From js.berry at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 18:54:15 2005 From: js.berry at gmail.com (Joseph Berry) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:54:15 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] free 3D viewer Message-ID: <682f26e20501030954157e84f6@mail.gmail.com> hi i'm trying to find a free software instead of ESRI's 3D analyst. i use VTP but trying to find a simpler 3D viewer to view shp in 3D should i try working with GRASS or do you have any other suggestions. thanks sephi From editor at gisuser.com Mon Jan 3 19:03:22 2005 From: editor at gisuser.com (GISuser.com - Glenn) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:03:22 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] free 3D viewer In-Reply-To: <682f26e20501030954157e84f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000a01c4f1be$8400c620$0302a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> Hello, Can I suggest you visit the extensive collection of suggested free GIS map viewers we have compiled at www.GISuser.com - see free tools/ Free gis and viewers category - http://www.gisuser.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=105&func=s electcat&cat=3 . There's about 50 products listed. Most useful to you are likely the Freeview from PCI, and dlgv32 pro (an excellent product) Best of luck and happy new year \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Glenn Letham Managing Editor www.GISUser.com editor at gisuser.com Spatial Media LLC ph/fx: (250) 751-8737 Register for the Free GISuser weekly Newsletter Online or simple reply "subscribe" GISuser.com "Taking You Beyond The Map" We also suggest you visit www.MAPuser.com & www.theamericansurveyor.com \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > -----Original Message----- > From: freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de > [mailto:freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de] On Behalf Of Joseph Berry > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:54 AM > To: Freegis-list at intevation.de > Subject: [Freegis-list] free 3D viewer > > > hi > i'm trying to find a free software instead of ESRI's 3D > analyst. i use VTP but trying to find a simpler 3D viewer to > view shp in 3D > > should i try working with GRASS or do you have any other suggestions. > > thanks > > sephi > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis> -list > From jburnett at e-masi.com Mon Jan 3 19:55:19 2005 From: jburnett at e-masi.com (Jim Burnett) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:55:19 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] 3D topo? Message-ID: <41D99517.7000908@e-masi.com> Anyone know of any software that I can mark points on a flat tiff file, then view the file in 3D ? From ben at vterrain.org Mon Jan 3 21:33:29 2005 From: ben at vterrain.org (Ben Discoe) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:33:29 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] free 3D viewer In-Reply-To: <682f26e20501030954157e84f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <027701c4f1d3$7cbd7100$f400fe0a@TOPP2> Sephi, If you're looking for simple, GRASS isn't what you're looking for. It's easily 10x more complicated than the VTP. :) Perhaps i could assist you to produce a stripped-down VTP-based viewer which has only the functionality you need? That would depend greatly on your exact needs. -Ben > -----Original Message----- > From: freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de > [mailto:freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de] On Behalf Of Joseph Berry > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 12:54 PM > To: Freegis-list at intevation.de > Subject: [Freegis-list] free 3D viewer > > hi > i'm trying to find a free software instead of ESRI's 3D > analyst. i use VTP but trying to find a simpler 3D viewer to > view shp in 3D > > should i try working with GRASS or do you have any other suggestions. > > thanks > > sephi From viveka.weiley at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 00:02:16 2005 From: viveka.weiley at gmail.com (Viveka Weiley) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:02:16 +1100 Subject: [Freegis-list] free 3D viewer In-Reply-To: <682f26e20501030954157e84f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <682f26e20501030954157e84f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3517424c05010315021d0b1c55@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:54:15 +0200, Joseph Berry wrote: > hi > i'm trying to find a free software instead of ESRI's 3D analyst. > i use VTP but trying to find a simpler 3D viewer to view shp in 3D > > should i try working with GRASS or do you have any other suggestions. > > thanks > > sephi Hi Sephi, if you just want to view shape files in 3D, you can use VRML/X3D. There's a free converter here: http://www.my3d.com/ShapeViz.php VRML has a lot of geospatial goodness these days, with the GeoVRML extensions. Now that VRML has been replaced by X3D, this is called "X3D Geospatial Profile" or something. Then you can view your file in any VRML viewer: http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Internet/Clients/VRML/Browser_Plugins/ If you want to do some cute tricks with your data, like integrating it with a geospatial database and interactively placing objects from within the 3D view, or writing and searching with metadata, then you can try our 3map tools - http://www.ping.com.au - all Free & Open Source Software, based on VRML/X3D, mySQL and Java. Regards, V. -- Viveka Weiley, Karmanaut.http://www.karmanaut.com For a Free Geospace: http://www.planet-earth.org | http://www.ping.com.au VR on the Mac: http://www.MacWeb3D.org From js.berry at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 06:25:10 2005 From: js.berry at gmail.com (Joseph Berry) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:25:10 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] free 3D viewer In-Reply-To: <3517424c05010315021d0b1c55@mail.gmail.com> References: <682f26e20501030954157e84f6@mail.gmail.com> <3517424c05010315021d0b1c55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <682f26e2050103212536ff8f84@mail.gmail.com> thank you all for your suggestions - now the fun begins... S On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:02:16 +1100, Viveka Weiley wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:54:15 +0200, Joseph Berry wrote: > > hi > > i'm trying to find a free software instead of ESRI's 3D analyst. > > i use VTP but trying to find a simpler 3D viewer to view shp in 3D > > > > should i try working with GRASS or do you have any other suggestions. > > > > thanks > > > > sephi > > Hi Sephi, > > if you just want to view shape files in 3D, you can use VRML/X3D. > There's a free converter here: http://www.my3d.com/ShapeViz.php > VRML has a lot of geospatial goodness these days, with the GeoVRML > extensions. Now that VRML has been replaced by X3D, this is called > "X3D Geospatial Profile" or something. > Then you can view your file in any VRML viewer: > http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Internet/Clients/VRML/Browser_Plugins/ > > If you want to do some cute tricks with your data, like integrating it > with a geospatial database and interactively placing objects from > within the 3D view, or writing and searching with metadata, then you > can try our 3map tools - http://www.ping.com.au - all Free & Open > Source Software, based on VRML/X3D, mySQL and Java. > > Regards, > > V. > -- > Viveka Weiley, Karmanaut.http://www.karmanaut.com > For a Free Geospace: http://www.planet-earth.org | http://www.ping.com.au > VR on the Mac: http://www.MacWeb3D.org > From cavallini at faunalia.it Tue Jan 4 08:06:21 2005 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:06:21 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] 3D topo? In-Reply-To: <41D99517.7000908@e-masi.com> References: <41D99517.7000908@e-masi.com> Message-ID: <200501040806.30746.cavallini@faunalia.it> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://grass.itc.it ? At 19:55, luned? 03 gennaio 2005, Jim Burnett has probably written: > Anyone know of any software that I can mark points on a flat tiff file, > then view the file in 3D ? > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list - -- Paolo Cavallini cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it www.faunalia.com Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 http://pkg-grass.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2kBz/NedwLUzIr4RAuJ1AJ4m5DQHxKTPOnT3vO3FjD3iHlrH5ACeJ7JM LmHCH7arZV2UMyqyF50Lme0= =MaUA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bernhard at intevation.de Tue Jan 4 16:50:02 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:50:02 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] free 3D viewer In-Reply-To: <3517424c05010315021d0b1c55@mail.gmail.com> References: <682f26e20501030954157e84f6@mail.gmail.com> <3517424c05010315021d0b1c55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050104155002.GC19384@intevation.de> On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:02:16AM +1100, Viveka Weiley wrote: > if you just want to view shape files in 3D, you can use VRML/X3D. > There's a free converter here: http://www.my3d.com/ShapeViz.php As far as I can see ShapeViz does not come with enough freedom to be Free Software. http://www.my3d.com/ShapeVizLicense.php You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the SOFTWARE PRODUCT Note: This list is only about Free Software coming with the four nonretractable freedoms to use, modify, copy and publish improvements. > VRML has a lot of geospatial goodness these days, with the GeoVRML > extensions. Now that VRML has been replaced by X3D, this is called > "X3D Geospatial Profile" or something. > Then you can view your file in any VRML viewer: > http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Internet/Clients/VRML/Browser_Plugins/ Most of those viewer are also non-free. For the free ones, I once saw http://freewrl.sourceforge.net/ http://openvrml.org/ > If you want to do some cute tricks with your data, like integrating it > with a geospatial database and interactively placing objects from > within the 3D view, or writing and searching with metadata, then you > can try our 3map tools - http://www.ping.com.au - all Free & Open > Source Software, based on VRML/X3D, mySQL and Java. This seems to be Free Software, but a new one according to the page it was published 2 weeks ago. Does it completely run of a Free Software system? (E.g. does it avoid the Java-Trap: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html?) Can you submit this to www.freegis.org? 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Most useful to you > are likely the Freeview from PCI, and dlgv32 pro (an excellent product) Unfortunately most of those "products" are not Free Software! In this sense they are not excellent at all. Please refrain from advertising proprietary software on this list. Almost everywhere people read about non-free software and this mailinglist is for Free Software only. Regards, Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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E.g.: g3DGMV http://www.freegis.org/details.en.html?name=3D+Graphical+Map+Viewer OpenEV http://www.freegis.org/details.en.html?name=OpenEV demo3d http://www.freegis.org/details.en.html?name=dem3d I would try OpenEV first, it can also deal with shapefiles. Best, Bernhard -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) Experts for complex webmapping! In business since 1999: http://intevation.net/services/gis/webmapping.en.html Pay for FreeGIS if you like it: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050104/00c0a2f5/attachment.bin From bernhard at intevation.de Tue Jan 4 17:03:03 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:03:03 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] 3D topo? In-Reply-To: <41D99517.7000908@e-masi.com> References: <41D99517.7000908@e-masi.com> Message-ID: <20050104160303.GF19384@intevation.de> On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 01:55:19PM -0500, Jim Burnett wrote: > Anyone know of any software that I can mark points on a flat tiff file, > then view the file in 3D ? GRASS can of course do it, extending OpenEV a bit might also be a good way. Regards, Bernhard -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) Experts for complex webmapping! In business since 1999: http://intevation.net/services/gis/webmapping.en.html Pay for FreeGIS if you like it: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050104/8a3585b4/attachment.bin From bernhard at intevation.de Tue Jan 4 17:12:17 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:12:17 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Geographic/spatial data policies In-Reply-To: <20041215032059.44969.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041215032059.44969.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050104161217.GG19384@intevation.de> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 07:20:58PM -0800, Brent Wood wrote: > While this list is primarily interested in Open Source Software, in some areas > gov't funded data is the subject of a similar debate, regarding costs & > distribution. The FreeGIS Project is also about free data, so this is a topic for this list. From the mission statement http://www.freegis.org/about.en.html The FreeGIS Project aims to promote the freedom in the scope of Geographic Information Systems (GIS). It seeks to reach its aim through * promoting the use and release of publicly available geographic data in the same sense of freedom as for Free Software, There is a section for "data" on the website for a reason. ;) > Like my feelings on software, I believe the value of such data is > in how widely it can be used, rather than how much money can be made from it, > especially when the taxpayer funded the data collection in the first place. > > When it comes to OS GIS software, without good data, the software is of limited > use. > > Anyway, a new book has been released which may be of interest. It discusses a > range of issues & approaches: > Licensing Geographic Data & Services > by the National Research Council > > ISBN 0-309-09267-1 (book) > ISBN 0-309-54457-2 (PDF) > > or read/skim online at http://books.nap.edu/catalog/11079.html Did you read it? Can you recommend it? The summary sounds like it might recommend to make money from licences and that it is US centric. Regards, Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Note, there's also an extensive listing of open source SDKs and products here as well http://www.gisuser.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=105&func=s electcat&cat=6 If you think that this post is shameless self-profiting or advertising then you are a little bit paranoid my friend as there are some fine resources here. Best Glenn \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > -----Original Message----- > From: freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de > [mailto:freegis-list-bounces at intevation.de] On Behalf Of > Bernhard Reiter > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:55 AM > To: freegis-list at intevation.de > Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] free 3D viewer > > > On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 10:03:22AM -0800, GISuser.com - Glenn wrote: > > Can I suggest you visit the extensive collection of > suggested free GIS > > map viewers we have compiled at www.GISuser.com - see free > tools/ Free > > gis and viewers category - > > > http://www.gisuser.com/index.php?> option=com_remository&Itemid=105&func > > =s > > electcat&cat=3 . There's about 50 products listed. Most > useful to you > > are likely the Freeview from PCI, and dlgv32 pro (an > excellent product) > > Unfortunately most of those "products" are not Free Software! > In this sense they are not excellent at all. > > Please refrain from advertising proprietary software on this > list. Almost everywhere people read about non-free software > and this mailinglist is for Free Software only. > > Regards, > Bernhard > > From bernhard at intevation.de Tue Jan 4 17:44:20 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:44:20 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] gisuser.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c4f278$82bc6ac0$0302a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> References: <20050104155433.GD19384@intevation.de> <002b01c4f278$82bc6ac0$0302a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> Message-ID: <20050104164420.GH19384@intevation.de> Hi Glenn, On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 08:14:46AM -0800, GISuser.com - Glenn wrote: > Actually many of those products infact ARE free products and fully > functional if you took the time to look into them. Agreed, some are > demos or trial ware but many are no-hitch freeware and excellent > products! this mailinglist and the FreeGIS project is about software (and related things) coming with the freedom to a) use for any purporse, b) study and adapt to your needs (you need the source for for this) c) copy d) publish improved versions (source also needed) It also means the freedom to use it commercially, e.g. offer support for it, use it as tool and so on. Some people are using the term "open source" to mean the same about 15 years after the first appearance of the concept of Free Software. This is why I stick to the term "Free Software". I checked your link and found roughly 80% of the links to lack important freedoms. > Note, there's also an extensive listing of open source SDKs and products > here as well > http://www.gisuser.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=105&func=selectcat&cat=6 The rate of Free Software is a lot higher in that list, as far as I can see. > If you think that this post is shameless self-profiting or advertising > then you are a little bit paranoid my friend as there are some fine > resources here. The webpages you have linked carry advertisments for proprietary software. But this is something readers have to decide if they want to pay a site by buying the advertised products, sponsor it with their tax-money over a scientific funding or pay for an less advertisment prune site directly. This list is one of the rare places, where the freedom of the users and the society according to GIS is discussed. Sometimes it can be useful to discuss features of proprietary software or give link to see how the Free Software GIS community relates, but in general I hope to keep the quality of the list high in keeping the focus on the freedom of GIS. This is what I wanted to point out. Regards, Bernhard -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) Experts for complex webmapping! In business since 1999: http://intevation.net/services/gis/webmapping.en.html Pay for FreeGIS if you like it: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050104/18598483/attachment.bin From bwilson at clickshift.com Tue Jan 4 19:47:34 2005 From: bwilson at clickshift.com (Brian Wilson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:47:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Freegis-list] just free (was "free 3D viewer") In-Reply-To: <002b01c4f278$82bc6ac0$0302a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> References: <002b01c4f278$82bc6ac0$0302a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> Message-ID: > > Please refrain from advertising proprietary software on this > > list. Almost everywhere people read about non-free software > > and this mailinglist is for Free Software only. Ah yes, "Free Software" with a capital "F" as in "open source". I've been a devoted Linux user since 1992, and look forward one day to having a usable (posstibly free) fully featured GIS product based on Linux. Until then I will have to continue using ArcMap on Windows. As far as I am concerrned if someone wants to announce availability of closed-source software that comes with a price tag of "free" on this list, I'd say go for it. But it's not my list and I respect the wishes of the moderator. Many good solutions are lacking in the open source GIS world, and I need to know how to solve problems cheaply and quickly even if the sources for the solutions are closed. If anyone knows of another mailing list oriented towards "solutions" with a small 's' as in solving problems rather than becoming entangled in Free versus free issues, please let me know. Then I can subscribe to both -- this one to track the progress of Free and that to keep up with work until Free is more of a reality. Thanks Brian From cavallini at faunalia.it Tue Jan 4 19:54:41 2005 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:54:41 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] just free (was "free 3D viewer") In-Reply-To: References: <002b01c4f278$82bc6ac0$0302a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> Message-ID: <200501041954.44581.cavallini@faunalia.it> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Please do not start a flame. Grass 5.7/60 is at least as good as arcinfo, at a fraction of the total cost. If somebody has the evidence of the contrary, please let us know. All the best. pc At 19:47, marted? 04 gennaio 2005, Brian Wilson has probably written: > > > Please refrain from advertising proprietary software on this > > > list. Almost everywhere people read about non-free software > > > and this mailinglist is for Free Software only. > > Ah yes, "Free Software" with a capital "F" as in "open source". > > I've been a devoted Linux user since 1992, and look forward one day to > having a usable (posstibly free) fully featured GIS product based on > Linux. Until then I will have to continue using ArcMap on Windows. > > As far as I am concerrned if someone wants to announce availability of > closed-source software that comes with a price tag of "free" on this > list, I'd say go for it. But it's not my list and I respect the wishes > of the moderator. > > Many good solutions are lacking in the open source GIS world, and I > need to know how to solve problems cheaply and quickly even if the > sources for the solutions are closed. > > If anyone knows of another mailing list oriented towards "solutions" > with a small 's' as in solving problems rather than becoming entangled > in Free versus free issues, please let me know. Then I can subscribe > to both -- this one to track the progress of Free and that to keep up > with work until Free is more of a reality. > > Thanks > > Brian - -- Paolo Cavallini cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it www.faunalia.com Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 http://pkg-grass.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2uZx/NedwLUzIr4RAqkJAJ9eXSZfyB2rHwCT/EPbBwW3rSkdFwCgpsVq ve6uzMnGkwfyJrOHK1hZFWo= =gpF7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alet at librelogiciel.com Tue Jan 4 20:13:27 2005 From: alet at librelogiciel.com (Jerome Alet) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:13:27 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] just free (was "free 3D viewer") In-Reply-To: References: <002b01c4f278$82bc6ac0$0302a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> Message-ID: <20050104191327.GA3252@mail.librelogiciel.com> Hi, On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:47:34AM -0800, Brian Wilson wrote: > > I've been a devoted Linux user since 1992, and look forward one day to > having a usable (posstibly free) fully featured GIS product based on > Linux. Until then I will have to continue using ArcMap on Windows. then instead of "looking forward", waiting until this happens, why not help by coding such a software or sponsoring its developpment ? > If anyone knows of another mailing list oriented towards "solutions" > with a small 's' as in solving problems rather than becoming entangled > in Free versus free issues, please let me know. Then I can subscribe > to both -- this one to track the progress of Free and that to keep up > with work until Free is more of a reality. I suggest you to subscribe to a mailing list dedicated to the particular (Free, as in Freedom) Software you want to use, for example Grass, because it will be more solution-oriented than this one, which is mostly for advocacy and probably too "general". I know this is not very helpful though Good luck Jerome Alet From bwilson at clickshift.com Tue Jan 4 20:36:47 2005 From: bwilson at clickshift.com (Brian Wilson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:36:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Freegis-list] just free (was "free 3D viewer") In-Reply-To: <20050104191327.GA3252@mail.librelogiciel.com> References: <002b01c4f278$82bc6ac0$0302a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> <20050104191327.GA3252@mail.librelogiciel.com> Message-ID: > then instead of "looking forward", waiting until this happens, why > not help by coding such a software or sponsoring its developpment ? Lest anyone think I am trying to start a flame war, I am not. I try to take a pragmatic approach. As a sysadmin I have used Linux for many years where it's appropriate on my servers but I never try to yank Windows/Office away from people who are content to use them. I do intend to work on a GIS project. But I have 47 other projects going already. If I do pop up somewhere it will probably involve GPS because it's the most fun for me. Sorry I can't be a sponsor; I am a poor GIS student. I work part-time as a GIS tech. We use ArcMap at work. Need I say more? Now I promise I will never say "ArcMap" here, ever again. :-) Thanks for your suggestion regarding mailing lists. I am already on a dozen other mailing lists, each devoted to one application program. It's a very exciting time to be working with GIS/GPS open source. -- Brian Wilson Corvallis, Oregon 541-368-4120 From fwarmerdam at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 20:50:27 2005 From: fwarmerdam at gmail.com (Frank Warmerdam) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:50:27 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] just free (was "free 3D viewer") In-Reply-To: References: <002b01c4f278$82bc6ac0$0302a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> Message-ID: <931f8ea905010411506c4990d9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:47:34 -0800 (PST), Brian Wilson wrote: > If anyone knows of another mailing list oriented towards "solutions" > with a small 's' as in solving problems Brian, I see there are a bunch of forums on GISuser.com. ie. http://www.gisuser.com/component/option,com_simpleboard/Itemid,89/ I am on the gislist mailing list which you can subscribe to at: http://lists.geocomm.com/mailman/listinfo/gislist I don't find gislist all that active, though I see occational interesting discussions on it. In fact, I don't know of many "general purpose GIS" mailing lists or forums that are particularly active. There are lots of project or product specific lists if you know the technology you will be using. I'm not sure I would suggest any of them are "solution" oriented. And you will certainly run into various kinds of flame wars on the gislist list. Often on topics like certification or why software X sucks. Best regards, -- ---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam at pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent From Jon at rockware.com Tue Jan 4 20:18:02 2005 From: Jon at rockware.com (Jon Trujillo) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:18:02 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] RE: Freegis-list Digest, Vol 18, Issue 2 Message-ID: <426EBCF22A949B4B805FAD9E7C4ED05E01648814@server_one.rockware.local> Could you please change my subscription to individual e-mails? Thanks, Jon Jon Trujillo, M.S. RockWare, Inc. 2221 East St., Suite 101 Golden, CO 80401 ph: 303.278.3534 x100 fax: 303.278.4099 email: jon at rockware.com www.rockware.com/catalog/gis.html -----Original Message----- From: freegis-list-request at intevation.de [mailto:freegis-list-request at intevation.de] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:55 AM To: freegis-list at intevation.de Subject: Freegis-list Digest, Vol 18, Issue 2 Send Freegis-list mailing list submissions to freegis-list at intevation.de To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to freegis-list-request at intevation.de You can reach the person managing the list at freegis-list-owner at intevation.de When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Freegis-list digest..." From ari.jolma at tkk.fi Wed Jan 5 10:26:03 2005 From: ari.jolma at tkk.fi (Ari Jolma) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:26:03 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Geographic/spatial data policies In-Reply-To: <87fz1qqbzb.fsf@jidanni.org> References: <20041215032059.44969.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com> <41BFEBB5.9040704@lsi.uji.es> <87fz1qqbzb.fsf@jidanni.org> Message-ID: <41DBB2AB.4010308@tkk.fi> Dan Jacobson wrote: >Full of enthusiasm to read the book free online, I selected page >http://www.nap.edu/openbook/0309092671/html/1.html >only to find jpg's and OCR output... > > From my point of view this kind of development in general is very good still. Students here (Finland) are not very eager to buy books and having books online it is much easier to include them as material on a course. Ari -- Ari Jolma, ari.jolma at tkk.fi, Professor of Geoinformatics Teknillinen Korkeakoulu / Helsinki University of Technology POBox 1200, 02015 TKK, Finland http://www.tkk.fi/~jolma From napoogle at gmail.com Wed Jan 5 11:58:42 2005 From: napoogle at gmail.com (Maurizio Napolitano) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:58:42 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Java, Web & Wireless GIS Tools In-Reply-To: <20041224185312.73466.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041224185312.73466.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49456d74050105025841473c82@mail.gmail.com> Very nice but .. the license? Where i can find the source of this software? From napoogle at gmail.com Wed Jan 5 12:01:27 2005 From: napoogle at gmail.com (Maurizio Napolitano) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:01:27 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] 3D topo? In-Reply-To: <41D99517.7000908@e-masi.com> References: <41D99517.7000908@e-masi.com> Message-ID: <49456d74050105030125fbe621@mail.gmail.com> I think that OpenEV is the easy solution for you From bernhard at intevation.de Wed Jan 5 12:12:21 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:12:21 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Listadministration: How to change options. (Was: Freegis-list Digest, Vol 18, Issue 2) In-Reply-To: <426EBCF22A949B4B805FAD9E7C4ED05E01648814@server_one.rockware.local> References: <426EBCF22A949B4B805FAD9E7C4ED05E01648814@server_one.rockware.local> Message-ID: <20050105111221.GN20018@intevation.de> On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:18:02PM -0700, Jon Trujillo wrote: > Could you please change my subscription to individual e-mails? The mailman webinterface allows everybody to set their options by themself. Check the link given below and go to the bottom of the page, enter your email address in the last entry field to reach your subscription option page. If you there is an question that you cannot solve yourself, please email the owner address first and not the list. Otherwise you have more then 750 subscribers reading your request. Regards, Bernhard ps.: I am deliverately seinding this to the list for general education. > -----Original Message----- > From: freegis-list-request at intevation.de > [mailto:freegis-list-request at intevation.de] > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:55 AM > To: freegis-list at intevation.de > Subject: Freegis-list Digest, Vol 18, Issue 2 > > Send Freegis-list mailing list submissions to > freegis-list at intevation.de > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freegis-list-request at intevation.de > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freegis-list-owner at intevation.de > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Freegis-list digest..." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As other have pointed out: There is very capable Free Software GIS running on GNU/Linux, GRASS is among the strongest of them, but there is a lot more. Many of them also run on other operating systems like FreeBSD and even proprietary ones. > As far as I am concerrned if someone wants to announce availability of > closed-source software that comes with a price tag of "free" on this > list, I'd say go for it. But it's not my list and I respect the wishes > of the moderator. Thanks. > Many good solutions are lacking in the open source GIS world, and I > need to know how to solve problems cheaply and quickly even if the > sources for the solutions are closed. (The availability of the source is not enough for being Open Source. I would love to be able to be less careful with the terms, but there is a potential of missunderstanding with most of them.) Note that many people on this list believe that each time you use non-free software even when forced by a certain degree, you morally do the wrong thing in helping to take away freedom for them and the society. > If anyone knows of another mailing list oriented towards "solutions" > with a small 's' as in solving problems rather than becoming entangled > in Free versus free issues, please let me know. I can understand the need for pragmatic solutions, but we can only keep the quality of a list high if we focus the topic. Also off-topic are deep discussion about Free Software and its terminiology. Most of this was debated already during the last 20 years and thus there are much better places to contribute arguments. If you look in the archive you can see that a lot of pragmatic help has been given for GIS solutions on freegis-list; only it was focussed on Free Software. Bernhard -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) Experts for complex webmapping! In business since 1999: http://intevation.net/services/gis/webmapping.en.html Pay for FreeGIS if you like it: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050105/e0ceb1a9/attachment.bin From adoyle at eogeo.org Wed Jan 5 15:07:33 2005 From: adoyle at eogeo.org (Allan Doyle) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:07:33 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Geographic/spatial data policies In-Reply-To: <87fz1qqbzb.fsf@jidanni.org> References: <20041215032059.44969.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com> <41BFEBB5.9040704@lsi.uji.es> <87fz1qqbzb.fsf@jidanni.org> Message-ID: <24DFE810-5F23-11D9-8905-000A95DA2B18@eogeo.org> Each page has a PDF link in it. The page you selected has this link http://print.nap.edu/pdf/0309092671/pdf_image/1.pdf The executive summary as a whole is also available as PDF at http://www.nap.edu/execsumm_pdf/11079.pdf The point is that they make it possible to read online but a little harder to read offline. I skimmed the executive summary and believe that the book seems to be even-handed and does not a priori decide that data should be restrictively licensed. I think we need to constructively move the world towards more freedom and openness, and the current non-flamewar under the "just free..." subject shows that the FreeGIS community is willing to help in that regard. Allan On Dec 28, 2004, at 17:44, Dan Jacobson wrote: > Full of enthusiasm to read the book free online, I selected page > http://www.nap.edu/openbook/0309092671/html/1.html > only to find jpg's and OCR output... > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > From jvarga at boulder.net Wed Jan 5 17:44:23 2005 From: jvarga at boulder.net (Jack Varga) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:44:23 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] just free In-Reply-To: <20050105112915.GO20018@intevation.de> References: <002b01c4f278$82bc6ac0$0302a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> <20050105112915.GO20018@intevation.de> Message-ID: <41DC1967.5000202@boulder.net> On the topic of free and as a believer that RMS is perhaps the most prolific philosopher of our time, I agree it is important to toe the line with content posted to the list. However, I am by no means offended when a contributor provides a link to free(dom) software that may share a page with a link to non-free(dom) software. Furthermore, brash intolerance, (i.e., flames) directed at list contributers that err by posting info on "free" software that doesn't include the "freedom" to modify, redistribute, etc., ultimately hurts our cause by instilling resentment, when all that is needed is a courteous response, perhaps even off-list, that notifies the offender of the err of their ways. The childrens tale of which, the wind or sun, is more effective at having a maiden take off her coat comes to mind. My $0.02... Now, a question. Does anyone know of efforts to develop a DWG library that is compatible with GPL, LGPL or a similar license? The Open Design Group's OpenDWG library (a misnomer in its own right), is seriously problematic in regards to licensing. Regards, Jack Varga Bernhard Reiter wrote: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:47:34AM -0800, Brian Wilson wrote: > >>>>Please refrain from advertising proprietary software on this >>>>list. Almost everywhere people read about non-free software >>>>and this mailinglist is for Free Software only. > > >>I've been a devoted Linux user since 1992, and look forward one day to >>having a usable (posstibly free) fully featured GIS product based on >>Linux. Until then I will have to continue using ArcMap on Windows. > > > As other have pointed out: There is very capable Free Software GIS > running on GNU/Linux, GRASS is among the strongest of them, > but there is a lot more. > Many of them also run on other operating systems like FreeBSD > and even proprietary ones. > > >>As far as I am concerrned if someone wants to announce availability of >>closed-source software that comes with a price tag of "free" on this >>list, I'd say go for it. But it's not my list and I respect the wishes >>of the moderator. > > > Thanks. > > >>Many good solutions are lacking in the open source GIS world, and I >>need to know how to solve problems cheaply and quickly even if the >>sources for the solutions are closed. > > > (The availability of the source is not enough for being Open Source. > I would love to be able to be less careful with the terms, > but there is a potential of missunderstanding with most of them.) > > Note that many people on this list believe that > each time you use non-free software > even when forced by a certain degree, > you morally do the wrong thing > in helping to take away freedom for them and the society. > > >>If anyone knows of another mailing list oriented towards "solutions" >>with a small 's' as in solving problems rather than becoming entangled >>in Free versus free issues, please let me know. > > > I can understand the need for pragmatic solutions, > but we can only keep the quality of a list high if we focus the topic. > > Also off-topic are deep discussion about Free Software and its terminiology. > Most of this was debated already during the last 20 years > and thus there are much better places to contribute arguments. > > If you look in the archive you can see that a lot of pragmatic help > has been given for GIS solutions on freegis-list; > only it was focussed on Free Software. > > Bernhard > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From Jeroen.Ticheler at fao.org Wed Jan 5 21:21:17 2005 From: Jeroen.Ticheler at fao.org (Jeroen Ticheler) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:21:17 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] just free In-Reply-To: <41DC1967.5000202@boulder.net> References: <002b01c4f278$82bc6ac0$0302a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> <20050105112915.GO20018@intevation.de> <41DC1967.5000202@boulder.net> Message-ID: <5B1FF814-5F57-11D9-B53F-000A95D05840@fao.org> Thanks for that posting! I can't agree more. I subscribed just a few weeks ago and was quite surprised to see this 'brash intolerance' ;-) It really made me feel I entered the domain of the hard-liners fighting any mention of closed /semi-closed/ semi open software with a solid counter attack! ;-) Still, I can see the reasoning and accept that fully. The list is very interesting and I will definitely follow the discussions with care, being a supporter of and small contributor to free software myself. Greetings and a Happy new Year, Jeroen On 5 Jan 2005, at 17:44, Jack Varga wrote: > On the topic of free and as a believer that RMS is perhaps the most > prolific philosopher of our time, I agree it is important to > toe the line with content posted to the list.? However, I am by > no means offended when a contributor provides a link to free(dom) > software that may share a page with a link to non-free(dom) > software.? Furthermore, brash intolerance, (i.e., flames) directed > at list contributers that err by posting info on "free" > software that doesn't include the "freedom" to modify, redistribute, > etc., ultimately hurts our cause by instilling resentment, when > all that is needed is a courteous response, perhaps even off-list, > that notifies the offender of the err of their ways.? The childrens > tale of which, the wind or sun, is more effective at having a > maiden take off her coat comes to mind.? My $0.02... > > Now, a question.? Does anyone know of efforts to develop a DWG > library that is compatible with GPL, LGPL or a similar license? > The Open Design Group's OpenDWG library (a misnomer in its own > right), is seriously problematic in regards to licensing. > > Regards, > Jack Varga > > Bernhard Reiter wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:47:34AM -0800, Brian Wilson wrote: > > > >>>>Please refrain from advertising proprietary software on this > >>>>list. Almost everywhere people read about non-free software > >>>>and this mailinglist is for Free Software only. > > > > > >>I've been a devoted Linux user since 1992, and look forward one day > to > >>having a usable (posstibly free) fully featured GIS product based on > >>Linux. Until then I will have to continue using ArcMap on Windows. > > > > > > As other have pointed out: There is very capable Free Software GIS > > running on GNU/Linux, GRASS is among the strongest of them, > > but there is a lot more. > > Many of them also run on other operating systems like FreeBSD > > and even proprietary ones. > > > > > >>As far as I am concerrned if someone wants to announce availability > of > >>closed-source software that comes with a price tag of "free" on this > >>list, I'd say go for it. But it's not my list and I respect the > wishes > >>of the moderator. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > >>Many good solutions are lacking in the open source GIS world, and I > >>need to know how to solve problems cheaply and quickly even if the > >>sources for the solutions are closed. > > > > > > (The availability of the source is not enough for being Open Source. > > I would love to be able to be less careful with the terms, > > but there is a potential of missunderstanding with most of them.) > > > > Note that many people on this list believe that > > each time you use non-free software > > even when forced by a certain degree, > > you morally do the wrong thing > > in helping to take away freedom for them and the society. > > > > > >>If anyone knows of another mailing list oriented towards "solutions" > >>with a small 's' as in solving problems rather than becoming > entangled > >>in Free versus free issues, please let me know. > > > > > > I can understand the need for pragmatic solutions, > > but we can only keep the quality of a list high if we focus the > topic. > > > > Also off-topic are deep discussion about Free Software and its > terminiology. > > Most of this was debated already during the last 20 years > > and thus there are much better places to contribute arguments. > > > > If you look in the archive you can see that a lot of pragmatic help > > has been given for GIS solutions on freegis-list; > > only it was focussed on Free Software. > > > > ????? Bernhard > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Freegis-list mailing list > > Freegis-list at intevation.de > > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From jmckenna at dmsolutions.ca Thu Jan 6 01:45:42 2005 From: jmckenna at dmsolutions.ca (Jeff McKenna) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:45:42 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] off topic: Initial Version of the Indian Ocean Disaster Mapping Application Message-ID: <41DC8A36.1090809@dmsolutions.ca> Hello everyone, You might be interested to know that the initial version of the Indian Ocean Disaster Mapping application is online at http://mapsherpa.com/tsunami/. This is a MapServer/Chameleon application, using several OGC:WMS layers. If you have some ideas for relevant data sources for the area (preferably available through OGC standards) please let me know. thanks. jeff -- Jeff McKenna DM Solutions Group Inc. http://www.dmsolutions.ca From guy_j_edwards at hotpop.com Thu Jan 6 04:16:07 2005 From: guy_j_edwards at hotpop.com (Guy Edwards) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 03:16:07 +0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] just free In-Reply-To: <41DC1967.5000202@boulder.net> References: <002b01c4f278$82bc6ac0$0302a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> <20050105112915.GO20018@intevation.de> <41DC1967.5000202@boulder.net> Message-ID: <1104981367.2230.54.camel@portable> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 16:44, Jack Varga wrote: [snip] > Now, a question. Does anyone know of efforts to develop a DWG > library that is compatible with GPL, LGPL or a similar license? > The Open Design Group's OpenDWG library (a misnomer in its own > right), is seriously problematic in regards to licensing. You might want to see what the PythodCAD guys are up to, last year they had an experimental GPL DWG library of some sort running which was fun to help test but I've not been following it since. I think it's Art Haas who is the main developer. As someone who was flamed a long time back for posting an at-the time incorrectly licensed project it wasn't necessary a bad thing in hindsight. It made me actually _read_ the licenses properly and study them and see where we (as a project) were at much greater risk than we realised from the ways we were trying to distribute our project linked to the closed source libraries it depended on. It made me realise it actually was a big issue and not a minor one, and the guys who flamed were quite human and approachable when you emailed them off list and said you wanted to try and fix the situation. At the same time we were talking to someone from Autodesk who wanted to know if we were going to use their DWF library. I was in the habit of actual reading licenses now and the license was a nightmare but we tried to explain it to them and they said they'd see what they could do. A year later and the latest DWF toolkit was under an almost open source license. I hear it's not perfect but it was pretty close (better than the OpenDWG people by a mile) version 6 is the good one, 5.5 is the old one. http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=3148996 So even the big companies will listen if you explain your case and I'm not anyone even slightly important. As a bit of a coincidence, it was the OpenDWG libraries we used and OpenDWG changed them and now I don't think the lead developer would mind if I said the projects dead (it would have meant a complete re-write apparently). yes you can still download the old libraries if you download a form, fill it out, sign it and post it to OpenDWG and wait for their approval but you cant redistribute the library and you can't modify it even if you wanted to. If it were truly "free" then things would be different. I used to think the "hard-liners" were a bit harsh, but I've come to see them as rather important. The flame didn't scar me for life and people are passionate about what they believe in, I quite like it that way. Guy From bernhard at intevation.de Thu Jan 6 18:11:34 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:11:34 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] just free In-Reply-To: <41DC1967.5000202@boulder.net> References: <002b01c4f278$82bc6ac0$0302a8c0@SPATIALGRAPHIC> <20050105112915.GO20018@intevation.de> <41DC1967.5000202@boulder.net> Message-ID: <20050106171134.GB14800@intevation.de> Hi Jack, On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:44:23AM -0700, Jack Varga wrote: > However, I am by no means offended when a contributor provides > a link to free(dom) software that may share a page with a link > to non-free(dom) software. this always has been okay on this list, unless is missleads people. > Furthermore, brash intolerance, (i.e., flames) directed > at list contributers that err by posting info on "free" > software that doesn't include the "freedom" to modify, redistribute, > etc., ultimately hurts our cause by instilling resentment, when > all that is needed is a courteous response, perhaps even off-list, > that notifies the offender of the err of their ways. This list gets a lot of new subscribers and though we do have a mission statement, it sometimes happens that people happily start recommending non-free software. I found an off-list reply not to be effective enough in this situation. A direct response to the list helps to clarify and saves times by directly doing so. Because I write many emails per day, my style sometimes is brief. In this way I can often can help two person with an answer instead of one. Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There are a couple of Free Software projects and libraries which try to deal with Autocad files. Unfortunately they lack one or the other functionality. And the existance of the non-free opendwg library lowers the pressure for people to join and progress with an implemtation. This has been discussed on the grass development lists quite often. E.g. see threads around: http://grass.itc.it/pipermail/grass5/2003-May/007854.html http://grass.itc.it/pipermail/grass5/2004-August/015245.html You find code on www.freegis.org searching for dxf. There is DIME dxflib dxfscope HADES There is also code in QCAD and PythonCAD. PythonCAD looks most promissing: * Started in August 2003 * Licensed: GNU GPL * It has been written reading the specs from opendwg http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pythoncad/2003-August/000036.html * there are about 10 K lines python code for handling dwg files in the PythonCAD repository, like dwg15.py * The lx-viewer project is assissting in testing the dwg reading code http://lx-viewer.sourceforge.net/dwg/dwg.php on the 18th Sep they had a Error rate now 62/14756 = 0.420168067% Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks ..Tom ========================= Tom Kralidis Systems Scientist Environment Canada Tel: +01-905-336-4409 http://www.ec.gc.ca/ From sherman at mrcc.com Fri Jan 7 19:43:16 2005 From: sherman at mrcc.com (Gary Sherman) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:43:16 -0900 Subject: [Freegis-list] open source z39.50 server In-Reply-To: <2576812186CDD411BF1500508B6DCE9508A7D893@ecnwri1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca> References: <2576812186CDD411BF1500508B6DCE9508A7D893@ecnwri1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca> Message-ID: <200501070943.16681.sherman@mrcc.com> On Friday 07 January 2005 09:22, Kralidis,Tom [Burlington] wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone have any knowledge or pointers to examples of open source > z39.50 server software out there? The Federal Geographic Data Committee (FGDC) offers a reference implementation (Isite). See http://fgdc.gov/clearinghouse/tutorials/imagetour.html for more information. -gary -- Gary E. 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The GeoTools 2.0 branch has been successfully powering releases of GeoServer for some months now and we look forward to seeing what other users will be able to do with the toolkit, so download and enjoy the fun. I'd like to extend a huge thank you to everyone who helped to make this release possible and especially to the members of the Project Management Committee past and present who have spent so much of there spare time working on this project. For more information about this release see: http://www.geotools.org/2.0.0 James Macgill From Jeroen.Ticheler at fao.org Fri Jan 7 23:47:58 2005 From: Jeroen.Ticheler at fao.org (Jeroen Ticheler) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:47:58 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] open source z39.50 server In-Reply-To: <2576812186CDD411BF1500508B6DCE9508A7D893@ecnwri1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca> References: <2576812186CDD411BF1500508B6DCE9508A7D893@ecnwri1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca> Message-ID: <2D6BE06A-60FE-11D9-ABA8-000A95D05840@fao.org> Hi Tom, We have implemented a z39.50 server and client in our GeoNetwork OpenSource catalog application. The application is maintained at http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork , with our own implementation running at http://www.fao.org/geonetwork A version 2 product is under development that will support different metadata standards in case you need something that supports other metadata formats than ISO19115. I will also put an interim version 1.2.2 out in the coming two weeks. Greetings, Jeroen On 7 Jan 2005, at 19:22, Kralidis,Tom [Burlington] wrote: > > > Hi, > > Does anyone have any knowledge or pointers to examples of open source > z39.50 server software out there? > > Thanks > > ..Tom > > ========================= > Tom Kralidis > Systems Scientist > Environment Canada > Tel: +01-905-336-4409 > http://www.ec.gc.ca/ > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From dcalvelo at minag.gob.pe Sat Jan 8 01:47:34 2005 From: dcalvelo at minag.gob.pe (Daniel Calvelo Aros) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] open source z39.50 server In-Reply-To: <2D6BE06A-60FE-11D9-ABA8-000A95D05840@fao.org> References: <2576812186CDD411BF1500508B6DCE9508A7D893@ecnwri1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca> <2D6BE06A-60FE-11D9-ABA8-000A95D05840@fao.org> Message-ID: <20050108004323.M66640@minag.gob.pe> Hi, all. If you want a more customizable option, there's YAZ (it's included in Debian, if you're into Linux): http://www.indexdata.dk/yaz/ ; it's a framework, actually, from which servers and clients can be built, using C, PHP, Perl. Demo applications are included. -- Daniel Calvelo Aros ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Jeroen Ticheler To: "Kralidis,Tom [Burlington]" Cc: freegis-list at intevation.de Sent: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:47:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] open source z39.50 server > Hi Tom, > We have implemented a z39.50 server and client in our GeoNetwork > OpenSource catalog application. The application is maintained at > http://sourceforge.net/projects/geonetwork , with our own > implementation running at http://www.fao.org/geonetwork > A version 2 product is under development that will support different > metadata standards in case you need something that supports other > metadata formats than ISO19115. I will also put an interim version > 1.2.2 out in the coming two weeks. > Greetings, > Jeroen > > On 7 Jan 2005, at 19:22, Kralidis,Tom [Burlington] wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone have any knowledge or pointers to examples of open source > > z39.50 server software out there? > > > > Thanks > > > > ..Tom > > > > ========================= > > Tom Kralidis > > Systems Scientist > > Environment Canada > > Tel: +01-905-336-4409 > > http://www.ec.gc.ca/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Freegis-list mailing list > > Freegis-list at intevation.de > > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list ------- End of Original Message ------- From uperez at telecom.com.co Mon Jan 10 16:57:38 2005 From: uperez at telecom.com.co (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Prof._Uriel_P=E9rez_G=F3mez?=) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:57:38 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Geographic/spatial data policies References: <20041215032059.44969.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com> <41BFEBB5.9040704@lsi.uji.es> <87fz1qqbzb.fsf@jidanni.org> <24DFE810-5F23-11D9-8905-000A95DA2B18@eogeo.org> Message-ID: <00da01c4f72f$e0c75560$5c2d15c8@mega> Special for developing countries: Access to Electronic Resources at the National Academies PDF files are available free. Uriel P?rez, Professor, uperez at ut.edu.co, LabSIG / Universidad del Tolima Ibagu? - Tolima, Colombia www.ut.edu.co/profesores/upg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Doyle" To: "freegis-list" Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] Re: Geographic/spatial data policies > Each page has a PDF link in it. The page you selected has this link > http://print.nap.edu/pdf/0309092671/pdf_image/1.pdf The executive > summary as a whole is also available as PDF at > http://www.nap.edu/execsumm_pdf/11079.pdf > > The point is that they make it possible to read online but a little > harder to read offline. > > I skimmed the executive summary and believe that the book seems to be > even-handed and does not a priori decide that data should be > restrictively licensed. > > I think we need to constructively move the world towards more freedom > and openness, and the current non-flamewar under the "just free..." > subject shows that the FreeGIS community is willing to help in that > regard. > > Allan > > On Dec 28, 2004, at 17:44, Dan Jacobson wrote: > > > Full of enthusiasm to read the book free online, I selected page > > http://www.nap.edu/openbook/0309092671/html/1.html > > only to find jpg's and OCR output... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Freegis-list mailing list > > Freegis-list at intevation.de > > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kjell R?ang Christian Michelsen Research From ral at alum.mit.edu Fri Jan 14 13:10:58 2005 From: ral at alum.mit.edu (Roger Longhorn) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:10:58 +0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] IBM software patents to be freely available from now In-Reply-To: <20050114004807.90620.qmail@web53601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050114120946.0126fbc0@pop.freeserve.com> IBM software patents to be freely available from now ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In New York, International Business Machines Corporation (IBM) has planned to announce that it is making 500 of its software patents freely available to anyone working on open source projects such as Linux operating system. http://www.i4donline.net/news1.asp?fol_name=O_Source&file_name=src54 >>>> I wonder if any apply to GI/GIS? RAL Roger A. Longhorn Director, Info-Dynamics Research Associates Ltd EC Projects Office 1A Potters Cross, Wootton Bedfordshire MK43 9JG, U.K. Computer voicemail & Fax +44 (0)870 134 6492 E-mail: ral at alum.mit.edu Mobile +44 (0)7879 875288 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050114/7ca98d48/attachment.html From ral at alum.mit.edu Fri Jan 14 14:20:18 2005 From: ral at alum.mit.edu (Roger Longhorn) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:20:18 +0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS Patents at USPTO In-Reply-To: <20050114004807.90620.qmail@web53601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050114130732.0126c090@pop.freeserve.com> Dear list(s), Has anyone actually done a full search of GI/GIS related patents (software and methods) on USPTO and reported it to the GI/GIS community(ies)? I just typed in the words "geographic information" to be searched in the Abstract field and found 75 hits, such as the one below - which I am *sure* many software developers here in Europe are or may be infringing, given the scope of the claim! Kind regards Roger ral at alum.mit.edu ======================================= United States Patent 6,772,142 Kelling , et al. August 3, 2004 ---------- Method and apparatus for collecting and expressing geographically-referenced data Abstract A web-based implemented system in which observers may pinpoint locations on a scalable map in order to fix data by latitude and longitude and to collect data describing that location. Also permitted within the system is the selection of non-contiguous groups of geographic data points for analysis. Although not limited thereto, the system may be used to track bird sightings and migration patterns as well as other bird related information and data. The mapping is scalable and can be integrated with a Geographic Information System (GIS), e.g. elevation, vegetation or city maps. Variations over time can be analyzed for a specific point, and pattern movements across points can be tracked. ---------- Inventors: Kelling; Steven T. (Berkshire, NY); Beloin; Ronald M. (Ithaca, NY); Fitzpatrick; John W. (Ithaca, NY); Gill; Frank B. (Rushland, PA); Slothower; Roger L. (Ithaca, NY); Fredericks; Thomas A. (Van Etten, NY) Assignee: Cornell Research Foundation, Inc. (Ithaca, NY); National Audubon Society, Inc. (New York, NY) Appl. No.: 702407 Filed: October 31, 2000 Current U.S. Class: 707/3; 701/206; 707/10; 709/217 Intern'l Class: G06F 017/30 Field of Search: 707/3-5,100-104.1 709/217,218,200,206,208,220,229 701/200,206,208 >>>>>> Unfortunately for the GI/GIS open source community (referring to previous announcement that IBM was "making 500 of its software patents freely available to anyone working on open source projects such as Linux operating system." for that community), only two hits result from "geograhpic information" and "IBM" or "International Business Machines" - although one of these is quite valuable, one would have thought, given the predicted size of the location based services market (see below)! >>>>> United States Patent 6,526,284 Sharp , et al. February 25, 2003 ---------- Transmission of geographic information to mobile devices Abstract Provided is a data transmission method, a communications network, a mobile receiving device and data processing methods for use in broadcast of geographic information to mobile devices. The invention overcomes the problem of lack of currency of static information distribution via CD-ROM, and the problem of the cost of lengthy connections to the Internet which is a requirement of some dynamic solutions. The geographic data which is relevant to a transmitter in the network is broadcast by the transmitter as a plurality of separate data elements which each relate to and include an identification of a specific map segment of a segmented map, such that the data elements can be transmitted independently of each other and the map segment identifier can be used by the receiving device to position the geographic information of each data element within the appropriate map segment. Each data element is retransmitted periodically such that gaps can be filled in and the map can be built up over time even if transmission failures occur during a transmission. ---------- Inventors: Sharp; Christopher Edward (Winchester, GB); Stanford-Clark; Andrew James (Chale, GB) Assignee: International Business Machines Corporation (Armonk, NY) Appl. No.: 510623 Filed: February 22, 2000 Foreign Application Priority Data ---------- Nov 10, 1999[GB]9926492 Current U.S. Class: 455/456.6; 340/995.1; 342/450; 342/457; 455/457; 701/208 Intern'l Class: H04Q 007/20 Field of Search: 455/456,457 342/450,457 701/208,209,211,212 340/990,995,998 >>>>> to find out more, have a go at www.uspto.gov Kind regards Roger ral at alum.mit.edu >Legal-Econ mailing list >Legal-Econ at lists.gsdi.org >http://lists.gsdi.org/mailman/listinfo/legal-econ Roger A. Longhorn Director, Info-Dynamics Research Associates Ltd EC Projects Office 1A Potters Cross, Wootton Bedfordshire MK43 9JG, U.K. Computer voicemail & Fax +44 (0)870 134 6492 E-mail: ral at alum.mit.edu Mobile +44 (0)7879 875288 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050114/a3d1e293/attachment.html From sxpert at esitcom.org Fri Jan 14 14:30:56 2005 From: sxpert at esitcom.org (Amaury Jacquot) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:30:56 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS Patents at USPTO In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050114130732.0126c090@pop.freeserve.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050114130732.0126c090@pop.freeserve.com> Message-ID: <41E7C990.20001@esitcom.org> you can find a lot of those things by searching for "navigation technologies" even worse, like "using the hough (sp) transform to fit circle arcs to roads captured with a GPS device" or something like that... Amaury Roger Longhorn wrote: > Dear list(s), > > Has anyone actually *done *a full search of GI/GIS related patents > (software and methods) on USPTO *and *reported it to the GI/GIS > community(ies)? > > I just typed in the words "geographic information" to be searched in the > Abstract field and found *75 hits*, such as the one below - which I am > *sure* many software developers here in Europe are or may be infringing, > given the scope of the claim! > > Kind regards > > Roger > ral at alum.mit.edu > > ======================================= > > *United States Patent 6,772,142 > Kelling , et al.* *August 3, 2004 > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Method and apparatus for collecting and expressing > geographically-referenced data > > *Abstract > > * > A web-based implemented system *in which observers may pinpoint > locations on a scalable map in order to fix data by latitude and > longitude and to collect data describing that location*. Also permitted > within the system is the selection of non-contiguous groups of > geographic data points for analysis. Although not limited thereto, the > system may be used to track bird sightings and migration patterns as > well as other bird related information and data. The mapping is scalable > and can be integrated with a */Geographic Information/* System (GIS), > e.g. elevation, vegetation or city maps. Variations over time can be > analyzed for a specific point, and pattern movements across points can > be tracked. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Inventors: *Kelling; Steven T.* (Berkshire, NY); *Beloin; Ronald M.* > (Ithaca, NY); *Fitzpatrick; John W.* (Ithaca, NY); *Gill; Frank B.* > (Rushland, PA); *Slothower; Roger L.* (Ithaca, NY); *Fredericks; Thomas > A.* (Van Etten, NY) > Assignee: *Cornell Research Foundation, Inc.* (Ithaca, NY); *National > Audubon Society, Inc.* (New York, NY) > Appl. No.: *702407 > *Filed: *October 31, 2000 > > Current U.S. Class:* *707/3*; 701/206; 707/10; 709/217 > *Intern'l Class: *G06F 017/30 > *Field of Search: *707/3-5,100-104.1 709/217,218,200,206,208,220,229 > 701/200,206,208 > > >>>>>> > > Unfortunately for the GI/GIS open source community (referring to > previous announcement that IBM was "making 500 of its software patents > freely available to anyone working on open source projects such as Linux > operating system." for that community), only two hits result from > "geograhpic information" *and *"IBM" or "International Business > Machines" - although one of these is quite valuable, one would have > thought, given the predicted size of the location based services market > (see below)! > > >>>>> > > *United States Patent 6,526,284 > Sharp , et al.* *February 25, 2003 > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Transmission of geographic information to mobile devices > > *Abstract > > * > Provided is a data transmission method, a communications network, a > mobile receiving device and data processing methods for use in broadcast > of */geographic information/* to mobile devices. The invention overcomes > the problem of lack of currency of static information distribution via > CD-ROM, and the problem of the cost of lengthy connections to the > Internet which is a requirement of some dynamic solutions. The > geographic data which is relevant to a transmitter in the network is > broadcast by the transmitter as a plurality of separate data elements > which each relate to and include an identification of a specific map > segment of a segmented map, such that the data elements can be > transmitted independently of each other and the map segment identifier > can be used by the receiving device to position the */geographic > information/* of each data element within the appropriate map segment. > Each data element is retransmitted periodically such that gaps can be > filled in and the map can be built up over time even if transmission > failures occur during a transmission. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Inventors: *Sharp; Christopher Edward* (Winchester, GB); > *Stanford-Clark; Andrew James* (Chale, GB) > Assignee: *International Business Machines Corporation* (Armonk, NY) > Appl. No.: *510623 > *Filed: *February 22, 2000 > Foreign Application Priority Data > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Nov 10, 1999[GB]9926492 > > *Current U.S. Class:* *455/456.6*; 340/995.1; 342/450; 342/457; 455/457; > 701/208 > *Intern'l Class: *H04Q 007/20 > *Field of Search: *455/456,457 342/450,457 701/208,209,211,212 > 340/990,995,998 > > >>>>> > > to find out more, have a go at www.uspto.gov > > Kind regards > > Roger > ral at alum.mit.edu > >> Legal-Econ mailing list >> Legal-Econ at lists.gsdi.org >> http://lists.gsdi.org/mailman/listinfo/legal-econ > > > > Roger A. Longhorn > Director, Info-Dynamics Research Associates Ltd > EC Projects Office > 1A Potters Cross, Wootton > Bedfordshire MK43 9JG, U.K. > Computer voicemail & Fax +44 (0)870 134 6492 > E-mail: ral at alum.mit.edu > Mobile +44 (0)7879 875288 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From adoyle at eogeo.org Fri Jan 14 15:36:10 2005 From: adoyle at eogeo.org (Allan Doyle) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:36:10 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] World Map WMS services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You might try the wms-dev list as well. I think there are services that have portions of the world at higher resolution. http://lists.eogeo.org/mailman/listinfo/wms-dev There's also this article that talks about how hard it is to find WMS's: http://digitalearth.org/story/2004/12/1/15658/1000 The good news is that Paul Ramsey is going to be talking about this at the OGC meeting next week. The hope is that a group will form to work out how to do a good job of having a comprehensive catalog. Allan On Jan 14, 2005, at 05:48, Kjell R?ang wrote: > Hello everyone. > Does anybody know if there exist WMS services (free or commercial) > with maps > covering the word and resolution better than Digital Charts of the > World. > > Kjell R?ang > Christian Michelsen Research > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > From bernhard at intevation.de Fri Jan 14 20:55:03 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:55:03 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] IBM software patents to be freely available from now In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050114120946.0126fbc0@pop.freeserve.com> References: <20050114004807.90620.qmail@web53601.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050114120946.0126fbc0@pop.freeserve.com> Message-ID: <20050114195503.GP6661@intevation.de> On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 12:10:58PM +0000, Roger Longhorn wrote: > IBM software patents to be freely available from now > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > In New York, International Business Machines Corporation (IBM) has > planned to announce that it is making 500 of its software patents > freely available to anyone working on open source projects such as > Linux operating system. This is at least a smoke screen by IBM, but it might be even be a small attack on the Free Software community. The discussion is just starting. > I wonder if any apply to GI/GIS? Even if they did, this might be of limited use as many Free Software components deliberately use licenses with releaxed freedom protection like the GNU Lesser GPL or MIT/X and the patents do not let you do the same stuff with such licensed code then. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You cannot decide if it applies to you and if you read them and you are dragged into court, you might even get a higher punishment because you were aware of the issues in detail. This is why Ferguson and Scheiner 2003 [1] basically recommend to not read software patents if you want to design or build software. Bernhard [1] Practical Cryptography cover of Practical Cryptography Niels Ferguson and Bruce Schneier John Wiley & Sons, 2003 http://www.macfergus.com/pc/index.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <50011.65.1.35.165.1106076816.squirrel@65.1.35.165> My company and I have received word that we will be losing our webservices based GIS provider. We have an application that requires mapping and routing. I am looking for advice on cobling together open-source solutions to meet these needs, Any help would be appreciated. High-Level Requirements (I can elaborate more if needed): Requirement 1: Mapping - Being able to draw a map(a road map) while starting from a address, city, state, zip. Dumping out via jpeg or better yet png would be best. Requirement 2: Routing - Getting directions(turn-by-turn driving direction) between two points. * Obviously speed would be a factor, but more so, quality of data is paramount. TIA, Adam Gautier From sxpert at esitcom.org Tue Jan 18 20:33:37 2005 From: sxpert at esitcom.org (Amaury Jacquot) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:33:37 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Losing GIS solution... In-Reply-To: <50011.65.1.35.165.1106076816.squirrel@65.1.35.165> References: <50011.65.1.35.165.1106076816.squirrel@65.1.35.165> Message-ID: <41ED6491.3050401@esitcom.org> Adam Gautier wrote: > My company and I have received word that we will be losing our webservices > based GIS provider. We have an application that requires mapping and > routing. I am looking for advice on cobling together open-source > solutions to meet these needs, Any help would be appreciated. > > High-Level Requirements (I can elaborate more if needed): > > Requirement 1: Mapping - Being able to draw a map(a road map) while > starting from a address, city, state, zip. Dumping out via jpeg or better > yet png would be best. > > Requirement 2: Routing - Getting directions(turn-by-turn driving > direction) between two points. > > * Obviously speed would be a factor, but more so, quality of data is > paramount. are you in the US ? if answer is yes, cobble something from the tiger database if answer is no... hmmm, time to go check out navteq and / or teleatlas (unfortunately, navsys and the free maps project is not there yet. you can however contribute, see www.navsys.org ) From mada at gautier.org Tue Jan 18 20:53:52 2005 From: mada at gautier.org (Adam Gautier) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:53:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Freegis-list] Losing GIS solution... In-Reply-To: <41ED6491.3050401@esitcom.org> References: <50011.65.1.35.165.1106076816.squirrel@65.1.35.165> <41ED6491.3050401@esitcom.org> Message-ID: <50140.65.1.35.165.1106078032.squirrel@65.1.35.165> Yes, I am in the US. I have been thinking about the Tiger database. One of my problems is that the data for the tiger database is not in an immediatly usable format(i.e. it still needs to be parsed into a database). Is there a project that has already parsed tiger into something like PostGIS? Are their parsers for the dataformat? > Adam Gautier wrote: >> My company and I have received word that we will be losing our >> webservices >> based GIS provider. We have an application that requires mapping and >> routing. I am looking for advice on cobling together open-source >> solutions to meet these needs, Any help would be appreciated. >> >> High-Level Requirements (I can elaborate more if needed): >> >> Requirement 1: Mapping - Being able to draw a map(a road map) while >> starting from a address, city, state, zip. Dumping out via jpeg or >> better >> yet png would be best. >> >> Requirement 2: Routing - Getting directions(turn-by-turn driving >> direction) between two points. >> >> * Obviously speed would be a factor, but more so, quality of data is >> paramount. > > are you in the US ? > if answer is yes, cobble something from the tiger database > if answer is no... hmmm, time to go check out navteq and / or teleatlas > (unfortunately, navsys and the free maps project is not there yet. you > can however contribute, see www.navsys.org ) > > !DSPAM:41ed665c140821470688634! > From Silke.Reimer at intevation.de Wed Jan 19 09:25:15 2005 From: Silke.Reimer at intevation.de (Silke Reimer) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:25:15 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Losing GIS solution... In-Reply-To: <50140.65.1.35.165.1106078032.squirrel@65.1.35.165> References: <50011.65.1.35.165.1106076816.squirrel@65.1.35.165> <41ED6491.3050401@esitcom.org> <50140.65.1.35.165.1106078032.squirrel@65.1.35.165> Message-ID: <20050119082515.GB18977@intevation.de> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 01:53:52PM -0600, Adam Gautier wrote: > Yes, I am in the US. I have been thinking about the Tiger database. One > of my problems is that the data for the tiger database is not in an > immediatly usable format(i.e. it still needs to be parsed into a > database). Is there a project that has already parsed tiger into > something like PostGIS? Are their parsers for the dataformat? Probably somebody has already converted the Tiger data into another format. Otherwise I would suggest to use gdal/ogr [1] which has among others a driver for Tiger data and PostGIS/Postgresql. > > > Adam Gautier wrote: > >> My company and I have received word that we will be losing our > >> webservices > >> based GIS provider. We have an application that requires mapping and > >> routing. I am looking for advice on cobling together open-source > >> solutions to meet these needs, Any help would be appreciated. > >> > >> High-Level Requirements (I can elaborate more if needed): > >> > >> Requirement 1: Mapping - Being able to draw a map(a road map) while > >> starting from a address, city, state, zip. Dumping out via jpeg or > >> better > >> yet png would be best. The UMN MapServer [2] would be the most popular choice though you could try others like deegree [3] or the GeoServer [4]. > >> > >> Requirement 2: Routing - Getting directions(turn-by-turn driving > >> direction) between two points. The one I know which has even been adapted for webpublishing is bbbike [5]. It is based on data of Berlin but it should be possible to replace the data by your own. Greetings, Silke [1] http://www.gdal.org/ogr [2] http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/index.html [3] http://deegree.sourceforge.net/ [4] http://geoserver.sourceforge.net/ [5] http://bbbike.sourceforge.net -- Intevation GmbH Georgstrasse 4 49074 Osnabr?ck, Germany http://intevation.de http://intevation.de/~silke FreeGIS.org http://freegis.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050119/990f3b65/attachment.bin From bernhard at intevation.de Wed Jan 19 09:34:10 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:34:10 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Routing solution (was: Losing GIS solution...) In-Reply-To: <20050119082515.GB18977@intevation.de> References: <50011.65.1.35.165.1106076816.squirrel@65.1.35.165> <41ED6491.3050401@esitcom.org> <50140.65.1.35.165.1106078032.squirrel@65.1.35.165> <20050119082515.GB18977@intevation.de> Message-ID: <20050119083410.GG8206@intevation.de> The major problem will be data, not software. On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 09:25:15AM +0100, Silke Reimer wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 01:53:52PM -0600, Adam Gautier wrote: > > >> Requirement 2: Routing - Getting directions(turn-by-turn driving > > >> direction) between two points. > > The one I know which has even been adapted for webpublishing is > bbbike [5]. It is based on data of Berlin but it should be possible > to replace the data by your own. > [5] http://bbbike.sourceforge.net The other code base for serious Free Software routing is Hoko. http://hoko.intevation.org/ Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One > > of my problems is that the data for the tiger database is not in an > > immediatly usable format(i.e. it still needs to be parsed into a > > database). Is there a project that has already parsed tiger into > > something like PostGIS? Are their parsers for the dataformat? > > Probably somebody has already converted the Tiger data into another > format. GRASS 6 can read TIGER data: http://grass.itc.it http://grass.itc.it/grass60/manuals/html60_user/v.in.ogr.html -> EXAMPLES -> TIGER files This import command is based on the OGR library. Markus From scalar at c-a.at Thu Jan 20 11:38:45 2005 From: scalar at c-a.at (Scalar) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:38:45 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Freegis-list] Looking for software to display gis street data and orthophotos Message-ID: <3990.62.46.154.29.1106217525.squirrel@62.46.154.29> Hello, I am looking for a software that can display display gis (street, maybe elevation...) data and orthophotos at the same time and can layer gis data on top of the orthophotos. It should be a software that runs on a server and can be viewed with a normal browser. Till now I found a few packages...but I am new to the field and I am cant really tell which one is better. Is there a software where one can dynamically add points to the maps through a browser interface? One more question: How much free GIS data is there? i read something about freegis data on a webpage, but to me it seems very expensive to generate the data so I was not sure. I am sorry if I am asking stupid questions, but I am new to the field and esp. the open source approach interests me very much. Thank you, Philipp --------------------------------- Philipp Wassibauer initiator of the following projects: Causal Agency (www.c-a.at) Schmiede Hallein (www.schmiede.c-a.at) TheFutureKitchen(www.TheFutureKitchen.net) From bernhard at intevation.de Thu Jan 20 14:44:01 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:44:01 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Looking for software to display gis street data and orthophotos In-Reply-To: <3990.62.46.154.29.1106217525.squirrel@62.46.154.29> References: <3990.62.46.154.29.1106217525.squirrel@62.46.154.29> Message-ID: <20050120134401.GD1518@intevation.de> On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 11:38:45AM +0100, Scalar wrote: > I am looking for a software that can display display gis (street, maybe > elevation...) data and orthophotos at the same time and can layer gis data > on top of the orthophotos. It should be a software that runs on a server > and can be viewed with a normal browser. The conservative choice of Free Software for this is mapserver. It can display raster and vector on top. > Is there a software where one can dynamically add points to the maps > through a browser interface? There are several ways to add points with mapserver. One example is demoed here: http://demo.intevation.de/webgis/anwendungen/digit/html > One more question: How much free GIS data is there? i read something about > freegis data on a webpage, but to me it seems very expensive to generate > the data so I was not sure. There is a lot of data in total, but in practice this will always be an issue. Because many interesting application need street level vector data with nice attributes. For the US there is the Tiger set from Census, not perfect, but a very nice start. In Germany there is only free data for two bigger cities: Berlin (part of bbbike) and Osnabr?ck (http://frida.intevation.org/). 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What I have by now is an ArcGIS geodatabase containing the network, complete with nodes and junctions. The tools should be able to make use of the data, be it directly or after some exporting/importing. This would lead to the next question: What would be the best practice to migrate data from ArcGIS personal database to PostGIS database? Thank you very much in advance, Rafael ---------------------------------- Rafael Koch Matthias-Claudius-Str. 5 53757 Sankt Augustin Germany +49 2241 8460740 +49 170 3201550 rafael.koch at gmx.net rafael at zarorien.de ---------------------------------- From jmckenna at dmsolutions.ca Thu Jan 20 15:53:27 2005 From: jmckenna at dmsolutions.ca (Jeff McKenna) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:53:27 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Losing GIS solution... In-Reply-To: <50011.65.1.35.165.1106076816.squirrel@65.1.35.165> References: <50011.65.1.35.165.1106076816.squirrel@65.1.35.165> Message-ID: <41EFC5E7.9020904@dmsolutions.ca> As Silke mentioned, MapServer can display Tiger files directly through the OGR library (http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/doc44/ogr-howto.html#supported). jeff Adam Gautier wrote: > My company and I have received word that we will be losing our webservices > based GIS provider. We have an application that requires mapping and > routing. I am looking for advice on cobling together open-source > solutions to meet these needs, Any help would be appreciated. > > High-Level Requirements (I can elaborate more if needed): > > Requirement 1: Mapping - Being able to draw a map(a road map) while > starting from a address, city, state, zip. Dumping out via jpeg or better > yet png would be best. > > Requirement 2: Routing - Getting directions(turn-by-turn driving > direction) between two points. > > * Obviously speed would be a factor, but more so, quality of data is > paramount. > > TIA, > > Adam Gautier > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > -- Jeff McKenna DM Solutions Group Inc. http://www.dmsolutions.ca From bernhard at intevation.de Thu Jan 20 16:11:53 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:11:53 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Free tools for modelling and assessment of hydrologic networks In-Reply-To: <200501201550.17415.rafael.koch@gmx.net> References: <3990.62.46.154.29.1106217525.squirrel@62.46.154.29> <20050120134401.GD1518@intevation.de> <200501201550.17415.rafael.koch@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20050120151153.GI1518@intevation.de> [Was there a reason to follow up on this other thread?] On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 03:50:17PM +0100, Rafael Koch wrote: > I would like to know if there are free tools suitable to model and assess > hydrologic networks (topology, source analysis, query by attribute, flow > simulation, etc.). Data storage should preferably be OGC-compliant or > possibly made so by exporting to some geodatabase. Any ideas? Try GRASS which has quite a few possibilities for hydrologic modelling. E.g. see: http://grass.itc.it/intro/modelintegration.html http://www.geog.ubc.ca/courses/klink/gis.notes/hy_mod.html Free Software can often be used to build much more specific modelling and decision support systems. For an example I participated see GREATER: http://great-er.intevation.org/screenshots.html This uses Thuban as frontend. > What I have by now is an ArcGIS geodatabase containing the network, complete > with nodes and junctions. The tools should be able to make use of the data, > be it directly or after some exporting/importing. > > This would lead to the next question: What would be the best practice to > migrate data from ArcGIS personal database to PostGIS database? Depends on the data. 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There are a number of implementations out there, both commercial and free/open source (see http://www.opengeospatial.org/resources/?page=products). A WFS (Web Feature Service) is used to serve up your vector layers. A WMS (Web Map Service) has the ability to serve up your raster layers and overlay the vector layers. Both are OGC standards. A very strong/mature OSS solution is MapServer (http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/). It runs as a CGI script. A newer player is GeoServer (http://geoserver.sourceforge.net). It is implemented in Java. It currently doesn't support raster output (orthos, etc), but is a nice solution if you are comfortable developing in Java. A good directory of free GIS applications is http://www.freegis.org/. As far as free GIS data goes, you are on a bit of a scavenger hunt there. US vector data is reasonably easy to get. Try: US Census -- http://www.census.gov/geo/www/index.html USGS -- http://nationalatlas.gov/atlasftp.html For state/local data, U of Arkansas has compiled a nice list: http://libinfo.uark.edu/GIS/us.asp For raster data (again, US only), try http://terraserver.microsoft.com/. A good google term for finding imagery is DOQ (Digital Ortho Quadrangle). It is a standard USGS imagery product that is usually free to download (although there are many commercial vendors who will sell it to you as well...) I haven't found great sources of international/non-US data, especially imagery. You can find some basic int'l boundary files at http://www.fao.org/geonetwork/srv/en/main.search. At the risk of sounding like a shameless plug, I am working on a book entitled Pragmatic GIS that should be out by midyear. If you can wait until then, it will go into much greater detail and give you hands-on examples of how to work with free/oss GIS applications, the OGC interfaces, and so on. Hope this helps, Scott Davis > Subject: [Freegis-list] Looking for software to display gis street data and orthophotos > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:38:45 +0100 (CET) > To: freegis-list at intevation.de > From: "Scalar" > > Hello, > > I am looking for a software that can display display > gis (street, maybe > elevation...) data and orthophotos at the same time > and can layer gis data > on top of the orthophotos. It should be a software > that runs on a server > and can be viewed with a normal browser. > > Till now I found a few packages...but I am new to > the field and I am cant > really tell which one is better. > > Is there a software where one can dynamically add > points to the maps > through a browser interface? > > One more question: How much free GIS data is there? > i read something about > freegis data on a webpage, but to me it seems very > expensive to generate > the data so I was not sure. > > I am sorry if I am asking stupid questions, but I am > new to the field and > esp. the open source approach interests me very > much. > > Thank you, > > Philipp > --------------------------------- > Philipp Wassibauer > > initiator of the following projects: > Causal Agency (www.c-a.at) > Schmiede Hallein (www.schmiede.c-a.at) > TheFutureKitchen(www.TheFutureKitchen.net) > ===== Scott Davis scottdavis99 at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From warmerdam at pobox.com Wed Jan 26 07:07:20 2005 From: warmerdam at pobox.com (Frank Warmerdam) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:07:20 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] ECW Source SDK Available - Linux Binaries Prepared Message-ID: <41F73398.9080804@pobox.com> Folks, The long awaited release of the ECW SDK from ERMapper has finally arrived, and I have built the code for Linux (with gcc 3.3). The building is a bit tricky, so I thought it might be of interest to some folks to have pre-build binaries for linux. I have put them at: http://gdal.org/dl/ecwsdk-3.1.25Jan05-linux.tar.gz I *think* this should work with gdal 1.2.5. I have also used it with the current GDAL ECW driver code which requires the features of version 3.1. It worked, but I needed to commit a few fixes, so if you want to use the latest stuff make sure you get the nightly snapshot that will be prepared in a few hours or use GDAL straight from CVS. Best regards, -- ---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam at pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent From scalar at c-a.at Thu Jan 27 00:41:58 2005 From: scalar at c-a.at (Scalar) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:41:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Freegis-list] Global GIS Data Providers Message-ID: <3361.62.46.153.249.1106782918.squirrel@62.46.153.249> Hello, Thanks for all the help on my last question. It really helped. I am looking for another piece of information. Does anybody know GIS Companies that have access to worldwide data on Orthophotos and GIS street plans? Thanks, Philipp --------------------------------- Philipp Wassibauer initiator of the following projects: Causal Agency (www.c-a.at) theModified (www.theModified.net) TheFutureKitchen(www.TheFutureKitchen.net) Schmiede Hallein (The Media Project) From ben at vterrain.org Thu Jan 27 06:01:44 2005 From: ben at vterrain.org (Ben Discoe) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:01:44 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Global GIS Data Providers In-Reply-To: <3361.62.46.153.249.1106782918.squirrel@62.46.153.249> Message-ID: <20050127045859.8CD5536CE0@mail.intevation.de> > From: Scalar > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:42 PM > To: freegis-list at intevation.de > > I am looking for another piece of information. Does anybody > know GIS Companies that have access to worldwide data on > Orthophotos and GIS street plans? Certainly, there are dozens of vendors of worldwide orthophotos and thousands of vendors of GIS street plans for different parts of the world. Perhaps you could narrow it down a bit by asking a more specific question about what exactly you need? -Ben From porfidia at apat.it Thu Jan 27 19:14:20 2005 From: porfidia at apat.it (benedetto porfidia) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:14:20 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] ecw binaries for linux Message-ID: <41F92F7C.9040706@apat.it> Frank, do these new binaries have the same limitation in size for file compression, as the windows ones provided by free ermapper compressor? best regards ---Benedetto From fwarmerdam at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 21:44:37 2005 From: fwarmerdam at gmail.com (Frank Warmerdam) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:44:37 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] ecw binaries for linux In-Reply-To: <41F92F7C.9040706@apat.it> References: <41F92F7C.9040706@apat.it> Message-ID: <931f8ea9050127124432508a0e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:14:20 +0100, benedetto porfidia wrote: > Frank, > do these new binaries have the same limitation in size for file > compression, > as the windows ones provided by free ermapper compressor? Benedetto, The ECW SDK provides three licensing options. One is described briefly like this: Use of the ECW SDK with Unlimited Decompressing and Unlimited Compression for applications licensed under a GNU General Public style license ("GPL") is governed by the "ECW SDK PUBLIC USE LICENSE AGREEMENT". So, the short answer is that you have unlimited compression now as well as decompression. However, a review of the detailed "public use license agreement" shows that it still does not qualify as free software under the open source definition. In particular, the license forbids distributing directly modified copies of the source (though you can distribute the raw original, and patches). The license also forbids using the code for implementation of "server" software or to support modified (incompatible) versions of the ECW format. I would add that ER Mapper also holds patents for which they only grant free permission to use as long as they are used to support the ECW format as they have defined it. I for one am still excited about finally having ECW support on linux, but I must confess that this announcement likely didn't belong on this list since it isn't free software in the strict sense of the term. Even in practical terms, I believe the restriction on server software means it would be illegal to use the ECW SDK under the public license with MapServer. I would encourage folks wanting to use the software to read over the license agreement carefully. I also realize I neglected to include the license agreement in the package I posted. I have updated it on my website, now including the license.txt and SRCREADME.TXT the source package came with. Best regards, -- ---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam at pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent From Michel.Garand at frankfurt-oder.de Fri Jan 28 12:15:22 2005 From: Michel.Garand at frankfurt-oder.de (Michel.Garand@frankfurt-oder.de) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:15:22 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] WG: with Microsoft you'll be never lost Message-ID: <4951B8C94306D9118ABF00105A096D7EBE76C4@nt_server_3.frankfurt-oder.de> Read the following and try this out! Best regards, have a nice weekend and don't get lost Michel > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Wolfgang.STEINBORN at cec.eu.int [SMTP:Wolfgang.STEINBORN at cec.eu.int] > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 27. Januar 2005 15:55 > An: ral at alum.mit.edu; egip at jrc.it > Betreff: RE: with Microsoft you'll be never lost > > Take Catania instead of Trondheim and you won't get the most direct route, > I'm afraid!? > > Wolfgang > > ___________________ > Dr. Wolfgang Steinborn > DG-ENTR-H3 (GMES) > Europ?ische Kommission > 21, rue du Champ de Mars, 4/146 > B-1049 Br?ssel > Email: wolfgang.steinborn at cec.eu.int > Tel. +32-2-29-98460 > Secretary: Virginie Peclers +32-2-29-67040 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-egip at jrc.it [mailto:owner-egip at jrc.it] On Behalf Of Roger > Longhorn > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:11 PM > To: EGIP List > Subject: Fwd: with Microsoft you'll be never lost > > As we are approaching the end of the week and the tradition of the "Friday > > joke" is still alive and well here in the UK, I could not resist sharing > with the list this cryptic link from Dr. Max Craglia. > > *Please* try his suggestion - you won't believe it! > > I think a number of European ferry companies have bought into Microsoft's > Mappoint software. (Try to link to see what this means). > > sorry for any cross-postings > > Roger > ral at alum.mit.edu > > >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:54:42 +0000 > >From: Max Craglia > >Subject: Fwd: FW: [Fwd: with Microsoft you'll be never lost] > > > >Fantastic - really try this out! > > > >http://mappoint.msn.com/%28gnsx0j55wniapk55brwxzl45%29/DirectionsFind.asp > x > > > >for START choose Norway and city Haugesund > >for END choose Norway and city Trondheim > > > >click "Get Directions" ... > > > >----- End forwarded message ----- > > Roger A. Longhorn > Director, Info-Dynamics Research Associates Ltd > EC Projects Office > 1A Potters Cross, Wootton > Bedfordshire MK43 9JG, U.K. > Computer voicemail & Fax +44 (0)870 134 6492 > E-mail: ral at alum.mit.edu > Mobile +44 (0)7879 875288 > > EGIP Archive: http://www.ec-gis.org/egip/ > EGIP Archive: http://www.ec-gis.org/egip/ From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Fri Jan 28 15:41:01 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:41:01 -0600 Subject: [Freegis-list] CSRS datum Message-ID: <41FA4EFD.8040304@saskforestcentre.ca> I want information from you- the list. Please can you provide me a pointer to an appropriate place to investigate. I have some data from geobase.ca in NAD83 datum with the CSRS parameters. I know that ArcGIS understands it. I'm not using ArcGIS, however. I want to know if anyone knows where to get the appropriate parameters to re-project this data. I'm using proj.4 in GRASS 5.7, but I am open to alternate suggestions for software choices. Thanks, Angus Carr. From fwarmerdam at gmail.com Fri Jan 28 15:53:05 2005 From: fwarmerdam at gmail.com (Frank Warmerdam) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:53:05 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] CSRS datum In-Reply-To: <41FA4EFD.8040304@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <41FA4EFD.8040304@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <931f8ea9050128065371cffa44@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:41:01 -0600, Angus Carr wrote: > I want information from you- the list. Please can you provide me a > pointer to an appropriate place to investigate. > > I have some data from geobase.ca in NAD83 datum with the CSRS > parameters. I know that ArcGIS understands it. I'm not using ArcGIS, > however. I want to know if anyone knows where to get the appropriate > parameters to re-project this data. Angus, Can you point me to an example of these CSRS numbers? I read a bit of the info on CSRS from the NRCan web site but I didn't see anything that helped me. > I'm using proj.4 in GRASS 5.7, but I am open to alternate suggestions > for software choices. I am keen to get PROJ.4 working well in a Canadian context. Note that PROJ.4 (and GRASS by extension) can use the NTv2 NAD27/83 grid shift files. Best regards, -- ---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam at pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent From bernhard at intevation.de Fri Jan 28 17:58:28 2005 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:58:28 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] ecw binaries for linux In-Reply-To: <931f8ea9050127124432508a0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <41F92F7C.9040706@apat.it> <931f8ea9050127124432508a0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050128165828.GN4364@intevation.de> Hi Frank, thanks for the interesting writeup! On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 03:44:37PM -0500, Frank Warmerdam wrote: > However, a review of the detailed "public use license agreement" > shows that it still does not qualify as free software under the > open source definition. In particular, the license forbids distributing > directly modified copies of the source (though you can distribute the > raw original, and patches). Raw and patches are just barely making this Free Software, (by the definition of the FSF, which the open source definition shall match by definition. ;)) > The license also forbids using the code > for implementation of "server" software or to support modified > (incompatible) versions of the ECW format. That is worse and renders it non-free in my opinion. > I would add that ER Mapper also holds patents for which they only > grant free permission to use as long as they are used to support > the ECW format as they have defined it. Another huge problem, though it might not make the software non-free in a very strict sense as it restricts free and non-free software alike. > I for one am still excited about finally having ECW support on linux, > but I must confess that this announcement likely didn't belong on this > list since it isn't free software in the strict sense of the term. This discussion makes up for it. In my opinion it is ontopic to discuss detailed licensing and steps in the right direction. And it certainly is a very good step forward to get the source code for ECW support under the most liberal terms ever. Now we only need to get the last bits, too. Of course the software patent problem goes beyond what a single company can solve. > Even in practical terms, I believe the restriction on server software > means it would be illegal to use the ECW SDK under the public > license with MapServer. I would encourage folks wanting to use > the software to read over the license agreement carefully. Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20050128/c2ae342f/attachment.bin From cere at u.washington.edu Mon Jan 31 23:03:05 2005 From: cere at u.washington.edu (Cere Davis) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:03:05 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] tool to find out lat/lon --> UTM Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have sort of a basic GIS question that doesn't appear to be all that obvious to me. I am using the proj4 tools in linux to find at utm X-Y zone value for a given lat-lon value. I have played around with it for a bit and I am suprised to find that proj requires me to input a default easting zero value (such as +lon_0=120w) in order to get meaningful x-y data for my zone. To me this seems like redundant information. If I give my lon_0 value then I allready know what zone I am in basicly so this is not very usefull to me. I suppose I could do some pre math and make some assumptions about the quadrant that my lat/lon value are in to find the lon_0 value before I send arguments to Proj but... Is there any tool that just allows me to type in a lat/lon and returns a x-y and zone value? Thanks, -Cere From MChapman at sanz.com Wed Jan 26 09:05:31 2005 From: MChapman at sanz.com (Chapman, Martin) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:05:31 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] RE: [Gdal-dev] ECW Source SDK Available - Linux Binaries Prepared Message-ID: You are the man. Martin -----Original Message----- From: Frank Warmerdam [mailto:warmerdam at pobox.com] Sent: Tue 1/25/2005 11:07 PM To: FreeGIS; UMN MapServer; gdal-dev Cc: Subject: [Gdal-dev] ECW Source SDK Available - Linux Binaries Prepared Folks, The long awaited release of the ECW SDK from ERMapper has finally arrived, and I have built the code for Linux (with gcc 3.3). The building is a bit tricky, so I thought it might be of interest to some folks to have pre-build binaries for linux. I have put them at: http://gdal.org/dl/ecwsdk-3.1.25Jan05-linux.tar.gz I *think* this should work with gdal 1.2.5. I have also used it with the current GDAL ECW driver code which requires the features of version 3.1. It worked, but I needed to commit a few fixes, so if you want to use the latest stuff make sure you get the nightly snapshot that will be prepared in a few hours or use GDAL straight from CVS. 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