From bernhard at intevation.de Tue Jan 7 12:56:24 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:56:24 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Format libraries in conversion category now Message-ID: <20030107115624.GF601@intevation.de> Dear FreeGIS friends, the freegis.org website still keeps growing as we are up to 185 entries now. Of course we indent to keep our position as unrivaled overview site for Free Software related to geographic information processing. For this we are welcoming your input and support, as always. Just if you wonder, I've just put a couple of libraries dealing with one dataformat from the "misc/fun" into the "file-format conversion" category. This also lowered the number in the "misc/fun" category which is larger as most of the others. Let me know how useful you find our categorisation in general. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20030107/434ae6fa/attachment.bin From jan at intevation.de Fri Jan 10 09:24:52 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:24:52 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Comments on your open letter concerning funding and pricing of ge ographic information In-Reply-To: <55BBFAB552D4D511BE390002A5ADBDBFF7CC1E@postdrux.lmv.lm.se> References: <55BBFAB552D4D511BE390002A5ADBDBFF7CC1E@postdrux.lmv.lm.se> Message-ID: <20030110082452.GA14331@intevation.de> [ This is an answer on the EGIP Mailing List crossposted to the FreeGIS Mailing List ] On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 10:22:39AM +0100, Sandgren Ulf wrote: >... > I am convinced that the model for financing and pricing of fundamental > geographic and property data in Europe - in general terms - is sound and > fair for all involved parties. However, it is always possible to improve the > model in order to stimulate an even wider use of geographic information and > to achieve an optimal distribution of the costs. An example of this is to > introduce Internet based services where it is free of charge to have a look > at the data, but you have to pay for downloading different products. > > You seem to be very found of the U.S. system, where it is "free of charge" >... the fundamental problem in all these statements is that it discusses costs rather than freedoms to use the data. The US data for example are not 'free of charge' - they are free to use! You may charge for it if you like. You may copy your CDs for free if you like. Furthermore: You may use the free data for any purpose you like, e.g. build an application around it, give it away to everyone interested and perhaps sell services based on this. Geographic information play an essential role in everybodies life today. But with a concept as described above (and true for the EU today) only few have control over these data to use it for gaining knowledge others can not gain. Nor can the people check the valididy of statements based on such geographic information. A fundamental threat to a democratic society. To achieve measures to ensure freedom in future society, the following is an important task: As a first step, European mapping agencies have to release some nation-wide datasets that are of use for various scientifc issues and support mapping. They must be released in the highest available resolution. A digital river network with all attributes like flows appears as a good start to me, but there may be other good ideas. With this, the agencies can learn about dealing with Free Geographic Data. E.g. there will be feedback on errors, missing stuff and updates. This may well lead to a shift in the task of national mapping agencies: Moderation, management and quality control of the submitted data improvements rather than ditiziing themselves. Benefits and problems can be identified if this is tried seriously. Structures and procedures will emerge to learn from and perhaps a clear vision on how to release and handle further Free Data. It will also give companies time to find their place in this concept and how they benefit most from it. Best Jan-Oliver Wagner -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From hjerm at frisurf.no Tue Jan 14 18:52:15 2003 From: hjerm at frisurf.no (Erik ) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:52:15 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Dear Gis Geeks Message-ID: <000c01c2bbf5$acf78740$0100a8c0@ERIK> My name is Erik Hjermstad. I am developing yet another vehiacle car tracking system. The hardware part is 90%, but I have difficulties with the map part. The system is set to read mapinfo maps (.tab) files, with projection on wgs84. I am trying to find a solution to convert ordinary scanned maps .tiff.jpeg, and convert them to mapinfo format. Any solutions anybody !!!! Best Regards from Erik Hjermstad Cell +47 918 000 13 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20030114/07cbf568/attachment.html From knox at mcilwain.net Thu Jan 16 20:14:07 2003 From: knox at mcilwain.net (Knox McIlwain) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:14:07 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS for Crime Statistics Message-ID: Dear FreeGIS Community - I am looking for a simple, web-based GIS system that I can use to map crime statistics by location, date, time of day, and type of crime. I am new to GIS applications, and am somewhat overwhelmed by the options. Can anyone give me advice on which systems to pursue or groups I should contact? I live in a neighborhood in Washington, DC that has seen a recent increase in crime. Many of the citizens - myself included - are actively working with the police and on our own to make our neighborhood safer. All of the crime GIS data that we want exists, but the DC government has failed to make it available in a useful manner. We can get paper reports, but not access to their GIS application (which they said they would make public, but never have). As many of you have heard, we have a barely functioning city government, so we are looking to ourselves for answers. The most important thing we need to be able to do is identify "hot spots" of criminal activity and days or times of day when crime is more likely to occur. With this information we can better coordinate civilian patrols and present hard data to the police (who, in the absence of data, frequently tell us to leave them alone and let them do their job). Any resources you could point me to for a GIS system I can use to plot and analyze crime data would be greatly appreciated and help make our neighborhood safer. Respectfully, - Knox McIlwain PS - Please forgive me if my questions are newbie or off topic - if so, I will look elsewhere for advice. From benenet at free.fr Fri Jan 17 17:54:30 2003 From: benenet at free.fr (Benoit =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=E9ler?=) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:54:30 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS for Crime Statistics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030117175254.0267d348@pop.free.fr> See this adress : http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/NACJD/crimestat.html Ben. >Dear FreeGIS Community - > >I am looking for a simple, web-based GIS system that I can use to map crime >statistics by location, date, time of day, and type of crime. I am new to >GIS applications, and am somewhat overwhelmed by the options. Can anyone >give me advice on which systems to pursue or groups I should contact? > >I live in a neighborhood in Washington, DC that has seen a recent increase >in crime. Many of the citizens - myself included - are actively working with >the police and on our own to make our neighborhood safer. All of the crime >GIS data that we want exists, but the DC government has failed to make it >available in a useful manner. We can get paper reports, but not access to >their GIS application (which they said they would make public, but never >have). As many of you have heard, we have a barely functioning city >government, so we are looking to ourselves for answers. > >The most important thing we need to be able to do is identify "hot spots" of >criminal activity and days or times of day when crime is more likely to >occur. With this information we can better coordinate civilian patrols and >present hard data to the police (who, in the absence of data, frequently >tell us to leave them alone and let them do their job). > >Any resources you could point me to for a GIS system I can use to plot and >analyze crime data would be greatly appreciated and help make our >neighborhood safer. > >Respectfully, > >- Knox McIlwain > >PS - Please forgive me if my questions are newbie or off topic - if so, I >will look elsewhere for advice. > >_______________________________________________ >Freegis-list mailing list >Freegis-list at intevation.de >https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.multigeo.com http://www.georama.net 04-76-48-60-22 06-99-64-02-91 La G?ographie ? l'?re du num?rique ----------------------------------------------------- From bernhard at intevation.de Fri Jan 17 18:05:41 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:05:41 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS for Crime Statistics In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030117175254.0267d348@pop.free.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030117175254.0267d348@pop.free.fr> Message-ID: <20030117170541.GB32663@intevation.de> On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 05:54:30PM +0100, Benoit V?ler wrote: > See this adress : > > http://www. .edu/NACJD/crimestat.html The mentioned application does not seem to be Free Software. Please do not advertise propriet?re Software on this list. > >I am looking for a simple, web-based GIS system that I can use to map crime > >statistics by location, date, time of day, and type of crime. I am new to > >GIS applications, and am somewhat overwhelmed by the options. Can anyone > >give me advice on which systems to pursue or groups I should contact? What you want basically is something that displays point data (crime locations) regarding their attributes (e.g. morning=green, night=blue) over a base map (e.g. your city quarters or streets). An advanced application would be to plot densities for certain areas. > >The most important thing we need to be able to do is identify "hot spots" > >of criminal activity and days or times of day when crime is more likely to > >occur. With this information we can better coordinate civilian patrols and > >present hard data to the police > >Any resources you could point me to for a GIS system I can use to plot and > >analyze crime data would be greatly appreciated and help make our > >neighborhood safer. It can certainly be done with the tools you can find on freegis.org. Still you would need some expertise to build the application itself as there is no ready available system for crime analysis ready yet. I suggest trying to find a GIS analyst/programmer which will help you to pick a free software component he is familiar with and hands on build the application for you. Mapserver certainly can server base maps and point information. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20030117/560747b8/attachment.bin From acuster at nature.berkeley.edu Fri Jan 17 18:14:32 2003 From: acuster at nature.berkeley.edu (Adrian Custer) Date: 17 Jan 2003 09:14:32 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS for Crime Statistics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1042823672.26521.11.camel@tsetse.lab-net> How to lie with maps 101: I hope you are not going to claim that you are mapping "crime" unless you include the graft, corruption, embezzlement, perjuries and the other upper class crimes in that great capital city. DC, and its cigar smoking forces of repression, is famous for talking up all the crimes committed by the poorer segments of society. Then, those crimes are labelled "crime" or "violent crime" so as to get citizens believing that the crimes of the poorer segments of society are the crimes to worry about. No doubt they will gladly feed you the relevant statistics as they hassle and insult the homeless while chomping on big fat cigars. (Yes, I had a wonderfully peaceful experience watching the "peace" officers during my last visit.) So enjoy the free software for your political goals whatever they may be, but don't be surprised if people like me throw labels out at the sites that purport to map "crime" and merely map "maps that help keep the system of violent repression strong." best of luck to do this well, adrian On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 11:14, Knox McIlwain wrote: > Dear FreeGIS Community - > > I am looking for a simple, web-based GIS system that I can use to map crime > statistics by location, date, time of day, and type of crime. I am new to > GIS applications, and am somewhat overwhelmed by the options. Can anyone > give me advice on which systems to pursue or groups I should contact? > > I live in a neighborhood in Washington, DC that has seen a recent increase > in crime. Many of the citizens - myself included - are actively working with > the police and on our own to make our neighborhood safer. All of the crime > GIS data that we want exists, but the DC government has failed to make it > available in a useful manner. We can get paper reports, but not access to > their GIS application (which they said they would make public, but never > have). As many of you have heard, we have a barely functioning city > government, so we are looking to ourselves for answers. > > The most important thing we need to be able to do is identify "hot spots" of > criminal activity and days or times of day when crime is more likely to > occur. With this information we can better coordinate civilian patrols and > present hard data to the police (who, in the absence of data, frequently > tell us to leave them alone and let them do their job). > > Any resources you could point me to for a GIS system I can use to plot and > analyze crime data would be greatly appreciated and help make our > neighborhood safer. > > Respectfully, > > - Knox McIlwain > > PS - Please forgive me if my questions are newbie or off topic - if so, I > will look elsewhere for advice. > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > From dietrick at bbn.com Sun Jan 19 18:20:21 2003 From: dietrick at bbn.com (Don Dietrick) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 12:20:21 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Freegis-list digest, Vol 1 #486 - 4 msgs In-Reply-To: <20030118110003.29619.74461.Mailman@doto.intevation.de> Message-ID: <49CEE692-2BD2-11D7-97EB-000393033D5C@bbn.com> I thought this was the Free *GIS* mailing list, not the free *BS* mailing list. Anyway, Knox, it sounds like your biggest problem might be geocoding the crime scene locations. You could get some TIGER shape data for a map of your neighborhood (you can find it for free with a web search, available from the Census Bureau), and that might help in locating the scenes spatially (I'm assuming that you just have addresses, and that the crime scene locations don't have lat/lon attributes). You'll have to look up the addresses in the .dbf file, and then reference the street geometry in the .shp file in order to figure out how to position your data on the map. Like Berhard said, you will probably need to have a little coding done to cobble this process together. OpenMap components could be used to do this, and you can download the package at http://openmap.bbn.com. Good luck, Don On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 06:00 AM, freegis-list-request at intevation.de wrote: > How to lie with maps 101: > > I hope you are not going to claim that you are mapping "crime" unless > you include the graft, corruption, embezzlement, perjuries and the > other > upper class crimes in that great capital city. DC, and its cigar > smoking > forces of repression, is famous for talking up all the crimes committed > by the poorer segments of society. Then, those crimes are labelled > "crime" or "violent crime" so as to get citizens believing that the > crimes of the poorer segments of society are the crimes to worry about. > No doubt they will gladly feed you the relevant statistics as they > hassle and insult the homeless while chomping on big fat cigars. (Yes, > I > had a wonderfully peaceful experience watching the "peace" officers > during my last visit.) > > So enjoy the free software for your political goals whatever they may > be, but don't be surprised if people like me throw labels out at the > sites that purport to map "crime" and merely map "maps that help keep > the system of violent repression strong." > > best of luck to do this well, > adrian > > > On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 11:14, Knox McIlwain wrote: >> Dear FreeGIS Community - >> >> I am looking for a simple, web-based GIS system that I can use to map >> crime >> statistics by location, date, time of day, and type of crime. I am >> new to >> GIS applications, and am somewhat overwhelmed by the options. Can >> anyone >> give me advice on which systems to pursue or groups I should contact? >> >> I live in a neighborhood in Washington, DC that has seen a recent >> increase >> in crime. Many of the citizens - myself included - are actively >> working with >> the police and on our own to make our neighborhood safer. All of the >> crime >> GIS data that we want exists, but the DC government has failed to >> make it >> available in a useful manner. We can get paper reports, but not >> access to >> their GIS application (which they said they would make public, but >> never >> have). As many of you have heard, we have a barely functioning city >> government, so we are looking to ourselves for answers. >> >> The most important thing we need to be able to do is identify "hot >> spots" of >> criminal activity and days or times of day when crime is more likely >> to >> occur. With this information we can better coordinate civilian >> patrols and >> present hard data to the police (who, in the absence of data, >> frequently >> tell us to leave them alone and let them do their job). >> >> Any resources you could point me to for a GIS system I can use to >> plot and >> analyze crime data would be greatly appreciated and help make our >> neighborhood safer. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> - Knox McIlwain >> >> PS - Please forgive me if my questions are newbie or off topic - if >> so, I >> will look elsewhere for advice. From jan at intevation.de Sun Jan 19 19:31:03 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 19:31:03 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Dear Gis Geeks In-Reply-To: <000c01c2bbf5$acf78740$0100a8c0@ERIK> References: <000c01c2bbf5$acf78740$0100a8c0@ERIK> Message-ID: <20030119183103.GB18934@intevation.de> On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 06:52:15PM +0100, Erik wrote: > I am trying to find a solution to convert ordinary scanned maps > .tiff.jpeg, and convert them to mapinfo format. Depending on the application your are developing this probably means to create vector data from raster. A major task for which you would need a full GIS system like GRASS http://grass.itc.it/index.html If you just want to have the raster images as background, geotiff would be OK. You may issue GDAL/OGR to read the data you want to display. http://www.remotesensing.org/gdal/ Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From shadow at dementia.org Sun Jan 19 21:15:36 2003 From: shadow at dementia.org (Derrick J Brashear) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:15:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Freegis-list] shapefile drawing tool? Message-ID: I suspect what I'm after exists, and I'm just not finding it. Several tools seemed close until I tried them. I want to display a GeoTIFF and draw properly georeferenced shapefile on top of it (using the GeoTIFF simply as a reference for where the points should be) If any of you knows of such a tool, I'd like to hear about it. Thanks. From bernhard at intevation.de Sun Jan 19 22:07:52 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:07:52 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] shapefile drawing tool? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030119210752.GA20411@intevation.de> That task generally is called (on screen) digitising. GRASS of course can do this, then you can export the vector data as shapefile. Bernhard On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 03:15:36PM -0500, Derrick J Brashear wrote: > I suspect what I'm after exists, and I'm just not finding it. Several > tools seemed close until I tried them. > > I want to display a GeoTIFF and draw properly georeferenced shapefile on > top of it (using the GeoTIFF simply as a reference for where the points > should be) > > If any of you knows of such a tool, I'd like to hear about it. Thanks. -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20030119/1a625831/attachment.bin From shadow at dementia.org Mon Jan 20 07:10:38 2003 From: shadow at dementia.org (Derrick J Brashear) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 01:10:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Freegis-list] shapefile drawing tool? Message-ID: > That task generally is called (on screen) digitising. > GRASS of course can do this, > then you can export the vector data as shapefile. GRASS seems like a tactical nuke when I'm looking for a bb gun, though, more effort than the problem requires. I will revisit GRASS, thanks for the reply. From dlipan at pcrai.ro Mon Jan 20 07:31:11 2003 From: dlipan at pcrai.ro (Dragos Lipan) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:31:11 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] shapefile drawing tool? References: Message-ID: <3E2B97AF.1090100@pcrai.ro> Derrick J Brashear wrote: >>That task generally is called (on screen) digitising. >>GRASS of course can do this, >>then you can export the vector data as shapefile. >> >> > >GRASS seems like a tactical nuke when I'm looking for a bb gun, though, >more effort than the problem requires. > >I will revisit GRASS, thanks for the reply. > > >_______________________________________________ >Freegis-list mailing list >Freegis-list at intevation.de >https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > http://qgis.sourceforge.net -- ---------------------------- Dragos Lipan TI Parcul National Piatra Craiului 2223 Zarnesti Str. Raului. 27 Tel/fax (04)(068)223008 dlipan at pcrai.ro From shadow at dementia.org Mon Jan 20 08:03:42 2003 From: shadow at dementia.org (Derrick J Brashear) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 02:03:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Freegis-list] shapefile drawing tool? In-Reply-To: <3E2B97AF.1090100@pcrai.ro> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Dragos Lipan wrote: > http://qgis.sourceforge.net Perhaps not: QgsRasterLayer::QgsRasterLayer() { } void QgsRasterLayer::draw(QPainter * p, QRect * viewExtent) { } Frank Warmerdam wrote: > The OpenEV application would allow you to do this. One downside is that > it doesn't save a .prj file with the shapefiles. Also you may, or may > not find the editing capabilities to your liking. I had forgotten OpenEV, though, which is sort of stupid of me given that I've been tracking the CVS repository for at least a year. It will probably work for my purposes. From bernhard at intevation.de Mon Jan 20 11:03:24 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:03:24 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] shapefile drawing tool? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030120100324.GA25725@intevation.de> On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:10:38AM -0500, Derrick J Brashear wrote: > > That task generally is called (on screen) digitising. > > GRASS of course can do this, > > then you can export the vector data as shapefile. > > GRASS seems like a tactical nuke when I'm looking for a bb gun, though, > more effort than the problem requires. Well yes, GRASS is big. Probably other applications can do this as well. We hope to add it to Thuban one day, too. -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And DC power brokers don't smoke cigars - that was the mid-90s. From acuster at nature.berkeley.edu Mon Jan 20 19:56:59 2003 From: acuster at nature.berkeley.edu (Adrian Custer) Date: 20 Jan 2003 10:56:59 -0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS and Crime Data In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043089019.15940.41.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Hello, The issue is the claim that people are "mapping crime." We know we are not doing such a thing so we should be careful to state what we are doing. It's worth the ten-twenty minutes to think carefully about the semantics of what we want to present to the Whole Wide World. So if you are mapping crimes that could potentially hurt individuals and families through direct physical violence, then that is how you should try to present it. My research in ecology and spatial analysis is all about what we can correctly claim to know and demonstrate. That's my personal kick. I hope to get a few people to think a tiny bit more about this correctness. GIS is deeply influencing public policy and I see an inherent tendency to assume that if a map shows an effect, the effect must exist. If we are going to do better than that then we will have to work pretty hard to really understand what we are doing. One of the first steps is to try to state what a map shows with as directed a language as possible. cheers, adrian P.S. I assumed you were doing something cool. Most people on this list are 1) supporting Free software which is very cool 2) decent people willing to help others which is also very cool. Actually, I'd change the 'Most people' to 'Everyone.' Thanks for building housing in DC. The Habitat for Humanity affiliate there got me to spend some time in a few new parts of town. D.C. could be a fantastic place with some commitment and hard work. The cigars reference came out of an incident of three cigar smoking policemen, two of whom were dragging and hassling a homeless man up near Adams Morgan in August 2001. When they realized that I was going to stand there and witness the whole incident, they funnily enough stopped dragging the man, took their cigars out of their mouths, started speaking more politely and finally gave up and drove away. Something about the juxtaposition of two big policemen smoking cigars and one frail, half drunk or really tired homeless man being dragged summed up my feelings about the state of the police force in DC. My other comments come from years dealing with the police officers in DC, going to court, reading the papers and tracking the money. Your project has been played out before (16th street when the cops wanted a raise back in the late 1980's if I remember correctly) so it gets me worked up. As you know, DC claimed to be "murder capital of the world for a while". You have to figure, with the sheer size of the US budget, it must be "embezzlement capital of the world" as well but no one has *ever* mentioned that. Apologies for my earlier posting. It was neither subtle, nor tactful, nor effective. Again, good luck doing whatever it is you are doing. On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 07:41, Knox McIlwain wrote: > Dear FreeGIS Community - > > Thank you so much for your generous help. I have a lot to chew on, but many > great pointers. I may be back with more questions in a bit. When we get a > system up and running, I will send you the link. > > Thanks. > > - Knox McIlwain > > PS - Adrian - I work for a non-profit affordable housing developer, not the > city or federal government. This is a volunteer citizen effort to decrease > the rate of armed robberies, rapes, and other violent assaults in my > neighborhood. I am pleased that you do not have these problems in Berkley - > maybe you can help us solve them. And DC power brokers don't smoke cigars - > that was the mid-90s. > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > From tim.greenhow at minpost.nu Tue Jan 21 21:28:40 2003 From: tim.greenhow at minpost.nu (Tim Greenhow) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:28:40 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS and Crime Data References: <1043089019.15940.41.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Message-ID: <3E2DAD78.1070208@minpost.nu> You raise an interesting point, Adrian. It's one thing to map crimes like break-ins, car-thefts, muggings, rapes, murders that you can actually locate. Some of the economic crimes, political injustices, etc. are far harder to locate in one place and therefore very difficult to map without distortioin. Sometimes we see world maps showing levels of corruption by country. This is usually a gross distortion of reality, because the corruption is often very concentrated within any individual country, among a particular social or economic group, yet the impression given is that the entire population is corrupt to a given degree. Maps are like statistics - you can easily distort reality, and especially the whole reality - which I think is your point. So does anybody have an idea of how to map the swindling of shoreholders, or the impact of crimes like those committed within Enron, Anderson, WorldCom or whatever, to say nothing of crimes committed on or through the Internet? Tim G. Adrian Custer wrote: >Hello, > >The issue is the claim that people are "mapping crime." We know we are >not doing such a thing so we should be careful to state what we are >doing. It's worth the ten-twenty minutes to think carefully about the >semantics of what we want to present to the Whole Wide World. So if you >are mapping crimes that could potentially hurt individuals and families >through direct physical violence, then that is how you should try to >present it. > >My research in ecology and spatial analysis is all about what we can >correctly claim to know and demonstrate. That's my personal kick. I hope >to get a few people to think a tiny bit more about this correctness. GIS >is deeply influencing public policy and I see an inherent tendency to >assume that if a map shows an effect, the effect must exist. If we are >going to do better than that then we will have to work pretty hard to >really understand what we are doing. One of the first steps is to try to >state what a map shows with as directed a language as possible. > >cheers, >adrian > >P.S. I assumed you were doing something cool. Most people on this list >are 1) supporting Free software which is very cool 2) decent people >willing to help others which is also very cool. Actually, I'd change the >'Most people' to 'Everyone.' > >Thanks for building housing in DC. The Habitat for Humanity affiliate >there got me to spend some time in a few new parts of town. D.C. could >be a fantastic place with some commitment and hard work. > >The cigars reference came out of an incident of three cigar smoking >policemen, two of whom were dragging and hassling a homeless man up near >Adams Morgan in August 2001. When they realized that I was going to >stand there and witness the whole incident, they funnily enough stopped >dragging the man, took their cigars out of their mouths, started >speaking more politely and finally gave up and drove away. Something >about the juxtaposition of two big policemen smoking cigars and one >frail, half drunk or really tired homeless man being dragged summed up >my feelings about the state of the police force in DC. > >My other comments come from years dealing with the police officers in >DC, going to court, reading the papers and tracking the money. Your >project has been played out before (16th street when the cops wanted a >raise back in the late 1980's if I remember correctly) so it gets me >worked up. As you know, DC claimed to be "murder capital of the world >for a while". You have to figure, with the sheer size of the US budget, >it must be "embezzlement capital of the world" as well but no one has >*ever* mentioned that. > >Apologies for my earlier posting. It was neither subtle, nor tactful, >nor effective. 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I seem to be able to create shapefiles, gmls etc -- but not a MapInfo file. cheers Nick -- Nick Hamm Department of Geography Southampton University Southampton SO17 1BJ United Kingdom Office: ++ 44 23 8059 2013 (internal x22013) Mobile: ++ 44 7887 578 442 Fax: ++ 44 23 8059 3295 Email: n.hamm at soton.ac.uk From bernhard at intevation.de Thu Jan 23 12:30:33 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:30:33 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Please don't post HTML In-Reply-To: <3E2DAD78.1070208@minpost.nu> References: <1043089019.15940.41.camel@tsetse.lab-net> <3E2DAD78.1070208@minpost.nu> Message-ID: <20030123113033.GF28998@intevation.de> Dear participants of the freegis-list, I'm just taking the opportunity of Tim's email to restate that to keep the forum as high level as it is, it is considered polite to: - edit the quotes when replying, usually a full quote is too much. - do not post in HTML format as many people cannot optimally read it and it wasts bandwidth Apard from that discussion like the one below, though not entirely in focus are of course welcome. :) Thanks, Bernhard On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 09:28:40PM +0100, Tim Greenhow wrote: > > You raise an interesting point, Adrian. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Stephan Krauss From Vermessung at Bigfoot.de Mon Jan 27 13:38:32 2003 From: Vermessung at Bigfoot.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Stephan_Krau=DF ?=) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:38:32 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Shapelib Message-ID: Hallo ! Ich suche die Shapelib, kompiliert f?r Windows. Diese Version soll die Programme shpcreate, dbfcreate und dbfadd enthalten. Wer kann helfen ? m.f.G. Stephan Krau? From adoyle at intl-interfaces.com Mon Jan 27 14:21:45 2003 From: adoyle at intl-interfaces.com (Allan Doyle) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:21:45 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Arbeit mit Mapserver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15925.12905.832461.530305@intl-interfaces.com> On Monday, January 27 2003 at 11:14:26(+0100) "Stephan Krau?" wrote: > Hallo ! > > Leider habe ich Probleme mit dem Englischen, so da? ich diesen Text > mit einem ?bersetzungsprogramm ?bersetze. > Seit einiger Zeit besch?ftige ich mich mit dem Mapserver. > Kennt irgendjamand einen Provider der diesen Mapserver, sowie > die php_mapscript unterst?tzt. > > m.f.G. > > Stephan Krau? > > > > Hello! > > Unfortunately I have problems with the English, so that I translate > this text with a translation program. I am occupied for some time with > the map server. Knows irgendjamand a Provider this map server, as well > as php_mapscript supports. To help out: Does anyone know of a provider who supports mapserver as well as PHP. I suspect what Stephan is looking for is an ISP (Internet Service Provider) so that he can run his application there instead of having to supply his own machine connected to the internet. Allan > > m.f.G. > > Stephan Krauss > > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Allan Doyle http://www.intl-interfaces.com +1.781.433.2695 (Office) adoyle at intl-interfaces.com +1.781.634.0421 (FAX) From adoyle at intl-interfaces.com Mon Jan 27 14:23:26 2003 From: adoyle at intl-interfaces.com (Allan Doyle) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:23:26 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Shapelib In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15925.13006.738017.563050@intl-interfaces.com> On Monday, January 27 2003 at 13:38:32(+0100) "Stephan Krau?" wrote: > Hallo ! > > Ich suche die Shapelib, kompiliert f?r Windows. > Diese Version soll die Programme shpcreate, dbfcreate und dbfadd > enthalten. > Wer kann helfen ? Does anyone know where one can find Shapelib for Windows? It should contain shpcreate, dbfcreate, and dbfadd. > > m.f.G. > > Stephan Krau? > > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Allan Doyle http://www.intl-interfaces.com +1.781.433.2695 (Office) adoyle at intl-interfaces.com +1.781.634.0421 (FAX) From otto.dassau at gmx.de Mon Jan 27 14:49:58 2003 From: otto.dassau at gmx.de (Otto Dassau) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:49:58 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Shapelib References: Message-ID: <3E353906.6BEC2BC1@gmx.de> Hallo Stephan, > Ich suche die Shapelib, kompiliert f?r Windows. > Diese Version soll die Programme shpcreate, dbfcreate und dbfadd > enthalten. > Wer kann helfen ? Du kannst die Shapelibs hier finden: http://gdal.velocet.ca/projects/shapelib/index.html gruesse Otto From Vermessung at Bigfoot.de Mon Jan 27 18:06:52 2003 From: Vermessung at Bigfoot.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Stephan_Krau=DF ?=) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:06:52 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] mapserver.rpm Message-ID: Hallo ! Erst einmal Danke an alle die mir geantwortet haben. Da ich momentan am Aufbau eines Mapservers bin, gleich die n?chste Frage. Wo bekomme ich die mapserver-3.6.0-1.i386.rpm her. m.f.G. Stephan Krau? From jan at intevation.de Mon Jan 27 18:21:33 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:21:33 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] mapserver.rpm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030127172133.GA1977@intevation.de> There is a RPM package on the FreeGIS CD http://freegis.org/cd-contents.de.html You can also download it here: ftp://intevation.de/freegis/gnu-linux-i586/freegis-1.2.1/i386/mapserver-3.6.1-1.i386.rpm If you think we did a good job on packaging the tools, buying a FreeGIS CD would encourage us to continue :-) On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 06:06:52PM +0100, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? Stephan_Krau=DF ?= wrote: > Erst einmal Danke an alle die mir geantwortet haben. > Da ich momentan am Aufbau eines Mapservers bin, gleich die n?chste > Frage. > Wo bekomme ich die mapserver-3.6.0-1.i386.rpm her. -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From Stephan at datenstore.de Tue Jan 28 10:33:43 2003 From: Stephan at datenstore.de (Stephan) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:33:43 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] $klasse->setexpression() Message-ID: <200301280933.h0S9XhC14265@webmailer.hosteurope.de> Hallo ! Ich habe ein Problem mit der php_mapscript. In der Konfigurationsdatei habe ich für einen Punktlayer eine Klasse. AYER NAME popplace TYPE POINT STATUS ON DATA popplace LabelItem \"Name\" # Spalte der Beschriftung CLASSITEM \"POPPLACE_\" # Spalte fuer Klasse CLASS # Testklasse - Layer \'popplace\' EXPRESSION /1|2/ TEMPLATE \"ttt_query.html\" SYMBOL 14 SIZE 6 NAME \"Cities\" LABEL COLOR 0 0 0 FONT fritqat TYPE truetype SIZE 8 POSITION AUTO PARTIALS FALSE OUTLINECOLOR 255 255 255 END COLOR 0 0 0 END # Ende der Testklasse In dieser Klasse werden die Elemente 1 oder 2 der Spalte POPPLACE angesprochen. Dazu habe ich ein PHP - Skript geschrieben um diese Klasseneinstellungen nachträglich zu veränder. function punkte() // Erzeugung zusaetzlicher Punkte { global $map; $shape = $map->getlayerbyname(popplace,-1); $klasse = $shape->getClass(0); $klasse->set(\"symbol\",13); echo $test = get_class_methods($klasse); // $klasse->setexpression(\"2\"); // Fehler return; } Leider produziert der Aufruf $klasse->setexpression(\"2\"); einen Fehler. Wer kann helfen? m.f.G. Stephan Krauß Hello! I php_mapscript a problem with. In the configuration file I have a class for a Punktlayer. LAYER NAME popplace TYPE POINT STATUS ON DATA popplace LabelItem \"name\" #column of the inscription CLASSITEM \"POPPLACE _\" # column for class CLASS # test class - Layer \' popplace \' EXPRESSION /1|2/ TEMPLATE \"ttt_query.html\" SYMBOL 14 SIZE 6 NAME \"Cities\" LABEL COLOR 0 0 0 FONT fritqat TYPE truetype SIZE 8 POSITION AUTO PARTIALS FALSE OUTLINECOLOR 255,255,255 END COLOR 0 0 0 END # end of the test class In this class the elements 1 or 2 of the column POPPLACE are addressed. In addition I have a PHP - script written around these class attitudes later too change. function punkte() // Erzeugung zusaetzlicher Punkte { global $map; $shape = $map->getlayerbyname(popplace,-1); $klasse = $shape->getClass(0); $klasse->set(\"symbol\",13); echo $test = get_class_methods($klasse); // $klasse->setexpression(\"2\"); // Fehler return; } Unfortunately the call produces $klasse->setexpression(\"2\"); an error. Who can help? m.f.G. Stephan Krauss From christian.fuerpass at dvm.at Tue Jan 28 17:13:50 2003 From: christian.fuerpass at dvm.at (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Christian_F=FCrpa=DF?=) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:13:50 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Arbeit mit Mapserver References: Message-ID: <3E36AC3E.8070506@dvm.at> Hello List! I just want to inform you, that my company can host Mapserver applications under Linux. At the moment we have this configuration: ? Webserver Apache 1.3.27 ? Mapserver 3.6.3 ? PHP MapScript 3.6.3 ? PHP 4.2.3 ? MySQL 3.23.53 ? PHPMyAdmin 2.3.3 ? PostgreSQL 7.2.3 ? PostGIS 0.7.3 My company is working with all kinds of Open Source products, so it was just a matter of time to host Mapserver applications. If you want more informations, feel free to contact me. Regards Christian Fuerpass -- --------------------------------------------- Mag. Christian Fuerpass iNet Internet Plattform Neudoerflerstrasse 2 A - 2700 Wiener Neustadt Tel.: ++43 (0)2622 / 24480 18 Fax.: ++43 (0)2622 / 24480 20 WWW: http://www.sysinet.com http://www.inetgruppe.at Email: christian.fuerpass at sysinet.com From bernhard at intevation.de Tue Jan 28 19:30:48 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:30:48 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] $klasse->setexpression() In-Reply-To: <200301280933.h0S9XhC14265@webmailer.hosteurope.de> References: <200301280933.h0S9XhC14265@webmailer.hosteurope.de> Message-ID: <20030128183048.GB14649@intevation.de> If it gets very specific the mapserver lists would be a good place to ask. Wenn die Frage sehr ins technische Detail geht, macht es Sinn auf den Mapserver Listen nachzufragen. Bernhard On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 10:33:43AM +0100, Stephan wrote: > Ich habe ein Problem mit der php_mapscript. > In der Konfigurationsdatei habe ich f?r einen Punktlayer > eine Klasse. > > AYER > NAME popplace > TYPE POINT > STATUS ON > DATA popplace > LabelItem \"Name\" # Spalte der Beschriftung > CLASSITEM \"POPPLACE_\" # Spalte fuer Klasse > TEMPLATE \"ttt_query.html\" > SYMBOL 14 > SIZE 6 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We have an MCE based system and a public planning system. Ian Ian Turton, Director, Centre for Computational Geography, University of Leeds, Leeds, LS2 9JT http://www.geog.leeds.ac.uk/people/i.turton http://www.ccg.leeds.ac.uk http://www.geotools.org +44 (0) 113 343 3392 fax: +44 (0) 113 343 3308 From jan at intevation.de Wed Jan 29 14:25:31 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:25:31 +0100 Subject: Free Software vs. proprietary Software. Was: Re: [Freegis-list] SDSS In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030129103225.0415e340@geog.leeds.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030129103225.0415e340@geog.leeds.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20030129132531.GA7874@intevation.de> On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 10:34:47AM +0000, Ian Turton wrote: > I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for but have a look at > http://www.ccg.leeds.ac.uk/democracy/ to see if it's the right sort of > thing. We have an MCE based system and a public planning system. on these pages proprietary is described with the term 'commercial'. I am taking this occasion to again encourage all developers and users of Free Software to not use the term 'commercial' as the opposite of Free Software. The opposite of Free Software is proprietary software. Both can either be commercial or not. Being precise with this will make clear that companies do a professional job when offering services based on Free Software and they deserve full payment. Successful companies that issue Free Software (preferable Free Software exclusively) will massively support Free Software to cope with the strong lobbying of the proprietary monopolists. Once the chances are equal with a fair market for both, Free Software and proprietary software, the best may win. Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From batsy at vapour.net Thu Jan 30 20:32:00 2003 From: batsy at vapour.net (batz) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:32:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Freegis-list] interesting note. Message-ID: This site was forwarded to me, and it is a list reports of of GIS data being removed from the Internet in the last year or so. http://www.mapcruzin.com/news/rtkpost911.htm I haven't looked at the rest of the site, which seems geared twards advocacy, but I thought this bit was worth forwarding. Cheers, -- batz From davidgil at iname.com Fri Jan 31 13:12:19 2003 From: davidgil at iname.com (david gil) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:12:19 +0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] Difference Free Open Message-ID: <20030131121219.52653.qmail@iname.com> Hi Jan, I have a little question please, I wonder if you can explain me the difference beetween the Term "Open" and "Free", I think the difference is only legal, could you answer me? Sincerely David Gil (PT) > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 10:34:47AM +0000, Ian Turton wrote: > > I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for but have a look at > > http://www.ccg.leeds.ac.uk/democracy/ to see if it's the right sort of > > thing. We have an MCE based system and a public planning system. > > on these pages proprietary is described with the term 'commercial'. > > I am taking this occasion to again encourage all developers > and users of Free Software to not > use the term 'commercial' as the opposite of Free Software. > > The opposite of Free Software is proprietary software. > Both can either be commercial or not. > > Being precise with this will make clear that companies do > a professional job when offering services based on Free Software > and they deserve full payment. > Successful companies that issue Free Software (preferable Free > Software exclusively) will massively support Free Software to cope > with the strong lobbying of the proprietary monopolists. > Once the chances are equal with a fair market for both, > Free Software and proprietary software, the best may win. > > Jan > > -- > Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ > > Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ > FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > David Gil (Aerospace Eng. Student, Low-Power Programming Researcher) +351-91-8325222 R. dos Descobrimentos n21, 1?E 2890-115 ALCOCHETE PORTUGAL -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From jan at intevation.de Fri Jan 31 14:34:09 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:34:09 +0100 Subject: [Freegis-list] Difference Free Open In-Reply-To: <20030131121219.52653.qmail@iname.com> References: <20030131121219.52653.qmail@iname.com> Message-ID: <20030131133409.GB1052@intevation.de> On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 12:12:19PM +0000, david gil wrote: > I have a little question please, I wonder if you can explain me the difference beetween the Term "Open" and "Free", I think the difference is only legal, could you answer me? I assume you more specifically mean "Open Source" and "Free Software". (please correct me if I am wrong) No, its not a legal issue. Read more about why we prefer the term Free Software over Open Source here: http://www.fsfeurope.org/documents/whyfs.en.html Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/