From isdale at hrl.com Mon Aug 4 23:20:15 2003 From: isdale at hrl.com (Jerry Isdale) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:20:15 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] USArmy TEC survey of terrain vis software Message-ID: <3F2ECE0F.7040801@hrl.com> This recent survey does include a couple free/semi-free packages, but pretty much ignores FreeGIS. Still it might be useful to the readers for comparison (price/performance ratio is hard to compute 8-) http://www.tec.army.mil/TD/tvd/survey/index.html Dated 15 July 2003, *INTRODUCTION:* The Data Representation Branch (DRB) of the U.S. Army Topographic Engineering Center (TEC) conducts exploratory development to provide the U.S. Army and DoD with more effective methods of merging, visualizing and analyzing battlefield terrain and environmental information. Concurrent with this ongoing research, DRB strives to maintain awareness of relevant commercial products and industry's internal research and development activities where possible, in order to identify technology gaps and emerging capabilities of interest. This report is intended to function as a survey of available terrain visualization hardware and software. (A separate document that gives an overview of commercial software products for map composition is also available from TEC.) -- Jerry Isdale, Research Staff Scientist Human-Centered Systems Department, M/S RL96 HRL Laboratories, LLC 3011 Malibu Canyon Road Malibu, Ca, 90265 USA Tel: +11 310-317-5883 Fax: +11 310-317-5695 email: isdale at hrl.com web: http://www.hrl.com personal: http://vr.isdale.com From tkgeomap at mac.com Tue Aug 5 21:07:59 2003 From: tkgeomap at mac.com (Gordon Carrie) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:07:59 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Tkgeomap 2.0 released Message-ID: <7812297.1060110479041.JavaMail.tkgeomap@mac.com> Fellow geographers and cartographers, I just released version 2.0 of Tkgeomap - a set of extensions to the Tcl/Tk scripting language for manipulation and display of geographic data. Complete source code, documentation, examples, sample data and demo's are at my web site: http://tkgeomap.sourceforge.net I await your feedback. Gordon From bernhard at intevation.de Wed Aug 6 18:48:50 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:48:50 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Tkgeomap 2.0 released In-Reply-To: <7812297.1060110479041.JavaMail.tkgeomap@mac.com> References: <7812297.1060110479041.JavaMail.tkgeomap@mac.com> Message-ID: <20030806164850.GB3081@intevation.de> Gordon, thanks for sending the announcement and the development of Tkgeomap itself. I only have a bit of non-technical remarks. :) Was there a special reason to switch from the GNU Lesser General License (LGPL) to an X11 style license? The LGPL protects your freedom better, while it still allows to link all software (proprietary and non-proprietary). You should call your license "X11 license", because "MIT" also uses non-free licenses. See: http://www.fsf.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses Bernhard On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 02:07:59PM -0500, Gordon Carrie wrote: > I just released version 2.0 of Tkgeomap - a set of extensions to > the Tcl/Tk scripting language for manipulation and display of > geographic data. Complete source code, documentation, examples, > sample data and demo's are at my web site: > http://tkgeomap.sourceforge.net > > I await your feedback. -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 17/03/2003 From tkgeomap at mac.com Fri Aug 8 18:40:21 2003 From: tkgeomap at mac.com (Gordon Carrie) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 11:40:21 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Tkgeomap 2.0 released Message-ID: <350801.1060360821007.JavaMail.tkgeomap@mac.com> On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, at 11:48AM, Bernhard Reiter wrote: >I only have a bit of non-technical remarks. :) > > Was there a special reason to switch from the > GNU Lesser General License (LGPL) to an X11 style license? > The LGPL protects your freedom better, while it still > allows to link all software (proprietary and non-proprietary). > > You should call your license "X11 license", because > "MIT" also uses non-free licenses. See: > http://www.fsf.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses Hi, Thanks for the feedback. Your remark is non-technical but still important. I changed the license when another developer who has been helping me requested it. He agreed to give credit and provide references to my web site, which I find sufficient. I am aware that the MIT/X11 license does not mandate distribution of the source code with derived products. That is ok with me, because I would rather have subsequent users come to my web site and download the latest version. I have also considered using the BSD license, which just requires distribution with the developers names. My main concern is receiving credit and making it possible for users to contact me with feedback and contributions. Thank you for the comments. I still find it difficult to choose a license. The discussions on your list are often useful. Gordon From jvarga at boulder.net Fri Aug 8 19:33:03 2003 From: jvarga at boulder.net (Jack Varga) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 11:33:03 -0600 Subject: [Freegis-list] RE: Does Map data qualify under GNU/GPL? In-Reply-To: <000401c35d08$6845c3f0$5340ba66@gis> References: <000401c35d08$6845c3f0$5340ba66@gis> Message-ID: <3F33DECF.4060704@boulder.net> Nyon, GPL applies specifically to "programs or other work". It does not, however, specifically state anything about data, but I presume data could fall under the realm of "other work." First term of GPL: 0. This License applies to any program or other work which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed under the terms of this General Public License. The "Program", below, refers to any such program or work, and a "work based on the Program" means either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language. (Hereinafter, translation is included without limitation in the term "modification".) Each licensee is addressed as "you". http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html#SEC3 Write rms at gnu.org or gnu at gnu.org. They're pretty good about responding to such inquiries. If neither GPL or LGPL covers data, they might be able to direct you to a similar license that does. Good question. Please share your response with all of us. YC Nyon wrote: >Hi, > >We are a group of GPS enthusiast who are collecting road tracks. This will >then be processed to PDA and GIS friendly formats. >Is there any category on the GNU that is for data rather than software >programs ? > >Thanks >Nyon > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 17/03/2003 > >_______________________________________________ >Freegis-list mailing list >Freegis-list at intevation.de >https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20030808/bfc449e5/attachment.html From jvarga at boulder.net Fri Aug 8 19:42:41 2003 From: jvarga at boulder.net (Jack Varga) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 11:42:41 -0600 Subject: [Freegis-list] RE: Does Map data qualify under GNU/GPL? In-Reply-To: <3F33DECF.4060704@boulder.net> References: <000401c35d08$6845c3f0$5340ba66@gis> <3F33DECF.4060704@boulder.net> Message-ID: <3F33E111.5030000@boulder.net> Quick followup. The LGPL (Lesser GPL) does specifically mention data... 0. This License Agreement applies to any software library or other program which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder or other authorized party saying it may be distributed under the terms of this Lesser General Public License (also called "this License"). Each licensee is addressed as "you". A "library" means a collection of software functions and/or data prepared so as to be conveniently linked with application programs (which use some of those functions and data) to form executables. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl.html#SEC3 Jack Varga wrote: > Nyon, > > GPL applies specifically to "programs or other work". It does not, > however, specifically state anything about data, but I presume data > could fall under the realm of "other work." > > First term of GPL: > > 0. This License applies to any program or other work which contains a > notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed > under the terms of this General Public License. The "Program", below, > refers to any such program or work, and a "work based on the Program" > means either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: > that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, > either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another > language. (Hereinafter, translation is included without limitation in > the term "modification".) Each licensee is addressed as "you". > > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html#SEC3 > > Write rms at gnu.org or gnu at gnu.org. They're pretty good about responding > to such inquiries. If neither GPL or LGPL covers data, they might be > able to direct you to a similar license that does. Good question. > Please share your response with all of us. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20030808/f01d95e6/attachment.html From jan at intevation.de Fri Aug 8 23:04:30 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:04:30 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] RE: Does Map data qualify under GNU/GPL? In-Reply-To: <000401c35d08$6845c3f0$5340ba66@gis> References: <000401c35d08$6845c3f0$5340ba66@gis> Message-ID: <20030808210430.GA8881@intevation.de> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 07:31:46PM +0800, YC Nyon wrote: > We are a group of GPS enthusiast who are collecting road tracks. This will > then be processed to PDA and GIS friendly formats. > Is there any category on the GNU that is for data rather than software > programs ? indeed there is no specific license for geodata so far. We will need one though because software source code and geodata are different in some ways. For our project Frida (frida.intevation.org) we choose this license to be open for future developments: | The Free Vector GeoData Osnabrck (Frida) are | Copyright (C) by Intevation GmbH and licensed | under the GNU General Public License (see COPYING.GPL). | | Additional license agreement: | | The GNU GPL has been chosen because no analog license | for geographic data does yet exists. | If in the future the Free Software Foundation Europe | officially accepts a Geographic Data license as to be analog | to the GNU GPL, Frida may be upgraded to this new license. Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From thanhlp at cidala.gov.vn Sat Aug 9 12:29:52 2003 From: thanhlp at cidala.gov.vn (thanhlp@cidala.gov.vn) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 17:29:52 +0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] Freegis-list Digest, Vol 1, Issue 608 Message-ID: Hi, My email count was changed to thanhlp at vidagis.com. Or you could contact me through thanhlp at hotmail.com Best regards, Thanh Le Phuoc From thanhlp at cidala.gov.vn Sun Aug 10 12:28:34 2003 From: thanhlp at cidala.gov.vn (thanhlp@cidala.gov.vn) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:28:34 +0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] Freegis-list Digest, Vol 1, Issue 609 Message-ID: Hi, My email count was changed to thanhlp at vidagis.com. Or you could contact me through thanhlp at hotmail.com Best regards, Thanh Le Phuoc From blazek at itc.it Mon Aug 11 08:34:39 2003 From: blazek at itc.it (Radim Blazek) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:34:39 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Tkgeomap 2.0 released In-Reply-To: <350801.1060360821007.JavaMail.tkgeomap@mac.com> References: <350801.1060360821007.JavaMail.tkgeomap@mac.com> Message-ID: <200308110634.h7B6YdT19282@janacek.itc.it.> On Friday 08 August 2003 18:40, Gordon Carrie wrote: > On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, at 11:48AM, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > >I only have a bit of non-technical remarks. :) > > > > Was there a special reason to switch from the > > GNU Lesser General License (LGPL) to an X11 style license? > > The LGPL protects your freedom better, while it still > > allows to link all software (proprietary and non-proprietary). > > > > You should call your license "X11 license", because > > "MIT" also uses non-free licenses. See: > > http://www.fsf.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses > > Hi, > > Thanks for the feedback. Your remark is non-technical but still important. > > I changed the license when another developer who has been helping > me requested it. He agreed to give credit and provide references > to my web site, which I find sufficient. > > I am aware that the MIT/X11 license does not mandate distribution > of the source code with derived products. That is ok with me, > because I would rather have subsequent users come to my web site > and download the latest version. > > I have also considered using the > BSD license, which just requires distribution with the developers > names. My main concern is receiving credit and making it possible > for users to contact me with feedback and contributions. > > Thank you for the comments. I still find it difficult to choose a > license. The discussions on your list are often useful. It is very good idea to switch to MIT license. (L)GPL restricts practical use too much. Radim From jan at intevation.de Mon Aug 11 09:11:40 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:11:40 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Tkgeomap 2.0 released In-Reply-To: <200308110634.h7B6YdT19282@janacek.itc.it.> References: <350801.1060360821007.JavaMail.tkgeomap@mac.com> <200308110634.h7B6YdT19282@janacek.itc.it.> Message-ID: <20030811071140.GA31692@intevation.de> On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 08:34:39AM +0200, Radim Blazek wrote: > It is very good idea to switch to MIT license. > (L)GPL restricts practical use too much. Your statement is far too general. It does not differentiate with reagard to needs and values. L(GPL) protect the freedom of a Free Software. MIT or BSDish don't. Therewith L(GPL) are very helpful for commercial Free Software. For example, I do not want other companies to earn money with proprietarising my investment. BSDish licenses are sometimes good for reference implementations of protocols or formats to make them quickly adopted by the whole IT industry which currently still is a mixture of Free and proprietary Software companies. Any other application of BSD for any commercial purpose does not provide you with additional benefits over L(GPL). It only adds disadvantages compared to L(GPL). Finally, I've found no evidence at all that L(GPL) harms the practical aspects of software. It only protects the freedom - thus if you mean that the license harms your practice to derive proprietary products from Free Software then of course you are right. But in that case your anyway not interested in the ideas and values of Freedom and Free Software. -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From jan at intevation.de Mon Aug 11 12:20:20 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:20:20 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Tkgeomap 2.0 released In-Reply-To: <20030811071140.GA31692@intevation.de> References: <350801.1060360821007.JavaMail.tkgeomap@mac.com> <200308110634.h7B6YdT19282@janacek.itc.it.> <20030811071140.GA31692@intevation.de> Message-ID: <20030811102020.GC9721@intevation.de> On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:11:40AM +0200, Jan-Oliver Wagner wrote: > L(GPL) protect the freedom of a Free Software. MIT or BSDish don't. I was asked this in private communication, so I thought I should clarify in general: The MIT/X11 and new BSD license are equivalent in their meaning. -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From bernhard at intevation.de Mon Aug 11 12:34:24 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:34:24 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Tkgeomap 2.0 released In-Reply-To: <200308110634.h7B6YdT19282@janacek.itc.it.> References: <350801.1060360821007.JavaMail.tkgeomap@mac.com> <200308110634.h7B6YdT19282@janacek.itc.it.> Message-ID: <20030811103424.GE16688@intevation.de> On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 08:34:39AM +0200, Radim Blazek wrote: > On Friday 08 August 2003 18:40, Gordon Carrie wrote: > > On Wednesday, August 06, 2003, at 11:48AM, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > > > > > > Was there a special reason to switch from the > > > GNU Lesser General License (LGPL) to an X11 style license? > > > The LGPL protects your freedom better, while it still > > > allows to link all software (proprietary and non-proprietary). > > > > > > You should call your license "X11 license", because > > > "MIT" also uses non-free licenses. See: > > > http://www.fsf.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses > > Thank you for the comments. I still find it difficult to choose a > > license. The discussions on your list are often useful. > > It is very good idea to switch to MIT license. > (L)GPL restricts practical use too much. There is a huge difference in the GNU Lesser GPL and the GNU GPL. (E.g.: The LGPL does not put many restrictions on the use, especially it allows the linking of proprietary software.) But of course it is your decision if you want the freedom of your software to be protected in the mid term. -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Gordon Carrie Subject: Re: Tkgeomap updated Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 11:27:16 -0500 Size: 2008 Url: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20030811/c8b9340d/attachment-0001.txt From fritz at rodent.frell.eu.org Mon Aug 11 13:20:35 2003 From: fritz at rodent.frell.eu.org (Fritz Wuehler) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:20:35 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] RE: Does Map data qualify under GNU/GPL? Message-ID: Have you looked at the Design Science License? This reads almost identically to the GPL, but has been written with artworks, data, etc. in mind, and avoids references to programs, source-code etc. http://www.dsl.org/copyleft/ Regards OJW Anonymous email to protect a work email address > Hi, > > We are a group of GPS enthusiast who are collecting road > tracks. This will then be processed to PDA and GIS friendly > formats. Is there any category on the GNU that is for data > rather than software programs ? > > Thanks > Nyon From Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca Mon Aug 11 21:25:57 2003 From: Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca (Matt.Wilkie) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:25:57 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] RE: Does Map data qualify under GNU/GPL? Message-ID: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07531A5A3626@raptor.ynet.gov.yk.ca> > We are a group of GPS enthusiast who are collecting road > tracks. This will then be processed to PDA and GIS friendly > formats. Is there any category on the GNU that is for data > rather than software programs ? Geographic data has been distributed under the GPL, however it must be said that re-purposing the GPL like this has not been proven to be right or effective. E.g. no lawyers have taken a look at it and pronounced it valid. Bruce Perens did this first with the US TIGER census data in about 1999 or so. The link I have for Bruce's data does not respond so maybe it is no longer online. I followed suit with a small dataset in 2001. Basically all we did was add a paragraph to the beginning of the license like this: "The [name of dataset] is released under the GNU Public License, v2. For purposes of interpreting the GPL in connection with this work: The database is distributed in the form of compressed text files. These will generally be processed into to another form to provide improved space or reference efficiency before use. The text form should be considered 'source code' and the other form should be considered a 'compiled program'. The nutshell summary is: you are free to use, modify and distribute this data as you wish, provided you do not attempt to restrict others from doing the same." -- http://polarcom.com/~patawi/GIS/index_gis.html I don't know if other people are following this model or not. -matt From blazek at itc.it Tue Aug 12 15:07:17 2003 From: blazek at itc.it (Radim Blazek) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:07:17 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Tkgeomap 2.0 released In-Reply-To: <20030811071140.GA31692@intevation.de> References: <350801.1060360821007.JavaMail.tkgeomap@mac.com> <200308110634.h7B6YdT19282@janacek.itc.it.> <20030811071140.GA31692@intevation.de> Message-ID: <200308121307.h7CD7Id24530@janacek.itc.it.> On Monday 11 August 2003 09:11, you wrote: > Any other application of BSD for any commercial purpose does not > provide you with additional benefits over L(GPL). It only adds > disadvantages compared to L(GPL). Here are some LGPL disadvantages: (by application I mean any application using LGPL library) 1) Staticaly linked application must be probably distributed also as source code. Yes, I say 'probably', because LGPL is not very clear, and I found on the Web two kinds of explanations for article 6. a), one states that object code is enough, the second that source code is required. Some people obviously read "object code and/or source code" as "object code or source code", but it does not seem to be right. Also "permit modification of the work for the customer's own use" imposes distribution of source code, but that would apply to dynamicaly linked application as well. Unfortunately, I cannot find any FAQ for LGPL. 2) The application cannot use any third party libraries or tools needed to build the application which are not standard part of OS and cannot be distributed with the application. For example library which can read proprietary data format, available for download on Web, but without permission to redistribute it. On Windows, compiler like "Visual C" is also such tool. This is of course valid regardless the application is proprietary or free! 3) "You must cause the files modified to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change." this does not block the use, but it is annoying and extra work. If I look around, successful open source GIS projects don't use (L)GPL: GDAL/OGR: MIT/X License Mapserver: MapServer License (almost MIT/X) PROJ4: MIT/X License > Finally, I've found no evidence at all that L(GPL) harms the practical > aspects of software. It only protects the freedom - thus if you mean > that the license harms your practice to derive proprietary products from > Free Software then of course you are right. The problem is that it complicates/disables the use of the LGPL library for both free and proprietary programs. > But in that case your > anyway not interested in the ideas and values of Freedom and Free Software. I am interested in free software when it is feasible and sensible. I am not interested to force people to do what FSF considers to be the best. Radim From bernhard at intevation.de Tue Aug 12 16:26:14 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:26:14 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] (L)GPL remarks and FreeGIS licensing In-Reply-To: <200308121307.h7CD7Id24530@janacek.itc.it.> References: <350801.1060360821007.JavaMail.tkgeomap@mac.com> <200308110634.h7B6YdT19282@janacek.itc.it.> <20030811071140.GA31692@intevation.de> <200308121307.h7CD7Id24530@janacek.itc.it.> Message-ID: <20030812142614.GF22836@intevation.de> [ I'm also crossposting this to the fsfeurope discussion list as many points are quite general to Free Software licensing. ] On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 03:07:17PM +0200, Radim Blazek wrote as answer to a post On Monday 11 August 2003 09:11 by Jan-Oliver Wagner: > Here are some LGPL disadvantages: > (by application I mean any application using LGPL library) Naturally I consider the valid points as advantages, because the freedom of the software part under LGPL is protected. > 1) Staticaly linked application must be probably distributed > also as source code. They must not be distributed as source code. The GNU LGPL wants to protect against that you get in the position that you cannot fix a bug in the Free Software code part that was included in the end product. If this protection would not be in place a vendor might use a bug or special behaviour in the library to do a extend and embrace tactic in that his product will only be compatible with his product. So the LGPL requires that the end user must be able to exchange the LGPL part. The static part of the license is not relevant in many cases as using dynamic libraries has gotten increasingly easy in the last years. Object code before static linking would be enough for the cause; dynamical linking really makes it easy to fulfill that requirement just having the library. http://www.fsf.org/copyleft/lesser.html If you link other code with the library, you must provide complete object files to the recipients, so that they can relink them with the library after making changes to the library and recompiling it. > Yes, I say 'probably', because LGPL is not very clear, and I found > on the Web two kinds of explanations for article 6. a), one states > that object code is enough, the second that source code is required. The GNU LGPL is legally very clear, but complicated in itself, because the legal coyright situation in the US is complicated. The indention of that paragraph is made clear in other sections of the license. E.g. at the end of paragraph 6: For an executable, the required form of the "work that uses the Library" must include any data and utility programs needed for reproducing the executable from it. > Some people obviously read "object code and/or source code" as > "object code or source code", but it does not seem to be right. It depends on what is necessary to reproduce the executable after an exchanged library part with the same interface. With a shared library or object code for static linking you do not need the source code. So for this situation "or" is correct. > Also "permit modification of the work for the customer's own use" imposes > distribution of source code, but that would apply to dynamicaly linked > application as well. No, because the distributed work is the binary. So you can modify the binary, which was a more common thing to do and some (proprietary) licenses do not allow this (nor reverse enginerring). > Unfortunately, I cannot find any FAQ for LGPL. Most questions are answered in the FAQ for the GNU GPL. Others are answered in the archives of mailinglists. If you have a question, which happens even of only because the legislative system changes around you, licensing at gnu.org is your friend. (It might take a while for them to answer.) > 2) The application cannot use any third party libraries or tools > needed to build the application which are not standard part of OS > and cannot be distributed with the application. For example > library which can read proprietary data format, > available for download on Web, but without permission to redistribute it. > On Windows, compiler like "Visual C" is also such tool. > This is of course valid regardless the application is proprietary or free! You missinterpret the end of paragraph 6 and mix something up with option a) from the same paragraph. If you don't have permission to distribute the third party library in executable form (tple), then you cannot distribute it anyway no matter what the GNU LGPL licenced part says. That is a drawback of the license of the tple. On the other hand, if you have permission to distribute the tple, paragraph 6 only says that you must be able to also distribute the necessary tools to be able to reassemble the executable. All because of the intended goal to be able to exchange the LGPL part. This tool usually is a linker or a dynamic loader. So you can of course use a proprietary tple not usuablly distributed with the operating system. E.g. there is no problem on windows if you use dlls because the loader comes with the operating systems or objects compiled by "Visual C" for static linking, because you can link them on windows with Free Software linkers like ld. > 3) "You must cause the files modified to carry prominent notices stating > that you changed the files and the date of any change." this does not block > the use, but it is annoying and extra work. If you use version control like CVS, you can easily produce this by a script. Also some editors and the diff application will make this quite easy. It is a minor hassle but a very sensible one that even helps the quality of the software. It is also protecting the freedom, because proprietary companies cannot slip nasty tricks or backdoors by the user as easily as without it. > If I look around, successful open source GIS projects don't use (L)GPL: > GDAL/OGR: MIT/X License > Mapserver: MapServer License (almost MIT/X) > PROJ4: MIT/X License It depends on how you define success. E.G. PostGIS, GRASS, GMT, GPSDrive, JTS, KFLog, Vis5d, Geotools, GnuGaMa, BBBike and R use GNU GPL; OSSIM, OpenEV, VRS and degree both also utilse the LGPL. All those can be called successful in their area or targetted use. GDAL/OGR are format exchange libraries for which LGPL and X11 have a higher strategic value. PROJ4 also is a core library similiar like ogg/vorbis. Even the FSF found the X11 license to be of strategic advantage for ogg/vorbis. Additionally the question is: Could e.g. Mapserver even be more successfull when it would use a different license? This can also be asked the other way round of course and makes up the difficult strategic question which license to use. > > Finally, I've found no evidence at all that L(GPL) harms the practical > > aspects of software. It only protects the freedom - thus if you mean > > that the license harms your practice to derive proprietary products from > > Free Software then of course you are right. > > The problem is that it complicates/disables the use of the LGPL library > for both free and proprietary programs. It also protects the freedom of the software part under LGPL and history shows that some companies will otherwise have no reason not to use the results and make money with proprietary software on the efforts of the Free Software community. > > But in that case your > > anyway not interested in the ideas and values of Freedom and Free Software. > > I am interested in free software when it is feasible and sensible. The upcoming of GNU/Linux systems is credited to a huge part to the GNU project and the licensing efforts of Richard Stallman and the FSF. I've made some simple analysis about license and it seems that the GNU GPL still is the most important Free Software license. http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/discussion/2001-June/001167.html > I am not interested to force people to do what FSF considers to be the best. If we do not defend our freedom it will slowly be taken away. As author of software you have the right to decide on its license. The Free Software community (which included much more than the FSF or the people of the GNU project) has been using copyleft for about 15 years now and it is a sensible and viable concept. Regards, Bernhard -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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PostGIS, GRASS, GMT, GPSDrive, JTS, KFLog, Vis5d, Geotools, >GnuGaMa, BBBike and R use GNU GPL; >OSSIM, OpenEV, VRS and degree both also utilse the LGPL. >All those can be called successful in their area or targetted use. just a quick correction both versions of geotools are released under the LGPL not the GPL. Ian From bernhard at intevation.de Tue Aug 12 17:10:53 2003 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:10:53 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Geotools under GNU LGPL In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030812153652.050aeaf0@geog.leeds.ac.uk> References: <200308121307.h7CD7Id24530@janacek.itc.it.> <350801.1060360821007.JavaMail.tkgeomap@mac.com> <200308110634.h7B6YdT19282@janacek.itc.it.> <20030811071140.GA31692@intevation.de> <200308121307.h7CD7Id24530@janacek.itc.it.> <5.1.0.14.0.20030812153652.050aeaf0@geog.leeds.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20030812151053.GC24512@intevation.de> On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 03:38:07PM +0100, Ian Turton wrote: > >It depends on how you define success. > >E.G. PostGIS, GRASS, GMT, GPSDrive, JTS, KFLog, Vis5d, Geotools, > >GnuGaMa, BBBike and R use GNU GPL; > just a quick correction both versions of geotools are released under the > LGPL not the GPL. Geotools changed its license from GNU GPL to LGPL in the second half of 2001. http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=107821 I've updated the information in FreeGIS.org. Thanks for the hint. -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) If freegis is useful for you, consider paying for the service: http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This should benefit a broader attention to Free GIS Software :-) Attached is the correspinding press release in german and in english. Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ -------------- next part -------------- Fachhandel offeriert FreeGIS Produkte Osnabr?ck, 12. August 2003. Die bisher von der Intevation GmbH vertriebenen FreeGIS Produkte werden nun ?ber den Fachhandel erh?ltlich sein. LinuxLand International hat die CD und B?cher rund um das Thema Freie Software und Geoinformationssysteme bereits ins Angebot aufgenommen. Die Distribution in den Fachhandel erfolgt ?ber LxPN Distributions GmbH. "Durch die ?bergabe des Direktverkaufs an LinuxLand und andere Fachhandelspartner von LxPN kann Intevation sich nun verst?rkt auf die Weiterentwicklung der FreeGIS Produkte konzentrieren." erl?utert Dr. Jan-Oliver Wagner, Gesch?ftsf?hrer der Intevation GmbH, zu der Partnerschaft mit LxPN. "Gleichzeitig wird Freie GIS Software so einem breiteren Pubklikum zug?ngig gemacht." Britta W?lfing, Gesch?ftsleitung von LinuxLand hierzu: "FreeGIS hat in Fachkreisen seit langem einen guten Namen. Durch den professionellen Vertrieb der Geographie-Software im LinuxLand-Shop zeigen wir allen Linuxinteressierten, dass mit zunehmender Verbreitung von GNU/Linux nahezu jede Anwendung auch f?r GNU/Linux verf?gbar ist." Nachdem die deutschen Bestell-Seiten nun zum LinuxLand-Shop umgezogen sind, werden die englischen im Herbst folgen. Verweise: Intevation GmbH: http://www.intevation.de LinuxLand International: http://www.linuxland.de LxPN Distribution GmbH: http://www.lxpn.de FreeGIS CD: http://freegis.org/cd.de.html FreeGIS bei LinuxLand: http://www.linuxland.de/katalog/03_desktopanw/freegis/ -------------- next part -------------- Specialized trade offers FreeGIS products Osnabr?ck, August 12th 2003. The FreeGIS products so far distributed by Intevation GmbH are now generally available via specialised trade. LinuxLand International now offers the CD und books around the topic of Free Software and geographic information systems on their web-shop. The distribution into the specialized market is done by LxPN Distributions GmbH. "With handing over the direct sales to LinuxLand and other partners of LxPN, Intevation can now concentrate on the further development of the FreeGIS products." explains Dr. Jan-Oliver Wagner, managing director of Intevation, about the partnership with LxPN. "At the same time Free GIS Software is made available to an even broader public." Britta W?lfing, executive board of LinuxLand adds: "FreeGIS has good reputation within expert groups for several years now. With the professional distribution of Geographic Software via the LinuxLand-Shop we show people interested in GNU/Linux that virtually any type of application is now available for this system." After the german order pages now moved to the LinuxLand-Shop, the english order pages will follow in autuumn. Links: Intevation GmbH: http://www.intevation.net LinuxLand International: http://www.linuxland.de LxPN Distribution GmbH: http://www.lxpn.de FreeGIS CD: http://freegis.org/cd.en.html FreeGIS at LinuxLand: http://www.linuxland.de/katalog/03_desktopanw/freegis/ From Steffen_Macke at dorsch.com.jo Thu Aug 14 20:46:07 2003 From: Steffen_Macke at dorsch.com.jo (Steffen_Macke@dorsch.com.jo) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:46:07 +0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] FreeGIS suggestion: DC Maintenance Management System Message-ID: Hello All, I would like to suggest the DC Maintenance Management System (DCMMS) to be added to the FreeGIS index. DCMMS is a Web-based application to record and analyze customer complaints and repairs in water supply networks. It is using landmarks rather than street/house number based addresses and is therefore suited for areas that don't have a consistent address system. DCMMS uses PHP, mapserver, and PostGIS. The license is GPL. It's available from http://dcmms.sourceforge.net Best Regards, Steffen Macke From futurefarm at futurefarm.de Sun Aug 17 12:32:50 2003 From: futurefarm at futurefarm.de (Burkhard Stollenwerk) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:32:50 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Freegis-list Digest, Vol 1, Issue 614 References: <20030817100004.1D8E313B55@lists.intevation.de> Message-ID: <000601c364aa$e962f3a0$9945fea9@o6l0a3> Hallo, how could I transfer EDBS Data to SVG? I have found a translator from EDBS to XML. (XML to SVG ?) Burkhard Stollenwerk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: Freegis-list Digest, Vol 1, Issue 614 > Send Freegis-list mailing list submissions to > freegis-list at intevation.de > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freegis-list-request at intevation.de > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freegis-list-owner at intevation.de > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Freegis-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. FreeGIS suggestion: DC Maintenance Management System > (Steffen_Macke at dorsch.com.jo) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:46:07 +0300 > From: Steffen_Macke at dorsch.com.jo > Subject: [Freegis-list] FreeGIS suggestion: DC Maintenance Management > System > To: freegis-list at intevation.de > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello All, > > I would like to suggest the DC Maintenance Management System (DCMMS) to be > added to the FreeGIS index. > DCMMS is a Web-based application to record and analyze customer complaints > and repairs in water > supply networks. It is using landmarks rather than street/house number > based addresses and is therefore > suited for areas that don't have a consistent address system. > DCMMS uses PHP, mapserver, and PostGIS. The license is GPL. > > It's available from > > http://dcmms.sourceforge.net > > Best Regards, > > Steffen Macke > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > > > End of Freegis-list Digest, Vol 1, Issue 614 > ******************************************** From mueller at lat-lon.de Mon Aug 18 09:20:00 2003 From: mueller at lat-lon.de (Markus =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCller?=) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:20:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Freegis-list Digest, Vol 1, Issue 614 In-Reply-To: <000601c364aa$e962f3a0$9945fea9@o6l0a3> References: <20030817100004.1D8E313B55@lists.intevation.de> <000601c364aa$e962f3a0$9945fea9@o6l0a3> Message-ID: <50811.141.91.240.140.1061191200.squirrel@mail.lat-lon.de> Burkhard, in case you can create GML out of your EDBS data, deegree (http://deegree.sf.net) offers the opportunity to translate GML to SVG. cheers Markus > Hallo, > > how could I transfer EDBS Data to SVG? > I have found a translator from EDBS to XML. > (XML to SVG ?) > > Burkhard Stollenwerk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 12:00 PM > Subject: Freegis-list Digest, Vol 1, Issue 614 > > >> Send Freegis-list mailing list submissions to >> freegis-list at intevation.de >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> freegis-list-request at intevation.de >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> freegis-list-owner at intevation.de >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Freegis-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. FreeGIS suggestion: DC Maintenance Management System >> (Steffen_Macke at dorsch.com.jo) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:46:07 +0300 >> From: Steffen_Macke at dorsch.com.jo >> Subject: [Freegis-list] FreeGIS suggestion: DC Maintenance Management >> System >> To: freegis-list at intevation.de >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hello All, >> >> I would like to suggest the DC Maintenance Management System (DCMMS) to >> be >> added to the FreeGIS index. >> DCMMS is a Web-based application to record and analyze customer >> complaints >> and repairs in water >> supply networks. It is using landmarks rather than street/house number >> based addresses and is therefore >> suited for areas that don't have a consistent address system. >> DCMMS uses PHP, mapserver, and PostGIS. The license is GPL. >> >> It's available from >> >> http://dcmms.sourceforge.net >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Steffen Macke >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Freegis-list mailing list >> Freegis-list at intevation.de >> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list >> >> >> End of Freegis-list Digest, Vol 1, Issue 614 >> ******************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > -- Dr. Markus M?ller l a t / l o n Fitzke/Fretter/Poth GbR Meckenheimer Allee 176 53115 Bonn phone ++49 +177 2470742 http://www.lat-lon.de http://deegree.sf.net From jan at intevation.de Mon Aug 18 11:27:53 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:27:53 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Freegis-list Digest, Vol 1, Issue 614 In-Reply-To: <000601c364aa$e962f3a0$9945fea9@o6l0a3> References: <20030817100004.1D8E313B55@lists.intevation.de> <000601c364aa$e962f3a0$9945fea9@o6l0a3> Message-ID: <20030818092753.GC1822@intevation.de> On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 12:32:50PM +0200, Burkhard Stollenwerk wrote: > how could I transfer EDBS Data to SVG? > I have found a translator from EDBS to XML. > (XML to SVG ?) GRASS offers a module to import edbs. As you may know the problems of edbs, for some data this works, for some other it might not. Is the EDBS->XML translator Free Software or proprietary software? Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From mubashar at adelaide.on.net Tue Aug 19 02:16:01 2003 From: mubashar at adelaide.on.net (Ahmed) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:16:01 +1000 Subject: [Freegis-list] ArcView - Exporting spatial data Message-ID: <003601c365e7$15989dc0$0e00a8c0@Bush> Can anybody help me if there is an easy way to export (as a spreadsheet) the spatial coordinates of a points shapefile from ArcView? What I want is three columns output: Point ID, Latitude (DD or DMS), Longitude (DD or DMS) if shapefile is in geographic coordinates/projection Point ID, Easting (metres), Northings (metres) if shapefile is in local projection/datum, etc. This information is required to assist field teams when using a GPS to locate corresponding ground points. Also, is there an easy formula or a worksheet to quickly convert above DD coordinates to DMS? Bush PS. I tried an extension that converts point shapefile to dxf and then edited the dxf file as a text file to find all the coordinates but it takes too long if there are too many points. Also I had to manually convert DDs to DMS... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20030819/de75cc45/attachment.html From jan at intevation.de Tue Aug 19 08:58:00 2003 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:58:00 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] ArcView - Exporting spatial data In-Reply-To: <003601c365e7$15989dc0$0e00a8c0@Bush> References: <003601c365e7$15989dc0$0e00a8c0@Bush> Message-ID: <20030819065800.GA11502@intevation.de> On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 10:16:01AM +1000, Ahmed wrote: > Can anybody help me if there is an easy way to export (as a spreadsheet) the spatial coordinates of a points shapefile from ArcView? the Free Software library shapelib includes a sample tool that dumps the contents of a shapefile. With little knowledge about programming C, you can surely adapt it to output a text table (CSV) to then load into a spreadsheet. See http://gdal.velocet.ca/projects/shapelib/index.html Best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From topologis at t-online.de Tue Aug 19 09:06:57 2003 From: topologis at t-online.de (pk topologis) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:06:57 +0200 Subject: AW: [Freegis-list] Geomedia (Intergraph) Access Data Format In-Reply-To: <003601c365e7$15989dc0$0e00a8c0@Bush> Message-ID: <000701c36624$896ec660$0801a8c0@pk801> Hello I would like to know, how i can access Geomedia (Intergraph) Microsoft Access Data Format. Who can help me? Heinz From Michel.Garand at frankfurt-oder.de Fri Aug 22 07:45:25 2003 From: Michel.Garand at frankfurt-oder.de (Garand) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:45:25 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] WG: CORP2004, Conference/Call for papers Message-ID: <3C1D492352BCD2118A2E00105A096D7E014EBC2E@nt_server_3.frankfurt-oder.de> This conference may be of interest to people applying / offering Open (GIS) Source solutions in public administration. Best regards, Michel Garand Stadt Frankfurt (Oder) Amt 10: Abt. Informations- und Kommunikationssystemtechnik Goepelstrasse 38, D-15234 Frankfurt (Oder), Germany Tel.: +49 (0)335 / 552-1032 Fax: +49 (0)335 / 552-1095 michel.garand at frankfurt-oder.de > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Manfred Schrenk (MULTIMEDIAPLAN.AT) [SMTP:schrenk at multimediaplan.at] > Gesendet am: Freitag, 22. August 2003 07:17 > An: metadata-L at geocomm.com > Betreff: [metadata-L] CORP2004, IT-Regions, Open Source for Publik > Sector?: Conference/Call f. papers > > Conference, Call for papers > > Dear colleagues, > it?s my pleasure to announce > 9th international conference on information and communication technologies > in urban and spatial planning and > impacts of ICT on physical space > > > CORP2004 & GeoMultimedia04 > Feb. 25.-27. 2004, Vienna University of Technology > www.corp.at > > PAPER SUBMISSION / CALL FOR PAPERS open until October 31 2003. > > > Major topic of CORP2004: > IT-Regions: > Innovation and Technology as driving forces > for sustainable urban & regional development > > Special topic: > Open Source for public sector!?! > > > > CORP Symposions are held annually since 1996 and have become a major > european conference dealing with impacts of information- and communication > technologies on urban and spatial planning. New possibilties for using > technology as planning and administrative support tools, perspectives of > planning disciplines within the "information society" as well as "the > future of geographical space" are presented and discussed. > > > > Regards > Manfred Schrenk > > > ________________________________________________________ > MULTIMEDIAPLAN.AT DI Manfred Schrenk KEG > L?sungen f?r den realen und virtuellen Raum > Baumgasse 28, A-1030 Wien, AUSTRIA > fon: +43 (1) 892 85 02 od. 0664/2332498; fax: +43 (1) 8931302 > email: schrenk at multimediaplan.at > homepage: www.multimediaplan.at > Beratung und Dienstleistung in allen raum-relevanten Fragestellungen > > > > ============================================ > MULTIMEDIAPLAN.AT DI Manfred Schrenk KEG > L?sungen f?r den realen und virtuellen Raum > Solutions for real and virtual spaces > Baumgasse 28, A-1030 Wien, AUSTRIA > fon: +43 (1) 892 85 02 od. 0664/2332498; fax: +43 (1) 974 01 61 > email: schrenk at multimediaplan.at > homepage: www.multimediaplan.at > From neteler at itc.it Fri Aug 22 10:19:39 2003 From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:19:39 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] FWD: [SRTM 30 arc-sec global DEM] Message-ID: <20030822101939.C9980@itc.it> Find attached a fwd from IMAGRS-L Markus Neteler -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Tom Farr Subject: SRTM 30 arc-sec global DEM Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:43:11 -0700 Size: 967 Url: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20030822/64f58336/attachment.txt From neteler at itc.it Fri Aug 22 10:21:47 2003 From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:21:47 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: FWD: [SRTM 30 arc-sec global DEM] In-Reply-To: ; from tom.farr@JPL.NASA.GOV on Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 03:43:11PM -0700 Message-ID: <20030822102147.D9980@itc.it> It seems that the FreeGIS Mailman is eating the attachments in the archive: http://intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/2003-August/001494.html So once again as included message... Markus On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 03:43:11PM -0700, Tom Farr wrote: > Data from the Shuttle Radar Topography Mission have been used to > update the USGS GTOPO30 Digital Elevation Model of the Earth. The new > data have been averaged to 30 arc-sec resolution and replace the > older GTOPO30 pixels between the latitudes of 60 deg. North and 56 > deg. South. The data and further documentation may be found at the > following ftp site: > > edcftp.cr.usgs.gov/pub/data/srtm/SRTM30 > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr. Tom G Farr Deputy Project Scientist > phone: 818-354-9057 Shuttle Radar Topography Mission > fax: 818-354-9476 Jet Propulsion Lab > tom.farr at jpl.nasa.gov Pasadena, CA 91109 > > http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/ From mueller at lat-lon.de Tue Aug 26 11:25:11 2003 From: mueller at lat-lon.de (Markus =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCller?=) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:25:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Freegis-list] deegree and PostGIS Message-ID: <51089.141.91.240.142.1061889911.squirrel@mail.lat-lon.de> All, as we had a lot of requests regarding using PostGIS as a data source for deegree (especially its WMS and WFS), I thought it might be of interest to a wider audience that a first version of a postgis adapter (datastore) for deegree has now been implemented. The classes are available through CVS and are not yet included in the packaged WMS and WFS releases. cheers Markus -- Dr. Markus M?ller l a t / l o n Fitzke/Fretter/Poth GbR Meckenheimer Allee 176 53115 Bonn phone ++49 +177 2470742 http://www.lat-lon.de http://deegree.sf.net From jvarga at boulder.net Sun Aug 31 00:05:01 2003 From: jvarga at boulder.net (Jack Varga) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:05:01 -0600 Subject: [Freegis-list] [Fwd: [GRASSLIST: JUMP - DWG OPEN TOOLS?] Message-ID: <3F511F8D.1000408@boulder.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [GRASSLIST:1075] JUMP - DWG OPEN TOOLS? Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:30:28 -0500 From: Guillermo Felipe To: grass users References: <1062001153.3f4cda01952ca at imp.pro.proxad.net> <200308280910.h7S9AJP24244 at janacek.itc.it.> It?s always interesting to know about other open gis tools... www.vividsolutions.com/jump I?m working in a project to display geographic data (generally in dwg or shp) and sustainable development indicators in several cities, so this program is useful for our project...We need to provide open source tools to the cities in order to prepare gis data for MapSever and Postgis. But we have the eternal problem, most of the information is in autocad format and most of the municipal office?s don?t have gis or cad software. We are looking for open tools to transform the data (dwg to shape), any sugestion is welcome. (Most of this people is not familiar with linux and open source) Guillermo Mart?nez ------------------------------------------ Ministry of Environment - Colnodo Bogot?, Colombia gfmb at tutopia.com guillermo at colnodo.apc.org ----------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20030830/6b1b1f77/attachment.html From david.garnier at etudier-online.com Sun Aug 31 11:13:20 2003 From: david.garnier at etudier-online.com (David Garnier) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:13:20 -0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] [ANN] WKB4J 1.0 RC1 Message-ID: <1062321267.1270.9.camel@david.local> Hello, I'm happy to announce that WKB4J 1.0 RC1 has been released. WKB4J is a Java library designed to read the Well-Known Binary (WKB) format from a database (like PostGIS) and transform this data into corresponding Java objects. It supports several different GIS toolkits (JTS, PostGIS, OpenMap) and it is very easy to add support for another one. WKB4J is lean and mean, meaning that speed and reduced memory footprint were the primary design goals: I developed interesting performance tests which show that accross the board, WKB4J is 15 to 25 times faster than the equivalent WKT reader: http://wkb4j.sourceforge.net/benchmark.html The website is over there: http://wkb4j.sourceforge.net. You can download it from here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=66278. >From my point of view, WKB4J is ready for prime time, i.e. a 1.0 release. However I'm holding back this 1.0 release because I don't think that it has been tested on enough computers. I developed a complete set of tests and they all work quite well on my own box, but I'd like to make sure that it also work on most platforms. Of course there is still a few rough spots in documentation and such, but that's minor compared to the previous problems. So basically, what I'm saying is "Please, could you give it a try?". The documentation shows how to use the library. Thanks in advance. The best place to discuss about WKB4J and ask questions is the wkb4j-users at lists.sourceforge.net mailing list, because these mails are automatically archived and available through the web. Best Regards, -- David Garnier From bruce_dodson at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 16:58:03 2003 From: bruce_dodson at hotmail.com (Bruce Dodson) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:58:03 -0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: ArcView - Exporting spatial data References: <003601c365e7$15989dc0$0e00a8c0@Bush> Message-ID: If you mean ArcView 3.x, the free extension AVPython can be used to access Excel from within ArcView. Then a very simple script could load the geometry and IDs into a spreadsheet. http://avpython.sourceforge.net In ArcView 8.x, the same could be done using VBA instead of Python to control Excel, and again VBA (instead of Avenue) to access the shapefiles. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ahmed Newsgroups: gmane.comp.gis.freegis Cc: Dean Howell ; Anthony O'Flaherty Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:16 PM Subject: ArcView - Exporting spatial data Can anybody help me if there is an easy way to export (as a spreadsheet) the spatial coordinates of a points shapefile from ArcView? What I want is three columns output: Point ID, Latitude (DD or DMS), Longitude (DD or DMS) if shapefile is in geographic coordinates/projection Point ID, Easting (metres), Northings (metres) if shapefile is in local projection/datum, etc. This information is required to assist field teams when using a GPS to locate corresponding ground points. Also, is there an easy formula or a worksheet to quickly convert above DD coordinates to DMS? Bush PS. I tried an extension that converts point shapefile to dxf and then edited the dxf file as a text file to find all the coordinates but it takes too long if there are too many points. Also I had to manually convert DDs to DMS... _______________________________________________ Freegis-list mailing list Freegis-list at intevation.de https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list