben at vterrain.org (Ben Discoe) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:14:04 -1000 Subject: [Freegis-list] free gis data In-Reply-To: <20050610204333.GE14744@vishnu.tridity.org> Message-ID: <20050610231411.50F9036CE4@mail.intevation.de> Thanks for the Wiki link Jo, i have added it to our page that tracks all Data Openness issues at http://vterrain.org/Misc/Openness/ -Ben > ----- > From: Jo Walsh > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:44 AM > To: Paolo Cavallini > Cc: freegis-list at intevation.de > > Here, we have a small 'coalition' of people working on > free/open GIS projects, listed at http://okfn.org/geo/ ... > have made notes towards something like a set of 'manifesto', > ideally to get different interest groups to sign up to, while > trying not to become divisive... > http://okfn.org/wiki/WhyOpenGeodata From cavallini at faunalia.it Sat Jun 11 09:53:42 2005 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:53:42 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] free gis data In-Reply-To: <20050610231411.50F9036CE4@mail.intevation.de> References: <20050610231411.50F9036CE4@mail.intevation.de> Message-ID: <200506110953.43444.cavallini@faunalia.it> Great link, thanks. I think it would be useful to summarize these ideas on a page, and submit them to FFII and FSF for sponsorship. pc At 01:14, sabato 11 giugno 2005, Ben Discoe has probably written: > Thanks for the Wiki link Jo, i have added it to our page that tracks all > Data Openness issues at http://vterrain.org/Misc/Openness/ > > -Ben > > > ----- > > From: Jo Walsh > > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:44 AM > > To: Paolo Cavallini > > Cc: freegis-list at intevation.de > > > > Here, we have a small 'coalition' of people working on > > free/open GIS projects, listed at http://okfn.org/geo/ ... > > have made notes towards something like a set of 'manifesto', > > ideally to get different interest groups to sign up to, while > > trying not to become divisive... > > http://okfn.org/wiki/WhyOpenGeodata -- Paolo Cavallini cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it www.faunalia.com Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From holl at gdf-hannover.de Mon Jun 13 15:09:07 2005 From: holl at gdf-hannover.de (Stephan Holl) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:09:07 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] [ANNOUNCE]: GDF Hannover GRASS GIS Tutorial v.1.1 English now available. Message-ID: <20050613150907.1d5e34ff@localhost> Dear FOSS GIS users, [sorry for crossposting] GDF Hannover is proud to present the English translation of the well-known German GRASS GIS Tutorial version 1.1. The book covers an introduction to the Free Geographic Information System GRASS 6.0. It extends the available literature about GRASS 6 by aspects of installation and practical usage and offers up to date material for the use of the latest GRASS developments at the time of writing. The document focuses on the new vector functionalities, network analysis, database management systems (DBMS) and the new graphical user interface (GUI). A section about the interaction with Quantum GIS as graphical user interface is also included. It is released under GNU/FDL and is available from: http://www.gdf-hannover.de/literature Best regards GDF Hannover -- GDF Hannover - Solutions for spatial data analysis and remote sensing Hannover Office (TCH) - Vahrenwalder Stra?e 7 - D-30165 Hannover Internet: www.gdf-hannover.de - Email: holl at gdf-hannover.de Phone : ++49-(0)511-9357560 - Fax: ++49-(0)511-9357100 From florent_lasry at yahoo.fr Mon Jun 6 13:11:28 2005 From: florent_lasry at yahoo.fr (Florent Lasry) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:11:28 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] DEM pht extension Message-ID: <20050606111156.2533836CE4@mail.intevation.de> Dear all, I am currently seeking for information on DEM *.pht, transmitted in 20, 100 and 400 meters. I have tried different GIS and RS soft and extensions ( free Maptech ArcGIS), but none managed to open or convert this type of file. Does anyone know something about these DEM and how to open and convert them? Thanks a lot in advance, Florent Lasry -- CGIS/NUR Tel: +250 08466823 Fax: +250 530 210 http://www.cgisnur.org/ Subscribe to the CGIS-NUR newsletter: http://www.cgisnur.org/_webpages/newsletter.htm _____________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidéos ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From gould at lsi.uji.es Fri Jun 10 21:44:56 2005 From: gould at lsi.uji.es (michael gould) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:44:56 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] free gis data In-Reply-To: <20050610182213.GD14744@vishnu.tridity.org> Message-ID: <005501c56df4$e1ad83a0$6402a8c0@NOMADA1> Caution, the directive did not "go through" per se. The Parlianent said ok, but the Council has not accepted it yet. Three member states are dragging their feet it seems. You (Jo) can probably guess at least one. :-) ...which means that the process continues and it will not be until the EU presidency changes (next year) that any further progress is expected. Still cautiously optimistic, ----------- Michael Gould Department of Information Systems (LSI) Universitat Jaume I, 12071 Castell?n Spain E-mail: gould (at) lsi.uji.es http://www.mgould.com -----Mensaje original----- De: freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de [mailto:freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de] En nombre de Jo Walsh Enviado el: viernes, 10 de junio de 2005 20:22 Para: Henrion Benjamin CC: freegis-list at intevation.de Asunto: Re: [Freegis-list] free gis data On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 08:02:46PM +0200, Henrion Benjamin wrote: > What is the status of the directive? It went through on first reading on June 6th. I think there was never any doubt. I suppose there will be a gravy train for 'viewing' applications as mandated, and open source GIS could make a big niche there. i got a nice response from my MEP: BREPOELS: Infrastructure for spatial information in the Community (INSPIRE) +(first reading, co-decision) The report was adopted by the plenary without further changes to the ENVI +committee result. The report improves the commission proposal e.g. in taking +into account different levels of government, and strenghtening consultation of +stakeholders in drafting implementing measures on specific data sets. Our +amendments extending the scope of the directive to cover areas under +anthropogenic stress and renewable energy resources and addressing concerns +over licencing were also part of the ENVI report. As regards the question of possibility of charging for accessing spacial data, +the Committee supported the Rapporteur's compromise which allows for public +sector to collect fees for commercial reuse of public sector data, while +maintaining that viewing should be free (am 26). _______________________________________________ Freegis-list mailing list Freegis-list at intevation.de https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From gould at lsi.uji.es Sat Jun 11 00:03:08 2005 From: gould at lsi.uji.es (michael gould) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:03:08 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] free gis data In-Reply-To: <20050610204333.GE14744@vishnu.tridity.org> Message-ID: <000601c56e08$30053ad0$6402a8c0@NOMADA1> Yes, I think it's true that a loose coalition might not attract too much attention in Brussels; I would try to get FFII to adopt it or somehow sponsor it. Go for it! ----------- Michael Gould Department of Information Systems (LSI) Universitat Jaume I, 12071 Castell?n Spain E-mail: gould (at) lsi.uji.es http://www.mgould.com -----Mensaje original----- De: freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de [mailto:freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de] En nombre de Jo Walsh Enviado el: viernes, 10 de junio de 2005 22:44 Para: Paolo Cavallini CC: freegis-list at intevation.de Asunto: Re: [Freegis-list] free gis data On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 08:32:19PM +0200, Paolo Cavallini wrote: > Somewhat paradoxical situations, due to unclear ideas about licences and > freedom (and perhaps citizenship), in my view. This is why I believe a white > paper would be useful to clarify the situation. > It could then submitted to the various Inspire committees. This sounds great. Would this paper need to go out under some organisational framework in order to be taken seriously? I'd like to try and assemble some Americanadian open geodata 'success stories' too. Here, we have a small 'coalition' of people working on free/open GIS projects, listed at http://okfn.org/geo/ ... have made notes towards something like a set of 'manifesto', ideally to get different interest groups to sign up to, while trying not to become divisive... http://okfn.org/wiki/WhyOpenGeodata i've heard laments about how "one-man-band" organisations, even collections of them, are percieved as irrelevant, neglible in Brussels; also that policy voice has to be transnational. Perhaps there is a role for a virtual 'euro open geodata' coalition to which different organisations can sign on as signatories / approvers of such a white paper... could it make sense to run this at intevation or through the FFII? -jo _______________________________________________ Freegis-list mailing list Freegis-list at intevation.de https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From tkeitt at mail.utexas.edu Wed Jun 1 21:20:49 2005 From: tkeitt at mail.utexas.edu (Tim Keitt) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:20:49 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Position announcement Message-ID: <1117653649.12302.5.camel@fosteri.keittlab.net> Hi Folks, If you go to UT's web site and search the jobs database, you'll find a Linux related position in my lab (scientific programmer, Integrative Biology). The direct link below may also work. Drop me an email if you are interested. Cheers, Tim http://utdirect.utexas.edu/pnjobs/pnjobsvw.WBX?comp=0&job_nbr=050502019332 -- Tim Keitt Section of Integrative Biology http://www.keittlab.org/ From info at opensourcegis.nl Mon Jun 13 22:07:09 2005 From: info at opensourcegis.nl (OpenSourceGIS.nl) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:07:09 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] OpenSourceGIS.nl / voor & door Open Source GIS gebruikers in Nederland Message-ID: Sorry for this dutch message; it's a promo for a new Open Source GIS site in the Netherlands. --- Beste Open Source GIS gebruikers in Nederland, Enige tijd geleden is een start gemaakt met een site voor & door Open Source GIS gebruikers in Nederland. Een site niet ter vervanging van andere mailing lijsten of sites bij ontwikkelaars, maar juist een site om Nederlandse open source GIS gebruikers met elkaar in contact te brengen en ideeën en ervaringen met elkaar uit te wisselen. Als je ook een bijdrage wilt leveren aan de site: graag. Van nieuws-poster tot webdesigner (een mooi logo/webdesign kan zeker geen kwaad): alle hulp is meer dan van harte welkom. De site is te bereiken via http://www.OpenSourceGIS.nl/. From reed at interreality.org Tue Jun 14 00:43:04 2005 From: reed at interreality.org (Reed Hedges) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:43:04 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] free gis data In-Reply-To: <200506102032.19933.cavallini@faunalia.it> References: <200506101959.54497.cavallini@faunalia.it> <20050610180246.GP32193@localhost> <20050610182213.GD14744@vishnu.tridity.org> <200506102032.19933.cavallini@faunalia.it> Message-ID: <42AE0BF8.9080708@interreality.org> I agree that a concise explanation of alternative copyright licenses and why they are beneficial would be useful for educating those who are unaware. Explaining to public officials how Free licenses are on the one hand beneficial to the public good, and on the other hand, also protect the rights of the copyright holder against commercial exploitation (as one might fear who confuses copyleft with public domain or "no" copyright). This could also be useful in counteracting or hopefully pre-empting any misconceptions they may have or acquire in the future otherwise. Paolo Cavallini wrote: > I found a difficult spot in: > collect fees for commercial reuse of public sector data > in practical terms, it is often unclear what does it mean: > - if I organize a course on freegis, may I use those data? Usually the reply > is yes, but for me this is a commercial operation= ... snip ... > - if I analyse data for the public administration, should I pay? This is > clearly commercial, but the reply is usually that I can have it free of > charge. I don't know about your second situation but in these two, you are being paid for your professional service, you are not selling the data. This is my opinion at least, though the phrase "commercial use" is vague. Reed From Michel.Garand at frankfurt-oder.de Tue Jun 14 07:27:27 2005 From: Michel.Garand at frankfurt-oder.de (Michel.Garand@frankfurt-oder.de) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:27:27 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Open Source GIS Visions 2025 Message-ID: <4951B8C94306D9118ABF00105A096D7E01081F19@nt_server_3.frankfurt-oder.de> Greetings! Here is a conference announcement from another list which I think could be interest to some of you! Best regards Michel Garand Stadt Frankfurt (Oder) Abteilung Stadtentwicklung Amt f?r Strategie, Wirtschafts- und Stadtentwicklung Goepelstrasse 38, D-15234 Frankfurt (Oder), Germany Tel.: +49 (0)335 / 552-6016 Fax: +49 (0)335 / 552-6099 michel.garand at frankfurt-oder.de -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jan Ruzicka [SMTP:jan.ruzicka at vsb.cz] Gesendet am: Freitag, 10. Juni 2005 18:50 Betreff: GIS Visions 2025 - 19-20 September 2005 Dear GI and sci-fi fans, We are organising non-traditional conference concerned on geographic information science and technology. It will be hold from 19th September to 20th September 2005 in Ostrava, Czech Republic. The goal of our conference is bring together people that are bored of traditional conferences in that area, that show usually solved problems from different points of view and applied in different areas. Our conference would like to present only ideas and views how geographic science and technology could look in the year 2025. The scientific committee will accept only papers that present ideas that are not applicable (or very hardly applicable) in the year 2005. Part of the conference will be workshop on Open Source GIS, because we believe that open source GIS software could be future of the GIS. I belive that you will come to present your visions and ideas. For further information see: http://gis.vsb.cz/gisvisions/2025/ or the attachement Jan Ruzicka Institute of Geoinformatics > VSb-TU Ostrava From sliwinski at uni-muenster.de Tue Jun 14 10:54:22 2005 From: sliwinski at uni-muenster.de (Adam Sliwinski) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:54:22 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] =?iso-8859-1?q?52=B0North_releases_SOS_implementa?= =?iso-8859-1?q?tion?= Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20050614094449.00c1c9a0@pop.uni-muenster.de> Dear FreeGIS list members, the open source software initiative 52?North (http://www.52north.org) announces the release of the Sensor Observation Service (SOS). This service type pertains to the work done by the participants of the OGC Sensor Web Enablement initiative. SOS 1.0.0 implements the current draft OGC Sensor Observation Service specification. However, it extends the spec by an active pattern which enables the user to register treshold value conditions for specific observables and sends O&M encoded data in case that the condition is met. Visit http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=122215&package_id=154686 to download the zipped source code files (including an ant build script). Please direct all comments and inquiries to the mailing list of the 52?North's Sensor Web Enablement Working Group http://www.52north.org/mailman/listinfo/swe or instantly to Alexander Walkowski (walkowski at 52north.org) who is in charge of this implementation. Best regards, ------------------------------------------------------- Adam Sliwinski Institute for Geoinformatics University of Muenster Robert-Koch-Str. 26-28 48149 Muenster Germany e-mail: sliwinski at uni-muenster.de www: http://ifgi.uni-muenster.de/~adamsli Phone: +49-(0)-251-83 30103 Fax: +49-(0)-251-83 39763 Skype: adamsli "Technology changes. Economic laws do not." (Shapiro & Varian 1999) From cavallini at faunalia.it Tue Jun 14 13:04:53 2005 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:04:53 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] free ecw? Message-ID: <200506141304.54712.cavallini@faunalia.it> ECW SDK seems to have become free: http://www.ermapper.com/downloads/download_view.aspx?PRODUCT_VERSION_ID=275 I imagine now it is possible to distribute gdal with ecw support, or am I wrong? All the best. pc -- Paolo Cavallini cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it www.faunalia.com Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From werchowyna at epf.pl Tue Jun 14 22:26:53 2005 From: werchowyna at epf.pl (Maciek Sieczka) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:26:53 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] soviet satellite imagery Message-ID: <02ba01c5711f$7af09840$10d21d3e@eustahiush> Hi All! For some time now I've been looking for a source of soviet satellite imagery. I'm especially interested in archival photos from 50's till late 80's. Has anybody got any epxerience with obtaining these? I have asked at most places I could think of with no luck, and the only provider I found in Russia keeps ignoring my emails. Best Maciek From anselm at hook.org Wed Jun 15 07:10:28 2005 From: anselm at hook.org (Anselm Hook) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:10:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Freegis-list] civicmaps tile map engine Message-ID: This is a pre-release of an open source javascript wms tile mapping engine. The url is at: http://maps.civicactions.net I am integrating this into a drupal/civicspace module and will update the site further at that time. Please direct bug reports to me at anselm at hook.org - a From t.katelbach at systheo.com Wed Jun 15 10:04:29 2005 From: t.katelbach at systheo.com (oceatoon) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:04:29 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Paul's Google Map Hack ?? Message-ID: Hi everyone I am wondering does anyone know if the Google Map hack (http://www.ahding.com/cheapgas/) is a request made on the google map databse or is it a private geoDB that is rendered through google Maps ? Thanks for the thoughts Tibor From stef at zoomata.com Fri Jun 17 18:17:30 2005 From: stef at zoomata.com (Stefano Maffulli) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:17:30 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] free ecw? In-Reply-To: <200506141304.54712.cavallini@faunalia.it> References: <200506141304.54712.cavallini@faunalia.it> Message-ID: <1119025050.4754.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 13:04 +0200, Paolo Cavallini wrote: > ECW SDK seems to have become free: > http://www.ermapper.com/downloads/download_view.aspx?PRODUCT_VERSION_ID=275 > I imagine now it is possible to distribute gdal with ecw support, or am I > wrong? Please, double chech. They seem to have very confused ideas of what is the GNU GPL, it might be still non-free software. Can you please try to download the package and read the exact EULA? I could not find in the url provided thanks stef From sherman at mrcc.com Sun Jun 19 08:13:02 2005 From: sherman at mrcc.com (Gary Sherman) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:13:02 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] QGIS 0.7 Prerelease 1 available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <926D514B-23D7-4949-B334-4EA160E3D1B2@mrcc.com> QGIS 0.7 Prerelease 1 is available for download. Please see the Download section on either http://qgis.org or http:// community.qgis.org for details. From fwarmerdam at gmail.com Mon Jun 20 17:23:50 2005 From: fwarmerdam at gmail.com (Frank Warmerdam) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:23:50 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] free ecw? In-Reply-To: <1119025050.4754.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200506141304.54712.cavallini@faunalia.it> <1119025050.4754.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <931f8ea9050620082361100150@mail.gmail.com> On 6/17/05, Stefano Maffulli wrote: > Please, double chech. They seem to have very confused ideas of what is > the GNU GPL, it might be still non-free software. Can you please try to > download the package and read the exact EULA? I could not find in the > url provided Stefano, I don't believe that the ERM public use license qualifies under the free software definition due to a few limitations. Notably the one disallowing changes to the ECW format, and the apparent disallowing of distributing modified versions of the code except via patch sets. Nevertheless, this license does seem to remove the condition with regard to server software that was in earlier versions and for my purposes is fine. I think the glitches only arise with software distributions (such as Debian) where strict adherance to the free software definition would be required. I would add that packagings of GDAL that include components that do not adhere to the "all source available" constraints would be disallowed by this license. So I won't be able to distribute a GDAL that links in MrSID and ECW libraries under this license. I would need to do so under the commercial or free use license. Generally speaking I think that ERMapper has gone a long ways to make the ECW SDK accessable to free software developers within the constraint that they want to prevent balkanization of the ECW file format, and that they want to force other terms on proprietary software vendors not willing to release all their source under comparible terms. ObDisclosure: I'm partly in ERMappers pay, and so not necessarily objective. ObDislaimer: I do not speak for ERMapper. Best regards -- ---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam at pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent From starged at videotron.ca Tue Jun 21 01:33:04 2005 From: starged at videotron.ca (Mario Beauchamp) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:33:04 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] OpenEV tools updates Message-ID: <42B75230.3030904@videotron.ca> Hi folks, Here are the latest updates to my OpenEV tools. WMS Tool: - it is now possible to define a http proxy (pref http_proxy in the preferences file) - server exceptions are now shown - correct datatype assigned Fusion Tool: - works with Quickbird (and possibly Ikonos) imagery - removed ROI support for now - warped VRT replaced with gdal.ReprojectImage() - added block read/write support for more efficient processing Histo Enhance: - added preliminary support for Quickbird and Ikonos dynamic range 0-2047 (ie 11-bits) - added histos_directory preference. This directory and the current image directory are scanned for existing histogram files Also, an early version of a raster projection tool has been added but only so people can help me find the bug that causes reprojected images to be blank when reopened after OpenEV is restarted. This only happens when the "(Open in) Current View" option is selected. I'd appreciate any feedback on this... All the tools can be found at http://pages.infinit.net/starged/openev/index.htm Thank you. -- Mario B. From stef at zoomata.com Tue Jun 21 09:34:32 2005 From: stef at zoomata.com (Stefano Maffulli) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:34:32 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] free ecw? In-Reply-To: <931f8ea9050620082361100150@mail.gmail.com> References: <200506141304.54712.cavallini@faunalia.it> <1119025050.4754.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> <931f8ea9050620082361100150@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1119339272.7967.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 11:23 -0400, Frank Warmerdam wrote: > I don't believe that the ERM public use license qualifies under > the free software definition due to a few limitations. Notably > the one disallowing changes to the ECW format, and the apparent > disallowing of distributing modified versions of the code except > via patch sets. That's really too bad for them, because both issues you mention can be resolved pretty easily: not changing the format itself can be achieved with a trademark enforcement and the same trademark can avoid the distribution of modified ECW software (since I guess that ER is afraid that somebody distributes a modified sdk that doesn't work well and they risk losing their credibility). If this is the case and since they have already done most of the work to get close to free software and with just a little step they can be complete citizens of the free software community. The objections you report are the same ones of Mozilla Foundation and they were solved recently with the Mozilla Trademark Policy v1.0 http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html > ObDisclosure: I'm partly in ERMappers pay, and so not necessarily > objective. maybe you can let them read the Mozilla trademark policy then :) regards stef From lists at webmapit.com.br Tue Jun 21 19:41:42 2005 From: lists at webmapit.com.br (Eduardo Patto Kanegae) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:41:42 -0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] [off-topic]GPS files-format: is there any standard specification? Message-ID: <42B85156.6060901@webmapit.com.br> Hi folks, Despite the subject may sound a bit off-topic, I thought that some of you may have a good experience on GPS machines. I never operated a GPS before, so, I have some doubts about its data: - is there any standard and common file-format specification for the files generated by GPS's? Or each manufacturer has its own format? - is it TEXT or BINARY data? thanks. -- Eduardo Patto Kanegae http://www.webmapit.com.br From sxpert at esitcom.org Tue Jun 21 20:01:34 2005 From: sxpert at esitcom.org (Amaury Jacquot) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:01:34 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] [off-topic]GPS files-format: is there any standard specification? In-Reply-To: <42B85156.6060901@webmapit.com.br> References: <42B85156.6060901@webmapit.com.br> Message-ID: <42B855FE.7060902@esitcom.org> Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > Hi folks, hi there > - is there any standard and common file-format specification for the > files generated by GPS's? Or each manufacturer has its own format? each manufacturer has it's own format. the GPS devices usually store in some form of binary inside then you extract the data with some software running on your computer. > - is it TEXT or BINARY data? depends :D there is an interchange format though, which is XML, called GPX Use GPSbabel to translate between format PS: these answers are probably in an FAQ somewhere :D From strk at keybit.net Tue Jun 21 23:54:37 2005 From: strk at keybit.net (strk) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:54:37 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] [off-topic]GPS files-format: is there any standard specification? In-Reply-To: <42B855FE.7060902@esitcom.org> References: <42B85156.6060901@webmapit.com.br> <42B855FE.7060902@esitcom.org> Message-ID: <20050621215437.GL82130@keybit.net> On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 08:01:34PM +0200, Amaury Jacquot wrote: > Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > > Hi folks, > > hi there > > > - is there any standard and common file-format specification for the > > files generated by GPS's? Or each manufacturer has its own format? > > each manufacturer has it's own format. > the GPS devices usually store in some form of binary inside > then you extract the data with some software running on your computer. > > > - is it TEXT or BINARY data? > > depends :D > there is an interchange format though, which is XML, called GPX > Use GPSbabel to translate between format > > PS: > these answers are probably in an FAQ somewhere :D It would be nice to link them it in the documentation section of freegis.org (if anyone finds it). I've been told NMEA is also an open format, but I know nothing about it and would like to (just got a garmin device). --strk; From anselm at hook.org Wed Jun 22 00:08:17 2005 From: anselm at hook.org (Anselm Hook) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:08:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Freegis-list] [off-topic]GPS files-format: is there any standard specification? In-Reply-To: <20050621215437.GL82130@keybit.net> Message-ID: This article comments that garmin no longer supports NMEA. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5745 - a On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, strk wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 08:01:34PM +0200, Amaury Jacquot wrote: > > Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > hi there > > > > > - is there any standard and common file-format specification for the > > > files generated by GPS's? Or each manufacturer has its own format? > > > > each manufacturer has it's own format. > > the GPS devices usually store in some form of binary inside > > then you extract the data with some software running on your computer. > > > > > - is it TEXT or BINARY data? > > > > depends :D > > there is an interchange format though, which is XML, called GPX > > Use GPSbabel to translate between format > > > > PS: > > these answers are probably in an FAQ somewhere :D > > It would be nice to link them it in the documentation section > of freegis.org (if anyone finds it). > I've been told NMEA is also an open format, but I know nothing > about it and would like to (just got a garmin device). > > --strk; > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > From strk at keybit.net Wed Jun 22 00:17:42 2005 From: strk at keybit.net (strk) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:17:42 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] [off-topic]GPS files-format: is there any standard specification? In-Reply-To: References: <20050621215437.GL82130@keybit.net> Message-ID: <20050621221742.GP82130@keybit.net> On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 03:08:17PM -0700, Anselm Hook wrote: > > This article comments that garmin no longer supports NMEA. > > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5745 Ouch! Bill's marketers attempting winGPS ?? --strk; From vdheide at ngi.de Fri Jun 17 11:58:37 2005 From: vdheide at ngi.de (Andreas von der Heide) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:58:37 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] searching information about the gistooklit project Message-ID: Hello! a few days ago I have found the gistoolkit project in sourceforge implemented in java and licensed unter LGPL. The latest released version is from Juli 2003, but in the cvs tree there are many changes dated in 2004 (the lastest from December 04). Installing the cvs version points out that it shows many improvements and runs (relatively) stable. The gistoolkit editor is an application based on the library and I am very impressed about the implemented features, especially the digitizing abilities which can directly be executed on postgis and other spatial enabled databases. I have looked for background information about this project and the maintainers but found only a few. It seems to me that is is very isolated from the rest of the java gis world (why?). Therefore my question: Is anybody out there who can tell me a little bit more about gistoolkit? Greetings! Andreas von der Heide Wilhelm-Raabe-Str. 63b 26131 Oldenburg Tel: (0441) 3401984 Email: vdheide at ngi.de From cavallini at faunalia.it Mon Jun 20 18:39:50 2005 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:39:50 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] free ecw? In-Reply-To: <1119025050.4754.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200506141304.54712.cavallini@faunalia.it> <1119025050.4754.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200506201839.50730.cavallini@faunalia.it> Here it is. Comments very much welcome. pc At 18:17, venerd? 17 giugno 2005, Stefano Maffulli has probably written: > On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 13:04 +0200, Paolo Cavallini wrote: > > ECW SDK seems to have become free: > > http://www.ermapper.com/downloads/download_view.aspx?PRODUCT_VERSION_ID=2 > >75 I imagine now it is possible to distribute gdal with ecw support, or am > > I wrong? > > Please, double chech. They seem to have very confused ideas of what is > the GNU GPL, it might be still non-free software. Can you please try to > download the package and read the exact EULA? I could not find in the > url provided > > thanks > stef -- Paolo Cavallini cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it www.faunalia.com Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ECW_SDK_License_V44.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 42115 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050620/3832918f/ECW_SDK_License_V44.pdf From jidanni at jidanni.org Mon Jun 20 13:08:32 2005 From: jidanni at jidanni.org (Dan Jacobson) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:08:32 +0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] first no more air maps, next no more road maps? Message-ID: <878y1570b3.fsf@jidanni.org> The U.S. National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) has proposed to withdraw all aeronautical data and products from public distribution. http://www.urisa.org/Board_Initiatives/NGA.htm From tim at linfiniti.com Tue Jun 21 21:21:12 2005 From: tim at linfiniti.com (Tim Sutton) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:21:12 +0100 Subject: Fwd: [Freegis-list] Position announcement In-Reply-To: <200506211657.44231.jens.oberender@novell.com> References: <200506211657.44231.jens.oberender@novell.com> Message-ID: <200506212021.19126.tim@linfiniti.com> Hi Oeer! Thanks for that! Tim On Tuesday 21 June 2005 15:57, Jens Oberender wrote: > FYI > > ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- > > Subject: [Freegis-list] Position announcement > Date: Mittwoch, 1. Juni 2005 21:20 > From: Tim Keitt > To: The ALG General Discussion List , CTLUG > , gentoo-science at lists.gentoo.org, > r-sig-geo at stat.math.ethz.ch, starserv at ucdavis.edu, > freegis-list at intevation.de Cc: Timothy Keitt > > Hi Folks, > > If you go to UT's web site and search the jobs database, you'll find a > Linux related position in my lab (scientific programmer, Integrative > Biology). The direct link below may also work. Drop me an email if you > are interested. > > Cheers, > Tim > > http://utdirect.utexas.edu/pnjobs/pnjobsvw.WBX?comp=0&job_nbr=050502019332 > > -- > Tim Keitt > Section of Integrative Biology > http://www.keittlab.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > ------------------------------------------------------- -- -- "Throw a resourceful man into a river and he will come up holding a fish" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Initium sapientiae timor Domini -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050622/a964ec8a/attachment.html From cresques at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 18:14:37 2005 From: cresques at gmail.com (Cresques) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:14:37 +0200 Subject: AW: [Freegis-list] searching information about the gistooklit project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B98E6D.7000903@gmail.com> Andreas von der Heide wrote: >Hello, > >thanks for your answer. We will see what qgis 0.7 can do: "Many enhancements >to the digitizing tools have been made, including the ability to capture >data straight into PostgreSQL/PostGIS, and improvements to the definition of >attribute tables for newly created layers". > >I found no hints in this description, that qgis 0.7 is able not only to >create new features (points, lines, polygons) on a spatial database layer, >but also to delete and modify them. With the gistoolkit editor you can do >this easily per drag & drop. > > We (the gvSIG project) will have this capabilities in a few months. I don't know it it'll be too late to you. by now gvSIG ihas his page only in spanish (but the software it's translated to 5 languages). You may take a look to the current state of the development. greetings Luis Sevilla >Greetings > >Andreas > > > >-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Cresques [mailto:cresques at gmail.com] >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Juni 2005 15:47 >An: Andreas von der Heide >Betreff: Re: [Freegis-list] searching information about the gistooklit >project > > >Andreas von der Heide wrote: > > > >>Hello! >> >>a few days ago I have found the gistoolkit project in sourceforge >>implemented in java and licensed unter LGPL. The latest released version is >> >> >>from Juli 2003, but in the cvs tree there are many changes dated in 2004 > > >>(the lastest from December 04). Installing the cvs version points out that >>it shows many improvements and runs (relatively) stable. >> >>The gistoolkit editor is an application based on the library and I am very >>impressed about the implemented features, especially the digitizing >>abilities which can directly be executed on postgis and other spatial >>enabled databases. >> >> >> >> >I don't know about your question, but about this capability of >'digitizing to a postgis layer' it seems qGis 0.7 has somethin about it. >Maybe it helps ... > > > >>I have looked for background information about this project and the >>maintainers but found only a few. It seems to me that is is very isolated >> >> >>from the rest of the java gis world (why?). Therefore my question: Is > > >>anybody out there who can tell me a little bit more about gistoolkit? >> >>Greetings! >> >>Andreas von der Heide >> >>Wilhelm-Raabe-Str. 63b >>26131 Oldenburg >>Tel: (0441) 3401984 >>Email: vdheide at ngi.de >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Freegis-list mailing list >>Freegis-list at intevation.de >>https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list >> >> >> >> >> > > > > From sxpert at esitcom.org Wed Jun 22 18:26:21 2005 From: sxpert at esitcom.org (Amaury Jacquot) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:26:21 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] [off-topic]GPS files-format: is there any standard specification? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B9912D.4080305@esitcom.org> Anselm Hook wrote: > This article comments that garmin no longer supports NMEA. > > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5745 > > - a > > On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, strk wrote: not a problem. the protocol in question is documented & supported by gpsd From slc at publicus.net Wed Jun 22 18:26:38 2005 From: slc at publicus.net (Steven Clift) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:26:38 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Global "local" placenames database Message-ID: Posted to: freegis-list at intevation.de Is there a good source? E-Democracy.Org is considering a "Global Campaign for Local Democracy" petition of sorts where people can state: 1. Their Name 2. Their e-mail 3. Where they live 4. Check a box that says "Yes, I want to discuss local issues with neighbors in my community." 5. Tell a friend This will enable us expand our support for active citizens interested in starting local "Issues Forums" - see http://e-democracy.org/uk for our guidebook and more. We'd probably tie the placename database into our use of the new open source GroupServer tool http://e-democracy.org/groupserver and when X number of people in the same community sign up, our system will provide them a Meetup.com-like chance to meet in person to start work on creating an local issues forum. Our sustainable model requires a volunteer forum manager and 100 people before a forum is open. With a development system in place, we will be able to scale by better targeting our support to communities with interest that we previously knew little about. Any suggestions or ideas? Steven Clift Board Chair, E-Democracy.Org Steven Clift - http://publicus.net - Reply to: clift at publicus.net Join DoWire: http://dowire.org E-Democracy: http://e-democracy.org From adrian.norman at adminet.co.uk Thu Jun 23 16:54:23 2005 From: adrian.norman at adminet.co.uk (Adrian Norman) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:54:23 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] RE: [Liftoff] Global "local" placenames database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c57803$7461f920$0500a8c0@ARDNTHINKPAD> Steven I fear this will not work in the UK, much though I wish it might be feasible. There is no logical mapping of the following terms onto each other: "Where they live" "neighbours" "my community" "local issues" The concept of "number of people in the same community" cannot be deduced from the addresses of people, not least because many of us live in one place, work in another and play in a third. In my rural village where I pay property taxes, the most critical local issue is regeneration following the demise of the hunting industry. The hunting community spreads across county and national park boundaries which are not coterminous with political boundaries. The outcome of EU and G8 discussions on support for agriculture is a global matter with acute consequences for rural livelihoods. Affordable housing is a national issue affecting local folk through centrally mandated zoning regulations. Rural transport ties in with access to education and health services which are national and regional, affecting a community focussed on the nearest towns. Bus and train users are a community spread over 300 square miles whose service providers operate nationally and regionally, not locally. Broadband telecommunications and mobile phone coverage are a local issue only for those who do not have service from national suppliers. Roads are a county issue; policing covers two counties; post offices, village shops, banks and pubs are critical local matters where closure decisions may be national. And so it goes on. Most of us belong to many communities which are not the same as neighbourhoods. Each such community has issues, some of which can be addressed by active citizens. But the dominance of national politics and commerce over local affairs in this country means that national action is usually necessary. No amount of local action would save Newham from the 2012 Olympics or ensure their success; nor could local action have saved hunting on Exmoor. The Americans established the primacy of local democracy in a constitution which reflected 18th century communities; few except deep-sea sailors and trappers travelled far to work or play. That constitution has protected local democracy for two centuries, making active participation worthwhile and providing fertile soil for the growth of e-democracy. For the British, the issue tends to be more important than the place. Adrian Norman -----Original Message----- From: Steven Clift [mailto:slc at publicus.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 5:27 PM To: freegis-list at intevation.de Cc: team at e-democracy.org; dan at groupsense.net; richard at iopen.net; liftoff at forums.e-democracy.org Subject: [Liftoff] Global "local" placenames database Posted to: freegis-list at intevation.de Is there a good source? E-Democracy.Org is considering a "Global Campaign for Local Democracy" petition of sorts where people can state: 1. Their Name 2. Their e-mail 3. Where they live 4. Check a box that says "Yes, I want to discuss local issues with neighbors in my community." 5. Tell a friend This will enable us expand our support for active citizens interested in starting local "Issues Forums" - see http://e-democracy.org/uk for our guidebook and more. We'd probably tie the placename database into our use of the new open source GroupServer tool http://e-democracy.org/groupserver and when X number of people in the same community sign up, our system will provide them a Meetup.com-like chance to meet in person to start work on creating an local issues forum. Our sustainable model requires a volunteer forum manager and 100 people before a forum is open. With a development system in place, we will be able to scale by better targeting our support to communities with interest that we previously knew little about. Any suggestions or ideas? Steven Clift Board Chair, E-Democracy.Org Steven Clift - http://publicus.net - Reply to: clift at publicus.net Join DoWire: http://dowire.org E-Democracy: http://e-democracy.org Steven Clift - - - - - - - - - - - To leave Liftoff, email liftoff at forums.e-democracy.org with "unsubscribe" as the subject This topic's messages may be viewed at: http://forums.e-democracy.org/topic/52974 For information about Steven , visit http://forums.e-democracy.org/factory/contacts/stevenclift For digest or to update bio options (must log-in): http://forums.e-democracy.org/factory/groups/liftoff/ Hosted by http://e-democracy.org - - - - - - - - - - - From vdheide at ngi.de Wed Jun 22 18:26:06 2005 From: vdheide at ngi.de (Andreas von der Heide) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:26:06 +0200 Subject: AW: [Freegis-list] searching information about the gistooklit project In-Reply-To: <42B96BED.9030805@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, thanks for your answer. We will see what qgis 0.7 can do: "Many enhancements to the digitizing tools have been made, including the ability to capture data straight into PostgreSQL/PostGIS, and improvements to the definition of attribute tables for newly created layers". I found no hints in this description, that qgis 0.7 is able not only to create new features (points, lines, polygons) on a spatial database layer, but also to delete and modify them. With the gistoolkit editor you can do this easily per drag & drop. Greetings Andreas -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Cresques [mailto:cresques at gmail.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Juni 2005 15:47 An: Andreas von der Heide Betreff: Re: [Freegis-list] searching information about the gistooklit project Andreas von der Heide wrote: >Hello! > >a few days ago I have found the gistoolkit project in sourceforge >implemented in java and licensed unter LGPL. The latest released version is >from Juli 2003, but in the cvs tree there are many changes dated in 2004 >(the lastest from December 04). Installing the cvs version points out that >it shows many improvements and runs (relatively) stable. > >The gistoolkit editor is an application based on the library and I am very >impressed about the implemented features, especially the digitizing >abilities which can directly be executed on postgis and other spatial >enabled databases. > > I don't know about your question, but about this capability of 'digitizing to a postgis layer' it seems qGis 0.7 has somethin about it. Maybe it helps ... >I have looked for background information about this project and the >maintainers but found only a few. It seems to me that is is very isolated >from the rest of the java gis world (why?). Therefore my question: Is >anybody out there who can tell me a little bit more about gistoolkit? > >Greetings! > >Andreas von der Heide > >Wilhelm-Raabe-Str. 63b >26131 Oldenburg >Tel: (0441) 3401984 >Email: vdheide at ngi.de > > >_______________________________________________ >Freegis-list mailing list >Freegis-list at intevation.de >https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > > From jidanni at jidanni.org Thu Jun 23 04:37:55 2005 From: jidanni at jidanni.org (Dan Jacobson) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:37:55 +0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] Blocking Public Geospatial Data: Not Only a Homeland Security Risk Message-ID: <87oe9xx0fw.fsf@jidanni.org> http://www.urisa.org/Journal/Vol16No2/tombs.pdf From lists at webmapit.com.br Fri Jun 24 13:50:23 2005 From: lists at webmapit.com.br (Eduardo Patto Kanegae) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:50:23 -0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] JUMP & uDIG movies or presentations Message-ID: <42BBF37F.6020804@webmapit.com.br> Hi folks, ( dear MapServer & FreeGIS lists, sorry for the cross-posting) I saw a very nice flash movie about QGIS and found it just great for the "newcomers"... It's hard to tell managers "YES, See? Free GIS does the music!" Currently, I'm looking for similar movies or presentations about JUMP and uDIG... Do you suggest any link? best -- Eduardo Patto Kanegae http://www.webmapit.com.br From i.taute at gmx.de Mon Jun 27 15:53:28 2005 From: i.taute at gmx.de (Ina Taute) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:53:28 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS software Message-ID: <21664.1119880408@www40.gmx.net> Hi, can anyone tell me if the FreeGis CD runs on Windos? Is there a free GIS software, I can use to create a map showing real estate objects within the areacodes (Postleitzahlenbereich (PLZ)) of Germany. Ina -- Geschenkt: 3 Monate GMX ProMail gratis + 3 Ausgaben stern gratis ++ Jetzt anmelden & testen ++ http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail ++ From jan at intevation.de Mon Jun 27 16:27:13 2005 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:27:13 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS software In-Reply-To: <21664.1119880408@www40.gmx.net> References: <21664.1119880408@www40.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20050627142713.GD22006@intevation.de> On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 03:53:28PM +0200, Ina Taute wrote: > can anyone tell me if the FreeGis CD runs on Windos? Is there a free GIS > software, I can use to create a map showing real estate objects within the > areacodes (Postleitzahlenbereich (PLZ)) of Germany. the FreeGIS CD only focused on GNU/Linux. However, there is an impressive number of GIS tools running (also) on Windows. This page shows them all: http://freegis.org/database/?cat=16 You seem to look for something like QGIS, Jump, Thuban, uDIG. Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ Kolab Konsortium http://kolab-konsortium.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From mysociety at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 15:56:42 2005 From: mysociety at gmail.com (Tom Steinberg) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:56:42 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: [Liftoff] Global "local" placenames database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <985ee26d050624065637a076ea@mail.gmail.com> Might be worth checking out my developer Chris' comments, written as he wrestles with a similar problem right now: http://www.mysociety.org/?p=67 I think that the plan is solid, though. If I didn't, I wouldn't be doing www.mysociety.org/ycml :) Tom On 6/22/05, Steven Clift wrote: > Posted to: freegis-list at intevation.de > > Is there a good source? > > E-Democracy.Org is considering a "Global Campaign for Local Democracy" > petition of sorts where people can state: > > 1. Their Name > 2. Their e-mail > 3. Where they live > 4. Check a box that says "Yes, I want to discuss local issues with > neighbors in my community." > 5. Tell a friend > > This will enable us expand our support for active citizens interested in > starting local "Issues Forums" - see http://e-democracy.org/uk for our > guidebook and more. > > We'd probably tie the placename database into our use of the new open > source GroupServer tool http://e-democracy.org/groupserver and when X > number of people in the same community sign up, our system will provide > them a Meetup.com-like chance to meet in person to start work on > creating an local issues forum. Our sustainable model requires a > volunteer forum manager and 100 people before a forum is open. With a > development system in place, we will be able to scale by better > targeting our support to communities with interest that we previously > knew little about. > > Any suggestions or ideas? > > Steven Clift > Board Chair, E-Democracy.Org > > > > Steven Clift - http://publicus.net - Reply to: clift at publicus.net > Join DoWire: http://dowire.org > E-Democracy: http://e-democracy.org > > > Steven Clift > > - - - - - - - - - - - > To leave Liftoff, > email liftoff at forums.e-democracy.org with "unsubscribe" as the subject > > This topic's messages may be viewed at: > http://forums.e-democracy.org/topic/52974 > > For information about Steven , visit > http://forums.e-democracy.org/factory/contacts/stevenclift > > For digest or to update bio options (must log-in): > http://forums.e-democracy.org/factory/groups/liftoff/ > > Hosted by http://e-democracy.org > - - - - - - - - - - - > -- Director, mySociety 07811 082158 www.pledgebank.com From jonathan.aquino at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 09:36:20 2005 From: jonathan.aquino at gmail.com (Jonathan Aquino) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:36:20 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: [jump-users] JUMP & uDIG movies or presentations In-Reply-To: <42BBF37F.6020804@webmapit.com.br> References: <42BBF37F.6020804@webmapit.com.br> Message-ID: <5369d92b05062500362b67db8d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Eduardo - Sounds like you're impressed with the QGIS Flash demo. I don't know of anyone who has made a JUMP video/screencast (Would someone be willing to make one?). There are screenshots, but you probably already know about those: http://www.jump-project.org/project.php?PID=JUMP&SID=OVER -- Jon Aquino (Victoria BC Canada) http://jonaquino.blogspot.com On 6/24/05, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > Hi folks, ( dear MapServer & FreeGIS lists, sorry for the cross-posting) > > I saw a very nice flash movie about QGIS and found it just great for the > "newcomers"... > > It's hard to tell managers "YES, See? Free GIS does the music!" > > Currently, I'm looking for similar movies or presentations about JUMP > and uDIG... > > Do you suggest any link? > > best > > -- > Eduardo Patto Kanegae > http://www.webmapit.com.br > > _______________________________________________ > jump-users mailing list > jump-users at lists.jump-project.org > http://lists.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/jump-users > From jan at intevation.de Wed Jun 29 09:25:15 2005 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:25:15 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Impressions from OSG '05 Message-ID: <20050629072515.GA26032@intevation.de> Hi FreeGIS community, finally I returned to my office after staying in Minnesota OSG '05 and right after being at Linuxtag 2005 in Karlsruhe, Germany. I enjoyed OSG '05 very much having met some people in real life for the first time. Unfortunatly I was not able to talk to all the guys I liked to talk with nor to attend all the interesting presentations, but here are at least some personal impressions: Day 0: At Stubs&Herbs some of us had a good time meeting the first time and having some discussion over a beer. For the first time I heard of the company Orkney which is located in Japan and boxes GRASS and MapServer in japanese. This all look really professional (despite the fact that I do not speak japanese ;-) and Toru Mori gave me some interesting insights into Free GIS Software market in Japan. Day 1: The PostGIS workshop held by Paul Ramsey was just great. Paul was always right to the point and I recommend to attend this workshop whenever you have a chance in the future. I hope Paul will prepare an extended version of this workshop which IMHO would be very beneficial since PostGIS really rocks. In the afternoon I attended the Chameleon workshop. Chameleon is a framework for building user interfaces for web mapping applications. This workshop was more directed towards developers and what I learned is that Chameleon is not yet easy to use but very powerful once you have managed to implement your first Chameleon widget (which we did during this workshop :-). The workshop was given by Paul Spencer. What I learned from both workshops is that I am not used to be productive on Windows systems ;-) (Where is tab completion and why is copy&paste so complicated?) At night we had a typical-US BBQ with lots of Beer again at Fort Snelling where we have been taught the gunners job. Paul (Chameleon) did this job well, but I still don't know which target he was aiming at :-) Day 2: The plenary session consisted of a number of lightning talks and the featured talk of Markus Neteler about GRASS. Of the lightning talks the visually most impressive one was Norman Vine showing his osgPlanet. This is hot stuff and I hope so much it will run on GNU/Linux eventually. Sean Gillies explains his latest work and ideas on Python-impemented GIS stuff. I think he is right in that it is more important right now to bring GIS to the Zope community rathern than vice versa. Schyler Erle dropped his topic on his new book "Mapping Hacks" in favor of a very enthusiastic call for action on a sort of distributed WMS caching with peer-to-peer elements to lower the load on the original WMS servers which partly got switched off due to too high load. (If I got it right). Markus Netelers talk about GRASS seemed to impress most of the crowd. GRASS 6 has full vector support and the raster part is better than ever. I guess the downloads increased after that talk a lot ;-) However, GRASS 6 has been done by only a little, very engaged, core group. Imagine how GRASS would look like if some more developers could be attracted (yes, I mean _you_ :-). The rest of the day I attended the business track which IMHO did not came to the depth I hoped. Notable was that Ionic representative explained that "using Free Software needs additional staff resources". He meant the additional work to discuss things with the other external developers and submit contributions. I do not agree with this statement as I think it is the other way around: how big would be the staff if a solution can not be based on a Free Software product but rather must be completely implemented anew? The IMHO best presentation of this track was given by Dave McIlhagga about DM Solutions. He made clear that DM Solutions follows (increasingly strictly) a Free Software business model and proves to be very successfull with it. Visiting the booth of Camp2Camp I learned that they are having nice success on the french-speaking market in france and switzerland. Last time I met Daniel Faivre (at Libre Software Meeting in Metz 2 years ago) they were only about 5 people, now they are upto 15. Also, I talked to Allan Doyle about EOGEO. This is something that deserves support. I regretted to not have attended the EOGEO workshop at Day 1. Day 3: A 'must' for me was the presentation of Jo Walsh about openstreetmap.org. I think the way Jo and her team approaches the topic of gathering free vector roadmaps is most promising one I have seen in the past. Also it was an exceptional style of the presentation compared to the rest (it appeared to be inspired by Tufte's Visual Revelations :-). The invited talk for closing session was given by Dirk-Willem van Gulik of Apache Software Foundation. He explained who ASF works and how they handle the software development focusing on quality assurance processes. In my opinion, and as Dirk also underlined, it is not reasonable to copy the whole ASF concept and apply it to UMN MapServer. But his talk already inspired to set up some improved processes for code quality as you can read recently on the MapServer developer mailing list. Sol Katz Award: When starting FreeGIS I used Sol's archive and it helped a lot. Unfortunately I never was in contact with him. I was a great pleasure to see Frank Warmerdam receive this award for the work on many base GIS libraries we find in use in virtually any major Free GIS tool. It followed podium discussions of which I choose the one on 'Making Free Software Our Business'. Again, here they did not get to the point and I disagreed with a number of statements. As a side note, a representative of AutoDesk said that they will start supporting Free Software and its community. Whoever was in doubt of that was proven wrong later at Sally's where AutoDesk took over the beer bill for a table of Free Software developers :-) More seriously, I think AutoDesk (as other proprietary GIS companies) will slowly approach the phenonemon (in their sense) "Free Software". Maybe we see next year a first small (unimportant) library of AutoDesk release as Free Software as an experiment. I only hope that they do choose a standard license and to not tell their lawyers to yet write another one. Their experiment will likely be a failure if they do so. Thanks again to Steve Lime and the whole organizing team for this event! Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ Kolab Konsortium http://kolab-konsortium.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 22:12:02 2005 From: sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com (Sunburned Surveyor) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:12:02 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS Certification Using Free Software Message-ID: <71097ae2050629131236d588d9@mail.gmail.com> Free GIS Software Users/Developers, I have noticed that most academic or certificate programs in the United States focus on commercial GIS software, and are very expensive. I was curious if there are others interested in establishing an "apprenticeship" program that would result in a certificate for participants regardless of their financial status. This certificate would be equivalent to a 2-year college degree. The apprenticeship program would involve on-line education, testing, and internships with volunteer projects. Each student would be assigned a "mentor" that would guide them through the program. The apprenticeship program would focus, not on commercial software, but open technology and open standards. It would also focus, not on the professional setting of one nation or region, but strive to establish global acedmic standards for GIS. If you are interested in such a program, please contact me at: sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com Respectfully, The Sunburned Surveyor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050629/789fec20/attachment.html