From bh at udev.org  Sun Sep  1 22:30:06 2002
From: bh at udev.org (Henrion Benjamin)
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:30:06 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Nobody goes to Trento?
Message-ID: <20020901203006.GA13335@localhost>

Hello,

I would like to go to the Trento GRASS conference from 11 to 13
september. Nobody goes there? I'm looking for a lift.

I'm located in Louvain-La-Neuve, 20km from Brussels, or in Luxembourg.
If you go, I can share the travel cost with you.

Thank you,

-- 
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http://bh.udev.org



From baba at daido-it.co.jp  Mon Sep  2 13:21:11 2002
From: baba at daido-it.co.jp (BABA Yoshihiko)
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 20:21:11 +0900
Subject: [Freegis-list] Pacific Ocean...
References: <20020710095751.14238.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D7349A7.7060703@daido-it.co.jp>

Dear,


Sorry if this is off topic.

My colleagues is working on CAD to create GIS data.  Because of their 
skills, I would like them to use AutoCAD, although the data will be 
exported later to our GIS.  The problem is, AutoCAD does not seem to 
have any function to link the graphical data to tabular data (Correct me 
if I am wrong).  But a quick look at DXF format seems itis able to have 
ID at least, or even the attributes.

Could anyone please give me any advice how you can add such data into DXF?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
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System Development and Measurement
KMOC
Daido Information Technology
T +81 (0)3 3316 8321
F +81 (0)3 3316 5252




From neteler at itc.it  Mon Sep  2 19:15:38 2002
From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:15:38 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] GRASS Conference venue slightly changed (11-13 September 2002)
Message-ID: <20020902191538.T30146@itc.it>

Notification:

 Open Source Free Software GIS - GRASS users conference 2002
 Trento, Italy, 11-13 September 2002

The location of the conference has changed (another building)! This will
provide a better location for the meeting.
The sessions of the 'Open source GIS - GRASS users conference 2002' will be
held in the Law Faculty (Facolta' di Giurisprudenza) of the University of
Trento. The new address is 

   Facolta' di Giurisprudenza (Law Faculty)
   Via Verdi 53, 38100 Trento, Italy,

near Piazza Duomo in the city center.

For details: See the venue page at:
 http://www.ing.unitn.it/~grass/venue.html

Map:
 http://www.ing.unitn.it/~grass/cartina_TN.jpg

Kind regards

 Markus Neteler



From paul at toolscenter.org  Tue Sep  3 03:10:02 2002
From: paul at toolscenter.org (Paul Selormey)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:10:02 +0900
Subject: [Freegis-list] Dem3d sources
Message-ID: <000701c252e6$a3f1be40$700201c0@MAPQUEST.local>

Hello All,
The public domain Dem3D source codes are no longer available for download.
Anyone got the source codes?

The link provided on the freegis.org site does not lead to the source code
site.

Best regards,
Paul.





From bernhard at intevation.de  Tue Sep  3 12:40:42 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:40:42 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Dem3d sources
In-Reply-To: <000701c252e6$a3f1be40$700201c0@MAPQUEST.local>
References: <000701c252e6$a3f1be40$700201c0@MAPQUEST.local>
Message-ID: <20020903104042.GL17411@intevation.de>

On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 10:10:02AM +0900, Paul Selormey wrote:
> The public domain Dem3D source codes are no longer available for download.
> Anyone got the source codes?

We've got a copy probably downloaded in August 2000.
2855735 dem3dsrc.tar.gz md5sum 0016bbd98be47a9d0e8be8e080e4dc0e  
One history.txt file says: V2.0a (1/3/1998)
If you want I can email it to you.

I don't know if this is the last version.
Anybody having a newer one?

You should also write an official email to USGS Mid-Continent
Mapping Center (MCMC) and the Crater Lake Data Clearinghouse and complain.

> The link provided on the freegis.org site does not lead to the source code
> site.

Thanks for the hint.
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From paul at toolscenter.org  Tue Sep  3 13:03:28 2002
From: paul at toolscenter.org (Paul Selormey)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:03:28 +0900
Subject: [Freegis-list] Dem3d sources
References: <000701c252e6$a3f1be40$700201c0@MAPQUEST.local> <20020903104042.GL17411@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <000c01c25339$8a93ab90$700201c0@MAPQUEST.local>

Hello Bernhard,
Thanks for the offer and the response. Please email it to me.

Best regards,
Paul.





From bh at udev.org  Thu Sep  5 14:41:45 2002
From: bh at udev.org (Henrion Benjamin)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:41:45 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Grass in debian
Message-ID: <20020905124145.GA21178@localhost>

http://packages.debian.org/unstable/science/grass.html

Good apt-get install...

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http://bh.udev.org



From neteler at itc.it  Thu Sep  5 18:14:35 2002
From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:14:35 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] GRASS 5.0.0 released!
Message-ID: <20020905181435.G2057@itc.it>

Dear GRASS community,

GRASS 5.0.0 (final) is released.

Find the code at
 http://grass.itc.it
(on the mirrors the next days)

There is also a press release:
http://grass.itc.it/announces/press_release500.html

May I say: champagne?!

Cheers

  Markus Neteler



From blazek at itc.it  Fri Sep  6 10:55:59 2002
From: blazek at itc.it (Radim Blazek)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:55:59 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Sample 3D shapefiles
Message-ID: <02090610555902.13195@janacek>

Hi,

does anybody know about any free sample 3D shapefiles? Just for tests.
(true 3D not 2.5D)

Radim



From bernhard at intevation.de  Sat Sep  7 15:18:10 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:18:10 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] mdb2shapefile - Access ==> ShapeFile exporting tool
Message-ID: <20020907131810.GB18681@intevation.de>

The author Eduardo Patto Kanegae < eduardo @ scopotecnologia.com.br >
brought to our attention that he published a tool to export access 
databases into dbf files used by shapefiles named mdb2shapefile.
Written in VisualBasic, published under GNU GPL.

http://www.scopotecnologia.com.br

This link directly gives you binary and source in a zip:
http://www.scopotecnologia.com.br/download.php?download=17


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From bernhard at intevation.de  Fri Sep 13 11:57:11 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:57:11 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] JaGo renamed to deegree
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JaGo was renamed to deegree, if you search for the webpage:
	www.deegree.org

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From greg at harmakhis.org  Fri Sep 13 12:03:46 2002
From: greg at harmakhis.org (G. Orme)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:03:46 +1000
Subject: [Freegis-list] JaGo renamed to deegree
In-Reply-To: <20020913095711.GD9394@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <002a01c25b0c$da7e7150$5d3731d2@office2000>

Hi,
I'm looking for a program that I can input latitude and longitude of
coordinates and it will put them on a map of any projection. Are there
any programs available like that? Ideally I would have a list of
coordinates in Excel to input with.

Greg.

-----Original Message-----
From: freegis-list-admin at intevation.de
[mailto:freegis-list-admin at intevation.de] On Behalf Of Bernhard Reiter
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 7:57 PM
To: freegis-list at intevation.de
Subject: [Freegis-list] JaGo renamed to deegree

JaGo was renamed to deegree, if you search for the webpage:
	www.deegree.org

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From bernhard at intevation.de  Fri Sep 13 12:22:20 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:22:20 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] JaGo renamed to deegree
In-Reply-To: <002a01c25b0c$da7e7150$5d3731d2@office2000>
References: <20020913095711.GD9394@intevation.de> <002a01c25b0c$da7e7150$5d3731d2@office2000>
Message-ID: <20020913102220.GI9394@intevation.de>

Many software packages listed on freegis.org can do this, like gmt.
You might have to export the coordinates to an ascii file.

But what has this doto with the renaming of JaGo?


On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 08:03:46PM +1000, G. Orme wrote:
> I'm looking for a program that I can input latitude and longitude of
> coordinates and it will put them on a map of any projection. Are there
> any programs available like that? Ideally I would have a list of
> coordinates in Excel to input with.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: freegis-list-admin at intevation.de
> [mailto:freegis-list-admin at intevation.de] On Behalf Of Bernhard Reiter
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 7:57 PM
> To: freegis-list at intevation.de
> Subject: [Freegis-list] JaGo renamed to deegree
> 
> JaGo was renamed to deegree, if you search for the webpage:
> 	www.deegree.org
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From greg at harmakhis.org  Fri Sep 13 12:36:48 2002
From: greg at harmakhis.org (G. Orme)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:36:48 +1000
Subject: [Freegis-list] mapping coordinates
Message-ID: <003901c25b11$77cc6210$5d3731d2@office2000>

Are there any windows programs that do it?


-----Original Message-----
From: freegis-list-admin at intevation.de
[mailto:freegis-list-admin at intevation.de] On Behalf Of Bernhard Reiter
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 8:22 PM
To: freegis-list at intevation.de
Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] JaGo renamed to deegree

Many software packages listed on freegis.org can do this, like gmt.
You might have to export the coordinates to an ascii file.

But what has this doto with the renaming of JaGo?


On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 08:03:46PM +1000, G. Orme wrote:
> I'm looking for a program that I can input latitude and longitude of
> coordinates and it will put them on a map of any projection. Are there
> any programs available like that? Ideally I would have a list of
> coordinates in Excel to input with.






From greg at harmakhis.org  Fri Sep 13 12:38:03 2002
From: greg at harmakhis.org (G. Orme)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:38:03 +1000
Subject: [Freegis-list] mapping coordinates
Message-ID: <003a01c25b11$a4bebb10$5d3731d2@office2000>

Thanks, I'm not sure I know how to use it though.



-----Original Message-----
From: Pedro Pereira Goncalves [mailto:pedro at inovagis.org] 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 8:15 PM
To: G. Orme
Subject: RE: [Freegis-list] JaGo renamed to deegree

Hi
Check out this online tool
http://www.inovagis.org/giserver/functions.geoconvert.asp

its free and you can copy paste your data from excel to your web
browsers

all the best
Pedro

At 08:03 PM 9/13/02 +1000, you wrote:

>Hi,
>I'm looking for a program that I can input latitude and longitude of
>coordinates and it will put them on a map of any projection. Are there
>any programs available like that? Ideally I would have a list of
>coordinates in Excel to input with.
>
>Greg.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: freegis-list-admin at intevation.de
>[mailto:freegis-list-admin at intevation.de] On Behalf Of Bernhard Reiter
>Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 7:57 PM
>To: freegis-list at intevation.de
>Subject: [Freegis-list] JaGo renamed to deegree
>
>JaGo was renamed to deegree, if you search for the webpage:
>         www.deegree.org
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:50:18 +0200
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From sxpert at esitcom.org  Mon Sep 16 13:48:21 2002
From: sxpert at esitcom.org (Amaury Jacquot)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:48:21 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] New GPS software in the making
Message-ID: <20020916114821.GC31468@www.esitcom.org>

This is to announce my new project (already at version 0.0.5) : navsys
Navsys will be an integrated ogg player and GPS navigation tool.
Currently, I am concentrating on the GPS functionnality (I have the ogg
done from a perl script currently (not published yet).

The web site is 
http://sxpert.esitcom.org/projects/navsys

Feel free to send me comments

Sincerely

Amaury



From roger at sylvanmaps.com  Mon Sep 16 18:45:55 2002
From: roger at sylvanmaps.com (Roger Bedell)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:45:55 -0600
Subject: [Freegis-list] New GPS software in the making
In-Reply-To: <20020916114821.GC31468@www.esitcom.org>
Message-ID: <001201c25da0$874b1330$655b88cc@vaio>


Last year a rep from Trimble contacted us about their GPS components.
Apparently there is a patent that covers the use of GPS within a GIS
(not by Trimble, but another company which I have forgotton). Anyone
else run into this?

Roger

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Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 5:48 AM
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Subject: [Freegis-list] New GPS software in the making

This is to announce my new project (already at version 0.0.5) : navsys
Navsys will be an integrated ogg player and GPS navigation tool.
Currently, I am concentrating on the GPS functionnality (I have the ogg
done from a perl script currently (not published yet).

The web site is 
http://sxpert.esitcom.org/projects/navsys

Feel free to send me comments

Sincerely

Amaury

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From paul at toolscenter.org  Tue Sep 17 12:23:18 2002
From: paul at toolscenter.org (Paul Selormey)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:23:18 +0900
Subject: [Freegis-list] Dlgv32
Message-ID: <000701c25e34$44306d90$700201c0@MAPQUEST.local>

Hello All,
Anyone using the dlgv32 viewer from USGS?
I have started updating the codes and could send it to
anyone interested.

For the start, I have made very simple improvements:
1. Changed the help from RTF-based WinHelp to Html Help for
   easy editing and updating.

2. Updated the drawing to use double buffer - reducing the flicker
   (it now works similar to the commercial version - dlgv32 Pro).

3. Updated the user-interface a bit.

4. Added support for mouse wheel (for zooming).

5. Fixed some bugs.

With the exception of the export support in the dlgv32 pro, I hope
to bring it closer to the level of the dlgv32 pro. Any help will be
highly appreciated. Also suggestions for improvements are welcomed.

At the same time, I am working on the 3D viewer - Dem3D (no longer
being maintained) and will post information on this later.

Best regards,
Paul.





From mymail at harmakhis.org  Sat Sep  7 15:57:35 2002
From: mymail at harmakhis.org (G. Orme)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:57:35 +1000
Subject: [Freegis-list] program to input latitudes and longitudes so it will plot them on any map projection
Message-ID: <00f001c25676$861fb5f0$5d3731d2@office2000>

Hi,
I'm looking for a program to input latitudes and longitudes so it will
plot them on any map projection. Does anyone know a program like this?
 
Greg.
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From dstevens at bulkley.net  Mon Sep  9 01:14:56 2002
From: dstevens at bulkley.net (Dave Stevens)
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 16:14:56 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] no xterm?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020908161325.00a459f0@pop3.norton.antivirus>

I've recently installed Grass 5 on my Mandrake 8.2 system and am making 
some headway getting used to it. I am hampered, though, by an apparent 
inability of the GUI to open an xterm. When I try to open a new xterm 
through the menu I get this error message -

(traceback)

couldn't execute "xterm": no such file or directory
     while executing
"exec xterm -geometry 40x5 -e d.mon start=$monitor"
     (procedure "start_monitor" line 17)
     invoked from within
"start_monitor x0"
     invoked from within
".main_menu.mb0.m.m0.m0 invoke active"
     ("uplevel" body line 1)
     invoked from within
"uplevel #0 [list $w invoke active]"
     (procedure "tkMenuInvoke" line 47)
     invoked from within
"tkMenuInvoke .main_menu.mb0.m.m0.m0 1
"
     (command bound to event)

The system is like this:

TCLTKGRASS 3.2 (April 2001)
GRASS 5.0.0pre3 (January 2002)

and the system info from the help menu is:



============================================================================
System Information
============================================================================
Platform                Unix
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Operating System        Linux
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
OS Version              2.4.18-6mdk
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Processor Type (arch)   i686
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Full OS ID              Linux-2.4.18-6mdk-i686
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tcl Version/Patchlevel  8.3.3
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Name of Executable      /usr/bin/wish
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Name of current Script  /usr/local/grass5/tcltkgrass/main/tksys.tcl
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hostname                localhost.localdomain
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
User Name               dave
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

If I go to the open terminal window and type: d.mon start=x0 the new window 
opens ok and behaves well.

Any and all advice appreciated.

Dave
dstevens at bulkley.net


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long enough to get money from it. "
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Leacock

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From ppiyasiri at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 17 23:27:24 2002
From: ppiyasiri at hotmail.com (piyasiri pelanda)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:27:24 +1000
Subject: [Freegis-list] (no subject)
Message-ID: <F37jU9f8LXsee0p81Tx000030d4@hotmail.com>


thank you piyasiri

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From bernhard at intevation.de  Wed Sep 18 12:33:32 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:33:32 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] no xterm?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020908161325.00a459f0@pop3.norton.antivirus>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020908161325.00a459f0@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <20020918103332.GF26101@intevation.de>

This is not the right mailinglist to ask such questions.
It seems like a question for the GRASS user list.
	http://grass.itc.it/support.html

On Sun, Sep 08, 2002 at 04:14:56PM -0700, Dave Stevens wrote:
> I've recently installed Grass 5 on my Mandrake 8.2 system and am making 
> some headway getting used to it. I am hampered, though, by an apparent 
> inability of the GUI to open an xterm. When I try to open a new xterm 
> through the menu I get this error message -
> 
> (traceback)
> 
> couldn't execute "xterm": no such file or directory
>     while executing
> "exec xterm -geometry 40x5 -e d.mon start=$monitor"
>     (procedure "start_monitor" line 17)
>     invoked from within
> "start_monitor x0"
>     invoked from within
> ".main_menu.mb0.m.m0.m0 invoke active"
>     ("uplevel" body line 1)
>     invoked from within
> "uplevel #0 [list $w invoke active]"
>     (procedure "tkMenuInvoke" line 47)
>     invoked from within
> "tkMenuInvoke .main_menu.mb0.m.m0.m0 1
> "
>     (command bound to event)
> 
> The system is like this:
> 
> TCLTKGRASS 3.2 (April 2001)
> GRASS 5.0.0pre3 (January 2002)
> 
> and the system info from the help menu is:
> Full OS ID              Linux-2.4.18-6mdk-i686
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From bernhard at intevation.de  Wed Sep 18 12:35:52 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:35:52 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Dlgv32
In-Reply-To: <000701c25e34$44306d90$700201c0@MAPQUEST.local>
References: <000701c25e34$44306d90$700201c0@MAPQUEST.local>
Message-ID: <20020918103552.GG26101@intevation.de>

On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 07:23:18PM +0900, Paul Selormey wrote:
> Anyone using the dlgv32 viewer from USGS?
> I have started updating the codes and could send it to
> anyone interested.

Can you put it on a server for download and post an URL?

:)

> 2. Updated the drawing to use double buffer - reducing the flicker
>    (it now works similar to the commercial version - dlgv32 Pro).

You probably mean the proprietory version (dlgb32 pro).

> At the same time, I am working on the 3D viewer - Dem3D (no longer
> being maintained) and will post information on this later.

Thanks for informing us and contributing to Free Software.
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From maps at reach.net  Sat Sep 21 04:54:32 2002
From: maps at reach.net (steve whitehead)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:54:32 -0400
Subject: [Freegis-list] Redistribution Rights
Message-ID: <jUsT.aNoTheR.mEsSaGe.iD.103257662219093@www.reach.net>

Hello All,

Can anyone clearly explain what this means?  Does this mean ESRI 
owns any Tiger 2000 files in shapefile format?

Redistribution Rights: Other than ESRI's intellectual property rights 
in the shapefile format, ESRI claims no ownership or proprietary 
rights in the TIGER/Line? 2000 data itself.
-download disclaimer

Thanks

Steve









From pucher at atlas.gis.univie.ac.at  Sat Sep 21 14:12:22 2002
From: pucher at atlas.gis.univie.ac.at (Alexander Pucher)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:12:22 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Conference Speech
Message-ID: <3D8C6226.5070302@atlas.gis.univie.ac.at>

Hi,

I just wanted to inform the freegis-list members that I will hold a 
speech about 'Applied Geoinformation and Online-Mapping with Open-Source 
Software' on Oct. 3rd at this years LinuxDas in Luxembourg. 
(http://www.linuxday.lu)

You can find the presentation abstract here: 
http://www.linuxday.lu/lxd_home_abstracts/lxd_abstracts.html#LxD_REF_ABSTRACT_Pucher

Regards,
alex



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Tel: (+43 1) 4277 48644
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From bernhard at intevation.de  Sun Sep 22 17:24:17 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:24:17 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Conference Speech
In-Reply-To: <3D8C6226.5070302@atlas.gis.univie.ac.at>
References: <3D8C6226.5070302@atlas.gis.univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <20020922152417.GE7338@intevation.de>

On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 02:12:22PM +0200, Alexander Pucher wrote:
> I just wanted to inform the freegis-list members that I will hold a 
> speech about 'Applied Geoinformation and Online-Mapping with Open-Source 
> Software' on Oct. 3rd at this years LinuxDas in Luxembourg. 
> (http://www.linuxday.lu)
> 
> You can find the presentation abstract here: 
> http://www.linuxday.lu/lxd_home_abstracts/lxd_abstracts.html#LxD_REF_ABSTRACT_Pucher

Thanks for the information.

From the abstract it looks like you will not address the problems
with the freedom to use, modify and redistribute software and geo data.
"Free Geodata Sources" seems to relate to price not to "free speech".

But freedom is the biggest problem with software and geo data that we face
and we need to educate people about it. Otherwise we would never
gotten Free Software like the GNU/Linux operating system or keep it.
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From Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca  Mon Sep 23 18:46:05 2002
From: Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca (Matt.Wilkie)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:46:05 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] time based  maps
Message-ID: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D075312E82464@raptor.gov.yk.ca>

The open source community is often accused of merely "chasing tail lights"
instead of actively engaging in developing truly innovative features. Well I
believe I've identified an area which addresses a real need but for which
there are no tools available (that I'm aware of) - proprietary or not.

Time based maps: the base units of measurement are *time* instead of space.
The length of a highway line on a map represents how long it takes to drive
from Berlin to Paris, not how many kilometers apart they are.

Most of the time when people ask how far away the next town is, they don't
really want to know how far it is, but rather how long it will take them to
get there.

I envision a set of georeferenced vectors with database attributes that
indicated the quality of the road and the posted speed limit. When the
cartographer creates the map she decides on a scale of 1cm:10min and selects
the vector(s) which the map will be centered on. The software tool then
expands/contracts the length of the vector(s) to match and surrounding
topography is rubber-sheeted or morphed accordingly.

Naturally not everybody travels the same way. Some have ferraris, others
freightliners, still others prefer bicycles and some just like to walk. This
just begs for an internet mapping application where the user can chose their
method of conveyance. 

Also consider the application in large cities where the traffic density
could be taken into account and near real time maps depicting how long it
will *really* take to get to work this morning are shown.

BTW, I can't take any credit for this idea, it's not mine. I've been
thinking about for some years, ever since I saw some Inuit drawn maps from
the 18th/19th century showing the northern coastlines of Canada. In my
youthful arrogance I commented on how primitive the maps were, lacking all
concept of projection or relative size. My teacher then demonstrated how the
maps were actually incredibly accurate -- if one were paddling in a kayak
and keeping track of how long it took to get to the next base camp. Score
another one for "primitive" societies.

cheers,


-- Matt Wilkie 
--------------------------------------------
Geographic Information,
Information Management and Technology,
Yukon Department of Environment
-------------------------------------------- 



From anselm at hook.org  Mon Sep 23 21:09:18 2002
From: anselm at hook.org (Anselm Hook)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:09:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Freegis-list] time based  maps
In-Reply-To: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D075312E82464@raptor.gov.yk.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0209231205570.23040-100000@webserver>

A friend one mentioned a similar idea - It was appealing - that the actual
landscape or mental map we have isn't exactly literal.  Some paths are
longer because of red lights or certain neighhbours we want to avoid.

As you said - you could take an ordinary map and apply a rendering
deformation based on the 'real' length of the navigation routes in it.
Sounds great!

 - a

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Matt.Wilkie wrote:

> The open source community is often accused of merely "chasing tail lights"
> instead of actively engaging in developing truly innovative features. Well I
> believe I've identified an area which addresses a real need but for which
> there are no tools available (that I'm aware of) - proprietary or not.
>
> Time based maps: the base units of measurement are *time* instead of space.
> The length of a highway line on a map represents how long it takes to drive
> from Berlin to Paris, not how many kilometers apart they are.
>
> Most of the time when people ask how far away the next town is, they don't
> really want to know how far it is, but rather how long it will take them to
> get there.
>
> I envision a set of georeferenced vectors with database attributes that
> indicated the quality of the road and the posted speed limit. When the
> cartographer creates the map she decides on a scale of 1cm:10min and selects
> the vector(s) which the map will be centered on. The software tool then
> expands/contracts the length of the vector(s) to match and surrounding
> topography is rubber-sheeted or morphed accordingly.
>
> Naturally not everybody travels the same way. Some have ferraris, others
> freightliners, still others prefer bicycles and some just like to walk. This
> just begs for an internet mapping application where the user can chose their
> method of conveyance.
>
> Also consider the application in large cities where the traffic density
> could be taken into account and near real time maps depicting how long it
> will *really* take to get to work this morning are shown.
>
> BTW, I can't take any credit for this idea, it's not mine. I've been
> thinking about for some years, ever since I saw some Inuit drawn maps from
> the 18th/19th century showing the northern coastlines of Canada. In my
> youthful arrogance I commented on how primitive the maps were, lacking all
> concept of projection or relative size. My teacher then demonstrated how the
> maps were actually incredibly accurate -- if one were paddling in a kayak
> and keeping track of how long it took to get to the next base camp. Score
> another one for "primitive" societies.
>
> cheers,
>
>
> -- Matt Wilkie
> --------------------------------------------
> Geographic Information,
> Information Management and Technology,
> Yukon Department of Environment
> --------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Freegis-list mailing list
> Freegis-list at intevation.de
> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
>




From Christian.Kaiser at mus.ch  Mon Sep 23 21:59:36 2002
From: Christian.Kaiser at mus.ch (Christian Kaiser)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:59:36 -0400
Subject: [Freegis-list] time based  maps
In-Reply-To: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D075312E82464@raptor.gov.yk.ca>
References: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D075312E82464@raptor.gov.yk.ca>
Message-ID: <a05101001b9b51c657514@[132.208.188.86]>

Time based maps are an old concept, that's right. Sometimes, you can
find them still today. But there are a couple of problems with those
maps.
Imagine two towns A and B. They are at a distance of 10 km. But there
is a mountain between them. So you have to drive 20 km from A to B.
And you will be slower because it is a pass road. So you will have 30
minutes for the 10 km. When you like to make a time map, you have to
"flaten" the moutain. These means you have to make a sort of
projection, or a distorsion. This is possible in some cases, but not
in other cases. Normally, you will have a map which is not very
exact. So far for the problem of mapping time.
There is an algorithm who creates a sort of map from a matrix of
distances which is called "multidimensional scaling". The algorithm
is quite similar to the one for a Factor Analysis. Some statistic
programs (like SPSS) can do the multidimensional scaling and produce
simple time maps.
What actually would be more interesting is to produce isolines of
travel time that you plot upon a normal (projected) map. Perhaps
somebody knows how to do it...

Christian Kaiser




>Time based maps: the base units of measurement are *time* instead of space.
>The length of a highway line on a map represents how long it takes to drive
>from Berlin to Paris, not how many kilometers apart they are.
>
>Most of the time when people ask how far away the next town is, they don't
>really want to know how far it is, but rather how long it will take them to
>get there.
>
>I envision a set of georeferenced vectors with database attributes that
>indicated the quality of the road and the posted speed limit. When the
>cartographer creates the map she decides on a scale of 1cm:10min and selects
>the vector(s) which the map will be centered on. The software tool then
>expands/contracts the length of the vector(s) to match and surrounding
>topography is rubber-sheeted or morphed accordingly.
>
>Naturally not everybody travels the same way. Some have ferraris, others
>freightliners, still others prefer bicycles and some just like to walk. This
>just begs for an internet mapping application where the user can chose their
>method of conveyance.
>
>Also consider the application in large cities where the traffic density
>could be taken into account and near real time maps depicting how long it
>will *really* take to get to work this morning are shown.
>
>BTW, I can't take any credit for this idea, it's not mine. I've been
>thinking about for some years, ever since I saw some Inuit drawn maps from
>the 18th/19th century showing the northern coastlines of Canada. In my
>youthful arrogance I commented on how primitive the maps were, lacking all
>concept of projection or relative size. My teacher then demonstrated how the
>maps were actually incredibly accurate -- if one were paddling in a kayak
>and keeping track of how long it took to get to the next base camp. Score
>another one for "primitive" societies.
>
>cheers,
>
>
>-- Matt Wilkie
>--------------------------------------------
>Geographic Information,
>Information Management and Technology,
>Yukon Department of Environment
>--------------------------------------------
>
>_______________________________________________
>Freegis-list mailing list
>Freegis-list at intevation.de
>https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list


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From DMartin at erac.com  Mon Sep 23 22:30:06 2002
From: DMartin at erac.com (Martin, Daniel)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:30:06 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] time based  maps
Message-ID: <4ACBA1414DD9EE418CC250E4AAA9035A192B2B@STL-EXBE-I03.corp.erac.com>

It sounds nice, but I don't understand how a connected network of streets
can be expressed in units of time.  Often you have a highway with an average
traveling speed of 65 mph and right beside it you have a parallel side
street with an average traveling speed of 20 mph.  The two streets then have
perpendicular cross streets connecting them.

Perhaps you see it differently than I do.  

-Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: Anselm Hook [mailto:anselm at hook.org]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Matt.Wilkie
Cc: freegis-list at intevation.de
Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] time based maps



A friend one mentioned a similar idea - It was appealing - that the actual
landscape or mental map we have isn't exactly literal.  Some paths are
longer because of red lights or certain neighhbours we want to avoid.

As you said - you could take an ordinary map and apply a rendering
deformation based on the 'real' length of the navigation routes in it.
Sounds great!

 - a

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Matt.Wilkie wrote:

> The open source community is often accused of merely "chasing tail lights"
> instead of actively engaging in developing truly innovative features. Well
I
> believe I've identified an area which addresses a real need but for which
> there are no tools available (that I'm aware of) - proprietary or not.
>
> Time based maps: the base units of measurement are *time* instead of
space.
> The length of a highway line on a map represents how long it takes to
drive
> from Berlin to Paris, not how many kilometers apart they are.
>
> Most of the time when people ask how far away the next town is, they don't
> really want to know how far it is, but rather how long it will take them
to
> get there.
>
> I envision a set of georeferenced vectors with database attributes that
> indicated the quality of the road and the posted speed limit. When the
> cartographer creates the map she decides on a scale of 1cm:10min and
selects
> the vector(s) which the map will be centered on. The software tool then
> expands/contracts the length of the vector(s) to match and surrounding
> topography is rubber-sheeted or morphed accordingly.
>
> Naturally not everybody travels the same way. Some have ferraris, others
> freightliners, still others prefer bicycles and some just like to walk.
This
> just begs for an internet mapping application where the user can chose
their
> method of conveyance.
>
> Also consider the application in large cities where the traffic density
> could be taken into account and near real time maps depicting how long it
> will *really* take to get to work this morning are shown.
>
> BTW, I can't take any credit for this idea, it's not mine. I've been
> thinking about for some years, ever since I saw some Inuit drawn maps from
> the 18th/19th century showing the northern coastlines of Canada. In my
> youthful arrogance I commented on how primitive the maps were, lacking all
> concept of projection or relative size. My teacher then demonstrated how
the
> maps were actually incredibly accurate -- if one were paddling in a kayak
> and keeping track of how long it took to get to the next base camp. Score
> another one for "primitive" societies.
>
> cheers,
>
>
> -- Matt Wilkie
> --------------------------------------------
> Geographic Information,
> Information Management and Technology,
> Yukon Department of Environment
> --------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Freegis-list mailing list
> Freegis-list at intevation.de
> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
>


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From anselm at hook.org  Mon Sep 23 23:06:25 2002
From: anselm at hook.org (Anselm Hook)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:06:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Freegis-list] time based  maps
In-Reply-To: <4ACBA1414DD9EE418CC250E4AAA9035A192B2B@STL-EXBE-I03.corp.erac.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0209231401560.873-100000@webserver>

No doubt it would look weird but thats just topology.  Maybe a more
comprehensible way would be to show human subjective distance as another
dimension such as say elevation - human slow paths would be suggested by a
steep hill to ascend and descend.

Actually it could be pretty useful even for casual users; a visitor to the
bay area might see that the 280 is *way* shorter than the 101 around rush
hour.

Or squiggly lines could represent slowness; a freeway would look straight
and the slow parallel street would be serpentine.

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Martin, Daniel wrote:

> It sounds nice, but I don't understand how a connected network of streets
> can be expressed in units of time.  Often you have a highway with an average
> traveling speed of 65 mph and right beside it you have a parallel side
> street with an average traveling speed of 20 mph.  The two streets then have
> perpendicular cross streets connecting them.
>
> Perhaps you see it differently than I do.
>
> -Dan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anselm Hook [mailto:anselm at hook.org]
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:09 PM
> To: Matt.Wilkie
> Cc: freegis-list at intevation.de
> Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] time based maps
>
>
>
> A friend one mentioned a similar idea - It was appealing - that the actual
> landscape or mental map we have isn't exactly literal.  Some paths are
> longer because of red lights or certain neighhbours we want to avoid.
>
> As you said - you could take an ordinary map and apply a rendering
> deformation based on the 'real' length of the navigation routes in it.
> Sounds great!
>
>  - a
>
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Matt.Wilkie wrote:
>
> > The open source community is often accused of merely "chasing tail lights"
> > instead of actively engaging in developing truly innovative features. Well
> I
> > believe I've identified an area which addresses a real need but for which
> > there are no tools available (that I'm aware of) - proprietary or not.
> >
> > Time based maps: the base units of measurement are *time* instead of
> space.
> > The length of a highway line on a map represents how long it takes to
> drive
> > from Berlin to Paris, not how many kilometers apart they are.
> >
> > Most of the time when people ask how far away the next town is, they don't
> > really want to know how far it is, but rather how long it will take them
> to
> > get there.
> >
> > I envision a set of georeferenced vectors with database attributes that
> > indicated the quality of the road and the posted speed limit. When the
> > cartographer creates the map she decides on a scale of 1cm:10min and
> selects
> > the vector(s) which the map will be centered on. The software tool then
> > expands/contracts the length of the vector(s) to match and surrounding
> > topography is rubber-sheeted or morphed accordingly.
> >
> > Naturally not everybody travels the same way. Some have ferraris, others
> > freightliners, still others prefer bicycles and some just like to walk.
> This
> > just begs for an internet mapping application where the user can chose
> their
> > method of conveyance.
> >
> > Also consider the application in large cities where the traffic density
> > could be taken into account and near real time maps depicting how long it
> > will *really* take to get to work this morning are shown.
> >
> > BTW, I can't take any credit for this idea, it's not mine. I've been
> > thinking about for some years, ever since I saw some Inuit drawn maps from
> > the 18th/19th century showing the northern coastlines of Canada. In my
> > youthful arrogance I commented on how primitive the maps were, lacking all
> > concept of projection or relative size. My teacher then demonstrated how
> the
> > maps were actually incredibly accurate -- if one were paddling in a kayak
> > and keeping track of how long it took to get to the next base camp. Score
> > another one for "primitive" societies.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> >
> > -- Matt Wilkie
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Geographic Information,
> > Information Management and Technology,
> > Yukon Department of Environment
> > --------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Freegis-list mailing list
> > Freegis-list at intevation.de
> > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Freegis-list mailing list
> Freegis-list at intevation.de
> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
>
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> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
>




From DMartin at erac.com  Tue Sep 24 00:34:46 2002
From: DMartin at erac.com (Martin, Daniel)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:34:46 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] time based  maps
Message-ID: <4ACBA1414DD9EE418CC250E4AAA9035A192B2D@STL-EXBE-I03.corp.erac.com>

Although I still have a hard time relating these concepts to a street
network, I would suggest that some of the easiest correlations are with
computer network topology.  They are identical concepts.  You can easily
measure the ping time between any two network nodes.  Now we have exactly
what you are referring to.  Computer networks are just easier to gather the
data - you can almost do it in real time.  There's plenty of research
already out there on the subject, and many models and applications that I
imagine could render a street layer the same way they render the network.

Just my 2 cents,
Dan




-----Original Message-----
From: Anselm Hook [mailto:anselm at hook.org]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 4:06 PM
To: Martin, Daniel
Cc: freegis-list at intevation.de
Subject: RE: [Freegis-list] time based maps



No doubt it would look weird but thats just topology.  Maybe a more
comprehensible way would be to show human subjective distance as another
dimension such as say elevation - human slow paths would be suggested by a
steep hill to ascend and descend.

Actually it could be pretty useful even for casual users; a visitor to the
bay area might see that the 280 is *way* shorter than the 101 around rush
hour.

Or squiggly lines could represent slowness; a freeway would look straight
and the slow parallel street would be serpentine.

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Martin, Daniel wrote:

> It sounds nice, but I don't understand how a connected network of streets
> can be expressed in units of time.  Often you have a highway with an
average
> traveling speed of 65 mph and right beside it you have a parallel side
> street with an average traveling speed of 20 mph.  The two streets then
have
> perpendicular cross streets connecting them.
>
> Perhaps you see it differently than I do.
>
> -Dan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anselm Hook [mailto:anselm at hook.org]
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:09 PM
> To: Matt.Wilkie
> Cc: freegis-list at intevation.de
> Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] time based maps
>
>
>
> A friend one mentioned a similar idea - It was appealing - that the actual
> landscape or mental map we have isn't exactly literal.  Some paths are
> longer because of red lights or certain neighhbours we want to avoid.
>
> As you said - you could take an ordinary map and apply a rendering
> deformation based on the 'real' length of the navigation routes in it.
> Sounds great!
>
>  - a
>
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Matt.Wilkie wrote:
>
> > The open source community is often accused of merely "chasing tail
lights"
> > instead of actively engaging in developing truly innovative features.
Well
> I
> > believe I've identified an area which addresses a real need but for
which
> > there are no tools available (that I'm aware of) - proprietary or not.
> >
> > Time based maps: the base units of measurement are *time* instead of
> space.
> > The length of a highway line on a map represents how long it takes to
> drive
> > from Berlin to Paris, not how many kilometers apart they are.
> >
> > Most of the time when people ask how far away the next town is, they
don't
> > really want to know how far it is, but rather how long it will take them
> to
> > get there.
> >
> > I envision a set of georeferenced vectors with database attributes that
> > indicated the quality of the road and the posted speed limit. When the
> > cartographer creates the map she decides on a scale of 1cm:10min and
> selects
> > the vector(s) which the map will be centered on. The software tool then
> > expands/contracts the length of the vector(s) to match and surrounding
> > topography is rubber-sheeted or morphed accordingly.
> >
> > Naturally not everybody travels the same way. Some have ferraris, others
> > freightliners, still others prefer bicycles and some just like to walk.
> This
> > just begs for an internet mapping application where the user can chose
> their
> > method of conveyance.
> >
> > Also consider the application in large cities where the traffic density
> > could be taken into account and near real time maps depicting how long
it
> > will *really* take to get to work this morning are shown.
> >
> > BTW, I can't take any credit for this idea, it's not mine. I've been
> > thinking about for some years, ever since I saw some Inuit drawn maps
from
> > the 18th/19th century showing the northern coastlines of Canada. In my
> > youthful arrogance I commented on how primitive the maps were, lacking
all
> > concept of projection or relative size. My teacher then demonstrated how
> the
> > maps were actually incredibly accurate -- if one were paddling in a
kayak
> > and keeping track of how long it took to get to the next base camp.
Score
> > another one for "primitive" societies.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> >
> > -- Matt Wilkie
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Geographic Information,
> > Information Management and Technology,
> > Yukon Department of Environment
> > --------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Freegis-list mailing list
> > Freegis-list at intevation.de
> > https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Freegis-list mailing list
> Freegis-list at intevation.de
> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> Freegis-list mailing list
> Freegis-list at intevation.de
> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
>



From vanessa at fiberfutures.org  Tue Sep 24 01:00:22 2002
From: vanessa at fiberfutures.org (Vanessa E-H Stewart)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:00:22 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] Conference Speech
In-Reply-To: <3D8C6226.5070302@atlas.gis.univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <DPEOJFJMOHOJFAAKHNBKOEICCAAA.vanessa@fiberfutures.org>

Hello Alexander,

Thanks for the pointer to your abstract. I'm based in California, so won't
be able to attend the presentation. However, I wanted to bounce some ideas
off of you (and the rest of this list I've been lurking on):

I work with a volunteer run non-profit colocation center in California (we
think it might be the only non-profit one in the US!). As a day job, I do a
little GIS among other things. I know the need for interactive mapping is
great, so, I want to work on setting up some dedicated GIS mapping servers
at the colo. We're in a perfect position to do so, some talented systems
administrators onboard, lightning fast connections, and we've found it
relatively easy to get server donations. Hosting a server costs us
$50/month- most people pay in the form of donations.

I'm looking to set up something that is fairly low maintenance- non-profit
groups and individuals can upload their data, customize how it's displayed
on their individual map/site, and have it all hosted at the colo. The
eventual goal is to have everyone's data together. There would be a central
site where you can search through all the data, or select a location and
pull up what is available for that area, etc...I know there are some nodes
like this starting up- some are relatively developed, but we'd like to do
this at-cost, and ideally with free-software.

Do you have any suggestions/references/ or know others who are trying this
or something similar?

About the colo: http://www.communitycolo.org/

Also, if anyone is interested in this project, please let me know- it's
amazing what a few talented volunteers can accomplish!

Vanessa

-----Original Message-----
From: freegis-list-admin at intevation.de
[mailto:freegis-list-admin at intevation.de]On Behalf Of Alexander Pucher
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 5:12 AM
To: freegis-list at intevation.de
Subject: [Freegis-list] Conference Speech


Hi,

I just wanted to inform the freegis-list members that I will hold a
speech about 'Applied Geoinformation and Online-Mapping with Open-Source
Software' on Oct. 3rd at this years LinuxDas in Luxembourg.
(http://www.linuxday.lu)

You can find the presentation abstract here:
http://www.linuxday.lu/lxd_home_abstracts/lxd_abstracts.html#LxD_REF_ABSTRAC
T_Pucher

Regards,
alex



--

________________________________________________________

Institut fuer Geographie und Regionalforschung
Universitaet Wien
Kartografie und Geoinformation

Departement of Geography and Regional Research
University of Vienna
Cartography and GIS

Universitaetstr. 7, A-1010 Wien, AUSTRIA

Tel: (+43 1) 4277 48644
Fax: (+43 1) 4277 48649
E-mail: alexander.pucher at univie.ac.at

FTP: ftp://ftp.gis.univie.ac.at
WWW: http://www.gis.univie.ac.at/karto
--------------------------------------------------------
Atlas of Eastern and Southeastern Europe: http://www.aos.ac.at
--------------------------------------------------------




From DMartin at erac.com  Tue Sep 24 01:00:57 2002
From: DMartin at erac.com (Martin, Daniel)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:00:57 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] Conference Speech
Message-ID: <4ACBA1414DD9EE418CC250E4AAA9035A16F32A@STL-EXBE-I03.corp.erac.com>

For a server, my suggestion would be MapServer, http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu
.  If the colo server has PHP support, then MapServer with the recently
released MapLab http://www.dmsolutions.on.ca/maplab.html might be what you
have in mind - although I must admit haven't tried MapLab out myself.  I do
use MapServer often and extensively though.

Both MapServer and MapLab (which depends on MapServer) are free open source
products.

Hope that helps,
Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: Vanessa E-H Stewart [mailto:vanessa at fiberfutures.org]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 6:00 PM
To: Alexander Pucher; freegis-list at intevation.de
Subject: RE: [Freegis-list] Conference Speech


Hello Alexander,

Thanks for the pointer to your abstract. I'm based in California, so won't
be able to attend the presentation. However, I wanted to bounce some ideas
off of you (and the rest of this list I've been lurking on):

I work with a volunteer run non-profit colocation center in California (we
think it might be the only non-profit one in the US!). As a day job, I do a
little GIS among other things. I know the need for interactive mapping is
great, so, I want to work on setting up some dedicated GIS mapping servers
at the colo. We're in a perfect position to do so, some talented systems
administrators onboard, lightning fast connections, and we've found it
relatively easy to get server donations. Hosting a server costs us
$50/month- most people pay in the form of donations.

I'm looking to set up something that is fairly low maintenance- non-profit
groups and individuals can upload their data, customize how it's displayed
on their individual map/site, and have it all hosted at the colo. The
eventual goal is to have everyone's data together. There would be a central
site where you can search through all the data, or select a location and
pull up what is available for that area, etc...I know there are some nodes
like this starting up- some are relatively developed, but we'd like to do
this at-cost, and ideally with free-software.

Do you have any suggestions/references/ or know others who are trying this
or something similar?

About the colo: http://www.communitycolo.org/

Also, if anyone is interested in this project, please let me know- it's
amazing what a few talented volunteers can accomplish!

Vanessa

-----Original Message-----
From: freegis-list-admin at intevation.de
[mailto:freegis-list-admin at intevation.de]On Behalf Of Alexander Pucher
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 5:12 AM
To: freegis-list at intevation.de
Subject: [Freegis-list] Conference Speech


Hi,

I just wanted to inform the freegis-list members that I will hold a
speech about 'Applied Geoinformation and Online-Mapping with Open-Source
Software' on Oct. 3rd at this years LinuxDas in Luxembourg.
(http://www.linuxday.lu)

You can find the presentation abstract here:
http://www.linuxday.lu/lxd_home_abstracts/lxd_abstracts.html#LxD_REF_ABSTRAC
T_Pucher

Regards,
alex



--

________________________________________________________

Institut fuer Geographie und Regionalforschung
Universitaet Wien
Kartografie und Geoinformation

Departement of Geography and Regional Research
University of Vienna
Cartography and GIS

Universitaetstr. 7, A-1010 Wien, AUSTRIA

Tel: (+43 1) 4277 48644
Fax: (+43 1) 4277 48649
E-mail: alexander.pucher at univie.ac.at

FTP: ftp://ftp.gis.univie.ac.at
WWW: http://www.gis.univie.ac.at/karto
--------------------------------------------------------
Atlas of Eastern and Southeastern Europe: http://www.aos.ac.at
--------------------------------------------------------


_______________________________________________
Freegis-list mailing list
Freegis-list at intevation.de
https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list



From pucher at atlas.gis.univie.ac.at  Tue Sep 24 09:27:13 2002
From: pucher at atlas.gis.univie.ac.at (Alexander Pucher)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:27:13 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] MapLab (was:Conference Speech)
References: <4ACBA1414DD9EE418CC250E4AAA9035A16F32A@STL-EXBE-I03.corp.erac.com>
Message-ID: <3D9013D1.50607@atlas.gis.univie.ac.at>

Martin, Daniel wrote:

>For a server, my suggestion would be MapServer, http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu
>
Mine too.

>.  If the colo server has PHP support, then MapServer with the recently
>released MapLab http://www.dmsolutions.on.ca/maplab.html might be what you
>have in mind - although I must admit haven't tried MapLab out myself.  I do
>use MapServer often and extensively though.
>
MapLab works great for quickly developing your MapServer applications. 
As always with wizard-like setups, more or less handwork is needed 
afterwards. If you work with large mapfiles, MapLab gives you a better 
overview of your map structure than a simple textfile would do, esp. if 
you're new to MapServer. I found out that setting up DB connections 
(PostgreSQL or Oracle) to access your geodata is really simple with this 
GUI. Also quick and dirty integration of WMS servers works fine (at 
least if you compiled MapServer with WMS support) with MapLab.

Have a look at the MapServer gallery, to see if this is what you are 
looking for: http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/gallery.html

>Both MapServer and MapLab (which depends on MapServer) are free open source
>products.
>
There is also a MapServer mailinglist, that might be the right place for 
MapServer-specific questions: mapserver-users at lists.gis.umn.edu

Regards,
alex

-- 
________________________________________________________

Institut fuer Geographie und Regionalforschung
Universitaet Wien
Kartografie und Geoinformation

Departement of Geography and Regional Research
University of Vienna
Cartography and GIS

Universitaetstr. 7, A-1010 Wien, AUSTRIA

Tel: (+43 1) 4277 48644
Fax: (+43 1) 4277 48649
E-mail: alexander.pucher at univie.ac.at

FTP: ftp://ftp.gis.univie.ac.at
WWW: http://www.gis.univie.ac.at/karto
--------------------------------------------------------
Atlas of Eastern and Southeastern Europe: http://www.aos.ac.at
--------------------------------------------------------

M$ is not the answer. M$ is the question!
No is the answer -- Eric Naggum





From jan at intevation.de  Tue Sep 24 12:03:41 2002
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:03:41 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Redistribution Rights
In-Reply-To: <jUsT.aNoTheR.mEsSaGe.iD.103257662219093@www.reach.net>
References: <jUsT.aNoTheR.mEsSaGe.iD.103257662219093@www.reach.net>
Message-ID: <20020924100341.GC616@intevation.de>

On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 10:54:32PM -0400, steve whitehead wrote:
> Can anyone clearly explain what this means?  Does this mean ESRI 
> owns any Tiger 2000 files in shapefile format?
> 
> Redistribution Rights: Other than ESRI's intellectual property rights 
> in the shapefile format, ESRI claims no ownership or proprietary 
> rights in the TIGER/Line? 2000 data itself.
> -download disclaimer

no, that certainly impossible. The Shapefile format is published
in a whitepaper by ESRI and can be used by anyone for any purpose.

To be honest, I am not sure about the intention of the above
statement by ESRI talking about IPR on the Shapefile format itself.
It looks quite senseless in this context.

Best

	Jan

-- 
Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/

Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/



From bernhard at intevation.de  Tue Sep 24 17:02:16 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:02:16 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Redistribution Rights
In-Reply-To: <20020924100341.GC616@intevation.de>
References: <jUsT.aNoTheR.mEsSaGe.iD.103257662219093@www.reach.net> <20020924100341.GC616@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <20020924150216.GF26037@intevation.de>

On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 12:03:41PM +0200, Jan-Oliver Wagner wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 10:54:32PM -0400, steve whitehead wrote:
> > Can anyone clearly explain what this means?  Does this mean ESRI 
> > owns any Tiger 2000 files in shapefile format?
> > 
> > Redistribution Rights: Other than ESRI's intellectual property rights 
> > in the shapefile format, ESRI claims no ownership or proprietary 
> > rights in the TIGER/Line? 2000 data itself.
> > -download disclaimer
> 
> no, that certainly impossible. The Shapefile format is published
> in a whitepaper by ESRI and can be used by anyone for any purpose.
> 
> To be honest, I am not sure about the intention of the above
> statement by ESRI talking about IPR on the Shapefile format itself.
> It looks quite senseless in this context.

There is a small chance that ESRI has patents or trademarks 
around the shapefile format. The former is very hard to investigate.
Both would be interesting to know, though.

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From bernhard at intevation.de  Tue Sep 24 17:06:01 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:06:01 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Conference Speech
In-Reply-To: <4ACBA1414DD9EE418CC250E4AAA9035A16F32A@STL-EXBE-I03.corp.erac.com>
References: <4ACBA1414DD9EE418CC250E4AAA9035A16F32A@STL-EXBE-I03.corp.erac.com>
Message-ID: <20020924150601.GG26037@intevation.de>

On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 06:00:57PM -0500, Martin, Daniel wrote:
> For a server, my suggestion would be MapServer, http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu
> .  If the colo server has PHP support, then MapServer with the recently
> released MapLab http://www.dmsolutions.on.ca/maplab.html might be what you
> have in mind - although I must admit haven't tried MapLab out myself.  I do
> use MapServer often and extensively though.
> 
> Both MapServer and MapLab (which depends on MapServer) are free open source
> products.

Let me add that they are indeed Free Software.
You will need some effort (work or costs in commercial terms) 
in setting them up, thus "free open source" is a bit missleading.

You can buy commercial support for MapServer at several places.
Thus it could rightfully be called commercial Free Software...

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From alet at librelogiciel.com  Mon Sep 23 23:12:23 2002
From: alet at librelogiciel.com (Jerome Alet)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:12:23 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] time based  maps
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0209231401560.873-100000@webserver>
References: <4ACBA1414DD9EE418CC250E4AAA9035A192B2B@STL-EXBE-I03.corp.erac.com> <Pine.BSO.4.33.0209231401560.873-100000@webserver>
Message-ID: <20020923211223.GA20453@mail.librelogiciel.com>

On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 02:06:25PM -0700, Anselm Hook wrote:
> 
> No doubt it would look weird but thats just topology.  Maybe a more
> comprehensible way would be to show human subjective distance as another
> dimension such as say elevation - human slow paths would be suggested by a
> steep hill to ascend and descend.

Wouldn't it be easier to represent faster roads with a bigger width 
than slower ones on the map ?

This way there's no distortion, the only difference is that highways
may be represented as very thin if they are slow (and the other way
around)

PS : Maybe this is completely stupid.

Jerome Alet



From sxpert at esitcom.org  Wed Sep 25 00:51:28 2002
From: sxpert at esitcom.org (Amaury Jacquot)
Date: 25 Sep 2002 00:51:28 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Conference Speech
In-Reply-To: <20020924150601.GG26037@intevation.de>
References: 
	 <4ACBA1414DD9EE418CC250E4AAA9035A16F32A@STL-EXBE-I03.corp.erac.com>
	 <20020924150601.GG26037@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <1032907888.31883.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 17:06, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 06:00:57PM -0500, Martin, Daniel wrote:
> > For a server, my suggestion would be MapServer, http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu
> > .  If the colo server has PHP support, then MapServer with the recently
> > released MapLab http://www.dmsolutions.on.ca/maplab.html might be what you
> > have in mind - although I must admit haven't tried MapLab out myself.  I do
> > use MapServer often and extensively though.
> > 
> > Both MapServer and MapLab (which depends on MapServer) are free open source
> > products.
> 
> Let me add that they are indeed Free Software.
> You will need some effort (work or costs in commercial terms) 
> in setting them up, thus "free open source" is a bit missleading.

The Free in this context is not free as in beer, but as in freedom.
You can copy the software, muck with it as you want, and your neighbour
can do the same, you can't prevent him to do so, as that would remove
his freedom of mucking with it.

The fact that you have to pay for commercial support is that you don't
pay for the software itself, but for the support. If you have
time/skills to do it yourself, then you don't have to pay anything.

Sincerely

For more info, check http://www.gnu.org

> You can buy commercial support for MapServer at several places.
> Thus it could rightfully be called commercial Free Software...
-- 
Amaury Jacquot <sxpert at esitcom.org>



From greg at harmakhis.org  Wed Sep 25 08:07:58 2002
From: greg at harmakhis.org (G. Orme)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:07:58 +1000
Subject: [Freegis-list] multi spectral images
Message-ID: <006d01c26459$e6acb3a0$5d3731d2@office2000>



I have a multi spectral image of Mars that I need to work on. Are there any good programs for this. ENVI is one but you can't save the results in the evaluation edition.    
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From greg at harmakhis.org  Wed Sep 25 10:37:35 2002
From: greg at harmakhis.org (G. Orme)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:37:35 +1000
Subject: [Freegis-list] help with finding a fake
Message-ID: <009101c2646e$cdb2ea30$5d3731d2@office2000>

I wonder if anyone may be interested in trying to settle a dispute. It's aoubt 2 photos with IR bands which are of the same scene but give different details. One is supposed to be faked but we don't know which one. Also one may contain processing artifacts from too much contrast which may have caused the problem.

Greg
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From neteler at itc.it  Wed Sep 25 11:09:40 2002
From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:09:40 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] multi spectral images
In-Reply-To: <006d01c26459$e6acb3a0$5d3731d2@office2000>; from greg@harmakhis.org on Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 04:07:58PM +1000
References: <006d01c26459$e6acb3a0$5d3731d2@office2000>
Message-ID: <20020925110940.D21148@itc.it>

On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 04:07:58PM +1000, G. Orme wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a multi spectral image of Mars that I need to work on. Are there
> any good programs for this. ENVI is one but you can't save the results in
> the evaluation edition.

GRASS GIS may be an option for you. It supports multi spectral image
analysis such as image classification (radiometric and combined
radiometric/geometric, unsupervised and supervised), image composites,
principal component analysis, fourier transformations, ortho rectification
for aerial images etc etc.

For commands see here:
http://grass.itc.it/gdp/html_grass5/imagery.html

Cheers

 Markus



From ian.watkins at oxbridgetechnology.co.uk  Tue Sep 24 18:57:06 2002
From: ian.watkins at oxbridgetechnology.co.uk (Ian Watkins)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:57:06 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] UK postcode mapping
Message-ID: <6A2C1C1C598E2149BCD4A05B0B394EEC01515B@albert.oxbridgetechnology.co.uk>

Hi!

A complete newbie question here, so please forgive the gaffs in advance :-)

I'm doing some work for a charity here in the UK who want to plot their donors / meeting locations to see where there are any holes in coverage.

The obvious way to do this in the UK is by postcode.

Can you point me in the direction of suitable systems that would do what they want? Their budget is not large, so MapView or the like is probably out of reach ;-)

Someone has suggested that something as simple as MS Autoroute will provide what they want, but I'd like peoples opinion on that. Clearly they don't need anything enormously sophisticated, but something that will give them what they need at the lowest cost possible.

I guess one of the issues will be the cost of the map data correlating postcode with position on the ground.....

My apologies if this is totally off-beam for this mailing list. If it is, some pointers to the right places to find some answers would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Ian Watkins



From stef at zoomata.com  Tue Sep 24 20:46:25 2002
From: stef at zoomata.com (Stefano Maffulli)
Date: 24 Sep 2002 20:46:25 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] time based  maps
In-Reply-To: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D075312E82464@raptor.gov.yk.ca>
References: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D075312E82464@raptor.gov.yk.ca>
Message-ID: <1032893185.2008.157.camel@plusultra>

On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 18:46, Matt.Wilkie wrote:
> The open source community is often accused of merely "chasing tail lights"
> instead of actively engaging in developing truly innovative features. Well I
> believe I've identified an area which addresses a real need but for which
> there are no tools available (that I'm aware of) - proprietary or not.
> 
> Time based maps: the base units of measurement are *time* instead of space.
> The length of a highway line on a map represents how long it takes to drive
> from Berlin to Paris, not how many kilometers apart they are.

Traffic or road representation is not the only useful way of using time
based maps.  Distance expressed in time units depends from speed, that
indeed depends of many more factors mostly not predictable (like traffic
jams, deviations etc).

Much more useful are time maps for representing events, like bird
migrations, forest fires, earthquakes, or any event for which you know
(or you can calculate precisely) when and where they (will) happen.

I know that this software (http://www.commongis.com) can display easily
time based maps, animate them, make analysis and much more. BUT it is
not free (as in freedom) software.  I tried to convince the developers
that it would indeed be a good idea to free it, but I was not good
enough and the software is still non-free.

Here are some examples of the wonderful things that this software can
do:
http://ais.gmd.de/and/

I hope the developers understand that their software is too special to
let it stay secret in those unfriendly web pages and make it free.

regards
stef
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From mymail at harmakhis.org  Wed Sep 25 07:58:34 2002
From: mymail at harmakhis.org (G. Orme)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:58:34 +1000
Subject: [Freegis-list] multi spectral images
Message-ID: <005201c26458$96889bb0$5d3731d2@office2000>

I have a multi spectral image of Mars that I need to work on. Are there any good programs for this. ENVI is one but you can't save the results in the evaluation edition.    
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From ian at geography.leeds.ac.uk  Wed Sep 25 17:47:22 2002
From: ian at geography.leeds.ac.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:47:22 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] time based  maps
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References: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D075312E82464@raptor.gov.yk.ca>
 <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D075312E82464@raptor.gov.yk.ca>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020925164204.05da6a20@geog.leeds.ac.uk>

At 20:59 23/09/02, Christian Kaiser wrote:
>Time based maps are an old concept, that's right. Sometimes, you can find 
>them still today. But there are a couple of problems with those maps.
>Imagine two towns A and B. They are at a distance of 10 km. But there is a 
>mountain between them. So you have to drive 20 km from A to B. And you 
>will be slower because it is a pass road. So you will have 30 minutes for 
>the 10 km. When you like to make a time map, you have to "flaten" the 
>moutain. These means you have to make a sort of projection, or a 
>distorsion. This is possible in some cases, but not in other cases. 
>Normally, you will have a map which is not very exact. So far for the 
>problem of mapping time.
>There is an algorithm who creates a sort of map from a matrix of distances 
>which is called "multidimensional scaling". The algorithm is quite similar 
>to the one for a Factor Analysis. Some statistic programs (like SPSS) can 
>do the multidimensional scaling and produce simple time maps.

One of the problems with any travel time based map is that you have to 
define where the "start" of the map is. This again leads to interactive 
solutions being necessary. There are lots of interesting ideas to be 
investigated here, when I'm next in the office I'll see if I can find some 
references.

>What actually would be more interesting is to produce isolines of travel 
>time that you plot upon a normal (projected) map. Perhaps somebody knows 
>how to do it...

That's fairly commonly done - usually you define a travel time per km for 
different types of roads and then calculate the time taken for all possible 
routes between any location and the "start" point (or group of points e.g. 
hospitals) and the color a grid based on the shortest time to the "start" 
point. This gives a raster that can be displayed with different colors to 
show different times to a point or points.

>Christian Kaiser

Ian




From email_atiul at lycos.com  Sat Sep 28 20:31:13 2002
From: email_atiul at lycos.com (atiul ahmed)
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:31:13 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] request for info
Message-ID: <FHNBLDDBANHNKAAA@mailcity.com>

Hi List,


I would like to get Information on the Histroy of the Development of GIS as a tool in Urban Planning. I would be more interested to know how GIS has been effectively used in different Urban Planning Organizations since its importance as a planning tool has been understood. Litterature on case studies would be appreciated.

I would appreciate an early response.

Thank you.

With Regds

Atiul Ahmed


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From AlxPonom at Mail.ru  Sun Sep 29 20:08:01 2002
From: AlxPonom at Mail.ru (AlxPonom)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:08:01 +0400
Subject: [Freegis-list] for help
Message-ID: <000801c267e3$26d781d0$0e00a8c0@PAV>

Hi

  It is developers of GISar project (gisar.sourceforge.net/ENG/Index.htm). We need a help for our new project (Virtual town - gisar.sourceforge.net/VT/Index.htm (but still in russian only)). Our needs - hosting and translating. Project is free internet service and we are ready to contact any interested visitors of your site. What can be do for it ?
Thanks.

Best wishes 
admin - Alex Ponomarev
AlxPonom at Mail.ru
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