From bthoen at gisnet.com Fri Dec 2 22:18:26 2005 From: bthoen at gisnet.com (Bill Thoen) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:18:26 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] DeliveryPlanning software Message-ID: <4390BA22.3020607@gisnet.com> Hi Listers! Does anyone know if there exists a ready-to-run, city-oriented delivery route-planning software package? A friend of mine needs something which can help them plan patients' trips to medical offices AND provide some sort of data synchronization between said routing software and our database. Basically, the problem is one of assigning volunteer drivers to pick up people for scheduled medical visits, then taking them home when the visits are done. I believe the first half of each trip can be scheduled in advance (days beforehand), but the return trip timing would depend on the finish time for the patient (which is variable depending on doctor workload and patient diagnosis). It would be nice to find something written in Java which they could plug into their existing program, but that's not absolutely required. So the second choice is to use a program running on a separate system, with data exchange capabilities. That separate system would most probably be running Windows (assuming they'd use an existing computer), but it wouldn't be hard for me to set up a Linux box for them, either, so the solution need not be limited to either platform. As far as I know, they don't currently have any general-purpose GIS software in house, so we're looking for something stand-alone. Any help on who makes something like that would be appreciated. - Bill Thoen From dmccoy at cityofsacramento.org Sat Dec 3 01:30:27 2005 From: dmccoy at cityofsacramento.org (Dan McCoy) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:30:27 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] Vertical Datum Transformation Message-ID: Does anyone know of any tools for transforming NAVD29 elevations to NAVD88? I've only been able to find VERTCON, but I don't think it would qualify as Free / Open Source: "...This program is property of the Government of the United States of America. Therefore, the recipient further agrees not to assert proprietary rights therein and not to represent this program to anyone as being other than a Government program" http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/PC_PROD/VERTCON/ Thanks, Dan From emo.da at jumpy.it Sun Dec 4 12:33:10 2005 From: emo.da at jumpy.it (Davide) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:33:10 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] .3cd and .3tx files info needed Message-ID: <001001c5f8c6$81895000$db802c97@naive> Hi! I talked about this problem with Ben Discoe of http://vterrain.org/ and he very kindly added .3tx support in his program VTBuilder. So, now VTBuilder can import, read and write .3tx files, and export other files (like SRTM ones) to the 3tx format. I think this is great and will solve lots of problems for INM users around the world! Davide -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20051204/a10414e0/attachment.html From scratchcomputing at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 19:45:29 2005 From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:45:29 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] SVG to a gis format converter? In-Reply-To: <49456d740511161510o3c43eaf8u@mail.gmail.com> References: <49456d740511161510o3c43eaf8u@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200512041045.29994.ewilhelm@cpan.org> # from Napo # on Wednesday 16 November 2005 03:10 pm: >Where i can find a software to convert a SVG file into a GIS format? >For example >svg2gml or svg2shp This would be a feasible goal for the uber-converter. The latest work is in the svg space, and some work has already been done to connect ogr to dxf and other cad formats. The bridge between cad and "designer graphics" like svg, ps, pdf, xar, ai is not started yet, but if anyone is interested in hacking on it, please let me know. http://scratchcomputing.com/projects/uber-converter/ --Eric -- "Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse." --Murphy's Corollary --------------------------------------------------- http://scratchcomputing.com --------------------------------------------------- From r_nourbakhsh at yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 08:23:52 2005 From: r_nourbakhsh at yahoo.com (Rita Nourbakhsh) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:23:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Freegis-list] connection arcgis and sql server with oledb Message-ID: <20051204072352.92960.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hi i want to connect sql server without arcsde and geo database i have a relational database in sql server but when i connect with oledb in arccatalog and define relate on layaer in arcmap when i see a tables sql in arccatalog but when i identify on layer i just see the first table in sql i cant see related table with that table can you help me thanks best regard rita nourbakhsh --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20051203/a36ecb2d/attachment.html From scratchcomputing at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 18:55:07 2005 From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:55:07 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] SVG to a gis format converter? In-Reply-To: <49456d740511161510o3c43eaf8u@mail.gmail.com> References: <49456d740511161510o3c43eaf8u@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200512040955.07540.ewilhelm@cpan.org> # from Napo # on Wednesday 16 November 2005 03:10 pm: >Where i can find a software to convert a SVG file into a GIS format? >For example >svg2gml or svg2shp This would be a feasible goal for the uber-converter. The latest work is in the svg space, and some work has already been done to connect ogr to dxf and other cad formats. The bridge between cad and "designer graphics" like svg, ps, pdf, xar, ai is not started yet, but if anyone is interested in hacking on it, please let me know. http://scratchcomputing.com/projects/uber-converter/ --Eric -- "Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse." --Murphy's Corollary --------------------------------------------------- http://scratchcomputing.com --------------------------------------------------- From guillaume.criloux at laposte.net Mon Dec 5 11:28:00 2005 From: guillaume.criloux at laposte.net (guillaume.criloux) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:28:00 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] connection arcgis and sql server with oledb Message-ID: > hi > > i want to connect sql server without arcsde and geo database > i have a relational database in sql server but when i connect with oledb in arccatalog and define relate on layaer in arcmap when i see a tables sql in arccatalog but when i identify on layer i just see the first table in sql i cant see > related table with that table This is not exactly related to Free GIS software, to say the least, and also I'm not sure I understood exactly what's your problem. Anyway, if your problem lies on the fact that you don't see in ArcCatalog a join or relate that you made in ArcMap, then you don't have any problem. Joins and relates are made as needed when a map is generated, but are not stored in the database. They both are stored in the MXD file. So you'll never see them in ArcCatalog. > can you help me I hope it does. > rita nourbakhsh Guillaume Criloux Acc?dez au courrier ?lectronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; Jusqu'au 25 d?cembre, participez au grand jeu du Calendrier de l'Avent et ?gagnez tous les jours de nombreux lots, + de 300 cadeaux en jeu ! From cavallini at faunalia.it Mon Dec 5 11:47:12 2005 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:47:12 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] DeliveryPlanning software In-Reply-To: <4390BA22.3020607@gisnet.com> References: <4390BA22.3020607@gisnet.com> Message-ID: <200512051147.13375.cavallini@faunalia.it> Nothing that I know of. We're working on a solution based on postgresql+pg_djiekstra from camptocamp, but I would not describe it as a ready-to-run application. All the best. pc At 22:18, venerd? 02 dicembre 2005, Bill Thoen has probably written: > Hi Listers! > > Does anyone know if there exists a ready-to-run, city-oriented delivery > route-planning software package? A friend of mine needs something which > can help them plan patients' trips to medical offices AND provide some > sort of data synchronization between said routing software and our > database. Basically, the problem is one of assigning volunteer drivers > to pick up people for scheduled medical visits, then taking them home > when the visits are done. I believe the first half of each trip can be > scheduled in advance (days beforehand), but the return trip timing would > depend on the finish time for the patient (which is variable depending > on doctor workload and patient diagnosis). > > It would be nice to find something written in Java which they could plug > into their existing program, but that's not absolutely required. > > So the second choice is to use a program running on a separate system, > with data exchange capabilities. That separate system would most > probably be running Windows (assuming they'd use an existing computer), > but it wouldn't be hard for me to set up a Linux box for them, either, > so the solution need not be limited to either platform. As far as I > know, they don't currently have any general-purpose GIS software in > house, so we're looking for something stand-alone. > > Any help on who makes something like that would be appreciated. > > - Bill Thoen > > > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list -- Paolo Cavallini email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From arnulf.christl at ccgis.de Wed Dec 7 08:30:26 2005 From: arnulf.christl at ccgis.de (Arnulf Christl) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:30:26 +0100 Subject: [Mapbender-users] Re: [pgsql-www] [Freegis-list] Re: [GENERAL] Map of Postgresql Users (OT) In-Reply-To: <200512070447.jB74lPf22058@candle.pha.pa.us> References: <200512070447.jB74lPf22058@candle.pha.pa.us> Message-ID: <43968F92.2070103@ccgis.de> Bruce Momjian wrote: > Where are we on this? Can we get it added to our web site? Can we have > usernames added to the map? Hi, yes, both can be done. But our server and connectivity are sort of slow, so I was talking to some people whether they could host the services. This will take a few more days. Anybody interested in operating a spatial data infrastructure on stable servers (preferrably FreeBSD or some Linux) with good connectivity feel free to contact us. Additionally we got lost in a few technical discussions about whether to implement the full scale service oriented standardized I-can-add-myself version using PostgreSQL with PostGIS (which I would really like to see as it promotes using PG as spatial data backend and also gives us GIS guys a chance to show off cool technology). Claire favored an easy-to-use google-maps approach which would mean less effort getting to run (they have it all up and running) but less compatibility and unsolved copyright issues regarding the background maps. Give us a few more days, by the weekend I will post a link so that people can have a look at it. The link will ship with a list of which software is being used and how it is configured. Ideally someone "near" the PostgreSQL homepage could operate the service (we GIS folks never stop considering spatial proximity). What has to be done anyway is collect the coordinates of the users. It would be nice to not start off with a blank map. We can provide some 20 users in Germany (most of them spatial). Either the name of a city or the decimal degree coordinates of the position will do. Best, Arnulf. > Arnulf Christl wrote: > >>Claire McLister wrote: >> >>>Good point. This might actually be a problem. Google Maps API requires >>>each server that is serving the map to be registered with Google, and >>>send the corresponding key when making the Javascript request. >>> >>>Unless the mirrors can each send their own keys, this will not work. >>> >>>Claire >> >>Hi, more cross posting... >> >>Sounds like this task should be solved using WMS and WFS services. >>Google is cool but in order to foster both Open Source and standards >>(OGC) we would suggest to use e.g. MapServer as WMS to produce the maps >>and GeoServer as WFS to manage geomtries. Those OWS services could then >>be included in any OWS client, web interface, etc. Everything is there >>and ready to go, the effort to get it to run should be minimal. >> >>Our clients usually operate PostgreSQL databases with several million >>geometries - those 500 to 600 markers could be hosted on any >>antediluvian box and still be fast. You will know what to about >>mirroring, we would probably suggest to implement P2P - read Ward >>Cunninghams ideas int he keynote at the Wikimania conference this summer... >> >>We have done the user mmapping Mapbender users with tooltips, direct >>link to the website, etc. You can have a look at it on the project >>homepage http://www.mapbender.org >>Its done Wiki-style so that users can enter their own position (use the >>blue flag) or remove or edit any position (use the i-button). No user >>accounts yet but security and authentication is in place and have just >>not yet been necessary (still waiting for spatial spam...) >> >>We will spread word about spatial data management using >>PostgreSQL/PostGIS with MapServer, GeoServer etc. at the >>http://www.opendbcon.net (database fundamentals) on Nov. 8. and 9. in >>Frankfurt/Main, Germany. >> >>This idea is on short notice but i would be really very excited if i >>could show the map there! We suggest the following alterantive actions: >> >>- It should be easy to add a geometry_column to the existing PostgreSQL >>database which alredy has the positions. Add a GeoServer WFS to access >>the geomtry and a MapServer for WMS display. >>- Alternatively send Paolo or us or both the geo-positions and we add >>them to our existing OWS infrastructure (that will takt a few hours of >>work only). >> >>Beause there is not so much time until the conference this would just be >>be a prototype which should in the long run move to the PostgreSQL or >>PostGIS homepage or Wiki or both. Yet another idea: Mediawiki (the >>Wikipedia software) is also right now introducing geometries to the Wiki >>database - obviously also using PostgreSQL/PostGIS. This would be >>another cool multiplier.. and there we also meet with Google again. >> >>Best, Arnulf. >> >> >> >>>On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:02 PM, Robert Treat wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Wednesday 26 October 2005 18:24, Claire McLister wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Oct 26, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Brent Wood wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>There has recently been a thread on the Postgres user list about a web >>>>>>based postgres user/developer map. Claire has built a Google map based >>>>>>system, getting locations from IP addresses. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Just so people know, this map can be found at: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.zeesource.net/maps/map.do?group=456 >>>>> >>>> >>>>I'm going to loop in a few more people here :-), namely the pg web >>>>team who >>>>will probably be able to give pointers on site integration. One thing >>>>to keep >>>>in mind is that the postgresql website is statically mirrored onto a >>>>number >>>>of different servers, so any solution we come up with will ideally allow >>>>itself to that. I believe a google maps system can do this (we can >>>>mirror the >>>>javascript code and the location/data file on all mirrors and the >>>>google map >>>>will work with it as is), which is why I originally went with that >>>>type of >>>>solution. >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Robert Treat >>>>Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Freegis-list mailing list >>>Freegis-list at intevation.de >>>https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list >> >> >>---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >>TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to >> choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not >> match >> > > From cavallini at faunalia.it Wed Dec 7 08:38:23 2005 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:38:23 +0100 Subject: [Mapbender-users] Re: [pgsql-www] [Freegis-list] Re: [GENERAL] Map of Postgresql Users (OT) In-Reply-To: <43968F92.2070103@ccgis.de> References: <200512070447.jB74lPf22058@candle.pha.pa.us> <43968F92.2070103@ccgis.de> Message-ID: <200512070838.25766.cavallini@faunalia.it> please let us know if we can be useful. what we can bring in is a nice yet simple interface by Armin Burger we're helping to develop. See e.g.: http://www.fauna.regione.toscana.it/pmapper/ All the best. pc At 08:30, mercoled? 07 dicembre 2005, Arnulf Christl has probably written: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Where are we on this? Can we get it added to our web site? Can we have > > usernames added to the map? > ... -- Paolo Cavallini email+jabber: cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 From gould at lsi.uji.es Tue Dec 6 10:23:05 2005 From: gould at lsi.uji.es (michael gould) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:23:05 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] RV: Paradigma changes in GI&SDI ->>Re: Vespucci summer institute 2006 Message-ID: <000701c5fa46$aa79a240$6502a8c0@acerc49cfd35b8> This list is not a stranger to paradigm changes. See discussion below.. Cheers, ------- Michael Gould Dept. Information Systems (LSI) Universitat Jaume I, 12071 Castell?n, Spain Email: gould (at) lsi.uji.es Email2: mgould (at) opengeospatial.org www.geoinfo.uji.es www.mgould.com -----Mensaje original----- De: michael gould [mailto:gould at lsi.uji.es] Enviado el: martes, 06 de diciembre de 2005 10:22 Para: 'IGN-Vorstand at GMX.de'; 'EGIP'; 'gislist at lists.geocomm.com' CC: 'NNL-Service'; 'OpenDOOR-CrossBorderService' Asunto: RE: Paradigma changes in GI&SDI ->>Re: Vespucci summer institute 2006 Frank, Yola, all: Paradigm changes do seem to be necessary and positive, in order to shake loose old habits (status quo). See for example the (positive) impact of the ?disruptive? Google Earth application, in causing people to rethink how simple access and visualization can/should be provided. I?ll bet my house that Digital Globe and the other data providers are selling more data than ever, thanks to DE?s awakening of the popular market. ( while at the same time it will not eat into the professional GIS market) Frank is right on track with the observation that service-centricity should/will replace data-centricity. Google has shown us time after time: create intelligent services capable of consuming EXISTING data, rather than forcing the rest of the world to modify and recreate their data in a more intelligent form. Are we learning? Do we even recognize the paradigm shift? On the other hand we need to be careful NOT to scare public sector entities into thinking that they should not implement SDI ver 1.0 because certainly the next version will be better. (Same goes for semantic web.) Waiting for paradigm shifts is not very proactive. Jumping in, and then recognizing and adapting to shifts, is the way to go. ?Follow the cheese!? The Vespucci summer institutes focus mostly on the medium-term (2-5 years) research agenda aimed at paradigm changes. This includes studying the socio-economic effects of SDI. Building it (because we can) is not enough; we need also to measure if doing so makes any pragmatic difference. We already have preliminary information showing that it is worthwhile, but much more is needed. All that we learn on the socio-econ side helps to feedback into the next generation otherwise there?ll be another status quo in 10 years: we all have SDIs, now what? Vespucci group discussions bring out hidden assumptions and prejudices On the short-term side there are many ?quick win? lessons to be given for those contemplating ver 1.0. Therefore Vespucci is also creating mini-seminars for local government audiences. The first is scheduled for Spring 2006. We (SDI community) are certainly in a position to simultaneously build SDI ver 1.0 AND get started designing SDI ver 2.0. A key part of 2.0 is the migration path, to make the transition as easy as possible, via simplicity and common sense. If properly executed there should be zero need for training as far as ?how to do it? (how much training was necessary to get millions of users up and running on Google, or Google Earth?) and that frees up resources to teach people WHY they should do it, and how to leverage the SDI for better decision-making. Cheers, ------- Michael Gould Dept. Information Systems (LSI) Universitat Jaume I, 12071 Castell?n, Spain Email: gould (at) lsi.uji.es Email2: mgould (at) opengeospatial.org www.geoinfo.uji.es www.mgould.com -----Mensaje original----- De: Doz.Dr.Frank.HOFFMANN at t-online.de [mailto:Doz.Dr.Frank.HOFFMANN at t-online.de] Enviado el: lunes, 05 de diciembre de 2005 22:36 Para: EGIP CC: NNL-Service; OpenDOOR-CrossBorderService Asunto: IGN: Paradigma changes in GI&SDI ->>Re: Vespucci summer institute 2006 Yola Georgiadou wrote: Thanks for this announcement, Mike! Quote: "A particular feature of this year's module will be a focus on the socio-economic impacts of SDIs through case-studies and a review of methodological approaches. A focus on nascent municipal-level SDIs is also planned. There is a huge amount to be learned through brainstorming within this unique intersection of science and technology! Is adoption of standards enough? Are paradigm changes necessary? Where is the SDI research agenda heading?" ########################### yes, it is necessary as far the german (private) GI industry last week made an appeal to administrations and governments to change principally the geopolicy, in order to be able to "earn" the prognosed 2 billion euro revenues for german economic growth envisioned for year 2008... of course, this needs not only an evolution, but a "revolution" in the speed of paradigma changes... in my opinion the traditional "data centric" SDI focus needs to be changed and be focused on service policies, especially at the local + regional level we are just dealing with its "status_quo" across EU borders from bottom up... ! Read more on [ www.NATURNET.org ]... regards, fh / 22:30 ####################### It is a good idea to consider a review of methodological approaches and the need for paradigm change in SDI research in the next edition of Vespucci. Please, keep us posted. Regards Yola _____ From: owner-egip at jrc.it [mailto:owner-egip at jrc.it] On Behalf Of michael gould Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 4:35 PM To: egip at jrc.it Subject: Vespucci summer institute 2006 It is a pleasure to announce the 4th annual Vespucci international Summer Institute on GI Science 26-30 June 2006. Modeling and Spatial Simulation 03-07 July 2006. Spatial Data Infrastructures: research challenges and methods. Fiesole (Tuscany) Italy The website has just gone live, with further details on both weeks? programmes coming soon. www.vespucci.org cheers, ------- Michael Gould Dept. 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QUELLE: Sachsen - Wirtschaft und Umwelt [ http://www.sachsen.de/de/wu/umwelt/index.html ] ***************************************************************** [http://directory.eoportal.org/info_HOFFMANNFrankDozDr.html] <> [FH] [ GDI-SN.de ] ? 2002 by [FH] <> Owner of DENIC Registered-Domain ] [ GDI-SN.de ] DENIC # ID # 32388011 / 31664485 [ SKYPE: IGN-Vorstand ] Call: FH_IGN [ IGN e.V.: http://www.IGN-SN.de ] [ DE-NAC-GeoPositionCode: J4B32 | RH2XL ] [ Longitude: +13.7347078736682 N | Latitude: +51.019696269676 E ] [ Voice&Fax:+49-1805-060-3351.2453 ]>>WebTransaction>>>EMAIL<< EGIP Archive: [http://www.ec-gis.org/egip]+[http://egip.jrc.it/author.html] ***************************************************************** =>[ http://www.GDI-SN.de ] <==<[ http://www.DEKADE.org]<==<<[ http://inspire.jrc.it ]<===================< Message-ID: <200512070447.jB74lPf22058@candle.pha.pa.us> Where are we on this? Can we get it added to our web site? Can we have usernames added to the map? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arnulf Christl wrote: > Claire McLister wrote: > > Good point. This might actually be a problem. Google Maps API requires > > each server that is serving the map to be registered with Google, and > > send the corresponding key when making the Javascript request. > > > > Unless the mirrors can each send their own keys, this will not work. > > > > Claire > > Hi, more cross posting... > > Sounds like this task should be solved using WMS and WFS services. > Google is cool but in order to foster both Open Source and standards > (OGC) we would suggest to use e.g. MapServer as WMS to produce the maps > and GeoServer as WFS to manage geomtries. Those OWS services could then > be included in any OWS client, web interface, etc. Everything is there > and ready to go, the effort to get it to run should be minimal. > > Our clients usually operate PostgreSQL databases with several million > geometries - those 500 to 600 markers could be hosted on any > antediluvian box and still be fast. You will know what to about > mirroring, we would probably suggest to implement P2P - read Ward > Cunninghams ideas int he keynote at the Wikimania conference this summer... > > We have done the user mmapping Mapbender users with tooltips, direct > link to the website, etc. You can have a look at it on the project > homepage http://www.mapbender.org > Its done Wiki-style so that users can enter their own position (use the > blue flag) or remove or edit any position (use the i-button). No user > accounts yet but security and authentication is in place and have just > not yet been necessary (still waiting for spatial spam...) > > We will spread word about spatial data management using > PostgreSQL/PostGIS with MapServer, GeoServer etc. at the > http://www.opendbcon.net (database fundamentals) on Nov. 8. and 9. in > Frankfurt/Main, Germany. > > This idea is on short notice but i would be really very excited if i > could show the map there! We suggest the following alterantive actions: > > - It should be easy to add a geometry_column to the existing PostgreSQL > database which alredy has the positions. Add a GeoServer WFS to access > the geomtry and a MapServer for WMS display. > - Alternatively send Paolo or us or both the geo-positions and we add > them to our existing OWS infrastructure (that will takt a few hours of > work only). > > Beause there is not so much time until the conference this would just be > be a prototype which should in the long run move to the PostgreSQL or > PostGIS homepage or Wiki or both. Yet another idea: Mediawiki (the > Wikipedia software) is also right now introducing geometries to the Wiki > database - obviously also using PostgreSQL/PostGIS. This would be > another cool multiplier.. and there we also meet with Google again. > > Best, Arnulf. > > > > On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:02 PM, Robert Treat wrote: > > > >> On Wednesday 26 October 2005 18:24, Claire McLister wrote: > >> > >>> On Oct 26, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Brent Wood wrote: > >>> > >>>> There has recently been a thread on the Postgres user list about a web > >>>> based postgres user/developer map. Claire has built a Google map based > >>>> system, getting locations from IP addresses. > >>> > >>> > >>> Just so people know, this map can be found at: > >>> > >>> http://www.zeesource.net/maps/map.do?group=456 > >>> > >> > >> I'm going to loop in a few more people here :-), namely the pg web > >> team who > >> will probably be able to give pointers on site integration. One thing > >> to keep > >> in mind is that the postgresql website is statically mirrored onto a > >> number > >> of different servers, so any solution we come up with will ideally allow > >> itself to that. I believe a google maps system can do this (we can > >> mirror the > >> javascript code and the location/data file on all mirrors and the > >> google map > >> will work with it as is), which is why I originally went with that > >> type of > >> solution. > >> > >> -- > >> Robert Treat > >> Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Freegis-list mailing list > > Freegis-list at intevation.de > > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to > choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not > match > -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman at candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 From xzilla at users.sourceforge.net Wed Dec 7 15:35:59 2005 From: xzilla at users.sourceforge.net (Robert Treat) Date: 07 Dec 2005 09:35:59 -0500 Subject: [Mapbender-users] Re: [pgsql-www] [Freegis-list] Re: [GENERAL] In-Reply-To: <43968F92.2070103@ccgis.de> References: <200512070447.jB74lPf22058@candle.pha.pa.us> <43968F92.2070103@ccgis.de> Message-ID: <1133966169.4545.478.camel@camel> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 02:30, Arnulf Christl wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Where are we on this? Can we get it added to our web site? Can we have > > usernames added to the map? > > Hi, > yes, both can be done. But our server and connectivity are sort of slow, > so I was talking to some people whether they could host the services. > This will take a few more days. Anybody interested in operating a > spatial data infrastructure on stable servers (preferrably FreeBSD or > some Linux) with good connectivity feel free to contact us. > I'm fairly certain we can drum up some server space once we're ready to host this for the postgresql site. For now even slow connectivity is probably fine as it will only be a few people looking at it until we finalize what we really need. > Additionally we got lost in a few technical discussions about whether to > implement the full scale service oriented standardized I-can-add-myself > version using PostgreSQL with PostGIS (which I would really like to see > as it promotes using PG as spatial data backend and also gives us GIS > guys a chance to show off cool technology). > As a side note, we need folks to help out with the elephant database monitoring project. That seems like an ideal project to help show off postgis. http://pgfoundry.org/projects/wilddb/ > Claire favored an easy-to-use google-maps approach which would mean less > effort getting to run (they have it all up and running) but less > compatibility and unsolved copyright issues regarding the background maps. > Hmm...I thought this was all something that could be relatively easy to solve. I think the main problem here was that I needed to test whether the maps mirroring would work in the main site; I believe it would, but this should probably be confirmed, and I haven't had time to get back to it. The other side being that showing of postgis does have a nice political upside that seems worth following up on. > Give us a few more days, by the weekend I will post a link so that > people can have a look at it. The link will ship with a list of which > software is being used and how it is configured. Ideally someone "near" > the PostgreSQL homepage could operate the service (we GIS folks never > stop considering spatial proximity). Yes, the plan would be to integrate it fully into the postgresql web infrastructure. We just need to figure out what that will take. > > What has to be done anyway is collect the coordinates of the users. It > would be nice to not start off with a blank map. We can provide some 20 > users in Germany (most of them spatial). Either the name of a city or > the decimal degree coordinates of the position will do. I see this as sort of a secondary thing, but I already have coordinates for most of the people listed on our developers page, so we can always start with that. I'm not against the idea of plotting other points though; we could have points for support companies, points for mailing list users, do some type of frapper style sign up; but that's secondary. The first step is figuring setting up a system to display the coordinates, then we can add more knobs on how to get the coordinates. > > Best, Arnulf. > > > Arnulf Christl wrote: > > > >>Claire McLister wrote: > >> > >>>Good point. This might actually be a problem. Google Maps API requires > >>>each server that is serving the map to be registered with Google, and > >>>send the corresponding key when making the Javascript request. > >>> > >>>Unless the mirrors can each send their own keys, this will not work. > >>> > >>>Claire > >> > >>Hi, more cross posting... > >> > >>Sounds like this task should be solved using WMS and WFS services. > >>Google is cool but in order to foster both Open Source and standards > >>(OGC) we would suggest to use e.g. MapServer as WMS to produce the maps > >>and GeoServer as WFS to manage geomtries. Those OWS services could then > >>be included in any OWS client, web interface, etc. Everything is there > >>and ready to go, the effort to get it to run should be minimal. > >> > >>Our clients usually operate PostgreSQL databases with several million > >>geometries - those 500 to 600 markers could be hosted on any > >>antediluvian box and still be fast. You will know what to about > >>mirroring, we would probably suggest to implement P2P - read Ward > >>Cunninghams ideas int he keynote at the Wikimania conference this summer... > >> > >>We have done the user mmapping Mapbender users with tooltips, direct > >>link to the website, etc. You can have a look at it on the project > >>homepage http://www.mapbender.org > >>Its done Wiki-style so that users can enter their own position (use the > >>blue flag) or remove or edit any position (use the i-button). No user > >>accounts yet but security and authentication is in place and have just > >>not yet been necessary (still waiting for spatial spam...) > >> > >>We will spread word about spatial data management using > >>PostgreSQL/PostGIS with MapServer, GeoServer etc. at the > >>http://www.opendbcon.net (database fundamentals) on Nov. 8. and 9. in > >>Frankfurt/Main, Germany. > >> > >>This idea is on short notice but i would be really very excited if i > >>could show the map there! We suggest the following alterantive actions: > >> > >>- It should be easy to add a geometry_column to the existing PostgreSQL > >>database which alredy has the positions. Add a GeoServer WFS to access > >>the geomtry and a MapServer for WMS display. > >>- Alternatively send Paolo or us or both the geo-positions and we add > >>them to our existing OWS infrastructure (that will takt a few hours of > >>work only). > >> > >>Beause there is not so much time until the conference this would just be > >>be a prototype which should in the long run move to the PostgreSQL or > >>PostGIS homepage or Wiki or both. Yet another idea: Mediawiki (the > >>Wikipedia software) is also right now introducing geometries to the Wiki > >>database - obviously also using PostgreSQL/PostGIS. This would be > >>another cool multiplier.. and there we also meet with Google again. > >> > >>Best, Arnulf. > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:02 PM, Robert Treat wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>On Wednesday 26 October 2005 18:24, Claire McLister wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>On Oct 26, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Brent Wood wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>There has recently been a thread on the Postgres user list about a web > >>>>>>based postgres user/developer map. Claire has built a Google map based > >>>>>>system, getting locations from IP addresses. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Just so people know, this map can be found at: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.zeesource.net/maps/map.do?group=456 > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>I'm going to loop in a few more people here :-), namely the pg web > >>>>team who > >>>>will probably be able to give pointers on site integration. One thing > >>>>to keep > >>>>in mind is that the postgresql website is statically mirrored onto a > >>>>number > >>>>of different servers, so any solution we come up with will ideally allow > >>>>itself to that. I believe a google maps system can do this (we can > >>>>mirror the > >>>>javascript code and the location/data file on all mirrors and the > >>>>google map > >>>>will work with it as is), which is why I originally went with that > >>>>type of > >>>>solution. > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Robert Treat > >>>>Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Freegis-list mailing list > >>>Freegis-list at intevation.de > >>>https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > >> -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL From pgman at candle.pha.pa.us Wed Dec 7 16:03:35 2005 From: pgman at candle.pha.pa.us (Bruce Momjian) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:03:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mapbender-users] Re: [pgsql-www] [Freegis-list] Re: [GENERAL] In-Reply-To: <1133966169.4545.478.camel@camel> Message-ID: <200512071503.jB7F3Z805665@candle.pha.pa.us> I like the idea that people can add themselves, but I also liked the dynamic ability of seeing all email posters from the last few months. Can we have both? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Treat wrote: > On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 02:30, Arnulf Christl wrote: > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Where are we on this? Can we get it added to our web site? Can we have > > > usernames added to the map? > > > > Hi, > > yes, both can be done. But our server and connectivity are sort of slow, > > so I was talking to some people whether they could host the services. > > This will take a few more days. Anybody interested in operating a > > spatial data infrastructure on stable servers (preferrably FreeBSD or > > some Linux) with good connectivity feel free to contact us. > > > > I'm fairly certain we can drum up some server space once we're ready to > host this for the postgresql site. For now even slow connectivity is > probably fine as it will only be a few people looking at it until we > finalize what we really need. > > > Additionally we got lost in a few technical discussions about whether to > > implement the full scale service oriented standardized I-can-add-myself > > version using PostgreSQL with PostGIS (which I would really like to see > > as it promotes using PG as spatial data backend and also gives us GIS > > guys a chance to show off cool technology). > > > > As a side note, we need folks to help out with the elephant database > monitoring project. That seems like an ideal project to help show off > postgis. http://pgfoundry.org/projects/wilddb/ > > > Claire favored an easy-to-use google-maps approach which would mean less > > effort getting to run (they have it all up and running) but less > > compatibility and unsolved copyright issues regarding the background maps. > > > > Hmm...I thought this was all something that could be relatively easy to > solve. I think the main problem here was that I needed to test whether > the maps mirroring would work in the main site; I believe it would, but > this should probably be confirmed, and I haven't had time to get back to > it. The other side being that showing of postgis does have a nice > political upside that seems worth following up on. > > > Give us a few more days, by the weekend I will post a link so that > > people can have a look at it. The link will ship with a list of which > > software is being used and how it is configured. Ideally someone "near" > > the PostgreSQL homepage could operate the service (we GIS folks never > > stop considering spatial proximity). > > Yes, the plan would be to integrate it fully into the postgresql web > infrastructure. We just need to figure out what that will take. > > > > > What has to be done anyway is collect the coordinates of the users. It > > would be nice to not start off with a blank map. We can provide some 20 > > users in Germany (most of them spatial). Either the name of a city or > > the decimal degree coordinates of the position will do. > > I see this as sort of a secondary thing, but I already have coordinates > for most of the people listed on our developers page, so we can always > start with that. I'm not against the idea of plotting other points > though; we could have points for support companies, points for mailing > list users, do some type of frapper style sign up; but that's secondary. > The first step is figuring setting up a system to display the > coordinates, then we can add more knobs on how to get the coordinates. > > > > > Best, Arnulf. > > > > > Arnulf Christl wrote: > > > > > >>Claire McLister wrote: > > >> > > >>>Good point. This might actually be a problem. Google Maps API requires > > >>>each server that is serving the map to be registered with Google, and > > >>>send the corresponding key when making the Javascript request. > > >>> > > >>>Unless the mirrors can each send their own keys, this will not work. > > >>> > > >>>Claire > > >> > > >>Hi, more cross posting... > > >> > > >>Sounds like this task should be solved using WMS and WFS services. > > >>Google is cool but in order to foster both Open Source and standards > > >>(OGC) we would suggest to use e.g. MapServer as WMS to produce the maps > > >>and GeoServer as WFS to manage geomtries. Those OWS services could then > > >>be included in any OWS client, web interface, etc. Everything is there > > >>and ready to go, the effort to get it to run should be minimal. > > >> > > >>Our clients usually operate PostgreSQL databases with several million > > >>geometries - those 500 to 600 markers could be hosted on any > > >>antediluvian box and still be fast. You will know what to about > > >>mirroring, we would probably suggest to implement P2P - read Ward > > >>Cunninghams ideas int he keynote at the Wikimania conference this summer... > > >> > > >>We have done the user mmapping Mapbender users with tooltips, direct > > >>link to the website, etc. You can have a look at it on the project > > >>homepage http://www.mapbender.org > > >>Its done Wiki-style so that users can enter their own position (use the > > >>blue flag) or remove or edit any position (use the i-button). No user > > >>accounts yet but security and authentication is in place and have just > > >>not yet been necessary (still waiting for spatial spam...) > > >> > > >>We will spread word about spatial data management using > > >>PostgreSQL/PostGIS with MapServer, GeoServer etc. at the > > >>http://www.opendbcon.net (database fundamentals) on Nov. 8. and 9. in > > >>Frankfurt/Main, Germany. > > >> > > >>This idea is on short notice but i would be really very excited if i > > >>could show the map there! We suggest the following alterantive actions: > > >> > > >>- It should be easy to add a geometry_column to the existing PostgreSQL > > >>database which alredy has the positions. Add a GeoServer WFS to access > > >>the geomtry and a MapServer for WMS display. > > >>- Alternatively send Paolo or us or both the geo-positions and we add > > >>them to our existing OWS infrastructure (that will takt a few hours of > > >>work only). > > >> > > >>Beause there is not so much time until the conference this would just be > > >>be a prototype which should in the long run move to the PostgreSQL or > > >>PostGIS homepage or Wiki or both. Yet another idea: Mediawiki (the > > >>Wikipedia software) is also right now introducing geometries to the Wiki > > >>database - obviously also using PostgreSQL/PostGIS. This would be > > >>another cool multiplier.. and there we also meet with Google again. > > >> > > >>Best, Arnulf. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:02 PM, Robert Treat wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>On Wednesday 26 October 2005 18:24, Claire McLister wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>On Oct 26, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Brent Wood wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>There has recently been a thread on the Postgres user list about a web > > >>>>>>based postgres user/developer map. Claire has built a Google map based > > >>>>>>system, getting locations from IP addresses. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Just so people know, this map can be found at: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> http://www.zeesource.net/maps/map.do?group=456 > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>I'm going to loop in a few more people here :-), namely the pg web > > >>>>team who > > >>>>will probably be able to give pointers on site integration. One thing > > >>>>to keep > > >>>>in mind is that the postgresql website is statically mirrored onto a > > >>>>number > > >>>>of different servers, so any solution we come up with will ideally allow > > >>>>itself to that. I believe a google maps system can do this (we can > > >>>>mirror the > > >>>>javascript code and the location/data file on all mirrors and the > > >>>>google map > > >>>>will work with it as is), which is why I originally went with that > > >>>>type of > > >>>>solution. > > >>>> > > >>>>-- > > >>>>Robert Treat > > >>>>Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>Freegis-list mailing list > > >>>Freegis-list at intevation.de > > >>>https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > >> > -- > Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo at postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly > -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman at candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 From tino at wildenhain.de Wed Dec 7 16:13:59 2005 From: tino at wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:13:59 +0100 Subject: [Mapbender-users] Re: [pgsql-www] [Freegis-list] Re: [GENERAL] In-Reply-To: <200512071503.jB7F3Z805665@candle.pha.pa.us> References: <200512071503.jB7F3Z805665@candle.pha.pa.us> Message-ID: <4396FC37.4000104@wildenhain.de> Bruce Momjian schrieb: > I like the idea that people can add themselves, but I also liked the > dynamic ability of seeing all email posters from the last few months. > Can we have both? > Well but who has a GPS-Header in his/her MUA? From pgman at candle.pha.pa.us Wed Dec 7 16:27:23 2005 From: pgman at candle.pha.pa.us (Bruce Momjian) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:27:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mapbender-users] Re: [pgsql-www] [Freegis-list] Re: [GENERAL] In-Reply-To: <4396FC37.4000104@wildenhain.de> Message-ID: <200512071527.jB7FRNu10823@candle.pha.pa.us> Tino Wildenhain wrote: > Bruce Momjian schrieb: > > I like the idea that people can add themselves, but I also liked the > > dynamic ability of seeing all email posters from the last few months. > > Can we have both? > > > Well but who has a GPS-Header in his/her MUA? Well, I know someone did such a map by using the coordinates of their IP address. It wasn't perfect, but it was close for lots of people. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman at candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 From xzilla at users.sourceforge.net Wed Dec 7 16:48:29 2005 From: xzilla at users.sourceforge.net (Robert Treat) Date: 07 Dec 2005 10:48:29 -0500 Subject: [Mapbender-users] Re: [pgsql-www] [Freegis-list] Re: [GENERAL] In-Reply-To: <200512071527.jB7FRNu10823@candle.pha.pa.us> References: <200512071527.jB7FRNu10823@candle.pha.pa.us> Message-ID: <1133970519.4545.482.camel@camel> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 10:27, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Tino Wildenhain wrote: > > Bruce Momjian schrieb: > > > I like the idea that people can add themselves, but I also liked the > > > dynamic ability of seeing all email posters from the last few months. > > > Can we have both? > > > > > Well but who has a GPS-Header in his/her MUA? > > Well, I know someone did such a map by using the coordinates of their IP > address. It wasn't perfect, but it was close for lots of people. > Yeah I think that's how we would do it. Could probably also do the same for the website traffic too. Point being that we need to get the infrastructure in place to do the mapping and then we should be able to do several different schemes for getting input. Robert Treat -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL From mclister at zeesource.net Wed Dec 7 17:30:14 2005 From: mclister at zeesource.net (Claire McLister) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:30:14 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: [GENERAL] Map of Postgresql Users (OT) In-Reply-To: <1133966169.4545.478.camel@camel> References: <200512070447.jB74lPf22058@candle.pha.pa.us> <43968F92.2070103@ccgis.de> <1133966169.4545.478.camel@camel> Message-ID: Hi All, The only objection that I've heard to using Google maps is there are some 'copyright issues'. AFAIK, Google Maps come with a fairly liberal license. As long as you use it in a web application that is freely accessible to users, you are within their terms of use. The problem with other approaches was to get wide ranging map images. While it would be nice to showcase some of the other technologies, maybe we can get started on the map and move towards the showcase as the technologies and infrastructure becomes available. To kick things off, I have created a map for Postgresql users at: http://www.zeesource.net/maps/map.do?group=1122 Go ahead and add yourself to the map with the password 'pgsql'. You can add entries to the map either by specifying a location information (address (US), city, state, and country) or just double click on a location. Use the color coding of Green -> Consultant, Red -> User, and Yellow -> developer. With this map, at least we'll start to collect the location information in one place. We do have an 'Export CSV' feature, so we can export this data to other maps and infrastructure as desired. Let me know if you have any questions or comments. Claire On Dec 7, 2005, at 6:35 AM, Robert Treat wrote: > On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 02:30, Arnulf Christl wrote: >> Bruce Momjian wrote: >>> Where are we on this? Can we get it added to our web site? Can >>> we have >>> usernames added to the map? >> >> Hi, >> yes, both can be done. But our server and connectivity are sort of >> slow, >> so I was talking to some people whether they could host the services. >> This will take a few more days. Anybody interested in operating a >> spatial data infrastructure on stable servers (preferrably FreeBSD or >> some Linux) with good connectivity feel free to contact us. >> > > I'm fairly certain we can drum up some server space once we're > ready to > host this for the postgresql site. For now even slow connectivity is > probably fine as it will only be a few people looking at it until we > finalize what we really need. > >> Additionally we got lost in a few technical discussions about >> whether to >> implement the full scale service oriented standardized I-can-add- >> myself >> version using PostgreSQL with PostGIS (which I would really like >> to see >> as it promotes using PG as spatial data backend and also gives us GIS >> guys a chance to show off cool technology). >> > > As a side note, we need folks to help out with the elephant database > monitoring project. That seems like an ideal project to help show off > postgis. http://pgfoundry.org/projects/wilddb/ > >> Claire favored an easy-to-use google-maps approach which would >> mean less >> effort getting to run (they have it all up and running) but less >> compatibility and unsolved copyright issues regarding the >> background maps. >> > > Hmm...I thought this was all something that could be relatively > easy to > solve. I think the main problem here was that I needed to test whether > the maps mirroring would work in the main site; I believe it would, > but > this should probably be confirmed, and I haven't had time to get > back to > it. The other side being that showing of postgis does have a nice > political upside that seems worth following up on. > >> Give us a few more days, by the weekend I will post a link so that >> people can have a look at it. The link will ship with a list of which >> software is being used and how it is configured. Ideally someone >> "near" >> the PostgreSQL homepage could operate the service (we GIS folks never >> stop considering spatial proximity). > > Yes, the plan would be to integrate it fully into the postgresql web > infrastructure. We just need to figure out what that will take. > >> >> What has to be done anyway is collect the coordinates of the >> users. It >> would be nice to not start off with a blank map. We can provide >> some 20 >> users in Germany (most of them spatial). Either the name of a city or >> the decimal degree coordinates of the position will do. > > I see this as sort of a secondary thing, but I already have > coordinates > for most of the people listed on our developers page, so we can always > start with that. I'm not against the idea of plotting other points > though; we could have points for support companies, points for mailing > list users, do some type of frapper style sign up; but that's > secondary. > The first step is figuring setting up a system to display the > coordinates, then we can add more knobs on how to get the coordinates. > >> >> Best, Arnulf. >> >>> Arnulf Christl wrote: >>> >>>> Claire McLister wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good point. This might actually be a problem. Google Maps API >>>>> requires >>>>> each server that is serving the map to be registered with >>>>> Google, and >>>>> send the corresponding key when making the Javascript request. >>>>> >>>>> Unless the mirrors can each send their own keys, this will not >>>>> work. >>>>> >>>>> Claire >>>> >>>> Hi, more cross posting... >>>> >>>> Sounds like this task should be solved using WMS and WFS services. >>>> Google is cool but in order to foster both Open Source and >>>> standards >>>> (OGC) we would suggest to use e.g. MapServer as WMS to produce >>>> the maps >>>> and GeoServer as WFS to manage geomtries. Those OWS services >>>> could then >>>> be included in any OWS client, web interface, etc. Everything is >>>> there >>>> and ready to go, the effort to get it to run should be minimal. >>>> >>>> Our clients usually operate PostgreSQL databases with several >>>> million >>>> geometries - those 500 to 600 markers could be hosted on any >>>> antediluvian box and still be fast. You will know what to about >>>> mirroring, we would probably suggest to implement P2P - read Ward >>>> Cunninghams ideas int he keynote at the Wikimania conference >>>> this summer... >>>> >>>> We have done the user mmapping Mapbender users with tooltips, >>>> direct >>>> link to the website, etc. You can have a look at it on the project >>>> homepage http://www.mapbender.org >>>> Its done Wiki-style so that users can enter their own position >>>> (use the >>>> blue flag) or remove or edit any position (use the i-button). No >>>> user >>>> accounts yet but security and authentication is in place and >>>> have just >>>> not yet been necessary (still waiting for spatial spam...) >>>> >>>> We will spread word about spatial data management using >>>> PostgreSQL/PostGIS with MapServer, GeoServer etc. at the >>>> http://www.opendbcon.net (database fundamentals) on Nov. 8. and >>>> 9. in >>>> Frankfurt/Main, Germany. >>>> >>>> This idea is on short notice but i would be really very excited >>>> if i >>>> could show the map there! We suggest the following alterantive >>>> actions: >>>> >>>> - It should be easy to add a geometry_column to the existing >>>> PostgreSQL >>>> database which alredy has the positions. Add a GeoServer WFS to >>>> access >>>> the geomtry and a MapServer for WMS display. >>>> - Alternatively send Paolo or us or both the geo-positions and >>>> we add >>>> them to our existing OWS infrastructure (that will takt a few >>>> hours of >>>> work only). >>>> >>>> Beause there is not so much time until the conference this would >>>> just be >>>> be a prototype which should in the long run move to the >>>> PostgreSQL or >>>> PostGIS homepage or Wiki or both. Yet another idea: Mediawiki (the >>>> Wikipedia software) is also right now introducing geometries to >>>> the Wiki >>>> database - obviously also using PostgreSQL/PostGIS. This would be >>>> another cool multiplier.. and there we also meet with Google again. >>>> >>>> Best, Arnulf. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:02 PM, Robert Treat wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday 26 October 2005 18:24, Claire McLister wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Brent Wood wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There has recently been a thread on the Postgres user list >>>>>>>> about a web >>>>>>>> based postgres user/developer map. Claire has built a Google >>>>>>>> map based >>>>>>>> system, getting locations from IP addresses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just so people know, this map can be found at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.zeesource.net/maps/map.do?group=456 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm going to loop in a few more people here :-), namely the pg >>>>>> web >>>>>> team who >>>>>> will probably be able to give pointers on site integration. >>>>>> One thing >>>>>> to keep >>>>>> in mind is that the postgresql website is statically mirrored >>>>>> onto a >>>>>> number >>>>>> of different servers, so any solution we come up with will >>>>>> ideally allow >>>>>> itself to that. I believe a google maps system can do this (we >>>>>> can >>>>>> mirror the >>>>>> javascript code and the location/data file on all mirrors and the >>>>>> google map >>>>>> will work with it as is), which is why I originally went with >>>>>> that >>>>>> type of >>>>>> solution. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Robert Treat >>>>>> Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Freegis-list mailing list >>>>> Freegis-list at intevation.de >>>>> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list >>>> > -- > Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL > From mclister at zeesource.net Wed Dec 7 17:37:09 2005 From: mclister at zeesource.net (Claire McLister) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:37:09 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: [GENERAL] Map of Postgresql Users (OT) In-Reply-To: <1133970519.4545.482.camel@camel> References: <200512071527.jB7FRNu10823@candle.pha.pa.us> <1133970519.4545.482.camel@camel> Message-ID: Yes, we do have an 'IP Map' capability to take the originating IP address of the email and try to map its location. While not always accurate, it does give a general sense of where the emails are coming from, so helps in understanding the geographical reach. We mapped emails for messages to the pgsql-general list a while ago. The resulting map is at: http://www.zeesource.net/maps/map.do?group=456 We were waiting for someone from the pgsql-www team to tell us if they want to embed such maps on the Postgtresql.org web site. Claire On Dec 7, 2005, at 7:48 AM, Robert Treat wrote: > On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 10:27, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> Tino Wildenhain wrote: >>> Bruce Momjian schrieb: >>>> I like the idea that people can add themselves, but I also liked >>>> the >>>> dynamic ability of seeing all email posters from the last few >>>> months. >>>> Can we have both? >>>> >>> Well but who has a GPS-Header in his/her MUA? >> >> Well, I know someone did such a map by using the coordinates of >> their IP >> address. It wasn't perfect, but it was close for lots of people. >> > > Yeah I think that's how we would do it. Could probably also do the > same > for the website traffic too. Point being that we need to get the > infrastructure in place to do the mapping and then we should be > able to > do several different schemes for getting input. > > > Robert Treat > -- > Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL > From pgman at candle.pha.pa.us Wed Dec 7 18:20:14 2005 From: pgman at candle.pha.pa.us (Bruce Momjian) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:20:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: [GENERAL] Map of Postgresql Users (OT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200512071720.jB7HKEc00805@candle.pha.pa.us> Claire McLister wrote: > Yes, we do have an 'IP Map' capability to take the originating IP > address of the email and try to map its location. While not always > accurate, it does give a general sense of where the emails are coming > from, so helps in understanding the geographical reach. > > We mapped emails for messages to the pgsql-general list a while ago. > The resulting map is at: > > http://www.zeesource.net/maps/map.do?group=456 > > We were waiting for someone from the pgsql-www team to tell us if > they want to embed such maps on the Postgtresql.org web site. Yes, very nice. Can we have user names added to that, if they appeared in the email? -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman at candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 From mclister at zeesource.net Wed Dec 7 18:28:00 2005 From: mclister at zeesource.net (Claire McLister) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:28:00 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: [pgsql-www] [GENERAL] Map of Postgresql Users (OT) In-Reply-To: <200512071720.jB7HKEc00805@candle.pha.pa.us> References: <200512071720.jB7HKEc00805@candle.pha.pa.us> Message-ID: Thanks. Some people raised privacy issues, so we try to give an indication of the email address without giving out too much more. We also do not store any other information from the email. I think the concern was combining location information with other information. So, we are unable to add names with the entries :-( Claire On Dec 7, 2005, at 9:20 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Claire McLister wrote: >> Yes, we do have an 'IP Map' capability to take the originating IP >> address of the email and try to map its location. While not always >> accurate, it does give a general sense of where the emails are coming >> from, so helps in understanding the geographical reach. >> >> We mapped emails for messages to the pgsql-general list a while ago. >> The resulting map is at: >> >> http://www.zeesource.net/maps/map.do?group=456 >> >> We were waiting for someone from the pgsql-www team to tell us if >> they want to embed such maps on the Postgtresql.org web site. > > Yes, very nice. Can we have user names added to that, if they > appeared > in the email? > > -- > Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us > pgman at candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 > + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road > + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, > Pennsylvania 19073 > > ---------------------------(end of > broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster From pgman at candle.pha.pa.us Wed Dec 7 18:31:11 2005 From: pgman at candle.pha.pa.us (Bruce Momjian) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:31:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: [pgsql-www] [GENERAL] Map of Postgresql Users (OT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200512071731.jB7HVBu03140@candle.pha.pa.us> Claire McLister wrote: > Thanks. > > Some people raised privacy issues, so we try to give an indication of > the email address without giving out too much more. We also do not > store any other information from the email. > > I think the concern was combining location information with other > information. So, we are unable to add names with the entries :-( If they posted to a public list, I don't see any privacy issues with showing their name. We could allow some to opt-out, but we don't even offer that feature with our email archives, so I don't even see the point of that. Finding the location of the IP address is also public, so I don't see the issue here. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman at candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 From mha at sollentuna.net Wed Dec 7 18:38:49 2005 From: mha at sollentuna.net (Magnus Hagander) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:38:49 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] RE: [pgsql-www] [GENERAL] Map of Postgresql Users (OT) Message-ID: <6BCB9D8A16AC4241919521715F4D8BCE6C7D16@algol.sollentuna.se> > > Thanks. > > > > Some people raised privacy issues, so we try to give an > indication of > > the email address without giving out too much more. We also do not > > store any other information from the email. > > > > I think the concern was combining location information with other > > information. So, we are unable to add names with the entries :-( > > If they posted to a public list, I don't see any privacy > issues with showing their name. We could allow some to > opt-out, but we don't even offer that feature with our email > archives, so I don't even see the point of that. Finding the > location of the IP address is also public, so I don't see the > issue here. It is an issue with the law in several countries. The two sets of information may be public, but the combined info is still sensitive. It's law, it doesn't have to make sense :-) I'm not sure if it applies exactly in this case, but it could very well do, and it's just unnecessary to risk stepping on it. It's a different thing if we have people who want to be listed by name register on a webpage. Then they volounteer the combined information, and it's perfectly ok to use it that way (especially since we'd say that's why). //Magnus From mclister at zeesource.net Wed Dec 7 18:41:33 2005 From: mclister at zeesource.net (Claire McLister) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:41:33 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: [pgsql-www] [GENERAL] Map of Postgresql Users (OT) In-Reply-To: <200512071731.jB7HVBu03140@candle.pha.pa.us> References: <200512071731.jB7HVBu03140@candle.pha.pa.us> Message-ID: <5F645FCC-1BA6-4C39-871E-4E5819CD898D@zeesource.net> Technically there is no privacy issue, as all the information is indeed public. We did receive one threat (not from anyone on these email list, but another list) to damage our servers so I think we have to be careful. Allowing a simple opt-out should solve this issue. So, would you like to see another map of postings to pgsql-general? Claire On Dec 7, 2005, at 9:31 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > If they posted to a public list, I don't see any privacy issues with > showing their name. We could allow some to opt-out, but we don't even > offer that feature with our email archives, so I don't even see the > point of that. Finding the location of the IP address is also public, > so I don't see the issue here. From pgman at candle.pha.pa.us Wed Dec 7 18:44:27 2005 From: pgman at candle.pha.pa.us (Bruce Momjian) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:44:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: [pgsql-www] [GENERAL] Map of Postgresql Users (OT) In-Reply-To: <5F645FCC-1BA6-4C39-871E-4E5819CD898D@zeesource.net> Message-ID: <200512071744.jB7HiR305659@candle.pha.pa.us> Claire McLister wrote: > Technically there is no privacy issue, as all the information is > indeed public. We did receive one threat (not from anyone on these > email list, but another list) to damage our servers so I think we > have to be careful. > > Allowing a simple opt-out should solve this issue. > > So, would you like to see another map of postings to pgsql-general? Yes. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman at candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 From mclister at zeesource.net Wed Dec 7 23:01:35 2005 From: mclister at zeesource.net (Claire McLister) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:01:35 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: [pgsql-www] [GENERAL] Map of Postgresql Users (OT) In-Reply-To: <6BCB9D8A16AC4241919521715F4D8BCE6C7D16@algol.sollentuna.se> References: <6BCB9D8A16AC4241919521715F4D8BCE6C7D16@algol.sollentuna.se> Message-ID: Well, we certainly do not want to do anything against the law. What countries would these be? On Dec 7, 2005, at 9:38 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: > > It is an issue with the law in several countries. The two sets of > information may be public, but the combined info is still sensitive. > It's law, it doesn't have to make sense :-) I'm not sure if it applies > exactly in this case, but it could very well do, and it's just > unnecessary to risk stepping on it. > > > It's a different thing if we have people who want to be listed by name > register on a webpage. Then they volounteer the combined information, > and it's perfectly ok to use it that way (especially since we'd say > that's why). > > //Magnus > > ---------------------------(end of > broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to > choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not > match From Jeroen.Ticheler at fao.org Tue Dec 13 16:26:36 2005 From: Jeroen.Ticheler at fao.org (Jeroen Ticheler) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:26:36 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] GeoNetwork opensource Spatial Data Catalog 2.0.0 Server and Desktop versions released! Message-ID: <645E9602-DD1A-4EAA-9102-5059ECA0C5E1@fao.org> Hi All! The new releases of GeoNetwork & InterMap opensource version 2.0.0 for Desktop and Server installations are available! Geonetwork opensource is a web based Spatial Data Catalog system with a user friendly interface to search and manage Metadata for Spatial Data. The system allows storage of ISO19115, FGDC and Dublin Core formatted metadata and has a comprehensive metadata editor. The release contains the web based catalog application and the integrated InterMap interactive map client application. More information and downloads can be found on the GeoNetwork community website at http://geonetwork.sourceforge.net . Check out the Software center and the Documentation center. The Desktop version should make it really easy for people to set up the software on Windows based computers, while the Server version allows full configuration for operational systems. The functionality of both versions is the same however. Enjoy the release and let us have your comments and contributions! We, at FAO, UNEP and WFP are now working on getting our systems working on this version of the software. Greetings on behalf of the GeoNetwork opensource development team, Jeroen _____________ A list of features in this release: GeoNetwork opensource v2.0.0 include: (for InterMap opensource 2.0.0 features see below) * Search index is capable of handling large amounts of metadata. The indexing is build using Jakarta Lucene. * Support for metadata based on the ISO19115, FGDC and Dublin Core standards -- This support includes: o storing and indexing of metadata in its original format o displaying search results in a uniform way o searching through the metadata in a uniform way o editing the different metadata standards online in default, advanced and XML mode o access to the full set of ISO19115 and FGDC metadata elements through the generic online editor o validation of metadata based on XSD schema's o import of XML formatted metadata and possible conversion of the input file through XSL transformation o batch import of XML formatted metadata and possible conversion of the input files through XSL transformation o generating of small and large thumbnails based on an input file in JPEG, PNG or GIF format (ISO19115 only). * Metadata harvesting mechanism. -- The harvesting mechanism has the following characteristics: o The application can be scheduled to harvest metadata from other catalogues. (harvesting and access through Catalog Services for the Web 2 (CSW2) is under development and will be released in version 2.1 of GeoNetwork opensource) o The full set of query parameters used to search the GeoNetwork catalog are also available for harvesting jobs. o Harvesting can also harvest secured metadata, e.g. for interagency metadata sharing. o Harvested metadata provides instant access to metadata when searching while the data for download and related services remain at the originating agency. o Attribution logo of originating agency with every harvested metadata. * Category system. Metadata can be moderated on a per node basis. This allows a node to group metadata that relate to the target audience, independently of the descriptions as provided by the metadata author. * Featured metadata. Metadata can be defined as featured. Featured metadata will randomly appear on the homepage of the GeoNetwork opensource website. The refresh rate of featured metadata can be defined by the system administrator. * Recently updated metadata. A list of most recently updated content is available from the homepage. * Fully scalable user interface, adapting to the size of the browser window. * Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) for most user interface style information. This allows for a quick customization of the GUI. * Fully XML/XSLT based, separating content from presentation. XSL templates define the output format and lay out. Although currently only HTML is generated, other output formats can be generated at will through new XSLT templates. * Global unique identifiers (UUID) generated for all new metadata records. * Metadata Template system. This system allows to quickly create new metadata entries. -- It provides the following functions: o A template can be fully customized online and can be pre- filled with repetitive content (contact information for example). o Templates can be searched in the same way normal metadata is searched. o Only editors and administrators have access to templates. o Templates can be created for specific user groups * Email notification system to groups for triggered downloads of data sets. * Online administration of Users, Groups and Categories. * Online clean up of left over metadata * Online administration of users by dedicated User Administrators (group specific) * Z39.50 (OGC Catalog Services for the Web 1.0) Server and Client functionality. * Migration application for the migration of GeoNetwork 1 based content into the new system. * Support for publishing and using OGC Web Map Services and ESRI ArcIMS map services. * User community website with a documentation center and software center available at http://geonetwork.sourceforge.net InterMap opensource InterMap opensource v2.0.0 features include: * Combining interactive web map services from distributed Web Map Servers accessible through the Internet (both OGC WMS and ESRI ArcIMS services) * Functions available are among others o Making layers transparent o Accessing related metadata or information o Adding new data from GeoNetwork opensource or other web sites o Accessing web map servers known to a user o Access predefined map servers from a list o Viewing available layers from OGC Map Servers o Open Maps consisting of different layers at once (Web Map Context alike. WMC is upcoming in future releases) o Identify features o Zooming and panning o Moving layers up and down o Server side SLD support o Viewing temporal data From ezequias at recife.pe.gov.br Tue Dec 13 15:28:18 2005 From: ezequias at recife.pe.gov.br (Ezequias Rodrigues da Rocha) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:28:18 -0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] [postgis-users] Re: [pgsql-www] Re: [GENERAL] Map of Postgresql Users (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <7def66b8e277ec3dcfb0e90f001194fa@zeesource.net> <20051027094158.W82309@storm-user.niwa.co.nz> <200510262102.27259.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> <436200FB.4090400@ccgis.de> Message-ID: <439EDA82.8040001@recife.pe.gov.br> Can anybody tell me what is the member passord ? Ezequias Claire McLister wrote: > Arnulf, > > Thanks for your message. I looked at the mapbender site, and it looks > like it has the basic functions except the password protection, which > you will probably need at some point:-) The performance from here > (California) was slow, and the map image did not look as good as > Google's. I suppose we have better map images available? > > I could not find Cunninghams talk on P2P style wiki's, but seems to me > that it would be too much work for a simple web page. Ideally, we'd > just want to have a static map with possibly Javascript popups. That > way, the performance can be good and the web site doesn't become that > onerous that the pg www group kicks us out. > > So, a question to you and Palo: Can you generate such static map > (along with Javascript code) from Mapserver? > > Claire > > On Oct 28, 2005, at 3:44 AM, Arnulf Christl wrote: > >> Claire McLister wrote: >> >>> Good point. This might actually be a problem. Google Maps API >>> requires each server that is serving the map to be registered with >>> Google, and send the corresponding key when making the Javascript >>> request. >>> Unless the mirrors can each send their own keys, this will not work. >>> Claire >> >> >> Hi, more cross posting... >> >> Sounds like this task should be solved using WMS and WFS services. >> Google is cool but in order to foster both Open Source and standards >> (OGC) we would suggest to use e.g. MapServer as WMS to produce the >> maps and GeoServer as WFS to manage geomtries. Those OWS services >> could then be included in any OWS client, web interface, etc. >> Everything is there and ready to go, the effort to get it to run >> should be minimal. >> >> Our clients usually operate PostgreSQL databases with several million >> geometries - those 500 to 600 markers could be hosted on any >> antediluvian box and still be fast. You will know what to about >> mirroring, we would probably suggest to implement P2P - read Ward >> Cunninghams ideas int he keynote at the Wikimania conference this >> summer... >> >> We have done the user mmapping Mapbender users with tooltips, direct >> link to the website, etc. You can have a look at it on the project >> homepage http://www.mapbender.org >> Its done Wiki-style so that users can enter their own position (use >> the blue flag) or remove or edit any position (use the i-button). No >> user accounts yet but security and authentication is in place and >> have just not yet been necessary (still waiting for spatial spam...) >> >> We will spread word about spatial data management using >> PostgreSQL/PostGIS with MapServer, GeoServer etc. at the >> http://www.opendbcon.net (database fundamentals) on Nov. 8. and 9. in >> Frankfurt/Main, Germany. >> >> This idea is on short notice but i would be really very excited if i >> could show the map there! We suggest the following alterantive actions: >> >> - It should be easy to add a geometry_column to the existing >> PostgreSQL database which alredy has the positions. Add a GeoServer >> WFS to access the geomtry and a MapServer for WMS display. >> - Alternatively send Paolo or us or both the geo-positions and we add >> them to our existing OWS infrastructure (that will takt a few hours >> of work only). >> >> Beause there is not so much time until the conference this would just >> be be a prototype which should in the long run move to the PostgreSQL >> or PostGIS homepage or Wiki or both. Yet another idea: Mediawiki (the >> Wikipedia software) is also right now introducing geometries to the >> Wiki database - obviously also using PostgreSQL/PostGIS. This would >> be another cool multiplier.. and there we also meet with Google again. >> >> Best, Arnulf. >> >> >>> On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:02 PM, Robert Treat wrote: >>> >>>> On Wednesday 26 October 2005 18:24, Claire McLister wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Oct 26, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Brent Wood wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There has recently been a thread on the Postgres user list about >>>>>> a web >>>>>> based postgres user/developer map. Claire has built a Google map >>>>>> based >>>>>> system, getting locations from IP addresses. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just so people know, this map can be found at: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.zeesource.net/maps/map.do?group=456 >>>>> >>>> >>>> I'm going to loop in a few more people here :-), namely the pg web >>>> team who >>>> will probably be able to give pointers on site integration. One >>>> thing to keep >>>> in mind is that the postgresql website is statically mirrored onto >>>> a number >>>> of different servers, so any solution we come up with will ideally >>>> allow >>>> itself to that. I believe a google maps system can do this (we can >>>> mirror the >>>> javascript code and the location/data file on all mirrors and the >>>> google map >>>> will work with it as is), which is why I originally went with that >>>> type of >>>> solution. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Robert Treat >>>> Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Freegis-list mailing list >>> Freegis-list at intevation.de >>> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list >> >> >> >> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >> TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to >> choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not >> match > > > _______________________________________________ > postgis-users mailing list > postgis-users at postgis.refractions.net > http://postgis.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/postgis-users > -- Ezequias Rodrigues da Rocha http://ezequiasrocha.blogspot.com msn:ezequias at hotmail.com From expert at scs-net.org Wed Dec 14 16:09:49 2005 From: expert at scs-net.org (eng. Labani) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:09:49 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] need code to edit shp file Message-ID: <000201c600c0$8fc8a510$8119fea9@ahmed> Hi friends I need php code to edit shp file could you please tell me where can I find it or find the code in similar language can you help me please From lists.paulselormey at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 00:09:47 2005 From: lists.paulselormey at gmail.com (Paul Selormey) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:09:47 +0900 Subject: [Freegis-list] NMapBrowser is not an open source Message-ID: <250a9eb60512161509r2c8856bge74abac1ec9b967c@mail.gmail.com> Please remove the NMapBrowser from the site. It is not an open source. The so-called sources made available is a sample application of a commercial product. Try compiling the sources and you will see the trick. Best regards, Paul. From strk at keybit.net Mon Dec 19 11:56:04 2005 From: strk at keybit.net (strk) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:56:04 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] NMapBrowser is not an open source In-Reply-To: <250a9eb60512161509r2c8856bge74abac1ec9b967c@mail.gmail.com> References: <250a9eb60512161509r2c8856bge74abac1ec9b967c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051219105604.GI13606@keybit.net> On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 08:09:47AM +0900, Paul Selormey wrote: > Please remove the NMapBrowser from the site. It is not an open source. > The so-called sources made available is a sample application of a > commercial product. Try compiling the sources and you will see the > trick. I suggest stroking it rather then dropping it. It would be a way to keep track of unfair players in the freegis market (and a community request for fair play). --strk; /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / Respect for low technology. X Keep e-mail messages readable by any computer system. / \ Keep it ASCII. From tzajc at conae.gov.ar Wed Dec 28 21:34:26 2005 From: tzajc at conae.gov.ar (Tomas Zajc) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:34:26 -0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] ogr2ogr: csv to shpefile (newby question) Message-ID: <200512281734.26779.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> I could finally install gdal and ogr on slackware. I'm now trying to convert some csv to shapefiles. For that I'm using the following comand: ogr2ogr -f "ESRI Shapefile" out coal.csv where coal csv is: unknown,na,id,id2,mark,coalkey,coalkey2,x,y 0.000,0.000,1,1,7,87,87,76.90238,51.07161 0.000,0.000,2,2,7,110,110,78.53851,50.69403 0.000,0.000,3,3,3,112,112,83.22586,71.24420 I'm getting the following error: ERROR 4: Unable to open out/coal.shp or out/coal.SHP and an out directory with a coal.dbf file. I need to generate the three files. I tried ogr2og on OS X and debian and I just get the dbf, with the difference that in OS X and debian I don't get the error message. Any suggestion? Thanks Tomas From mateusz at loskot.net Wed Dec 28 23:06:42 2005 From: mateusz at loskot.net (=?UTF-8?B?TWF0ZXVzeiDFgW9za290?=) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:06:42 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] ogr2ogr: csv to shpefile (newby question) In-Reply-To: <200512281734.26779.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> References: <200512281734.26779.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> Message-ID: Tomas Zajc wrote: > I could finally install gdal and ogr on slackware. I'm now trying to convert > some csv to shapefiles. For that I'm using the following comand: > > ogr2ogr -f "ESRI Shapefile" out coal.csv > > where coal csv is: > > unknown,na,id,id2,mark,coalkey,coalkey2,x,y > 0.000,0.000,1,1,7,87,87,76.90238,51.07161 > 0.000,0.000,2,2,7,110,110,78.53851,50.69403 > 0.000,0.000,3,3,3,112,112,83.22586,71.24420 > > I'm getting the following error: > > ERROR 4: Unable to open out/coal.shp or out/coal.SHP I've just checked on Windows and this command should work. I use ogr2ogr from FWTools package (http://fwtools.maptools.org) as follows: ogr2ogr -f "ESRI Shapefile" out.shp coal.csv As a result I got *one* DBF file out.dbf with data from coal.csv. > and an out directory with a coal.dbf file. I need to generate the three files. You won't get 3 files, only 1 .dbf. > Any suggestion? I'd suggest you to report the problem on GDAL/OGR list: gdal-dev at lists.maptools.org (include version numbers of GDAL/OGR you are using) Cheers -- Mateusz ?oskot http://mateusz.loskot.net From tzajc at conae.gov.ar Wed Dec 28 23:27:47 2005 From: tzajc at conae.gov.ar (Tomas Zajc) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:27:47 -0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] ogr2ogr: csv to shpefile (newby question) In-Reply-To: References: <200512281734.26779.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> Message-ID: <200512281927.47666.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> I'm not getting the error message any more but I'm not geting the three files either. Is there any way of getting th .shx .shp an .dbf from a csv with ogr2ogr? Is there any other (command line) application that can convert csv to shapefiles? gen2shp only convert generate files that can't contain attributes. Thanks, Tomas PD: I'm using gdal-1.3.1 On Wednesday 28 December 2005 19:06, Mateusz ?oskot wrote: > Tomas Zajc wrote: > > I could finally install gdal and ogr on slackware. I'm now trying to > > convert some csv to shapefiles. For that I'm using the following comand: > > > > ogr2ogr -f "ESRI Shapefile" out coal.csv > > > > where coal csv is: > > > > unknown,na,id,id2,mark,coalkey,coalkey2,x,y > > 0.000,0.000,1,1,7,87,87,76.90238,51.07161 > > 0.000,0.000,2,2,7,110,110,78.53851,50.69403 > > 0.000,0.000,3,3,3,112,112,83.22586,71.24420 > > > > I'm getting the following error: > > > > ERROR 4: Unable to open out/coal.shp or out/coal.SHP > > I've just checked on Windows and this command should work. > I use ogr2ogr from FWTools package (http://fwtools.maptools.org) as > follows: > > ogr2ogr -f "ESRI Shapefile" out.shp coal.csv > > As a result I got *one* DBF file out.dbf with data from coal.csv. > > > and an out directory with a coal.dbf file. I need to generate the three > > files. > > You won't get 3 files, only 1 .dbf. > > > Any suggestion? > > I'd suggest you to report the problem on GDAL/OGR list: > gdal-dev at lists.maptools.org > > (include version numbers of GDAL/OGR you are using) > > Cheers From mateusz at loskot.net Wed Dec 28 23:49:44 2005 From: mateusz at loskot.net (=?UTF-8?B?TWF0ZXVzeiDFgW9za290?=) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:49:44 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] ogr2ogr: csv to shpefile (newby question) In-Reply-To: <200512281927.47666.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> References: <200512281734.26779.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> <200512281927.47666.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> Message-ID: Tomas Zajc wrote: > I'm not getting the error message any more but I'm not geting the three files > either. Is there any way of getting th .shx .shp an .dbf from a csv with > ogr2ogr? > What would you expect to have in .shp file from your csv? 1. AFAIS there is no geometry stuff in he coal.csv 2. There is no way to tell ogr2ogr which fields form .csv contain geometry informatio Cheers -- Mateusz ?oskot http://mateusz.loskot.net From adam at jamradar.com Thu Dec 29 06:20:25 2005 From: adam at jamradar.com (Adam) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:20:25 -0600 Subject: [Freegis-list] Looking for NPA/Area Code Boundry Files Message-ID: <002b01c60c37$96206d80$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> Does anyone know where I can get NPA (Area Code) boundary files for the United States? I've looked for them but can't find them. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20051228/cf3ea949/attachment.html From frank.koormann at intevation.de Thu Dec 29 10:30:36 2005 From: frank.koormann at intevation.de (Frank Koormann) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:30:36 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] ogr2ogr: csv to shpefile (newby question) In-Reply-To: <200512281927.47666.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> References: <200512281734.26779.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> <200512281927.47666.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> Message-ID: <20051229093036.GB567@intevation.de> Tomas, * Tomas Zajc [051228 23:27]: > I'm not getting the error message any more but I'm not geting the three files > either. Is there any way of getting th .shx .shp an .dbf from a csv with > ogr2ogr? No: http://gdal.maptools.org/ogr/drv_csv.html "OGR supports reading and writing non-spatial tabular data stored in text CSV files." > Is there any other (command line) application that can convert csv to > shapefiles? gen2shp only convert generate files that can't contain > attributes. But it shouldn't be that hard to cut the coordinates and the attributes from your csv into two different tables. Apply gen2shp to generate the geometry files and in a second step run e.g. ogr2ogr to create the dbase attributes. HTH, Frank Koormann -- Frank Koormann Professional Service around Free Software (http://intevation.net/) FreeGIS Project (http://freegis.org/) From mateusz at loskot.net Thu Dec 29 11:50:19 2005 From: mateusz at loskot.net (=?UTF-8?B?TWF0ZXVzeiDFgW9za290?=) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:50:19 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] ogr2ogr: csv to shpefile (newby question) In-Reply-To: <200512281927.47666.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> References: <200512281734.26779.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> <200512281927.47666.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> Message-ID: Tomas Zajc wrote: > Is there any other (command line) application that can convert csv to > shapefiles? gen2shp only convert generate files that can't contain > attributes. Do you know some scripting language i.e. Python? If you do, then it should not take much time to write a script to convert your CSV to Shapefile. Download pyshapelib, a Python wrapper for Shapelib (http://shapelib.maptools.org): http://hobu.biz/software/pyshapelib Read your CSV file and split every line (record) using comma delimiter. Then write coordinates (data from column you where have lat/lon) as Shape object, but other data to DBF - in fields of record for Shape object created formerly. Writing scripts is a very nice fun :-) Cheers -- Mateusz ?oskot http://mateusz.loskot.net From h-j.luecking at t-online.de Thu Dec 29 16:42:08 2005 From: h-j.luecking at t-online.de (Heinz) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:42:08 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Looking for NPA/Area Code Boundry Files In-Reply-To: <002b01c60c37$96206d80$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> References: <002b01c60c37$96206d80$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> Message-ID: Adam schrieb: > Does anyone know where I can get NPA (Area Code) boundary files for the > United States? I've looked for them but can't find them. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list Have a look on http://en.giswiki.de/index.php/Geodaten_Nordamerika heinz From bartvde at xs4all.nl Thu Dec 29 18:52:29 2005 From: bartvde at xs4all.nl (Bart van den Eijnden) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:52:29 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] ogr2ogr: csv to shpefile (newby question) In-Reply-To: <20051229093036.GB567@intevation.de> References: <200512281734.26779.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> <200512281927.47666.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> <20051229093036.GB567@intevation.de> Message-ID: <43B4225D.4060704@xs4all.nl> Use the virtual spatial data option for your source (this can be csv): http://www.gdal.org/ogr/drv_vrt.html Anyway, this question would be better addressed on the gdal-dev list. Best regards, Bart Frank Koormann wrote: >Tomas, > >* Tomas Zajc [051228 23:27]: > > >>I'm not getting the error message any more but I'm not geting the three files >>either. Is there any way of getting th .shx .shp an .dbf from a csv with >>ogr2ogr? >> >> > >No: http://gdal.maptools.org/ogr/drv_csv.html > >"OGR supports reading and writing non-spatial tabular data stored in >text CSV files." > > > >>Is there any other (command line) application that can convert csv to >>shapefiles? gen2shp only convert generate files that can't contain >>attributes. >> >> > >But it shouldn't be that hard to cut the coordinates and the attributes >from your csv into two different tables. Apply gen2shp to generate >the geometry files and in a second step run e.g. ogr2ogr to create >the dbase attributes. > >HTH, > > Frank Koormann > > > -- Bart van den Eijnden OSGIS, Open Source GIS http://www.osgis.nl From dca.gis at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 22:15:59 2005 From: dca.gis at gmail.com (Daniel Calvelo) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:15:59 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] ogr2ogr: csv to shpefile (newby question) In-Reply-To: <20051229093036.GB567@intevation.de> References: <200512281734.26779.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> <200512281927.47666.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> <20051229093036.GB567@intevation.de> Message-ID: <1a486f560512291315n6cd93b96o93b8fa1e1c1a7d16@mail.gmail.com> On 12/29/05, Frank Koormann wrote: > > But it shouldn't be that hard to cut the coordinates and the attributes > from your csv into two different tables. Apply gen2shp to generate > the geometry files and in a second step run e.g. ogr2ogr to create > the dbase attributes. Or do it all in GRASS using v.in.ascii then v.out.ogr. Bonus: reproject as needed. Doesn't QGIS provide an X-Y importer? The "Delimited Text Importer" plugin, if memory serves right. Beware of nulls though. HTH, Daniel -- Daniel Calvelo Aros From ken.waters at noaa.gov Thu Dec 29 22:41:56 2005 From: ken.waters at noaa.gov (Ken Waters) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:41:56 -1000 Subject: [Freegis-list] ogr2ogr: csv to shpefile (newby question) In-Reply-To: <20051229093036.GB567@intevation.de> References: <200512281734.26779.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> <200512281927.47666.tzajc@conae.gov.ar> <20051229093036.GB567@intevation.de> Message-ID: <43B45824.2010807@noaa.gov> I use gen2shp and then txt2dbf, also freeware and available for either Windoze or Linux/Unix. This two-step process works just fine for creating fully compatible shapefiles. If you need for the process to be repeatable then just call the routines in a scripting language (like Perl), as I do. I do all of that, creating real-time shapefiles in both operating systems. Ken >>Is there any other (command line) application that can convert csv to >>shapefiles? gen2shp only convert generate files that can't contain >>attributes. >> >> > >But it shouldn't be that hard to cut the coordinates and the attributes >from your csv into two different tables. Apply gen2shp to generate >the geometry files and in a second step run e.g. ogr2ogr to create >the dbase attributes. > >HTH, > > Frank Koormann > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 12/29/2005