From morissette at dmsolutions.ca  Fri Jan  2 22:38:36 2004
From: morissette at dmsolutions.ca (Daniel Morissette)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 16:38:36 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: New homepages of E00compr and AVEC00?
In-Reply-To: <20040102082125.GB425@intevation.de>
References: <20040102082125.GB425@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <3FF5E4DC.2060307@dmsolutions.ca>

Jan-Oliver Wagner wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> the links on FreeGIS.org
> http://pages.infinit.net/danmo/e00/index-e00compr.html
> http://pages.infinit.net/danmo/e00/index-avce00.html
> are broken.
> 
> Can you give me the new official homepage URLs of your tools?
> 

Hi Jan, and other Freegis listers,

I received a few emails about this today... it seems that there is more 
traffic to those sites than I thought. I guess that's good news.  :)

I moved (a few minutes ago) the homepages of the AVCE00 and E00compr 
libraries to a new home at:

   http://avce00.maptools.org/

Can you please update the freegis links. The old URLs are gone for good.

Daniel
-- 
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  Daniel Morissette               morissette at dmsolutions.ca
  DM Solutions Group              http://www.dmsolutions.ca/
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From bernhard at intevation.de  Sat Jan  3 02:01:02 2004
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 02:01:02 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] New homepage of E00compr and AVEC00
In-Reply-To: <3FF5E4DC.2060307@dmsolutions.ca>
References: <20040102082125.GB425@intevation.de>
	<3FF5E4DC.2060307@dmsolutions.ca>
Message-ID: <20040103010102.GC26673@intevation.de>

On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 04:38:36PM -0500, Daniel Morissette wrote:
> I received a few emails about this today... it seems that there is more 
> traffic to those sites than I thought. I guess that's good news.  :)
> 
> I moved (a few minutes ago) the homepages of the AVCE00 and E00compr 
> libraries to a new home at:
> 
>   http://avce00.maptools.org/
> 
> Can you please update the freegis links. The old URLs are gone for good.

Done.
Thanks for the notice.

-- 
If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service:
	http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html
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From morissette at dmsolutions.ca  Mon Jan  5 18:24:29 2004
From: morissette at dmsolutions.ca (Daniel Morissette)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:24:29 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] June 2004 - Open Source GIS and MapServer User
	Meeting
Message-ID: <3FF99DCD.5030003@dmsolutions.ca>

Happy New Year everyone,

I met some of you at the GRASS Users meeting in Trento in 2002 and then 
suggested that we (the Open Source community) would meet again in a few 
years in Ottawa, Canada.  Well, this time has come: the "Open Source GIS 
Conference and MapServer User Meeting" will take place in Ottawa in June 
2004.

This will be the second MapServer Users Meeting, but as the name 
suggests, the event will also be open to all Open Source/Free GIS 
Software users and developers.

More information should be available in the next few weeks. You can 
already find some information in the forwarded message below and mark 
the event dates on your calendar.

See you (again or for the first time) in June in Ottawa!

Daniel
------------------------------------------------------------
  Daniel Morissette               morissette at dmsolutions.ca
  DM Solutions Group              http://www.dmsolutions.ca/
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Mapserver-users] MapServer User Meeting - June 2004
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:57:24 -0500
From: Dave McIlhagga <mcilhagga at dmsolutions.ca>
To: mapserver <mapserver-users at lists.gis.umn.edu>

Hi everyone,

On behalf of the Ottawa MapServer Users Group, I'm very happy to invite
all of you to next year's MapServer User Meeting, here in Ottawa, Canada.

Our planning committee has been hard at work in the past few months
beginning getting the initial plans in place in order to put on an event
like this one.

There will be a lot more details in the months ahead, but I'll pass
along what I can for now:



The Event: Open Source GIS Conference and MapServer User Meeting

- We figured since we're doing this for MapServer, why not at the same
time have an event that's open to ALL the open soure GIS community!

Your Hosts: The Ottawa MapServer Users Group

- About a third of the Ottawa group is actively involved in planning the
event, and everybody will be participating in the actual event when it
happens.

The Date: June 9-11, 2004
The Venue: Carleton University, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


That's about all I can tell you for now. We've got a great program in
the works, some fun events. So for now, mark it on your calendars -- and
you'll be hearing a lot more from us re. registering, program,
workshops/presentations, exhibition, etc..

We're already excited - and it's still 6 months away!

I will be in touch much more very soon. In the meantime, I wish you all
wonderful holidays and a happy new year in the weeks ahead.

Dave



From sajithvk at hotpop.com  Thu Jan  8 15:21:38 2004
From: sajithvk at hotpop.com (Sajith VK)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:21:38 +0000
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM - Morphix
Message-ID: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>

Hi,
	I am sajith vk, from India. We are working to 
make a free Gis users group here and work is in progress.
When we shown the power of available free Gis softwares
(GRASS, thuban, mapserver etc), several persons (and even
institutes) are interested.
	We tried to distribute the freegis CDROM. Its good
for demonstration, but AFAIK, harddisk installation is very hard.
So we created one based on morphix. It now contains GRASS, thuban,
mapserver etc. Being morphix based, hardisk installation is simple,
so one who installs GNU/Linux from this CD is getting a good
Gis workstation!.
	Do anybody know a place where we can host our CD?
I also wish to contribute to freegis.org's freegis CD instead of
working for a seperate one (To avoid duplication of work).

Waiting for your advice,

-- 
Sajith VK <sajithvk at hotpop.com>




From bernhard at intevation.de  Thu Jan  8 10:16:24 2004
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:16:24 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM - Morphix
In-Reply-To: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
Message-ID: <20040108091624.GB30332@intevation.de>

Hello Sajith,

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 02:21:38PM +0000, Sajith VK wrote:
> 	I am sajith vk, from India. We are working to 
> make a free Gis users group here and work is in progress.
> When we shown the power of available free Gis softwares
> (GRASS, thuban, mapserver etc), several persons (and even
> institutes) are interested.

Thanks for helping to spread the word!
It is highly appreciated.  
We need to get Free GIS Software into the public.

> 	We tried to distribute the freegis CDROM. Its good
> for demonstration, but AFAIK, harddisk installation is very hard.

It was meant to be a special subject distribution 
for people already having a running GNU/Linux system.

> So we created one based on morphix. It now contains GRASS, thuban,
> mapserver etc. Being morphix based, hardisk installation is simple,
> so one who installs GNU/Linux from this CD is getting a good
> Gis workstation!.

This is a good idea. 

Note that there might be a few drawbacks:

Morphix - just as knoppix - is likely to contain non-free software.
For a while Intevation started an initiative to put freedom
back on knoppix again. Something we call "Freie Software Knoppix".
Check the HTML in
http://intevation.de/cgi-bin/viewcvs-misc.cgi/freie_software_knoppix/

If you give out a live CD, you basically need to have the source
for it ready on request. At least for the parts that are under the GNU GPL.
This became a stumbling block when we wanted to create such a CD.
In order to be able to distribute it, Intevation would need to produce
the source CDs for it right away. 

Harddisk installation of knoppix usually leaves you with a Debian
GNU/Linux system which is in a non-upgradable status.
Thus those users will make a bad experiences with Debian
if they try to maintain that installation over time.
So installation as a real system on disk is easy but has those drawbacks.

A third thing is the data. We made a demo version of a Free GIS CD
called taran, but lacked data like a scanned background basemap,
DEM, vector information and an airial photo for the same area 
to actually being able to demonstrate the software.

> 	Do anybody know a place where we can host our CD?

So far we also did not find a place to host CDs of the 
Freie Software Knoppix.

> I also wish to contribute to freegis.org's freegis CD instead of
> working for a seperate one (To avoid duplication of work).

We certainly should join forces on this one.
I believe https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/team
could be a place to discuss this in details.
The GAV (German Grass User Association) probably is also intested
in this. They over time started to try to collect a few complete
data sets for those purposes.

	Bernhard

-- 
Professional Service around Free Software                (intevation.net)  

If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service:
	http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html
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From adoyle at eogeo.org  Thu Jan  8 14:51:23 2004
From: adoyle at eogeo.org (Allan Doyle)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:51:23 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM - Morphix
In-Reply-To: <20040108091624.GB30332@intevation.de>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
	<20040108091624.GB30332@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <16381.24667.773535.968116@intl-interfaces.com>

This is one of the things I and some others have started EOGEO to work
on.  EOGEO is an NGO chartered to help other NGOs with their spatial
data, tools, etc.

You can see more about EOGEO at http://www.eogeo.org

We can help with modest hosting needs right now and when we get more
hardware/network/funding resources we can help with more.

I'll move over to the other list to discuss the specifics of hosting
CDs. I just put in a subscription request to the team list...

	Allan


On Thursday, January 08 2004 at 10:16:24(+0100) Bernhard Reiter wrote:
 > Hello Sajith,
 > 
 > On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 02:21:38PM +0000, Sajith VK wrote:
 > > 	I am sajith vk, from India. We are working to 
 > > make a free Gis users group here and work is in progress.
 > > When we shown the power of available free Gis softwares
 > > (GRASS, thuban, mapserver etc), several persons (and even
 > > institutes) are interested.
 > 
 > Thanks for helping to spread the word!
 > It is highly appreciated.  
 > We need to get Free GIS Software into the public.
 > 
 > > 	We tried to distribute the freegis CDROM. Its good
 > > for demonstration, but AFAIK, harddisk installation is very hard.
 > 
 > It was meant to be a special subject distribution 
 > for people already having a running GNU/Linux system.
 > 
 > > So we created one based on morphix. It now contains GRASS, thuban,
 > > mapserver etc. Being morphix based, hardisk installation is simple,
 > > so one who installs GNU/Linux from this CD is getting a good
 > > Gis workstation!.
 > 
 > This is a good idea. 
 > 
 > Note that there might be a few drawbacks:
 > 
 > Morphix - just as knoppix - is likely to contain non-free software.
 > For a while Intevation started an initiative to put freedom
 > back on knoppix again. Something we call "Freie Software Knoppix".
 > Check the HTML in
 > http://intevation.de/cgi-bin/viewcvs-misc.cgi/freie_software_knoppix/
 > 
 > If you give out a live CD, you basically need to have the source
 > for it ready on request. At least for the parts that are under the GNU GPL.
 > This became a stumbling block when we wanted to create such a CD.
 > In order to be able to distribute it, Intevation would need to produce
 > the source CDs for it right away. 
 > 
 > Harddisk installation of knoppix usually leaves you with a Debian
 > GNU/Linux system which is in a non-upgradable status.
 > Thus those users will make a bad experiences with Debian
 > if they try to maintain that installation over time.
 > So installation as a real system on disk is easy but has those drawbacks.
 > 
 > A third thing is the data. We made a demo version of a Free GIS CD
 > called taran, but lacked data like a scanned background basemap,
 > DEM, vector information and an airial photo for the same area 
 > to actually being able to demonstrate the software.
 > 
 > > 	Do anybody know a place where we can host our CD?
 > 
 > So far we also did not find a place to host CDs of the 
 > Freie Software Knoppix.
 > 
 > > I also wish to contribute to freegis.org's freegis CD instead of
 > > working for a seperate one (To avoid duplication of work).
 > 
 > We certainly should join forces on this one.
 > I believe https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/team
 > could be a place to discuss this in details.
 > The GAV (German Grass User Association) probably is also intested
 > in this. They over time started to try to collect a few complete
 > data sets for those purposes.
 > 
 > 	Bernhard
 > 
 > -- 
 > Professional Service around Free Software                (intevation.net)  
 > 
 > If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service:
 > 	http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html
 > _______________________________________________
 > Freegis-list mailing list
 > Freegis-list at intevation.de
 > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Allan Doyle                                        +1.781.433.2695
http://www.eogeo.org
adoyle at eogeo.org



From sajithvk at hotpop.com  Thu Jan  8 22:21:09 2004
From: sajithvk at hotpop.com (Sajith VK)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 21:21:09 +0000
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM - Morphix
In-Reply-To: <20040108091624.GB30332@intevation.de>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
	<20040108091624.GB30332@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <1073596869.827.22.camel@FSFI>

Hi,

> This is a good idea. 
Thanks

> Note that there might be a few drawbacks:
> 
> Morphix - just as knoppix - is likely to contain non-free software.
> For a while Intevation started an initiative to put freedom
> back on knoppix again. Something we call "Freie Software Knoppix".
> Check the HTML in
> http://intevation.de/cgi-bin/viewcvs-misc.cgi/freie_software_knoppix/
> 
I am trying to find the non-free software's in morphix. I have
started a thread in the morphix list about this, waiting for
others comments. We can remove all the non-free software from
our CD, AFAIK It wont be too deficult. 
B/w I am looking on free-knoppix effort from intevation. It may
have good information needed for us

> If you give out a live CD, you basically need to have the source
> for it ready on request. At least for the parts that are under the GNU GPL.
> This became a stumbling block when we wanted to create such a CD.
> In order to be able to distribute it, Intevation would need to produce
> the source CDs for it right away.
Creating a source CD will be easy. My CD is based on debian stable 
and testing. We can collect source from the apt repositery. Also,
AFAIK we neednot upload the source CD. Source need to be given only
if somebody ask. 

>  
> 
> Harddisk installation of knoppix usually leaves you with a Debian
> GNU/Linux system which is in a non-upgradable status.
> Thus those users will make a bad experiences with Debian
> if they try to maintain that installation over time.
> So installation as a real system on disk is easy but has those drawbacks.
Its upto us to deside. If we use packages only from debiann stable
and testing testing, it wont give any problem. Knoppix uses some
non-standard repositries, which make upgradation difficult.

> A third thing is the data. We made a demo version of a Free GIS CD
> called taran, but lacked data like a scanned background basemap,
> DEM, vector information and an airial photo for the same area 
> to actually being able to demonstrate the software.
> 
Availablility of free data is a problem for us too. I used data
from frida project to demonsrate mapserver. But no scaned map etc
are available
> > 	Do anybody know a place where we can host our CD?
> 
> So far we also did not find a place to host CDs of the 
> Freie Software Knoppix.
> 
> > I also wish to contribute to freegis.org's freegis CD instead of
> > working for a seperate one (To avoid duplication of work).
> 
> We certainly should join forces on this one.
> I believe https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/team
> could be a place to discuss this in details.
Ok, I will join that list..

> The GAV (German Grass User Association) probably is also intested
> in this. They over time started to try to collect a few complete
> data sets for those purposes.
> 
> 	Bernhard
-- 
Sajith VK <sajithvk at hotpop.com>




From pka at sourcepole.ch  Thu Jan  8 17:29:29 2004
From: pka at sourcepole.ch (Pirmin Kalberer)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:29:29 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM - Morphix
In-Reply-To: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
Message-ID: <200401081729.30049.pka@sourcepole.ch>

Hello Sajith,

Am Donnerstag, 8. Januar 2004 15.21 schrieb Sajith VK:
> 	Do anybody know a place where we can host our CD?

We were able to host it on the Swiss Sunsite Mirror. Maybe you have also luck 
in India.

> I also wish to contribute to freegis.org's freegis CD instead of
> working for a seperate one (To avoid duplication of work).

We're right now preparing a new version of our Knoppix-based CD with PostGIS, 
MySQL with GIS extensions, TerraView, JUMP and the SPEARFISH data set for 
GRASS (http://www.sourcepole.com/gis-knoppix/).
On http://grass.itc.it/demo.html you will find other live CDs with Grass.

Regards,
Pirmin

-- 
Pirmin Kalberer
sourcepole  -  Linux & Open Source Solutions
http://www.sourcepole.com



From bernhard at intevation.de  Thu Jan  8 18:08:28 2004
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:08:28 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM
In-Reply-To: <200401081729.30049.pka@sourcepole.ch>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
	<200401081729.30049.pka@sourcepole.ch>
Message-ID: <20040108170828.GC6308@intevation.de>

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:29:29PM +0100, Pirmin Kalberer wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 8. Januar 2004 15.21 schrieb Sajith VK:
> > 	Do anybody know a place where we can host our CD?
> 
> We were able to host it on the Swiss Sunsite Mirror. Maybe you have also luck 
> in India.
> 
> > I also wish to contribute to freegis.org's freegis CD instead of
> > working for a seperate one (To avoid duplication of work).
> 
> We're right now preparing a new version of our Knoppix-based CD with PostGIS, 
> MySQL with GIS extensions, TerraView, JUMP and the SPEARFISH data set for 
> GRASS (http://www.sourcepole.com/gis-knoppix/).

Did you manage to run JUMP completely on Free Software?
Otherwise it would be another CD with non-free Software on it. :/

> On http://grass.itc.it/demo.html you will find other live CDs with Grass.

I haven't tested all of those in detail,
but the problems I mentioned will exist with some of them:
	- contains some non-free software
	- companies cannot base derived CD on them, 
	  because it is not easy to get nice source CDs.
	- harddisk installation might be a pain if derived from knoppix
	- only of limited use to beginners because data,
	  procedures and documentation is not tightly integrated.

I guess some of those efforts should be merged
and the Free Software community should separate the task
to create a "Freie Software Knoppix" on top of Knoppix 
from creating special topic CD based on this.
	

-- 
Professional Service around Free Software                (intevation.net)  

If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service:
	http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html
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From sajithvk at hotpop.com  Fri Jan  9 11:51:48 2004
From: sajithvk at hotpop.com (Sajith VK)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:51:48 +0000
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM
In-Reply-To: <20040108170828.GC6308@intevation.de>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
	<200401081729.30049.pka@sourcepole.ch>
	<20040108170828.GC6308@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <1073645508.881.6.camel@FSFI>

Hi,

> I haven't tested all of those in detail,
> but the problems I mentioned will exist with some of them:
> 	- contains some non-free software
If we use morphix the only non-free software is an nvdia driver.
We can remove this from the CD we distribute. Also morphix team
plans to remove them, so thatmorphix will be 100% free
> 	- companies cannot base derived CD on them, 
> 	  because it is not easy to get nice source CDs.
We need to address this. As knoppix and morphix are based on debian
creating a source CD will be very easy
> 	- harddisk installation might be a pain if derived from knoppix
Morphix solves this issue.
> 	- only of limited use to beginners because data,
> 	  procedures and documentation is not tightly integrated.
We need to address this.
> I guess some of those efforts should be merged
> and the Free Software community should separate the task
> to create a "Freie Software Knoppix" on top of Knoppix 
> from creating special topic CD based on this.
I dont know what are the non-free softwares present in knoppix.
But morphix team says, nvidia driver is the only non-free software
present in it. So makking a  "Freie Software Morphix" will be 
easy.


Thanks
> 	
-- 
Sajith VK <sajithvk at hotpop.com>




From pi_ml at sourcepole.com  Thu Jan  8 13:24:04 2004
From: pi_ml at sourcepole.com (Pirmin Kalberer)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:24:04 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM - Morphix
In-Reply-To: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
Message-ID: <200401081324.04218.pi_ml@sourcepole.com>

Hello Sajith,

Am Donnerstag, 8. Januar 2004 15.21 schrieb Sajith VK:
> 	Do anybody know a place where we can host our CD?

We were able to host it on the Swiss Sunsite Mirror. Maybe you have also luck 
in India.

> I also wish to contribute to freegis.org's freegis CD instead of
> working for a seperate one (To avoid duplication of work).

We're right now preparing a new version of our Knoppix-based CD with PostGIS, 
MySQL with GIS extensions, TerraView, JUMP and the SPEARFISH data set for 
GRASS (http://www.sourcepole.com/gis-knoppix/).
On http://grass.itc.it/demo.html you will find other live CDs with Grass.

Regards,
Pirmin

-- 
Pirmin Kalberer
sourcepole  -  Linux & Open Source Solutions
http://www.sourcepole.com



From neteler at itc.it  Fri Jan  9 12:21:04 2004
From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:21:04 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM - Morphix
In-Reply-To: <1073596869.827.22.camel@FSFI>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
	<20040108091624.GB30332@intevation.de>
	<1073596869.827.22.camel@FSFI>
Message-ID: <20040109112104.GD8941@thuille.itc.it>

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 09:21:09PM +0000, Sajith VK wrote:
[...]
> > A third thing is the data. We made a demo version of a Free GIS CD
> > called taran, but lacked data like a scanned background basemap,
> > DEM, vector information and an airial photo for the same area 
> > to actually being able to demonstrate the software.
> > 
> Availablility of free data is a problem for us too. I used data
> from frida project to demonsrate mapserver. But no scaned map etc
> are available

Why not using US data? There is plenty of maps, e.g. for the
famous "Spearfish" region in South Dakota:

http://grass.itc.it/data.html
-> data set in GRASS format
-> External related data sets

I also found high resolution road vector map, zip codes,
school districts, topographic sheets etc etc for that region
(URLs on demand).

In Europe it might be impossible to find a suitable
complete (!) dataset at time.

Just my 0.02 Euro
  
 Markus



From bernhard at intevation.de  Fri Jan  9 12:33:54 2004
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:33:54 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM
In-Reply-To: <1073645508.881.6.camel@FSFI>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
	<200401081729.30049.pka@sourcepole.ch>
	<20040108170828.GC6308@intevation.de> <1073645508.881.6.camel@FSFI>
Message-ID: <20040109113354.GC10364@intevation.de>

On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 10:51:48AM +0000, Sajith VK wrote:
> > I haven't tested all of those in detail,
> > but the problems I mentioned will exist with some of them:
> > 	- contains some non-free software

> If we use morphix the only non-free software is an nvdia driver.
> We can remove this from the CD we distribute. Also morphix team
> plans to remove them, so thatmorphix will be 100% free

This problem is that there are doubts 
whether the morphix teams has the experience to do this.

Their FAQ shows that they don't know that 
the GNU GPL is only one Free Software license 
and that any GNU/Linux system
will contain software not licensed under the GNU GPL.

http://morphix.sourceforge.net/modules/xoopsfaq/index.php?cat_id=1#q27

	Is there non-free software in Morphix?

	I'm pragmatic on using non-free software,

	not all software inside Morphix is GPLed. 

	So, people not using nvidia or the game distro do have a
	fully GPL-compliant distribution

	
> > 	- companies cannot base derived CD on them, 
> > 	  because it is not easy to get nice source CDs.
> We need to address this. As knoppix and morphix are based on debian
> creating a source CD will be very easy

The Debian package part is relatively easy.
The kernel, configuration scripts and cloop part might not
with Knoppix.

> > 	- harddisk installation might be a pain if derived from knoppix
> Morphix solves this issue.

I guess I really have to try morphix and see if they improved
the situation.

> > 	- only of limited use to beginners because data,
> > 	  procedures and documentation is not tightly integrated.
> We need to address this.

Yes. 
As Markus points out, we might choose a completely different,
but interesting data set. It certainly makes a lot of sense
to use data which is close to the region (at least from the continent).

> > I guess some of those efforts should be merged
> > and the Free Software community should separate the task
> > to create a "Freie Software Knoppix" on top of Knoppix 
> > from creating special topic CD based on this.

> I dont know what are the non-free softwares present in knoppix.

As documented on 
http://intevation.de/cgi-bin/viewcvs-misc.cgi/%2Acheckout%2A/freie_software_knoppix/knoppixAddFreedom.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html
On our last research we found the following packages on Knoppix 3.2
to be from Debian non-free:  lha unarj gimp1.2-nonfree 3270-common
x3270 acroread giflib-bin giflib3g unp
In addition we removed knx-flashplugin and Java in /usr/lib/j2se.

> But morphix team says, nvidia driver is the only non-free software
> present in it. 

Hopefully they are correct, their FAQ is not as shown above.

Regards,
	Bernhard

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From stef at zoomata.com  Fri Jan  9 12:42:57 2004
From: stef at zoomata.com (Stefano Maffulli)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:42:57 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM
In-Reply-To: <1073645508.881.6.camel@FSFI>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
	<200401081729.30049.pka@sourcepole.ch>
	<20040108170828.GC6308@intevation.de>  <1073645508.881.6.camel@FSFI>
Message-ID: <1073648577.9821.454.camel@plusultra>

On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 11:51, Sajith VK wrote:
> But morphix team says, nvidia driver is the only non-free software
> present in it. So makking a  "Freie Software Morphix" will be 
> easy.

does morphix provide a java interpreter and plugin for mozilla?  How
about flash player and acrobat reader?  If I remember correctly at least
some of these were the more obvious issues with knoppix.  Don't know
exactly what happens with morphix.

bye
stef



From sajithvk at hotpop.com  Fri Jan  9 19:40:01 2004
From: sajithvk at hotpop.com (Sajith VK)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:40:01 +0000
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM
In-Reply-To: <20040109113354.GC10364@intevation.de>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
	<200401081729.30049.pka@sourcepole.ch>
	<20040108170828.GC6308@intevation.de> <1073645508.881.6.camel@FSFI>
	<20040109113354.GC10364@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <1073673600.7300.27.camel@FSFI>

Hi,
	The best thing I found in morphix is that We can create
a cuctom Morphix CD from a debian installation. So we can install
woody to our hard disk, add extra Gis application into it, customise
it as we need, and then we can create a Gis morphix from it. In this
case "non-free softwares in morphix" is not an issue.
	Only thing we need to do is to remove nvdia driver, which is
easy. All the packages by morphix team like "morphix installer" 
are in GPL. But still we need to be careful to remove all non-free
packages in our distribution.

On ??, 2004-01-09 at 11:33, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
> This problem is that there are doubts 
> whether the morphix teams has the experience to do this.

At least they are willing to do so. So we, the free software community,
should help them.


> Yes. 
> As Markus points out, we might choose a completely different,
> but interesting data set. It certainly makes a lot of sense
> to use data which is close to the region (at least from the continent).
> 
Hi, I am from India 



-- 
Sajith VK <sajithvk at hotpop.com>




From bernhard at intevation.de  Fri Jan  9 14:18:10 2004
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:18:10 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM
In-Reply-To: <1073673600.7300.27.camel@FSFI>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
	<200401081729.30049.pka@sourcepole.ch>
	<20040108170828.GC6308@intevation.de> <1073645508.881.6.camel@FSFI>
	<20040109113354.GC10364@intevation.de>
	<1073673600.7300.27.camel@FSFI>
Message-ID: <20040109131810.GA11923@intevation.de>

On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 06:40:01PM +0000, Sajith VK wrote:

> 	The best thing I found in morphix is that We can create
> a cuctom Morphix CD from a debian installation. So we can install
> woody to our hard disk, add extra Gis application into it, customise
> it as we need, and then we can create a Gis morphix from it. In this
> case "non-free softwares in morphix" is not an issue.

This is very promissing.


> On ??????, 2004-01-09 at 11:33, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
> > This problem is that there are doubts 
> > whether the morphix teams has the experience to do this.
> 
> At least they are willing to do so. So we, the free software community,
> should help them.

I completely agree.

> > As Markus points out, we might choose a completely different,
> > but interesting data set. It certainly makes a lot of sense
> > to use data which is close to the region (at least from the continent).
> > 
> Hi, I am from India 

I know, that is why I mentioned the regional focus.
Localising this GIS Cd would mean to have data sets which are from
the region. In your case it would be from India.
It would be a major success if we would have complete data sets
from at least the continents. Always using old ones from the USA
is getting a bit boring I guess. :)

	Bernhard

-- 
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From neteler at itc.it  Sat Jan 10 16:06:32 2004
From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:06:32 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM
In-Reply-To: <20040109113354.GC10364@intevation.de>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
	<200401081729.30049.pka@sourcepole.ch>
	<20040108170828.GC6308@intevation.de> <1073645508.881.6.camel@FSFI>
	<20040109113354.GC10364@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <20040110150632.GC17390@thuille.itc.it>

On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 12:33:54PM +0100, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 10:51:48AM +0000, Sajith VK wrote:
[...]
> > > 	- only of limited use to beginners because data,
> > > 	  procedures and documentation is not tightly integrated.
> > We need to address this.
> 
> Yes. 
> As Markus points out, we might choose a completely different,
> but interesting data set. It certainly makes a lot of sense
> to use data which is close to the region (at least from the continent).
[...]

If there is interest, I can export VMAP0 data by country to
any OGR written format to support such project - more than
60 vector layers. Technically the country plus some surrounding area
would be exported. The required scripts are written.

Regards

 Markus Neteler



From neteler at itc.it  Sat Jan 10 16:10:36 2004
From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:10:36 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM
In-Reply-To: <20040109131810.GA11923@intevation.de>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
	<200401081729.30049.pka@sourcepole.ch>
	<20040108170828.GC6308@intevation.de> <1073645508.881.6.camel@FSFI>
	<20040109113354.GC10364@intevation.de>
	<1073673600.7300.27.camel@FSFI>
	<20040109131810.GA11923@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <20040110151036.GD17390@thuille.itc.it>

On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 02:18:10PM +0100, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 06:40:01PM +0000, Sajith VK wrote:
> > On ??????, 2004-01-09 at 11:33, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
[...]
> > > As Markus points out, we might choose a completely different,
> > > but interesting data set. It certainly makes a lot of sense
> > > to use data which is close to the region (at least from the continent).
> > > 
> > Hi, I am from India 
> 
> I know, that is why I mentioned the regional focus.
> Localising this GIS Cd would mean to have data sets which are from
> the region. In your case it would be from India.
> It would be a major success if we would have complete data sets
> from at least the continents. Always using old ones from the USA
> is getting a bit boring I guess. :)

The data sets aren't old - but let's try to create a data set for
India. I have to look, maybe I have already available a climate
data base for India or at least the conversion scripts to rebuild
it from the GLOBALSOD data base:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/globalsod

Markus



From sajithvk at hotpop.com  Sun Jan 11 09:05:50 2004
From: sajithvk at hotpop.com (Sajith VK)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:35:50 +0530
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM
In-Reply-To: <20040110150632.GC17390@thuille.itc.it>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
	<200401081729.30049.pka@sourcepole.ch>
	<20040108170828.GC6308@intevation.de> <1073645508.881.6.camel@FSFI>
	<20040109113354.GC10364@intevation.de>
	<20040110150632.GC17390@thuille.itc.it>
Message-ID: <1073795850.861.3.camel@FSFI>

Hi,

On ?, 2004-01-10 at 20:36, Markus Neteler wrote:
> If there is interest, I can export VMAP0 data by country to
> any OGR written format to support such project - more than
> 60 vector layers. Technically the country plus some surrounding area
> would be exported. The required scripts are written.
	It will be helpful.

 
B/w I am going to a remote area today. I wont be able to
check mails untill Jan-23. 
	

-- 
Sajith VK <sajithvk at hotpop.com>




From sajithvk at hotpop.com  Sun Jan 11 09:06:34 2004
From: sajithvk at hotpop.com (Sajith VK)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:36:34 +0530
Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Gis CDROM
In-Reply-To: <20040110150632.GC17390@thuille.itc.it>
References: <1073571698.1893.21.camel@FSFI>
	<200401081729.30049.pka@sourcepole.ch>
	<20040108170828.GC6308@intevation.de> <1073645508.881.6.camel@FSFI>
	<20040109113354.GC10364@intevation.de>
	<20040110150632.GC17390@thuille.itc.it>
Message-ID: <1073808349.7105.0.camel@FSFI>

Hi,

On ?, 2004-01-10 at 20:36, Markus Neteler wrote:
> If there is interest, I can export VMAP0 data by country to
> any OGR written format to support such project - more than
> 60 vector layers. Technically the country plus some surrounding area
> would be exported. The required scripts are written.
	It will be helpful.

 
B/w I am going to a remote area today. I wont be able to
check mails untill Jan-23. 
	

-- 
Sajith VK <sajithvk at hotpop.com>




From ametts2 at mindspring.com  Wed Jan 14 01:15:34 2004
From: ametts2 at mindspring.com (Allan Metts)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:15:34 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] Position available - Senior Software Engineer
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040113191507.0271ffe0@pop.mindspring.com>


My apologies if this is considered spam, but I'm pretty sure it's germane 
and beneficial to the list membership...


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enhance the company's unique product offering.  AirSage creates software 
that allows road traffic speeds and other information to be determined from 
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The qualified candidate will possess SEVEN OR MORE of the following 
characteristics:

--*-- At least five years of solid C++ development experience, preferably 
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--*-- Object-Oriented Analysis and Design (OOA&D) expertise

--*-- System Administration expertise on UNIX or Linux

--*-- Significant programming experience using the Standard C++ Library, 
including the Standard Template Library (STL)

--*-- Distributed systems experience using CORBA or a similar technology 
(ACE/TAO is a plus)

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From acroc at oninet.pt  Thu Jan 22 17:35:36 2004
From: acroc at oninet.pt (=?Windows-1252?B?YW50825pbyByb2NoYQ==?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:35:36 +0000
Subject: [Freegis-list] Point location software
Message-ID: <e694d178d7bf4fc0bb916d1f988b34b8@oninet.pt>

Hello
I have been asked to develop a simple GIS solutions to display real time locations available in ASCII or binary files both in geographic and XY positions. The application initial specifications should answer to such simple questions as these. What is the direct distance to the nearest reference point? Who far to get there along the existing roads? The application should be able to be integrated into larger 'conventional' information systems.
Could anyone give any hint about a suitable software to get it done?

Best regards
Antonio Rocha - Portugal
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From Oliver.White at cuesim.com  Wed Jan 28 19:50:15 2004
From: Oliver.White at cuesim.com (Oliver White)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:50:15 -0000
Subject: [Freegis-list] Reading VMAP data
Message-ID: <125FE1323E52AD49BC1BCEDD4109BE5C024E7A@cuesim2k.cuesim.com>

Could anyone help with a question about data conversions?  

We have a set of VMAP data CDs (the National Imagery and Mapping Agency product),
and I'm trying to extract the roads data in some usable format, such as vertex
lists.

Is there a Free Software program which might be able to do this?  I've tried NIMA's
own (discontinued, unsupported) program NIMAUSE, and it failed to read the data, 
complaining that the data was designed for the Solaris version of the program.  Even 
if this were to work, I believe that it's only a viewer, rather than a converter.
NIMA reccommend various Non-Free tools, which is not a useful solution.

NIMA's web-page on the format seems to be unavailable, and VTerrain's notes on
the format have the warning "Don't try to read VPF unless absolutely necessary. 
It's a dog of a format". Looking at the directory structure itself shows many 
thousands of data files, most of them in some sort of binary format.

I will soon have GRASS available, although I've not used it before, and the GRASS
website doesn't list VMAP as a vector input format.  Are there any other Free or GPL tools
which can read such data?  Has anyone successfully converted or imported VMAP into
their data sets, who can say what steps are required?

Many thanks

OJW

http://www.geog.uni-hannover.de/grass/gdp/html_grass5/import.html
http://www.vterrain.org/Culture/vector.html
http://164.214.2.59/vpfproto/


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From warmerdam at pobox.com  Wed Jan 28 19:55:32 2004
From: warmerdam at pobox.com (Frank Warmerdam)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:55:32 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] Reading VMAP data
In-Reply-To: <125FE1323E52AD49BC1BCEDD4109BE5C024E7A@cuesim2k.cuesim.com>
References: <125FE1323E52AD49BC1BCEDD4109BE5C024E7A@cuesim2k.cuesim.com>
Message-ID: <401805A4.1010206@pobox.com>

Oliver White wrote:
> Could anyone help with a question about data conversions?  
> 
> We have a set of VMAP data CDs (the National Imagery and Mapping Agency product),
> and I'm trying to extract the roads data in some usable format, such as vertex
> lists.
> 
> Is there a Free Software program which might be able to do this?  I've tried NIMA's
> own (discontinued, unsupported) program NIMAUSE, and it failed to read the data, 
> complaining that the data was designed for the Solaris version of the program.  Even 
> if this were to work, I believe that it's only a viewer, rather than a converter.
> NIMA reccommend various Non-Free tools, which is not a useful solution.
> 
> NIMA's web-page on the format seems to be unavailable, and VTerrain's notes on
> the format have the warning "Don't try to read VPF unless absolutely necessary. 
> It's a dog of a format". Looking at the directory structure itself shows many 
> thousands of data files, most of them in some sort of binary format.
> 
> I will soon have GRASS available, although I've not used it before, and the GRASS
> website doesn't list VMAP as a vector input format.  Are there any other Free or GPL tools
> which can read such data?  Has anyone successfully converted or imported VMAP into
> their data sets, who can say what steps are required?

Oliver,

The OGDI library and tools includes pretty good VPF/VMAP support.  You
can use the ogdi_import utility distribute with it to convert data to a
shapefile.  Also, OGR supports OGDI so you can use OGR enabled applications
to access VMAP via OGR (such as GRASS, OpenEV, the OGR PostGIS loader,
VTerrain and MapServer).

   http://ogdi.sf.net/

The OpenEV_FW kit includes OGDI support built in.

   http://gdal.maptools.org/dl/openev/OpenEV_FW_163.zip

However, the VPF driver isn't very well documented so it can be pretty hard
to figure out how to use it.   For VMAP0 worldwide data an access url for
the eurasian CD mounted on /mnt/cdrom might look something like:

   gltp:/vrf/mnt/cdrom/v0eur/vmaplv0/eurnasia

OGDI is somewhat sensitive to the naming convension (upper/lower case, and
whether trailing periods are added) used to mount VPF data if done from CD.
As mentioned on the VTerrain site, performance for reading VPF isn't
necessarily all that great so you might want to look at extracting what you
want to a more malliable format.

Good luck,

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