From eduardo at consultoria.eti.br Fri Oct 10 17:25:47 2003 From: eduardo at consultoria.eti.br (Eduardo Patto Kanegae) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:25:47 -0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] (off-topic) geoprocessing lists Message-ID: <20031010152547.3397.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> sorry for the off-topic question but can anybody indicate some mailing list/foruns/links for geoprocessing/geotechnologies and remote sensing discussions. e.g.: I have to evaluate which software is better for customer who works with ArcView 8 as final query tool. And they're asking if they should use AutoCadMAP or ArcEditor... but I don't anyone to answer it... so I'm looking for general discussions lists around the world. Eduardo Patto Kanegae eduardo at consultoria.eti.br http://www.consultoria.eti.br - BRASIL *************************************** ***Fim da Mensagem / End of Message *** *************************************** From acuster at nature.berkeley.edu Sat Oct 11 20:17:46 2003 From: acuster at nature.berkeley.edu (Adrian Custer) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:17:46 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] (off-topic) geoprocessing lists In-Reply-To: <20031010152547.3397.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> References: <20031010152547.3397.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> Message-ID: <1065896266.3603.7.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Hello Mr. Kanegae, It's not that your question is off-topic, but rather that your question seeks a solution *directly opposed* to our work. We are working on trying to solve users needs using *Free* software. You are attempting to solve needs with software which is non-free. Many of us are simply not interested in your question because it works against our efforts. If you become interested in a longer term or harder question of how to transition from non-free to free software then please reformulate your question. If you want to do so, try to explain what your user's needs are in terms of the whole GIS process from initial data through processing steps to final data. If their only requirement is "something that Arc 8 can query", then your final step would be "output to a format readable by Arc 8" whatever those formats may be. Good luck in obtaining the maximum power from your software, adrian On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 08:25, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > sorry for the off-topic question but can anybody indicate some mailing list/foruns/links for geoprocessing/geotechnologies and remote sensing discussions. > > e.g.: I have to evaluate which software is better for customer who works with ArcView 8 as final query tool. And they're asking if they should use AutoCadMAP or ArcEditor... but I don't anyone to answer it... > > so I'm looking for general discussions lists around the world. > > Eduardo Patto Kanegae > eduardo at consultoria.eti.br > http://www.consultoria.eti.br - BRASIL > > *************************************** > ***Fim da Mensagem / End of Message *** > *************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From jan at intevation.de Mon Oct 20 11:26:37 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:26:37 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] FreeGIS: How to report potential new entries and changes Message-ID: <20031020092637.GA3129@intevation.de> Hi, from now on you can submit proposals for potential new entries or changes (or any other issue) via a web-form. The E-Mail method is still valid, of course. Especially, announcements of major releases on the FreeGIS Mailing List are still welcome. See http://freegis.org/bugtracker.en.html for the submission page and http://intevation.de/rt/webrt?q_queue=freegis for the current open issues. The idea behind this change is to make the process more transparent. Thanks to Silke Reimer who updated the web pages accordingly. All the best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From theveny at dt.insu.cnrs.fr Mon Oct 20 15:56:56 2003 From: theveny at dt.insu.cnrs.fr (Pierre-Michel THEVENY) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:56:56 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Is there a GIS that query directly MySQL for data ? Message-ID: <3F9405C8.28262.F82E61E@localhost> Hello, I m a newbie in GIS and I m looking for a GIS who is capable to query directly a database like Oracle or MySql to get data to plot. I have 3 external MySQL database with in the first some satelite images i want to use as background, and two other with localized data such as temperature, aso... So i d like the GIS to directly do the SELECT commands to the 3 database to query the needed information, without having to select and import the data manualy into files before importing them in the GIS. This could be done directly, or by scripting in some language into the GIS Is someone know a such kind of GIS ? Thank you very much for your help PM Theveny INSU/CNRS France From jan at intevation.de Thu Oct 23 14:31:06 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:31:06 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Is there a GIS that query directly MySQL for data ? In-Reply-To: <3F9405C8.28262.F82E61E@localhost> References: <3F9405C8.28262.F82E61E@localhost> Message-ID: <20031023123106.GA2157@intevation.de> Hi Pierre-Michel, On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:56:56PM +0200, Pierre-Michel THEVENY wrote: > I m a newbie in GIS and I m looking for a GIS who is capable to query directly a > database like Oracle or MySql to get data to plot. > > I have 3 external MySQL database with in the first some satelite images i want to use > as background, and two other with localized data such as temperature, aso... > > So i d like the GIS to directly do the SELECT commands to the 3 database to query the > needed information, without having to select and import the data manualy into files > before importing them in the GIS. > > This could be done directly, or by scripting in some language into the GIS > Is someone know a such kind of GIS ? in principle, there are various ways to build a solution you are asking for. But first, you should clearify which type of GIS you want to apply. This questions is related to what type of users you are aiming at, what platform and which frequency of requests. It might come out that you are acually looking for a web-based solution, a so-called desktop GIS or a comprehensive expert tool. For all these types, there are Free Software tools available. You should also think about the aimed operating systems(s), perhaps programming language etc. All the best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From eduardo at consultoria.eti.br Thu Oct 23 15:40:15 2003 From: eduardo at consultoria.eti.br (Eduardo Patto Kanegae) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:40:15 -0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Is there a GIS that query directly MySQL for data ? In-Reply-To: <20031023123106.GA2157@intevation.de> References: <20031023123106.GA2157@intevation.de> Message-ID: <20031023134015.25342.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> I'm not sure about your needs, but take a look at TerraLib and TerraView ( http://www.dpi.inpe.br/terralib/ and http://www.dpi.inpe.br/terraview/ ) Eduardo Patto Kanegae http://www.consultoria.eti.br - BRASIL F?rum ptMapServer - http://www.consultoria.eti.br/mapserverptforum/ ClickBrasil - http://www.consultoria.eti.br/clickbrasil/ *************************************** ***Fim da Mensagem / End of Message *** *************************************** On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:31:06 +0200, Jan-Oliver Wagner escreveu: > De: Jan-Oliver Wagner > Data: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:31:06 +0200 > Para: freegis-list at intevation.de > Assunto: Re: [Freegis-list] Is there a GIS that query directly MySQL for data ? > > Hi Pierre-Michel, > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:56:56PM +0200, Pierre-Michel THEVENY wrote: > > I m a newbie in GIS and I m looking for a GIS who is capable to query directly a > > database like Oracle or MySql to get data to plot. > > > > I have 3 external MySQL database with in the first some satelite images i want to use > > as background, and two other with localized data such as temperature, aso... > > > > So i d like the GIS to directly do the SELECT commands to the 3 database to query the > > needed information, without having to select and import the data manualy into files > > before importing them in the GIS. > > > > This could be done directly, or by scripting in some language into the GIS > > Is someone know a such kind of GIS ? > > in principle, there are various ways to build a solution you are asking > for. > But first, you should clearify which type of GIS you want to apply. This > questions is related to what type of users you are aiming at, what > platform and which frequency of requests. It might come out that you are > acually looking for a web-based solution, a so-called desktop GIS or a > comprehensive expert tool. For all these types, there are Free Software > tools available. You should also think about the aimed operating > systems(s), perhaps programming language etc. > > All the best > > Jan > > -- > Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ > > Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ > FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > > From jan at intevation.de Fri Oct 24 11:23:38 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:23:38 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Is there a GIS that query directly MySQL for data ? In-Reply-To: <20031023134015.25342.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> References: <20031023123106.GA2157@intevation.de> <20031023134015.25342.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> Message-ID: <20031024092338.GE3749@intevation.de> On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:40:15AM -0200, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > I'm not sure about your needs, but take a look at TerraLib and TerraView ( http://www.dpi.inpe.br/terralib/ and http://www.dpi.inpe.br/terraview/ ) While it is clear that TerraLib is Free Software, any proof that TerraView is also Free Software is still lacking. You will find a number of E-Mails in the FreeGIS Mailing List archive on this issue. Therefore, please don't advertise potential proprietary software on this list. I really hope this issue could be solved one day. I don't speak Portuguese, so I can't really clearify. Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From bernhard at intevation.de Fri Oct 24 11:29:25 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:29:25 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Is there a GIS that query directly MySQL for data ? In-Reply-To: <20031023134015.25342.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> References: <20031023123106.GA2157@intevation.de> <20031023134015.25342.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> Message-ID: <20031024092925.GG26129@intevation.de> On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:40:15AM -0200, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > I'm not sure about your needs, but take a look at TerraLib and TerraView ( http://www.dpi.inpe.br/terralib/ and http://www.dpi.inpe.br/terraview/ ) We do not know yet if TerraView is Free Software or not. This is why we cannot recommend it. There is a good chance that it is non-free, as nobody on this list could answer questions about the license or show the source code. See the discussions about it in march: http://intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/2003-March/001265.html Bernhard -- If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20031024/bc0f407a/attachment.bin From gilberto at dpi.inpe.br Fri Oct 24 14:09:43 2003 From: gilberto at dpi.inpe.br (Gilberto Camara) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:09:43 -0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Freegis-list Digest, Vol 3, Issue 5 References: <20031024100006.381A313BC6@lists.intevation.de> Message-ID: <3F991687.4060401@dpi.inpe.br> Dear Bernhard Please let me clarify the information on TerraView. Terraview is free software, and you get the source code for it when you download TerraLib. All TerraView programs are GPL. Quoting a look at the http://www.terralib.org/download.php webpage: "It is important to know that we have, at this stage put all the code for the TerraLib 2.0 Library together with the source code for the TerraView 2.0 Application". We have made it very clear in all our papers and statements that all software developed by INPE related to the TerraLib project will be open source. We have also stated that this is an official decision by the Brazilian government and INPE. I am surprised and astonished by your statement doubting the status of TerraView, which cast an element of doubt in a project which is being conducted with enormous goodwill by the people involved. The open source community has been built on the basis of trust. We have been developing software which is avaliable to the GIS community for 25 years, and there has never been a situation where we have misled any of our users. If you are to lead an initiative such as GIS-L, you should consider other members of the community as trustworthy as you are, unless you provide clear proof that they are breaching your confidence. Therefore, I would like to ask that you correct the status of TerraView in the GIS-L list. Best regards Gilberto ===================================== Dr.Gilberto Camara Director for Earth Observation National Institute for Space Research, Brazil (INPE) Av. dos Astronautas,1.758 - Jd. Granja - 12227-010 S?o Jos? dos Campos - SP - Brasil voice: +55-12-3945-6499 fax: +55-12-3945-6460 home: www.dpi.inpe.br/gilberto ===================================== Message: 4 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:29:25 +0200 From: Bernhard Reiter Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] Is there a GIS that query directly MySQL for data ? To: freegis-list at intevation.de Message-ID: <20031024092925.GG26129 at intevation.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:40:15AM -0200, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: >> I'm not sure about your needs, but take a look at TerraLib and TerraView ( http://www.dpi.inpe.br/terralib/ and http://www.dpi.inpe.br/terraview/ ) > > We do not know yet if TerraView is Free Software or not. This is why we cannot recommend it. There is a good chance that it is non-free, as nobody on this list could answer questions about the license or show the source code. From eduardo at consultoria.eti.br Fri Oct 24 14:26:11 2003 From: eduardo at consultoria.eti.br (Eduardo Patto Kanegae) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:26:11 -0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Is there a GIS that query directly MySQL for data ? In-Reply-To: <20031024092925.GG26129@intevation.de> References: <20031024092925.GG26129@intevation.de> Message-ID: <20031024122611.19411.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> I'm so sorry. I didn't about these lacks of TerraLib. I just took the link at http://freegis.org/search.en.html?search=terralib and gone on. I'll be more carefull before sending any comment. best regards, Eduardo Patto Kanegae http://www.consultoria.eti.br - BRASIL F?rum ptMapServer - http://www.consultoria.eti.br/mapserverptforum/ ClickBrasil - http://www.consultoria.eti.br/clickbrasil/ *************************************** ***Fim da Mensagem / End of Message *** *************************************** On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:29:25 +0200, Bernhard Reiter escreveu: > De: Bernhard Reiter > Data: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:29:25 +0200 > Para: freegis-list at intevation.de > Assunto: Re: [Freegis-list] Is there a GIS that query directly MySQL for data ? > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:40:15AM -0200, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > > I'm not sure about your needs, but take a look at TerraLib and TerraView ( http://www.dpi.inpe.br/terralib/ and http://www.dpi.inpe.br/terraview/ ) > > We do not know yet if TerraView is Free Software or not. > This is why we cannot recommend it. > > > There is a good chance that it is non-free, > as nobody on this list could answer questions about the license > or show the source code. > > See the discussions about it in march: > http://intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/2003-March/001265.html > > Bernhard > -- > If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service: > http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html > > From jan at intevation.de Fri Oct 24 14:53:21 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:53:21 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Is there a GIS that query directly MySQL for data ? In-Reply-To: <20031024122611.19411.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> References: <20031024092925.GG26129@intevation.de> <20031024122611.19411.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> Message-ID: <20031024125321.GB4189@intevation.de> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 10:26:11AM -0200, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > I'm so sorry. I didn't about these lacks of TerraLib. > I just took the link at http://freegis.org/search.en.html?search=terralib and gone on. Terralib is fine. It is Free Software under the GNU LGPL. Ther just has never been a clearification of the status of Terraview. Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From bernhard at intevation.de Fri Oct 24 16:40:19 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:40:19 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Freegis-list Digest, Vol 3, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <3F991687.4060401@dpi.inpe.br> References: <20031024100006.381A313BC6@lists.intevation.de> <3F991687.4060401@dpi.inpe.br> Message-ID: <20031024144019.GB27527@intevation.de> Dear Gilberto, first let me thank you for your answer. It is appreciated that you and INPE care for the Free Software community. Your clarification showed that the situation has improved. Unfortunately the situation is still not as clear as I hoped it would be. Please understand my remarks in that matter as constructive criticism. They shall help you to remove the last obstacles to release TerraView as Free Software without doubts which will benefit everybody. It seems that only some details will need to be improved. There is no doubt about INPE's good will or trustworthiness. On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 10:09:43AM -0200, Gilberto Camara wrote: > Please let me clarify the information on TerraView. > Terraview is free software, and you get the source code > for it when you download TerraLib. All TerraView programs are GPL. > > Quoting a look at the http://www.terralib.org/download.php webpage: > "It is important to know that we have, > at this stage put all the code for the TerraLib 2.0 Library > together with the source code for the TerraView 2.0 Application". [..] > Therefore, I would like to ask that you correct > the status of TerraView in the GIS-L list. In my first email I refered to our last conversation about TerraView's (as opposed to Terralib's) status in March 2003 and some of my questions were left open then. Up to now the situation has improved which I learned just now from your email: It is documented in English how to get the source code for TerraView. So I am starting to examine: c88ed3a9dcb5613b00ca8102d6389744 terralib20.tar.gz size: 3167635 Result: I have not found a licensing statment about terraview in the archive. Also the licensing statement of terralib itself is missing in the archive. There is a public statement at http://www.terralib.org/copyright.html stating that the license of Terralib is GNU LGPL v2.1. TerraView is _not_ mentioned on that page. Thus there are only two public statments about TerraView known to me which you have done in public emails lists. This would not be enough to be sure that Terraview is Free Software. To remove any doubts I suggest adding a statement to the readme file of the mentioned archive that all parts copyright by INPE are Free Software released under GNU LGPL >=v2.1. Also add a copy of the LGPL. Mention that the archive also contains third party software with other license holders and license conditions. I also recommend adding the permission to distribute the files in terralib/drivers/OracleSpatial/ and subdirectories which carry an Oracle copyright notice. I hope that my hints can be helpfull to improve the TerraView distribution making sure that everybody that downloads the archive can read that it is Free Software. Regards, Bernhard > Message: 4 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:29:25 +0200 From: Bernhard Reiter > Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] Is there a GIS that > query directly MySQL for data ? To: freegis-list at intevation.de > Message-ID: <20031024092925.GG26129 at intevation.de> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:40:15AM -0200, > Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > > >>I'm not sure about your needs, but take a look at TerraLib and TerraView > >>( http://www.dpi.inpe.br/terralib/ and http://www.dpi.inpe.br/terraview/ ) > > > > > > We do not know yet if TerraView is Free Software or not. > This is why we cannot recommend it. > > > There is a good chance that it is non-free, > as nobody on this list could answer questions about the license > or show the source code. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20031024/102b0e83/attachment.bin From acuster at nature.berkeley.edu Fri Oct 24 21:04:02 2003 From: acuster at nature.berkeley.edu (Adrian Custer) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:04:02 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] Clearing up the terralib/terraview discussion. In-Reply-To: <20031024125321.GB4189@intevation.de> References: <20031024092925.GG26129@intevation.de> <20031024122611.19411.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> <20031024125321.GB4189@intevation.de> Message-ID: <1067022242.3468.145.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Hey all, We are all suffering from a language gap and from the past discussions over this software. It seems to me that *everyone* means well. Everyone who is reading this please note that the software being distributed as TerraLib has changed since the eariler discussion and many of your earlier notions no longer apply. The current software is distributed as a single tarball with a note on the website that it is to be considered LGPL. This is an effort to clear this up once and for all. Plese, let's work in as gentle a manner as possible. The group that created Terra*, and Dr. Camara in particular, include people we really want to encourage to participate in the FreeGIS effort. First of all, Dr. Camara has repeatedly claimed and suggested that TerraView is also free software. We simply need to clear up why he thinks it is, and why others think its not and come to a resolution. Secondly, and from an outsider view, it looks like this group is moving in the right direction. The group worked on SPRING which looks like it must be a pretty cool piece of software. SPRING is not free, I suspect, by historical accident more than philosphical persuasion. It's free in free beer which, while a minor freedom in free software, shows that the intent was not far from true free software. Note that SPRING was released several years ago, long before, one suspects, the arguments for free software would actually register in an institution like Brazil's INPE. That Dr. Camara and his group have managed to move Terralib to the lgpl is a *huge* step. Could we in the FreeGIS community send an email to Dr. Camera and his group laying out what our reservations are? Here is my example email, if suggestions could go to the list, I would appreciate it. Then perhaps one of the core FreeGIS'ers can actually send it on our behalf. I have cc'ed Dr. Camara to this email since I believe it will explain better what is going on. Please, Dr. Camara note that others may want to add to this explaination; in the current state this is merely my understanding. Also, as an aside I am quite taken by you work on map algebras and hope to think more about them in the future. ******************************************************************** Dear TerraView team, Congratulations on releasing TerraLib as free software, and thanks for the great work. We at the FreeGIS project ( http://www.freegis.org ) are still slightly confused by the license scheme of your software, partly because of how terraview interacts with the Qt library which has its own set of legal restrictions. If you would be willing to work with us to clear this up, we would appreciate your effort and we would then better be able to promote the part of your work that we truely felt was free software. I. Applying the LGPL: -------------------- You clearly intend to release all of this software under the LGPL. You state on your web site, under "Downloads" "Copyright": "This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation - version 2.1." While this should be sufficient to assume all your software is indeed released under the LGPL, simply making this assumption is not a smart legal strategy. To make things safer for everyone, the LGPL asks you to do several things if you want to use it. (Please see: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.html#SEC4 ). Specifically, the LGPL asks you to: 1) start each file with a statement that it's LGPL. 2) include the LGPL in your tarball. (At the bottom of the statement to be included in every file are the words: "You should have received a copy of the GNU Lesser General Public License along with this library".) Looking at a few of the files in your tarball, none of them start with the license statement, and your tarball as a whole does not contain the LGPL. It will require some simple but boring work to change this but it's actually important for various legal jurisdictions. For instance, one of us, Adrian Custer, could not safely use your work because he could not be sure that under california law he would be protected. Once you have taken these two steps, we would all consider your software *code* to be free and could use parts of it to develop other applications. II. Conflicts with Qt: --------------------- However, there is one additional problem which seems to several of us to prevent the compiled result of your code (that is the functional program) to be considered free. The problem is complicated but sufficiently important that it currently prevents us from contributing to and expanding on your work. This arises, not because of your efforts, but because of Trolltech's license and its interaction with your code. Trolltech gives you the right to use Qt as a free software library *only* if you release your software under the GPL (not the LGPL which you use). There would be several ways to resolve this problem but each solution requires work and you would have to decide what you intended to do. 1) you could simply release all your software under the GPL instead of the LGPL. You would have to do steps (1) and (2) above using the GPL instead of the LGPL. 2) you could split your software into two packages and relase TerraLib as LGPL software and TerraView (all the pieces that use Qt) as GPL software. Again you would have to do steps (1) and (2) above for each piece. To make sure there was no confusion, it would be best then to split the two projects. 3) you could switch from the Qt library to another library, like GTK+, which is released under the LGPL and therefore does not lead to this problem. ( To the freegis group: ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS? ) We realize that we are asking you to do a fair amount of work but believe that as a result of this work your software will become more useful to a larger audience. We are all comitted to helping each other build world class software for use in geographic information systems. Please realize that free software is sometimes legally complicated but that all projects must resolve these issues to be successful. Thanks again for your contributions and we look forward to hearing from you what you have chosen to do, The FreeGIS Collaboration including: ... ... Adrian Custer ... ************************************************************************** P.S. So this took longer than I had hoped. Free Software can be work! On the good side, I just got JUMP running correctly recently and am *very* excited about the next year in the Free GIS world. I will soon be able to teach GIS exclusively with free software and free data which is a HUGE step forward. All the best, ciao, adrian From acuster at nature.berkeley.edu Fri Oct 24 21:11:21 2003 From: acuster at nature.berkeley.edu (Adrian Custer) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:11:21 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] Clearing up the terralib/terraview discussion. In-Reply-To: <1067022242.3468.145.camel@tsetse.lab-net> References: <20031024092925.GG26129@intevation.de> <20031024122611.19411.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> <20031024125321.GB4189@intevation.de> <1067022242.3468.145.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Message-ID: <1067022680.3417.149.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Woops, Now I see that there are more complications and that Oracle spatial is involved. This sounds like a great effort, but it will take even more work to get the licensing issues figured out. Dr. Camara it may help you to subdivide your work into several separate libraries each of which ends up licensed separately according to your wishes. best of luck, adrian From acuster at nature.berkeley.edu Fri Oct 24 21:33:55 2003 From: acuster at nature.berkeley.edu (Adrian Custer) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:33:55 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] Clearing up the terralib/terraview discussion. In-Reply-To: <1067022242.3468.145.camel@tsetse.lab-net> References: <20031024092925.GG26129@intevation.de> <20031024122611.19411.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> <20031024125321.GB4189@intevation.de> <1067022242.3468.145.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Message-ID: <1067024035.3467.164.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Sorry, I just realized that my thinking about the interaction with the Qt library is wrong. Dr. Camara, I now see that may be trying to allow something else to happen. By releasing TerraView under the LGPL you allow someone to buy a comercial license from Qt and then still use your your software library/application on top of it. I don't quite know how that would work but I can see that it might. My whole discussion may be wrong. Free thinking is not easy. :-) -- adrian From theinn at celebritydairy.com Sat Oct 25 17:46:27 2003 From: theinn at celebritydairy.com (Brit Pfann) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:46:27 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] a novice needing help Message-ID: Hello, I am a novice GPS user, needing help. I have a bunch of waypoints on my PDA which I collected using a Magellan GPS Companion. Because it was advertised as NMEA compatible, I assumed that the data could be uploaded from my PDA to my computer, but there does not appear to be any obvious way. I have thoroughly searched and read the manufacturer's software manual, the PDA help files, and all the literature, to no avail. There is one mention of "beaming" waypoints from one PDA to another, but that won't help me get the waypoints plottd in a GIS system. The Magellan website has an FAQ that is useless (it suggests that the data may be invsible due to "mulitple user ID's" which is definitely not the problem). Anyone have experience with the PALM operating system and NMEA data? Even if you don't know yourself, I would deeply appreciate you passing me along to someone who might know. Perhaps one of your knows someone who bought one of these GPs Companions? Also, please email me directly as I am not a subscriber to this lovely list. Much obliged, in advance. John theinn at celebritydairy.com John Bonitz Manager, The Inn at Celebrity Dairy http://www.celebritydairy.com/ Phone: (877) 742-5176 From zipf at geoinform.fh-mainz.de Tue Oct 28 09:55:34 2003 From: zipf at geoinform.fh-mainz.de (Alexander Zipf) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:55:34 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] OGC SVG Client Message-ID: <3F9E2F06.5FA89007@geoinform.fh-mainz.de> Hello, I am searching for free internet map clients or libraries that can handle SVG and interact (using OGC standards) with either an OGC WMS that can deliver SVG Maps (such as degree WMS) or with an OGC WFS, that delivers GML which is converted to SVG by Stylesheets etc. but it would be nice to request not only complete layers, but also specified areas (map extends). Traditional WMS clients seem not to handle SVG well, as it is possible within most SVG PlugIns/Applets etc. to zoom and pan the SVG-File without further notice of the map client/server, so GetFeatureInfo Requests use wrong pixel-coordinates. So it seems necessary to log these kind of interactions on the client side to transform the pixel-coordinates. etc. It would also be nice for the client to have some intelligence to put the several svg-files together it already requested. any hints? we are looking mainly fo java/javascript/python solutions, I know about OpenSvgMapServer, but we are not looking for a php-solution. Thank you very much alexander zipf From napo at itc.it Thu Oct 30 11:17:18 2003 From: napo at itc.it (Maurizio Napolitano) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:17:18 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] OGC SVG Client In-Reply-To: <3F9E2F06.5FA89007@geoinform.fh-mainz.de> References: <3F9E2F06.5FA89007@geoinform.fh-mainz.de> Message-ID: <1067509038.4753.7.camel@toriamos> Il mar, 2003-10-28 alle 09:55, Alexander Zipf ha scritto: > any hints? > we are looking mainly fo java/javascript/python solutions, I know about > OpenSvgMapServer, but we are not looking for a php-solution. > > Thank you very much > alexander zipf Probably geoserver is the right answer for you http://geoserver.sourceforge.net/html/index.php but ... use the Adobe SVG plugin to display the maps ... if you want you can find a solution by using gistoolkit (http://gistoolkit.sourceforge.net) The last version can export the data in SVG. I'm sure that you can find the same solution by using the Vividsolutions products like "JTS" and "JUMP" with "Batik" (from the apache project) and have the same result. In this time i'm very interested about this, if you want we can work togheter. Bye From jan at intevation.de Thu Oct 30 11:41:15 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:41:15 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] OGC SVG Client In-Reply-To: <1067509038.4753.7.camel@toriamos> References: <3F9E2F06.5FA89007@geoinform.fh-mainz.de> <1067509038.4753.7.camel@toriamos> Message-ID: <20031030104115.GC4423@intevation.de> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 11:17:18AM +0100, Maurizio Napolitano wrote: > Probably geoserver is the right answer for you > http://geoserver.sourceforge.net/html/index.php > but ... use the Adobe SVG plugin to display the maps > > ... if you want you can find a solution by using gistoolkit > (http://gistoolkit.sourceforge.net) > The last version can export the data in SVG. Both projects seem to have made substantial progress since last update in FreeGIS. I just updated both. -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From bernhard at intevation.de Thu Oct 30 12:04:38 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:04:38 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Clearing up the terralib/terraview discussion. In-Reply-To: <1067024035.3467.164.camel@tsetse.lab-net> References: <20031024092925.GG26129@intevation.de> <20031024122611.19411.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> <20031024125321.GB4189@intevation.de> <1067022242.3468.145.camel@tsetse.lab-net> <1067024035.3467.164.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Message-ID: <20031030110438.GA22564@intevation.de> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:33:55PM -0700, Adrian Custer wrote: > By releasing TerraView under the LGPL you allow someone > to buy a comercial license from Qt and then still use your > your software library/application on top of it. I don't quite know how > that would work but I can see that it might. It is correct that the Lesser GNU General Public License allows linking with proprietary software (e.g. the proprietary versions of Qt). Thus I don't see the need for action here. -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20031030/95bd76f9/attachment.bin From bernhard at intevation.de Thu Oct 30 12:07:52 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:07:52 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Clearing up the terralib/terraview discussion. In-Reply-To: <1067022680.3417.149.camel@tsetse.lab-net> References: <20031024092925.GG26129@intevation.de> <20031024122611.19411.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> <20031024125321.GB4189@intevation.de> <1067022242.3468.145.camel@tsetse.lab-net> <1067022680.3417.149.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Message-ID: <20031030110752.GB22564@intevation.de> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:21PM -0700, Adrian Custer wrote: > Now I see that there are more complications and that Oracle spatial is > involved. This sounds like a great effort, but it will take even more > work to get the licensing issues figured out. > > Dr. Camara it may help you to subdivide your work into several separate > libraries each of which ends up licensed separately according to your > wishes. It would be fine to use a license allowing the linking of proprietary components. There is no need for several licenses then. The only possible obstacle, which has to be taken care of is that it must be possible to relink the combined work with the proprietary part if you improve the Free Software part. -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20031030/a6be81b5/attachment.bin From bernhard at intevation.de Thu Oct 30 12:18:53 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:18:53 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Clearing up the terralib/terraview discussion. In-Reply-To: <1067022242.3468.145.camel@tsetse.lab-net> References: <20031024092925.GG26129@intevation.de> <20031024122611.19411.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> <20031024125321.GB4189@intevation.de> <1067022242.3468.145.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Message-ID: <20031030111853.GC22564@intevation.de> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:04:02PM -0700, Adrian Custer wrote: > This is an effort to clear this up once and for all. Plese, let's work > in as gentle a manner as possible. The group that created Terra*, and > Dr. Camara in particular, include people we really want to encourage to > participate in the FreeGIS effort. > > First of all, Dr. Camara has repeatedly claimed and suggested that > TerraView is also free software. We simply need to clear up why he > thinks it is, and why others think its not and come to a resolution. My direct answer to Dr. Camara as you can see in the list archives contained all the obstacles I see for TerraView and TerraLib. Together with your helpful and calm suggestions especially about how to apply the LGPL, I believe that we from the FreeGIS Project politely pointed out the critical points. If you feel that my wording was impolite in my post I would be happy to have another person like you explain it differently. Thus I think that we can now hope for feedback from Dr. Camara, being prepared answering more detailed questions. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20031030/27080d23/attachment.bin From cavallini at faunalia.it Thu Oct 30 18:11:18 2003 From: cavallini at faunalia.it (Paolo Cavallini) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:11:18 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] phpgis Message-ID: <200310301811.20268.cavallini@faunalia.it> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all! Does somebody know whether phpgis is still alive? I am trying to connect to their site http://www.phpgis.org, without results. All the best. Paolo - -- Paolo Cavallini cavallini at faunalia.it www.faunalia.it GPG signature/firma digitale @: www.faunalia.it/Public_key_Paolo.asc Piazza Garibaldi 5 56025 Pontedera (PI) Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 - ------------------------------------------ Lavoro esclusivamente con software libero. I use exclusively free software. www.gnu.org / www.linux.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oUY2/NedwLUzIr4RAtVQAKC08QJ0L6ERpNjS9a8QSTKbdUjcbQCdHkQ7 Wn1NCQMlLSwqI6S7kwB1QZQ= =MSxO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sholl at gmx.net Thu Oct 30 18:45:14 2003 From: sholl at gmx.net (Stephan Holl) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:45:14 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Free DXF-Viewer, Converter? Message-ID: <20031030184514.269b9bc1.sholl@gmx.net> Dear Free-GIS-List, I am looking for a tool which reads AutoCAD DXF-files, perhaps it can convert to some other GIS-format (e.g. shape, Postgis). Lx-viewer was found, but it needs the OpenDWG-libs, which are proprietary. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Stephan Holl -- Stephan Holl GnuPG Key-ID: 11946A09 18:41:50 up 1:29, 1 user, load average: 1.24, 0.93, 0.45 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20031030/11cc4520/attachment.bin From eduardo at consultoria.eti.br Thu Oct 30 19:11:14 2003 From: eduardo at consultoria.eti.br (Eduardo Patto Kanegae) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:11:14 -0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Free DXF-Viewer, Converter? In-Reply-To: <20031030184514.269b9bc1.sholl@gmx.net> References: <20031030184514.269b9bc1.sholl@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20031030181114.23935.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> Eduardo Patto Kanegae http://www.consultoria.eti.br - BRASIL F?rum ptMapServer - http://www.consultoria.eti.br/mapserverptforum/ ClickBrasil - http://www.consultoria.eti.br/clickbrasil/ *************************************** ***Fim da Mensagem / End of Message *** *************************************** using SPRING ( www.dpi.inpe.br/spring ) u can import DXF files to a spring database, then export it to shapefile format. and there's other tool , which I can't remember the link, that's "CAD2Shape". regards. On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:45:14 +0100, Stephan Holl escreveu: > De: Stephan Holl > Data: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:45:14 +0100 > Para: FreeGIS-Liste > Assunto: [Freegis-list] Free DXF-Viewer, Converter? > > > Dear Free-GIS-List, > > I am looking for a tool which reads AutoCAD DXF-files, perhaps it can > convert to some other GIS-format (e.g. shape, Postgis). > > Lx-viewer was found, but it needs the OpenDWG-libs, which are > proprietary. > Any help will be appreciated. > > Thanks in advance. > > Stephan Holl > > -- > Stephan Holl > > GnuPG Key-ID: 11946A09 > > 18:41:50 up 1:29, 1 user, load average: 1.24, 0.93, 0.45 > > From bernhard at intevation.de Thu Oct 30 19:18:21 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:18:21 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Free DXF-Viewer, Converter? In-Reply-To: <20031030181114.23935.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> References: <20031030184514.269b9bc1.sholl@gmx.net> <20031030181114.23935.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> Message-ID: <20031030181821.GB32253@intevation.de> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 04:11:14PM -0200, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > using SPRING ( www.dpi.inpe.br/spring ) > > and there's other tool , > that's "CAD2Shape". To my best knowledge SPRING and cad2Shape are non-free. Please do not recommend proprietary software on this list. There are many places where people can get information about proprietary software. The original poster explicitely mentioned that he rejected some library because it is non-free. > On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:45:14 +0100, Stephan Holl escreveu: > > I am looking for a tool which reads AutoCAD DXF-files, perhaps it can > > convert to some other GIS-format (e.g. shape, Postgis). > > > > Lx-viewer was found, but it needs the OpenDWG-libs, which are > > proprietary. -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20031030182044.GC32253@intevation.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Bernhard Reiter wrote: >On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 06:45:14PM +0100, Stephan Holl wrote: >> I am looking for a tool which reads AutoCAD DXF-files, perhaps it can >> convert to some other GIS-format (e.g. shape, Postgis). > >There are several libraries you can find on freegis.org. >Those libraries aren't perfect yet. >Maybe some of them come with small tools to let you transform >the data. Otherwise they probably are good start to begin >writing a script doing this. > >DIME probably is the most advanced library. Hi, You might take a look at QCAD (http://www.qcad.org), which is GPLed software, able to import DXF and export to at least PDF. From mguerra at prodemge.gov.br Thu Oct 30 20:46:25 2003 From: mguerra at prodemge.gov.br (Marcio Guerra) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:46:25 -0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Free DXF-Viewer, Converter? In-Reply-To: <20031030181821.GB32253@intevation.de> References: <20031030184514.269b9bc1.sholl@gmx.net> <20031030181114.23935.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> <20031030181821.GB32253@intevation.de> Message-ID: Bernhard Reiter wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 04:11:14PM -0200, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > > >>using SPRING ( www.dpi.inpe.br/spring ) >> >>and there's other tool , >>that's "CAD2Shape". > > > To my best knowledge SPRING and cad2Shape are non-free. > Please do not recommend proprietary software on this list. > There are many places where people > can get information about proprietary software. SPRING is freeware but not OpenSource : "Permitted Uses YOU may install SPRING onto the permanent storage device(s) on the computer system(s) and/or specific computer network(s), and YOU may use the Software and Related Materials without a licensee fee on your computer system and your computer network. YOU may reproduce and redistribute SPRING in executable code to third parties provided that the Software are reproduced and redistributed in its entirety, this Software License Agreement accompanies each copy of the Software, all copyright and trademark notices are reproduced, and that there is no charge, fee, or cost otherwise associated with providing such copies to third parties." See License in http://www.dpi.inpe.br/spring/english/license.html From raanders at acm.org Fri Oct 31 00:18:39 2003 From: raanders at acm.org (Roderick A. Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:18:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Freegis-list] Free DXF-Viewer, Converter? In-Reply-To: <20031030181114.23935.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > Eduardo Patto Kanegae > http://www.consultoria.eti.br - BRASIL > F?rum ptMapServer - http://www.consultoria.eti.br/mapserverptforum/ > ClickBrasil - http://www.consultoria.eti.br/clickbrasil/ > *************************************** > ***Fim da Mensagem / End of Message *** > *************************************** > > using SPRING ( www.dpi.inpe.br/spring ) u can import DXF files to a > spring database, then export it to shapefile format. and there's other > tool , which I can't remember the link, that's "CAD2Shape". regards. Well I downloaded and installed it on a Windows system. Problem is the documentation is not-English (kind of my fault since I never went beyond 11th grade Spanish ... 30+ years ago and I have never tried Portuguese :-) and the import of data is not as intutive as I'd hoped it would be. We're looking for - mostly for mapping - software that is free, runs on the #$%^& Windows machines I'm stuck with here (My Linux box is at home ;-) and imports/exporst many format. Anyone have some solid examples (in English) of importing DXF or Shapefile data into SPRING they can share? TIA, Rod -- "Open Source Software - Sometimes you get more than you paid for..." From jan at intevation.de Fri Oct 31 12:56:40 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:56:40 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Free DXF-Viewer, Converter? In-Reply-To: References: <20031030182044.GC32253@intevation.de> Message-ID: <20031031115640.GA6086@intevation.de> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 08:21:18PM +0100, Olivier Kaloudoff wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > >On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 06:45:14PM +0100, Stephan Holl wrote: > >> I am looking for a tool which reads AutoCAD DXF-files, perhaps it can > >> convert to some other GIS-format (e.g. shape, Postgis). > > > >There are several libraries you can find on freegis.org. > >Those libraries aren't perfect yet. > >Maybe some of them come with small tools to let you transform > >the data. Otherwise they probably are good start to begin > >writing a script doing this. > > > >DIME probably is the most advanced library. > > Hi, You might take a look at QCAD (http://www.qcad.org), > which is GPLed software, able to import DXF and export > to at least PDF. qcad uses dxflib which is listed on FreeGIS. dxflib is LGPL. Seems that the latest releases of the library are part of the qcad source archives. -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From bernhard at intevation.de Fri Oct 31 16:43:42 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:43:42 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] SPRING is non-free! In-Reply-To: References: <20031030184514.269b9bc1.sholl@gmx.net> <20031030181114.23935.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> <20031030181821.GB32253@intevation.de> Message-ID: <20031031154342.GA3723@intevation.de> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 05:46:25PM -0200, Marcio Guerra wrote: > Bernhard Reiter wrote: > >On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 04:11:14PM -0200, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > > > > > >>using SPRING ( www.dpi.inpe.br/spring ) > >To my best knowledge SPRING and cad2Shape are non-free. > >Please do not recommend proprietary software on this list. > >There are many places where people > >can get information about proprietary software. > SPRING is freeware but not OpenSource : "Freeware" usually labels non-free software. It is a confusing word [1]. I recommend to avoid it. Free Software on this list is defined by the four freedom put forward by the FSF in the late 1980s. "Open Source" is a failed marketing term from 1998 trying to describe the same set of software by definition. You can read about why we speak about Free Software [2]. The following URL http://www.dpi.inpe.br/spring/english/download.html clearly shows that SPRING is non-free software: What are the Licensing Conditions for SPRING? [..] You are not allowed to modify, to sell or to lend the software, and you should redistribute the entire program. Bernhard [1] http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Freeware [2] http://fsfeurope.org/documents/whyfs.en.html -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20031031/4cca0766/attachment.bin From bernhard at intevation.de Fri Oct 31 16:45:43 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:45:43 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Free DXF-Viewer, Converter? In-Reply-To: References: <20031030181114.23935.qmail@hm47.locaweb.com.br> Message-ID: <20031031154543.GB3723@intevation.de> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 03:18:39PM -0800, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > > using SPRING > > u can ... > We're looking for - mostly for mapping - software that is free, runs on > the #$%^& Windows machines I'm stuck with here SPRING is proprietary software as explained in other posts. Please don't ask or give help for non-free programm on this mailing list. The purpose of this list is to support Free Software! -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20031031/ff895807/attachment.bin From bush at sunenv.com.au Thu Oct 30 08:50:17 2003 From: bush at sunenv.com.au (Bush Ahmed) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:50:17 +1100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Unable to edit shapefiles converted from autocad drawings References: <20031026110003.AD5E313BC9@lists.intevation.de> Message-ID: <003101c39eba$77fb2800$0e00a8c0@Bush> 1. I can add an Autocad drawing or dxf drawing (or parts thereof) as a theme to a view in the ArcView. I can't edit these. However even when I convert these to a shapefile under Theme menu, I still am unable to edit the resulting shapefile. The Start Editing... commands are still greyed out. I find this a real pain. I am forced to use a very 'unfriendly' Autocad program to edit the drawing before adding it to ArcView again. 2. The annotation (text) which comes in Autocad or dxf drawing is visible (added as theme) in ArcView but I can't edit or move it, nor can I convert it to a shapefile. Its 'position' gets converted as a 'line' instead. I frequently need to convert drawings from agd66 to gda94 and the ability to edit vector data or annotation (e.g. contours values) will help greatly. Can you help please? Bush