From reddy at AI.SRI.COM  Fri Nov  1 08:46:47 2002
From: reddy at AI.SRI.COM (Martin Reddy)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:46:47 -0800
Subject: [Freegis-list] SRI International Open Sources their TerraVision system
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.44.0210312345430.230785-100000@Yuba.AI.SRI.COM>

Hi all,

I thought that you may be interested to know that SRI International has just
released the full source code to their TerraVision system under the Mozilla
Public License. TerraVision is SRI's real-time multi-threaded 3D terrain
visualization system (www.tvgeo.com). It can browse massive terrain and other
data sets that are streamed over the Web. It also supports overlaying rich 3D
models (VRML and GeoVRML) on the terrain to represent buildings, icons, etc.
It is the result of 10 years of constant development and evolution.

The TerraVision source code is hosted on the SourceForge website at:

  https://sourceforge.net/projects/terravision

SRI had previously released a large part of the TerraVision system, the
tsmApi library (www.tsmApi.com), as open source. We hope that this current
step will benefit the visualization and GIS communities and provide
TerraVision users, old and new, with greater control over the evolution of
the full system.

Cheers,

Martin.


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Martin Reddy                                        Pixar Animation Studios
                                                    1200 Park Avenue
reddy at pixar.com                                     Emeryville, CA 94608
http://MartinReddy.net/                             Tel. (510) 752 4093




From paul at toolscenter.org  Fri Nov  1 10:57:22 2002
From: paul at toolscenter.org (Paul Selormey)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:57:22 +0900
Subject: [Freegis-list] SRI International Open Sources their TerraVision system
References: <Pine.SGI.4.44.0210312345430.230785-100000@Yuba.AI.SRI.COM>
Message-ID: <004801c2818d$14e3a3f0$700201c0@MAPQUEST.local>

Thank you.

Best regards,
Paul.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reddy" <reddy at AI.SRI.COM>
To: "FreeGIS List" <freegis-list at intevation.de>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:46 PM
Subject: [Freegis-list] SRI International Open Sources their TerraVision
system


>
> Hi all,
>
> I thought that you may be interested to know that SRI International has
just
> released the full source code to their TerraVision system under the
Mozilla
> Public License. TerraVision is SRI's real-time multi-threaded 3D terrain
> visualization system (www.tvgeo.com). It can browse massive terrain and
other
> data sets that are streamed over the Web. It also supports overlaying rich
3D
> models (VRML and GeoVRML) on the terrain to represent buildings, icons,
etc.
> It is the result of 10 years of constant development and evolution.
>
> The TerraVision source code is hosted on the SourceForge website at:
>
>   https://sourceforge.net/projects/terravision
>
> SRI had previously released a large part of the TerraVision system, the
> tsmApi library (www.tsmApi.com), as open source. We hope that this current
> step will benefit the visualization and GIS communities and provide
> TerraVision users, old and new, with greater control over the evolution of
> the full system.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Martin.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> Martin Reddy                                        Pixar Animation
Studios
>                                                     1200 Park Avenue
> reddy at pixar.com                                     Emeryville, CA 94608
> http://MartinReddy.net/                             Tel. (510) 752 4093
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Freegis-list mailing list
> Freegis-list at intevation.de
> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
>




From cjkeuck at mapmedia.de  Fri Nov  1 12:12:30 2002
From: cjkeuck at mapmedia.de (Keuck, Carl Jan)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 12:12:30 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] UMN MapServer course
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021101121228.00afaab0@pop.web.de>

Hello everybody on this list,

MapMedia (Berlin, Germany) - publisher of the first german UMN MapServer 
manual - now offers 4 day courses on the UMN MapServer. Subjects of the 
course include topics reaching from installation of the UMN MapServer up to 
creating complex UMN MapServer based applications. Next course will be held 
from 18th to 21st of November in Berlin.

For more information and booking contact: MapMedia, Am Borsigturm 42, 13507 
Berlin, Tel: +49.30.4303 2100, info at mapmedia.de, http://www.mapmedia.de

With regards,

C. J. Keuck
_________________________________________________
MapMedia
Kartographie und raumbezogene Informationssysteme

Am Borsigturm 42
D-13507 Berlin

fon:  +49.(0)30.43 03 21 02
fax:  +49.(0)30.43 03 21 01
mail: cjkeuck at mapmedia.de
net:  www.mapmedia.de
_________________________________________________




From jidanni at dman.ddts.net  Sat Nov  2 08:52:28 2002
From: jidanni at dman.ddts.net (Dan Jacobson)
Date: 02 Nov 2002 15:52:28 +0800
Subject: [Freegis-list] geocentric coordinates
In-Reply-To: <3DC09503.3050007@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <8765vgh0hv.fsf_-_@jidanni.org>

>>>>> "F" == Frank Warmerdam <warmerdam at pobox.com> mailed me:

F> I am not aware of any current mechanism to get geocentric
F> coordinates in or out of PROJ.4 though it does use them internally
F> for the 3 parameter datum transform.

Hmm, any other free software programs that can?
-- 
http://jidanni.org/ Taiwan(04)25854780



From projetogis2002 at yahoo.com.br  Sat Nov  9 15:37:03 2002
From: projetogis2002 at yahoo.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?q?Vinicius=20Carvalho?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:37:03 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [Freegis-list] newbie questions
Message-ID: <20021109143703.53054.qmail@web14510.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi there! I've just started a project for a non-governemental-organization and I'm pretty lost with all...

We decided to use alov since it's a free map server. I had some experience with Mapguide in the past, but I worked only as a developer customizing the Applet interface. Now I have a BIG problem in my hands.

We have a set of DWG maps containing some terrain information, about some Rainforest trees. There's a total of 6000 trees that are represented in the Drawing and in a MSAccess DB, we have the coordinates for each tree.

What I need is to discover how to transform those maps into a *.shp files and also how to cross the data in the DB and the map, by saying so, I mean how do I "tell" the server that a specific point in the drawing corresponds to a record in the database.

Can I add a new record to the database and automatically change the drawing? I mean the points are plotted on the fly?

I know there's a lot of questions here, but if anyone could at least point me to some tutorials, FAQs, or sites with help, would be just perfect.

Thanks to all



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From peymannf at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 11 13:54:30 2002
From: peymannf at yahoo.com (Peyman Azad)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:54:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Freegis-list] Voronoi AND Polygon Analysis ?
Message-ID: <20021111125430.54779.qmail@web9804.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Dear
I am Peyman Azad. I am a computer student. I am
writing a polygon analyzer. I want to know is there
any open source code? And what is the relation between
Voronoi algorithms and polygon generation? Please
reply me if posssible. Thanks for your kind
consideration.

Best Regards,
Peyman Azad


__________________________________________________
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U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos
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From cdca.gis at cma.junta-andalucia.es  Tue Nov 12 08:42:14 2002
From: cdca.gis at cma.junta-andalucia.es (CDCA: David Trillo Montero)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:42:14 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Web mapping problem
Message-ID: <006601c28a1f$04fb6a00$9f27e50a@winsc.cma.juntaandalucia.es>

 hi all
 I was told to find a solution about contructing a Web Mapping application.
I
 don't know much about web mapping, and i need some tips.

 First of all, the Web Server we are using is the Microsoft Internet
 Information Server. I do program in Visual Basic too.

 I have seen all sources available within FreeGis but i'm still confused.
 What Map Server can i use compatible with IIS?

 Can some one tell me a good start point for web mapping (a tutorial, a
 course, etc)?



 David Trillo Montero
 Centro de Datos de Calidad Ambiental
 cdca.gis at cma.junta-andalucia.es
 Telefono: 955 00 36 34





From ajolma at water.hut.fi  Tue Nov 12 10:07:20 2002
From: ajolma at water.hut.fi (Ari Jolma)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:07:20 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Freegis-list] Voronoi AND Polygon Analysis ?
In-Reply-To: <20021111125430.54779.qmail@web9804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211121005580.5184-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Peyman Azad wrote:

> Hi Dear
> I am Peyman Azad. I am a computer student. I am
> writing a polygon analyzer. I want to know is there
> any open source code? And what is the relation between
> Voronoi algorithms and polygon generation? Please
> reply me if posssible. Thanks for your kind
> consideration.

There is free code for voronoi diagrams in netlib:

http://www.netlib.org/voronoi/

Ari Jolma




From bernhard at intevation.de  Tue Nov 12 10:39:06 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:39:06 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Web mapping problem
In-Reply-To: <006601c28a1f$04fb6a00$9f27e50a@winsc.cma.juntaandalucia.es>
References: <006601c28a1f$04fb6a00$9f27e50a@winsc.cma.juntaandalucia.es>
Message-ID: <20021112093906.GH16347@intevation.de>

On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 08:42:14AM +0100, CDCA: David Trillo Montero wrote:
>  First of all, the Web Server we are using is the Microsoft Internet
>  Information Server. I do program in Visual Basic too.
> 
>  I have seen all sources available within FreeGis but i'm still confused.
>  What Map Server can i use compatible with IIS?

Any that run over the CGI interface
and can be executed on windows.

E.G. MapIt! and Mapserver.

For the java ones this is more complicated,
but they also should all work within a microsoft setting.

>  Can some one tell me a good start point for web mapping (a tutorial, a
>  course, etc)?

Not really. Mapping is a compley subject and the best starting point
depends on your level.
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From rq at quiedeville.org  Tue Nov 12 14:21:38 2002
From: rq at quiedeville.org (Rodolphe Quiedeville)
Date: 12 Nov 2002 14:21:38 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Perl Module for converting data
Message-ID: <yi7wuni3ov1.fsf@espy.lolix.org>

Hi,

I'm looking for a Perl module to convert geographical position from
one unit to an other.

I want to use xrmap that understand position in th form 46.280,-6.3
and I have data in the form 46 32.3' N 3 45.1 W

Thanks

-- 
Rodolphe Quiedeville
Artisan Logiciel Libre - http://rodolphe.quiedeville.org/
     Travaillons Libre - http://fr.lolix.org/
    Libre En Fete 2003 - http://www.libre-en-fete.net



From alet at librelogiciel.com  Tue Nov 12 14:38:26 2002
From: alet at librelogiciel.com (Jerome Alet)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:38:26 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Perl Module for converting data
In-Reply-To: <yi7wuni3ov1.fsf@espy.lolix.org>
References: <yi7wuni3ov1.fsf@espy.lolix.org>
Message-ID: <20021112133826.GA12292@mail.librelogiciel.com>

Hi,

On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 02:21:38PM +0100, Rodolphe Quiedeville wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for a Perl module to convert geographical position from
> one unit to an other.
> 
> I want to use xrmap that understand position in th form 46.280,-6.3
> and I have data in the form 46 32.3' N 3 45.1 W

FYI the French IGN website contains many formulas to convert these things,
although they are not particularly easy to read. Also you must know
which reference uses your (46.280,-6.3)...

hth

Jerome Alet



From DMartin at erac.com  Tue Nov 12 17:05:50 2002
From: DMartin at erac.com (Martin, Daniel)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:05:50 -0600
Subject: [Freegis-list] Web mapping problem
Message-ID: <4ACBA1414DD9EE418CC250E4AAA9035A192B65@STL-EXBE-I03.corp.erac.com>

I run MapServer, mapserver.gis.umn.edu, on IIS.  There are other options of
course, but I can only tell you what I personally know.  MapServer runs on
IIS, and runs well.

That's not to say that setting up any Web Mapping solution won't be
confusing, including MapServer.  I got started from the same place you are
at about 6 months ago, and boy was I confused!  Work through the demo and
subscribe to the mailing list.  People on the MS list are very helpful when
asked - and so are the mailing list archives.  Usually if you can't figure
something out, it's been asked and can be found in the archives.

Good luck,

-Dan Martin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: CDCA: David Trillo Montero
> [mailto:cdca.gis at cma.junta-andalucia.es]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:42 AM
> To: freegis
> Subject: [Freegis-list] Web mapping problem
> 
> 
>  hi all
>  I was told to find a solution about contructing a Web 
> Mapping application.
> I
>  don't know much about web mapping, and i need some tips.
> 
>  First of all, the Web Server we are using is the Microsoft Internet
>  Information Server. I do program in Visual Basic too.
> 
>  I have seen all sources available within FreeGis but i'm 
> still confused.
>  What Map Server can i use compatible with IIS?
> 
>  Can some one tell me a good start point for web mapping (a 
> tutorial, a
>  course, etc)?
> 
> 
> 
>  David Trillo Montero
>  Centro de Datos de Calidad Ambiental
>  cdca.gis at cma.junta-andalucia.es
>  Telefono: 955 00 36 34
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Freegis-list mailing list
> Freegis-list at intevation.de
> https://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
> 



From raanders at acm.org  Tue Nov 12 23:49:57 2002
From: raanders at acm.org (Roderick A. Anderson)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:49:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Freegis-list] OT:? Wireless Planning software
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0211121442030.3080-100000@main.cyber-office.net>

I've rejoined the ranks of fully employed and one of my first projects is
to find some wireless network planning/design software.  Been to one site
for a Windows based package and got a severe case of the clicksies.  Too
much hype and not enough information, all gathered with FAR TOO MANY
clicks..  So I decided to go my first choice - open source / not probably
Windows based.

I realize all the parts exist but I'm looking/hoping for a finished(ish)  
product.  The FreeGIS site turned up 0 for 'wireless' so I'm hope someone
here knows of a solution or can suggest better terms to search for.


TIA,
Rod
-- 
  "Open Source Software - Sometimes you get more than you paid for..."




From dietrick at bbn.com  Wed Nov 13 01:06:18 2002
From: dietrick at bbn.com (Don Dietrick)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:06:18 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Freegis-list digest, Vol 1 #460 - 4 msgs
In-Reply-To: <20021112110002.32317.28896.Mailman@doto.intevation.de>
Message-ID: <BBCABCAE-F69B-11D6-99CF-000393033D5C@bbn.com>

Hi David,

OpenMap can be used as a map server back end for IIS.  Check out our 
demo at:

http://winmap.bbn.com/OpenMapWeb/webmap.aspx

OpenMap is an open source Java mapping toolkit and application, 
available for download at http://openmap.bbn.com.  The code used in the 
demo above is included in the package, and documentation is available 
at the website.

Hope this helps,

Don

On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 06:00  AM, 
freegis-list-request at intevation.de wrote:

>  hi all
>  I was told to find a solution about contructing a Web Mapping 
> application.
> I
>  don't know much about web mapping, and i need some tips.
>
>  First of all, the Web Server we are using is the Microsoft Internet
>  Information Server. I do program in Visual Basic too.
>
>  I have seen all sources available within FreeGis but i'm still 
> confused.
>  What Map Server can i use compatible with IIS?
>
>  Can some one tell me a good start point for web mapping (a tutorial, a
>  course, etc)?
>
>


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Don Dietrick, dietrick at bbn.com
BBN Technologies, Cambridge, MA
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=




From pucher at atlas.gis.univie.ac.at  Wed Nov 13 21:00:32 2002
From: pucher at atlas.gis.univie.ac.at (Alexander Pucher)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:00:32 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] New MapServer Application
Message-ID: <3DD2AF60.6030607@atlas.gis.univie.ac.at>

Dear Freegis-list members,

The Department of Geography and Regional Research of the University of
Vienna, Austria is proud to present their latest MapServer project,
which was launched yesterday evening under the title

"Reason for eviction - non-Ayrian"  (http://www.ns-verbrechen.at)

The contents of this website are primarily based on the research and
publication work carried out by Herbert Exenberger, Johann Koss and
Brigitte Ungar-Klein, namely the book "Reason for eviction - non-Ayrian.
The eviction of Jewish tenants from council flats in Vienna in 1938 and
1939. " published by Picus The texts taken from a touring exhibition of
the same name, shown in various parts of Vienna, aiming to increase
sensitivity for the subject of Aryanisation, were adapted for the
Internet. The data collected for this site refer to Jewish men and women
who lost their lives during the NS regime - be it that they were
deported and murdered in a concentration camp, or that they died in
Vienna or elsewhere. Survivors were not included in the data for reason
of data privacy. The data mainly rely on sources from the documentation
archive of the Austrian Resistance, i.e. "the name register of Austrian
holocaust victims".


The system is based on UMN MapServer and PostGIS, offering a complete 
german and english interface.

Have fun!!

Regards
alex




-- 
________________________________________________________

Institut fuer Geographie und Regionalforschung
Universitaet Wien
Kartografie und Geoinformation

Departement of Geography and Regional Research
University of Vienna
Cartography and GIS

Universitaetstr. 7, A-1010 Wien, AUSTRIA

Tel: (+43 1) 4277 48644
Fax: (+43 1) 4277 48649
E-mail: alexander.pucher at univie.ac.at

FTP: ftp://ftp.gis.univie.ac.at
WWW: http://www.gis.univie.ac.at/karto
--------------------------------------------------------
Atlas of Eastern and Southeastern Europe: http://www.aos.ac.at
--------------------------------------------------------

M$ is not the answer. M$ is the question!
No is the answer -- Eric Naggum






From bernhard at intevation.de  Wed Nov 13 21:22:28 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:22:28 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] New MapServer Application
In-Reply-To: <3DD2AF60.6030607@atlas.gis.univie.ac.at>
References: <3DD2AF60.6030607@atlas.gis.univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <20021113202228.GA3573@intevation.de>

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 09:00:32PM +0100, Alexander Pucher wrote:
> "Reason for eviction - non-Ayrian"  (http://www.ns-verbrechen.at)

It seems to be hard to really see the contents without javascript and flash.
(Or am I doing something wrong?)

As we appreciate announcements about exceptional interesting 
implemented solutions with Free Software related to GIS,
we hope that it can be accessed via a non-proprietory formats.
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From pucher at atlas.gis.univie.ac.at  Wed Nov 13 22:55:19 2002
From: pucher at atlas.gis.univie.ac.at (Alexander Pucher)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:55:19 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] New MapServer Application
References: <3DD2AF60.6030607@atlas.gis.univie.ac.at> <20021113202228.GA3573@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <3DD2CA47.8000609@atlas.gis.univie.ac.at>

Bernhard,


Bernhard Reiter wrote:

 >On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 09:00:32PM +0100, Alexander Pucher wrote:
 >
 >
 >>"Reason for eviction - non-Ayrian"  (http://www.ns-verbrechen.at)
 >>
 >>
 >
 >It seems to be hard to really see the contents without javascript and 
flash.
 >(Or am I doing something wrong?)
 >
 >As we appreciate announcements about exceptional interesting
 >implemented solutions with Free Software related to GIS,
 >we hope that it can be accessed via a non-proprietory formats.
 >
I'm afraid, it can not! We had some close guidelines by our project
partners. BTW, they could'nt care less about free software.

Sorry for that! I would not have posted it on the FreeGIS list if I had
thought about this earlier. Still, it's a cool app ;-)

Regards,
alex

-- 
________________________________________________________

Institut fuer Geographie und Regionalforschung
Universitaet Wien
Kartografie und Geoinformation

Departement of Geography and Regional Research
University of Vienna
Cartography and GIS

Universitaetstr. 7, A-1010 Wien, AUSTRIA

Tel: (+43 1) 4277 48644
Fax: (+43 1) 4277 48649
E-mail: alexander.pucher at univie.ac.at

FTP: ftp://ftp.gis.univie.ac.at
WWW: http://www.gis.univie.ac.at/karto
--------------------------------------------------------
Virtual Map Forum: http://www.gis.univie.ac.at/vmf
--------------------------------------------------------

M$ is not the answer. M$ is the question!
No is the answer -- Eric Naggum






From dietrick at bbn.com  Thu Nov 14 14:12:22 2002
From: dietrick at bbn.com (Don Dietrick)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:12:22 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] OpenMap 4.5.4 has been released!
In-Reply-To: <20021114110002.17313.13250.Mailman@doto.intevation.de>
Message-ID: <B60E27B0-F7D2-11D6-8DB9-000393033D5C@bbn.com>

We've released version 4.5.4 of OpenMap(tm) at

         http://openmap.bbn.com

OpenMap is open source software.  New for this release:

         * Modified the openmap lauch scripts so they pick up any changes
         that may have been made to the version in the top level openmap
         directory.  In 4.5.3, the jar had to be rebuilt to contain the
         modified properties file for the changes to take effect.

         * MapBean changes.  Modified how the background color is handled
         in a MapBean.  If the background is not explicitly set in a
         MapBean, the background color of the projection will be used.  
If
         a background is set in a MapBean, that change now only affects
         that particular MapBean.  The OverviewMapHandler can now be set 
to
         listen to property changes of its source MapBean in case it 
should
         mimic background settings.  The background can now be set to a
         Paint object as well (use setBckgrnd() methods).

         * There is now a BufferedLayer that can act as a group layer,
         buffering all of its layers into an image.  There are settings
         that can manage how often the buffer is recreated, and these
         settings depend on if the image is transparent and how often the
         group layers repaint themselves between projection changes.

         * There is a BufferedLayerMapBean, which uses a BufferedLayer to
         contain all layers marked as background layers.  This 
'background'
         setting has been added to Layer.  When the BufferedLayerMapBean
         receives a new stack of layers, it reads them and adds the
         background layers to its BufferedLayer.  This really helps to
         increase repaint times.  This layer has not been added as the
         default MapBean in penMap because there isn't a good way to 
manage
         the layers and notify the user why the layer order may not 
appear
         the same way as it does elsewhere in the GUI.  A new LayersPanel
         is needed.  However, the BufferedLayerMapBean can be loaded into
         the application by using the -Ddebug.blmb flag.  Using the
         -Ddebug.bllp puts checkboxes in the LayersPanel so you can mark
         layers as background layers.

         * The com.bbn.openmap.tools.beanbox package was updated, and a 
new
         example package (com.bbn.openmap.examples.beanbox) was added to
         show how to configure and use the beanbox for drag and drop
         additions to the map.

         * EsriPlugIn got many changes and fixes.  The palette will 
return
         after the first dismissal, the horizontal scroll will appear and
         the table won't be compressed.  If the shp file is the only one
         specified, they the shx and dbf files are assumed to be next to
         it.  The files can be named as files, URLs or resources 
(relative
         pathnames).  EsriPlugIns can be created dynamically.

         * The Shape dataAccess package was modified.  Exports are more
         reliable and you can specify if the DBF file should be written.
         Sublists are only created for multipart geometries.  OMGraphics
         created from Shape file records will be held directly in the top
         level OMGraphicsList instead of being held in a sublist.  Null
         fields in the dbf file don't cause number exceptions.

         * The GraphicLoader concept was much refined, with the creation 
of
         an AbstractGraphicLoader that has a pre-defined timer, etc.  A
         GraphicLoader is a component that creates OMGraphics on it's own
         schedule, and then notifies a receiver to paint the
         OMGraphicList. The GraphicLoaderConnector is a component that
         lives in the MapHandler and looks for GraphicLoaders in the
         MapHandler that do not have a component that is receiving its
         OMGraphics.  If it finds on, it creates a
         PlugInLayer/GraphicLoaderPlugIn automatically to display objects
         on the map.

         * OMGraphic modifications:

         OMGraphics now have a notion of a TextureMask variable that can 
be
         used to hold a TexturePaint object.  If the TexturePaint object 
as
         some transparency in its image, the OMGraphic's fillPaint will
         show through the fill pattern.

         The OMRasterObjects now correctly update their Java Shapes
         correctly.  This fixes the problem where icons were not 
responding
         to gestures.

         OMScalingRaster now has access to the clipping rectangle, a Java
         2D rectangle that specified what part of the image is on the 
map.

         OMArrowHeads for OMLines have their wingtip and winglength
         attributes exposed so they can be adjusted.  Their rendering was
         improved with relation to matting, filling.

         OMGraphics were modified so that fill color matters with regard 
to
         distance.  Clear shapes will be treated as lines, without
         area. OMLines are never treated as being with area (affects 
great
         circle lines) no matter what the fillPaint settings are.

         * MouseModes can now provide an Icon.  The MouseModeButtonPanel
         can be used with those icons.  If a MouseMode doesn't provide an
         icon, an name will be used instead.

         * Modified the SVGFormatter so it gets all the individual layer
         graphics properly from a BufferedMapBean.

         * Eliot Lebsack from Mitre provided a couple of new classes -
         com.bbn.openmap.layer.shape.ShapeFileCrop, can create a new 
Shape
         file with shapes from a certain area of another Shape file, and
         com.bbn.openmap.gui.SaveAsVirtualImageMenuItem, which lets you
         set the size of an image to create from the current map.

         * The SaveAsMenuItems now add an image-appropriate suffix to 
file
         names when an image is saved.  They also check and confirm that 
a
         duplicate image will be overwritten.

         * The MapRequestHandler can now be set to use Layer visibility
         settings to determine what layers should be used for an image.

         * Misc layer improvements: Many Layers had properties renamed to
         not have a '.' in the front of them, and their setProperties
         methods have been modified to work with or without a property
         prefix. GraticuleLayer has font size property. DTED file
         components do better checking for null fields. ETOPOLayer 
updated
         to read ETOPO2 data. LocationLayer has LayerHandlers access
         exposed. The RpfProductInfo now has catalog static methods to
         print out information on all of the various data types.

         * Fixed bug where gestures were not accessing information on
         AreaShapeLayer graphics where the attributes were loaded via a 
dbf
         file.

         * Fixed the OMDrawingToolLauncher so it receives its list of
         EditToolLoaders from the OMDrawingTool, instead of finding them 
on
         its own.


See http://openmap.bbn.com/com/bbn/openmap/ChangeLog for a list of 
changes.

OpenMap is a JavaBeans-based toolkit for building applications and 
applets
needing geographic information.  Using OpenMap components, you can 
access
data from legacy applications, in-place, in a distributed setting.  At 
its
core, OpenMap is a set of Swing components that understand geographic
coordinates.  These components help you show map data and help you 
handle
user input events to manipulate that data.

OpenMap is a trademark of BBNT Solutions LLC (a part of Verizon).


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Don Dietrick, BBN Technologies
10 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
(617) 873-3200
openmap at bbn.com
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=




From ycnyon at pd.jaring.my  Fri Nov 15 23:38:27 2002
From: ycnyon at pd.jaring.my (YC Nyon)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 06:38:27 +0800
Subject: [Freegis-list] RE: Mapopolis format
Message-ID: <000101c28cf8$6a6dbd30$5340baca@gis>

Does anyone have the format to write to a mapopolis map format
(www.mapopolis.com)?
I have the Mapinfo mbx file but wondering if there was something more
documented.

Regards
Nyon




From slzhang at email.njnu.edu.cn  Sun Nov 17 02:33:10 2002
From: slzhang at email.njnu.edu.cn (slzhang)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:33:10 +0800
Subject: [Freegis-list] Contents of Freegis-list digest.
In-Reply-To: <20021116110002.3480.54280.Mailman@doto.intevation.de>
Message-ID: <HMEOKFAPEPOAPENNCIBOKECMCAAA.slzhang@email.njnu.edu.cn>

Help

-

From raanders at acm.org  Mon Nov 18 22:54:18 2002
From: raanders at acm.org (Roderick A. Anderson)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:54:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Freegis-list] OT:? Wireless Planning software (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0211181352040.22948-100000@main.cyber-office.net>

Not sure if this went through the first time.  If so, my apologies.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:49:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Roderick A. Anderson <raanders at acm.org>
To: freegis-list at intevation.de
Subject: OT:? Wireless Planning software

I've rejoined the ranks of fully employed and one of my first projects is
to find some wireless network planning/design software.  Been to one site
for a Windows based package and got a severe case of the clicksies.  Too
much hype and not enough information, all gathered with FAR TOO MANY
clicks..  So I decided to go my first choice - open source and probably 
not Windows based.

I realize all the parts exist but I'm looking/hoping for a finished(ish)  
product.  The FreeGIS site turned up 0 for 'wireless' so I'm hope someone
here knows of a solution or can suggest better terms to search for.


TIA,
Rod
-- 
  "Open Source Software - Sometimes you get more than you paid for..."





From blazek at itc.it  Tue Nov 19 14:29:10 2002
From: blazek at itc.it (Radim Blazek)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:29:10 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Dynamic Segmentation
Message-ID: <02111914291000.07701@janacek>

Hi all,

does any free sw for dynamic segmentation exist?

Thanks.

Radim



From thomas.gfuellner at NOVOTEC.DE  Fri Nov 22 15:01:10 2002
From: thomas.gfuellner at NOVOTEC.DE (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_Gf=FCllner?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:01:10 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] ESRI Shapefile to a raster format
Message-ID: <170EAD51BA4BD5118EDD0000CB541CBB152B40@SCOTT>

Hi,

I have here some shapefiles and want to transform them into
a raster format, e.g. TIFF. I found shapelib in the GDAL
source tree, but it dosn't seem that GDAL can do the
rendering.

Are there other free tools? 



From geoffrey.rowland at noaa.gov  Fri Nov 22 15:04:30 2002
From: geoffrey.rowland at noaa.gov (Geoffrey Rowland)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:04:30 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] ESRI Shapefile to a raster format
References: <170EAD51BA4BD5118EDD0000CB541CBB152B40@SCOTT>
Message-ID: <3DDE396E.3030704@noaa.gov>

I believe when you compile MapServer , 
http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/index.html , it includes a tool called 
shp2img which does just that.  I could be very wrong however, heh.

Thomas Gf?llner wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have here some shapefiles and want to transform them into
>a raster format, e.g. TIFF. I found shapelib in the GDAL
>source tree, but it dosn't seem that GDAL can do the
>rendering.
>
>Are there other free tools? 
>
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From bernhard at intevation.de  Fri Nov 22 16:25:03 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:25:03 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] ESRI Shapefile to a raster format
In-Reply-To: <170EAD51BA4BD5118EDD0000CB541CBB152B40@SCOTT>
References: <170EAD51BA4BD5118EDD0000CB541CBB152B40@SCOTT>
Message-ID: <20021122152503.GC28204@intevation.de>

On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 03:01:10PM +0100, Thomas Gf?llner wrote:
> I have here some shapefiles and want to transform them into
> a raster format, e.g. TIFF. I found shapelib in the GDAL
> source tree, but it dosn't seem that GDAL can do the
> rendering.
> 
> Are there other free tools? 

Many tools can read shapefiles.
Mapserver can do it, OpenMap, Thuban, GRASS and even Sketch.sf.net
to name just a few.

Note that just the information in the shapefiles is not enough
to render nice maps, though. You need to specify that further.

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From guy_j_edwards at hotpop.com  Sun Nov 24 11:12:02 2002
From: guy_j_edwards at hotpop.com (Guy Edwards)
Date: 24 Nov 2002 10:12:02 +0000
Subject: [Freegis-list] Lx-Viewer (DWG viewer for Linux)
Message-ID: <1038132722.27232.163.camel@linstation.rebelbase>

Hello,

Just to let you know that the latest stable Lx-Viewer (0.98a) is out and
give a quick overview. LX-Viewer is a GPL program that will allow you to
open, view and print DWG or DXF files on Linux (+do other things).

Download from:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=30996
You will need the OpenDWG libraries also
http://www.opendwg.org

Any problems/questions/feedback you have is welcome

New features in 0.98a:
* latest Qt3 and OpenDWG support
* Single/multiple drawing auditing and reporting
* Accepts multiple command line parameters when starting the program
* internal command line with command history
* Postscript printer resolution increased from 72dpi to 600dpi 
* Added text and picture previews to the open file dialog 
* Viewer now stores a bitmap preview picture with the drawing file 
* Drawing is sniffed prior to load looking for corrupt data 
* XPM file output replaced with Portable Network Graphics files (PNG) 
* Standard install: ./configure, make and make install working 100%.
* many other misc improvements....... 

Project changes
* New, more informative website with development roadmaps/targets etc
* Project team up from 6 to 16 members
* Development has begun on 0.99

Thanks for your time,
Guy

http://lx-viewer.sourceforge.net

-----

Jan, any chance of updating the reference on the website? 
http://freegis.org/details.en.html?name=LX-Viewer
I won't bother you again until version 1.0, you've been linked too
http://lx-viewer.sourceforge.net/links.php






From rfulton at andrew.cmu.edu  Mon Nov 25 00:46:06 2002
From: rfulton at andrew.cmu.edu (Sean Fulton)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:46:06 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] NED DEMs in GRASS 5
Message-ID: <200211241846.06710.rfulton@andrew.cmu.edu>

Hello,

I've got a NED .dem file from PASDA (http://www.pasda.psc.edu/) that I'd 
like to import into GRASS. However, gdal says it's an unsupported format. 
Is there another way to get this into GRASS?

Thanks.

        Sean



From blazek at itc.it  Mon Nov 25 11:00:18 2002
From: blazek at itc.it (Radim Blazek)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:00:18 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Lx-Viewer (DWG viewer for Linux)
In-Reply-To: <1038132722.27232.163.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
References: <1038132722.27232.163.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
Message-ID: <02112511001801.27480@janacek>

On Sunday 24 November 2002 11:12 am, Guy Edwards wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Just to let you know that the latest stable Lx-Viewer (0.98a) is out and
> give a quick overview. LX-Viewer is a GPL program that will allow you to
> open, view and print DWG or DXF files on Linux (+do other things).
>
> Download from:
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=30996
> You will need the OpenDWG libraries also
> http://www.opendwg.org
>
> Any problems/questions/feedback you have is welcome
>
> New features in 0.98a:
> * latest Qt3 and OpenDWG support
> * Single/multiple drawing auditing and reporting
> * Accepts multiple command line parameters when starting the program
> * internal command line with command history
> * Postscript printer resolution increased from 72dpi to 600dpi
> * Added text and picture previews to the open file dialog
> * Viewer now stores a bitmap preview picture with the drawing file
> * Drawing is sniffed prior to load looking for corrupt data
> * XPM file output replaced with Portable Network Graphics files (PNG)
> * Standard install: ./configure, make and make install working 100%.
> * many other misc improvements.......
>
> Project changes
> * New, more informative website with development roadmaps/targets etc
> * Project team up from 6 to 16 members
> * Development has begun on 0.99

I would like to say that LX-Viewer is realy very good program 
(I am running 0.95a). Thank you.

I have some questions:
1) How to get libraries for Linux. Is it right that I must become at least 
"associate" member if I want libraries for Linux? Linux is not listed at  
http://www.opendwg.org/downloads/guest.htm "Member downloads".
2) Does any command line conversion tool (dwg<->dxf, versions) exist in 
LX-Viewer project?
3) Do you think that OpenDWG could become sometimes realy 'open', something 
like GPL or is it non free forever?
4) Once I read somewhere that support for editing and other formats (DGN) is
planned for lxviewer. Is it still true? 
5) (For others) Would it make sense to have DWG/DXF support based on OpenDWG
in OGR? Could somebody do that:)?

Radim






From neteler at itc.it  Mon Nov 25 11:04:30 2002
From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:04:30 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] NED DEMs in GRASS 5
In-Reply-To: <200211241846.06710.rfulton@andrew.cmu.edu>; from rfulton@andrew.cmu.edu on Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 06:46:06PM -0500
References: <200211241846.06710.rfulton@andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <20021125110430.D30157@itc.it>

On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 06:46:06PM -0500, Sean Fulton wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I've got a NED .dem file from PASDA (http://www.pasda.psc.edu/) that I'd 
> like to import into GRASS. However, gdal says it's an unsupported format. 
> Is there another way to get this into GRASS?

You mean
http://www.pasda.psu.edu/access/ned.shtml
                   ^
right? I just tried and it also failed for me.

According to 
http://www.remotesensing.org/gdal/frmt_various.html#USGSDEM
it should be supported. You may post that to the GDAL mailing
list or file a bug/wish at the GDAL site.

But meanwhile you can try (example: adams.dem)
 m.dem.examine adams.dem
 -> file contents
 
 m.dem.extract adams.dem
 -> import (not shure if this command is still functional)

Cheers

Markus Neteler



From guy_j_edwards at hotpop.com  Mon Nov 25 16:16:03 2002
From: guy_j_edwards at hotpop.com (Guy Edwards)
Date: 25 Nov 2002 15:16:03 +0000
Subject: [Freegis-list] Lx-Viewer (DWG viewer for Linux)
In-Reply-To: <02112511001801.27480@janacek>
References: <1038132722.27232.163.camel@linstation.rebelbase> 
	<02112511001801.27480@janacek>
Message-ID: <1038237365.26926.45.camel@linstation.rebelbase>

On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 10:00, Radim Blazek wrote:
[snip]
> I would like to say that LX-Viewer is really very good program 
> (I am running 0.95a). Thank you.

0.98 requires qt3 (most modern distributions have this already) but
should be a fair improvement. There's some new features and it installs
properly.
 
> I have some questions:

I run the website for the project, I'm not really a developer but I'll
try and answer what I can (e.g. if I've made an obvious mistake or said
something stupid, don't flame too much... )

> 1) How to get libraries for Linux. Is it right that I must become at least 
> "associate" member if I want libraries for Linux? Linux is not listed at  
> http://www.opendwg.org/downloads/guest.htm "Member downloads".

You do have to be an associate member to download the files, we aren't
allowed to distribute the files ourselves. I doubt that there could be
many disadvantages to joining, I've not received any spam. I think they
just want to keep track of the amount of people using the resources.

The libraries are just the OpenDWG viewkit and the OpenDWG toolkit which
are then compiled with the source of Lx-Viewer, they don't need to be
for a specific platform.

Looking at their website you want:
"AutoCAD 2002 compatible OpenDWG Toolkit/Viewkit Version 2.009.2 
available for download"
once you've logged in you click on 
OpenDWG Toolkit
and then
OpenDWG Viewkit

> 2) Does any command line conversion tool (dwg<->dxf, versions) exist in 
> LX-Viewer project?

Yes, the command line conversion utility, if you have a look on the file
downloads page at
https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=30996
you'll see it.

I'm pressing to get this merged into the main program. The main program
now accepts different command line switched and can report on an entire
directory of drawings.

> 3) Do you think that OpenDWG could become sometimes realy 'open', something 
> like GPL or is it non free forever?

I'm not an expert on the OpenDWG libraries but we have had discussions
on the developers mailing list about what would happen if the OpenDWG
libraries suddenly disappeared for some reason.

The Lx-Viewer program is 100% GPL, the OpenDWG code is not, but the
license isn't that bad as I understand it (compared to certain other CAD
code we could be using) and it's a very quick way of putting the project
together. 

As I understand it you can change from a restrictive license to GPL but
going back again is the impossible part?

> 4) Once I read somewhere that support for editing and other formats (DGN) is
> planned for lxviewer. Is it still true? 

Lx-Viewer is mainly a viewer, printer, format changer etc. If we get
more people involved then we can do more things. We've just had another
good Qt developer join the project so things might start evolving quite
quickly. This should also mean a windows version soon (Jan-April?).

This will give you an idea of where we could head in the future:
http://lx-viewer.sourceforge.net/program.php
but we're open to new ideas.

We've started talking about DGN on the developers mailing list but
that's it so far really. If lots of people express an interest then it
would become a higher priority. What DGN abilities would you like to
see?

The SVG format is going to be added in version 0.99, it's being worked
on now. 

If you've got any more questions, ask away.

Guy





From rfulton at andrew.cmu.edu  Mon Nov 25 17:15:06 2002
From: rfulton at andrew.cmu.edu (R. Sean Fulton)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:15:06 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] NED DEMs in GRASS 5
In-Reply-To: <20021125110430.D30157@itc.it>
References: <200211241846.06710.rfulton@andrew.cmu.edu>
 <20021125110430.D30157@itc.it>
Message-ID: <a05200f03ba07fc97c7bd@[128.182.61.195]>

>On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 06:46:06PM -0500, Sean Fulton wrote:
>>  Hello,
>>
>>  I've got a NED .dem file from PASDA (http://www.pasda.psc.edu/) that I'd
>>  like to import into GRASS. However, gdal says it's an unsupported format.
>>  Is there another way to get this into GRASS?
>
>You mean
>http://www.pasda.psu.edu/access/ned.shtml
>                    ^
>right? I just tried and it also failed for me.
>
>According to
>http://www.remotesensing.org/gdal/frmt_various.html#USGSDEM
>it should be supported. You may post that to the GDAL mailing
>list or file a bug/wish at the GDAL site.
>
>But meanwhile you can try (example: adams.dem)
>  m.dem.examine adams.dem
>  -> file contents
>
>  m.dem.extract adams.dem
>  -> import (not shure if this command is still functional)
>
>Cheers
>
>Markus Neteler

Markus,

Thanks for your reply. Those are the ones and I'll try your workaround.

Frank Warmerdam has already committed a patch to gdal for this.

	Sean



Thanks for the reply



From bernhard at intevation.de  Mon Nov 25 20:13:39 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:13:39 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Lx-Viewer (DWG viewer for Linux)
In-Reply-To: <1038237365.26926.45.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
References: <1038132722.27232.163.camel@linstation.rebelbase> <02112511001801.27480@janacek> <1038237365.26926.45.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
Message-ID: <20021125191339.GB404@intevation.de>

On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 03:16:03PM +0000, Guy Edwards wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 10:00, Radim Blazek wrote:
The FSF's FAQ on the GNU GPL answer a couple of licensing pecularities.
	http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html


> > 3) Do you think that OpenDWG could become sometimes realy 'open', something 
> > like GPL or is it non free forever?
> 
> I'm not an expert on the OpenDWG libraries but we have had discussions
> on the developers mailing list about what would happen if the OpenDWG
> libraries suddenly disappeared for some reason.
> 
> The Lx-Viewer program is 100% GPL, the OpenDWG code is not, 


	http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WritingFSWithNFLibs
	Excerpt:

	if the libraries you need come with major
	parts of a proprietary operating system, 
	the GPL says people can link your program with them.

	If you want your program to link against a library not covered by
	that exception, you need to add your own exception, wholly outside
	of the GPL.

	Adding this exception eliminates the legal issue, but does
	nothing about the more serious problem of using a non-free library:
	your program won't be fully usable in a free environment. 


> As I understand it you can change from a restrictive license to GPL but
> going back again is the impossible part?

As the copyright holder you can issue several licenses on your code.
Once you properly licensed a specific version under the GNU GPL
you cannot revoke that rights for the users you got that software anymore.

However you can instantaniously start to license 
the same or new code differently and not hand out GNU GPL licenses anymore.
This also hold for other Free Software licenses.
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From guy_j_edwards at hotpop.com  Mon Nov 25 21:20:40 2002
From: guy_j_edwards at hotpop.com (Guy Edwards)
Date: 25 Nov 2002 20:20:40 +0000
Subject: [Freegis-list] Lx-Viewer (DWG viewer for Linux)
In-Reply-To: <20021125191339.GB404@intevation.de>
References: <1038132722.27232.163.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
	<02112511001801.27480@janacek>
	<1038237365.26926.45.camel@linstation.rebelbase> 
	<20021125191339.GB404@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <1038255641.27625.287.camel@linstation.rebelbase>

apologies if this is drifting OT for this group

On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 19:13, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
[snip] 
> 	If you want your program to link against a library not covered by
> 	that exception, you need to add your own exception, wholly outside
> 	of the GPL.

Hi Bernhard,
All just my opinion of course, and I'm not a programmer so sorry if I've
missed something obvious....

I'm unsure of what form this exception should take. Can you give an
example of a program with such an exception? I'm not disputing it I just
want to see how someone else has done it.

Wouldn't the source still be GPL, the code only becoming tainted once
you compiled it? Remember we aren't allowed to distribute the OpenDWG
code with our source.

> 	Adding this exception eliminates the legal issue, but does
> 	nothing about the more serious problem of using a non-free library:
> 	your program won't be fully usable in a free environment. 

Something to consider for the future. Finding an alternative to the
OpenDWG libraries would mean a lot more work. I seem to remember
something about KDE originally coming under heavy fire for using
non-free libraries which was cured by the license for the libraries
changing in the end? Maybe it's worth sitting tight for now and waiting.

Guy
 






From jan at intevation.de  Mon Nov 25 23:00:52 2002
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:00:52 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Lx-Viewer (DWG viewer for Linux)
In-Reply-To: <1038255641.27625.287.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
References: <1038132722.27232.163.camel@linstation.rebelbase> <02112511001801.27480@janacek> <1038237365.26926.45.camel@linstation.rebelbase> <20021125191339.GB404@intevation.de> <1038255641.27625.287.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
Message-ID: <20021125220052.GA4638@intevation.de>

On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 08:20:40PM +0000, Guy Edwards wrote:
> apologies if this is drifting OT for this group

this topic perfectly fits this mailing list.

> On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 19:13, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
> Wouldn't the source still be GPL, the code only becoming tainted once
> you compiled it? Remember we aren't allowed to distribute the OpenDWG
> code with our source.
> 
> > 	Adding this exception eliminates the legal issue, but does
> > 	nothing about the more serious problem of using a non-free library:
> > 	your program won't be fully usable in a free environment. 
> 
> Something to consider for the future. Finding an alternative to the
> OpenDWG libraries would mean a lot more work. I seem to remember
> something about KDE originally coming under heavy fire for using
> non-free libraries which was cured by the license for the libraries
> changing in the end? Maybe it's worth sitting tight for now and waiting.

I am concerned with the problem that lx-viewer actually can not be
used for any commercial purpose (as it should be the case for Free Software).

The situation is even more problematic than the KDE/qt case was.
Also I am pretty sure that things will not improve if not worked on.

Substituting OpenDWG might be a painful, but an important way to go.
First, of course, a corresponding request should be forwarded to
OpenDWG on whether they would make their code Free Software and 
if not, why. Once it is clear they will not make their stuff Free
Software it is clear that OpenDWG must eventually be replaced and plans
can be worked out already. Maybe other projects also want to replace OpenDWG
and collaborate?

	Jan

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From guy_j_edwards at hotpop.com  Mon Nov 25 23:57:45 2002
From: guy_j_edwards at hotpop.com (Guy Edwards)
Date: 25 Nov 2002 22:57:45 +0000
Subject: [Freegis-list] Lx-Viewer (DWG viewer for Linux)
In-Reply-To: <20021125220052.GA4638@intevation.de>
References: <1038132722.27232.163.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
	<02112511001801.27480@janacek>
	<1038237365.26926.45.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
	<20021125191339.GB404@intevation.de>
	<1038255641.27625.287.camel@linstation.rebelbase> 
	<20021125220052.GA4638@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <1038265066.27642.460.camel@linstation.rebelbase>

If you hold fire for 8 hours or so, the main developer will hopefully be
on the list to answer the questions.

On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 22:00, Jan-Oliver Wagner wrote: 
> I am concerned with the problem that lx-viewer actually can not be
> used for any commercial purpose (as it should be the case for Free Software).

It's not a great situation if I've got it right but it can be used
commercially. If a company currently wanted to distribute lx-viewer as a
commercial product, including the opendwg libraries they would have to
be a commercial associate member of the opendwg alliance (or at least
one person would). This requires:

"You make a timely payment of a one-time enrollment fee and first-year
membership dues totaling $1,000. This fee entitles your organization to
a perpetual, nonexclusive, royalty-free object code license to use the
currently available version of the OpenDWG libraries in a commercial
product."

..Which is pretty expensive for a small program! To be fair the project
just sprung out of a desire to be able to view DWG files on Linux, I
don't think anyone ever had this in mind and this is the first time
anyones mentioned a problem (that I know of). 

> The situation is even more problematic than the KDE/qt case was.
> Also I am pretty sure that things will not improve if not worked on.


From Buyer242299 at aol.com  Tue Nov 26 03:12:17 2002
From: Buyer242299 at aol.com (Buyer242299@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:12:17 EST
Subject: [Freegis-list] Lx-Viewer (DWG viewer for Linux)
Message-ID: <78.3158ee1b.2b143281@aol.com>


Hello all,

I am the nut case that started the lx-drawing viewer program. Guy asked me to 
review the posts made here recently and to comment on any information or 
points I saw that may need clarification.   I have been a member of this list 
for all of 30 minutes so go easy on me.

1)  You do need to be a member of the OpenDWG alliance to download the 
libraries.  I saw one line where it was said that the libraries are the same 
for all platforms - that is not correct.  On the members page there are 
versions for many different platforms.  I just checked and the Linux versions 
are still both posted.  The toolkit linux version is in the second column of 
choices, two down.  The viewkit linux version is in the second column of 
choices, three down.  

2) Once you become a member of the Alliance you are instantly granted access 
to the libraries to use (in perpetuity).  According to the license this use 
is for your own personal and internal use. The following discussion was 
lifted from the OpenDWG formus, but I think it answers many of the questions 
raised here:


   posted March 08, 2001 03:36 PM      I am using the associate's viewkit to 
write some utilities, dwg2png, dwg2ps, dwg2jpeg.  

Question 1)
According to the license I may:    

*  You may incorporate the OpenDWG libraries into programs that are used 
within your organization, or are distributed for free to the general public 
(noncommercial use only)

What does noncommercial use mean here?  Does it say I must
attempt to prevent people in a profit-making institution
from using it?  Or does it say I must not attempt to make
money from it?

Question 2)

Are any common licenses considered compatible with the viewkit: e.g., GPL, 
LGPL, BSD? 
That is, I am not asking about opendwg code or libraries.
I want to know if I write a piece of code which is linked
to the viewkit, may I release my code under the GPL or
some license which is considered compatible?

Question 3)

Is addispwk.c copyrighted, licensed, or otherwise controlled.  If so, how may 
modifications of addispwk.c
be distributed? 
   
Evan Yares 
Administrator 
Member # 3 

   posted March 12, 2001 11:33 AM      In this case, noncommercial means that 
you can't sell it.  It is a Copyleft type restriction.  So, if you develop 
these applications, we ask you to make them available to us for distribution 
on the OpenDWG website.  (By the way, they sound like great tools.)

We are not entirely compatible with GPL or its ilk - but we are close enough. 
 Your applications can be GPL compatible by providing only *your* source code 
as part of the package, and referring any users who wish to modify your 
applications back to the OpenDWG web site for the Toolkit or Viewkit.  You 
may thus incorporate the OpenDWG libraries into the executable distribution 
of the software.

We had not previously put any separate license terms on addispwk.c, but I'm 
amenable to offering it under GPL.

Evan Yares
President/Executive Director, OpenDWG Alliance 



3)   I am not writing the following as an opendwg cheerleader, but this 
library seems to be the best that we have to work with right now.  I read 
with some interest the discussion about developing a true GPL drawing format. 
 No doubt it is a worth goal, but as a practical matter I don't see it ever 
happening.  I must passed the 2 year anniversary of working on Viewer, and if 
you really think about it there is not a whole lot to show after 2 years (for 
a hobby maybe not bad, but wholly unacceptable in a commercial environment).

4)  The discussion about QCAD and dxf I also found interesting.  I know that 
many of my users are QCAD users that need some utility to convert dwg files 
they are sent into dxf that QCAD can read. 

5)  The batch conversion routine was written as a command line process 
because a year or so ago someone asked me to write one that way.  He wanted 
to set it up a cron job to batch convert dwg's into dxf's.  My thoughts for 
viewer are to eventually have a scripting facility available so users can 
customize it as they want (QT is developing a scripting app as a plug in).  
In the mean time I can certainly add additional batching abiltiy to the "save 
as" command.  

That's my 2 cents worth.  Hope this helps a bit with the discussion.

Andy

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From jan at intevation.de  Wed Nov 27 00:03:56 2002
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 00:03:56 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] FreeGIS Workshop 6-dec-2002
Message-ID: <20021126230356.GA16800@intevation.de>

Hi,

this primarily addresses german-speaking people interested
in the FreeGIS Workshop:

On 6-Dec-2002, the FreeGIS Workshop (covering an introduction to
professional use of Free Software + FreeGIS as well as a practical
part on GRASS, Deegree and MapServer) is hold in Bonn, Germany.

All details (in german) can be found at

  http://www.zgis.at/seminare/content.asp?details.asp?ID=02W10%20~main

Best

	Jan

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Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/



From neteler at itc.it  Wed Nov 27 11:21:50 2002
From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:21:50 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] New GPL'ed LIDAR package
In-Reply-To: <434C888F-010B-11D7-BAA4-003065A26A6C@ing.unitn.it>; from riccardo.rigon@ing.unitn.it on Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 07:49:51AM +0100
References: <434C888F-010B-11D7-BAA4-003065A26A6C@ing.unitn.it>
Message-ID: <20021127112150.H27321@itc.it>

Dear list,

a new LIDAR data processing package under GNU/GPL license is available
now.

The fwd below.

Cheers

 Markus

> > From: Marco Roggero <roggero at atlantic.polito.it>
> > Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002  3:50:15 PM Europe/Paris
> > To: xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: LIDAR package
> >
> > A new LIDAR data processing package under GNU/GPL license is available 
> > today.
> > This project is under development, so be quiet and wait for new 
> > documentation and
> > routines.
> > ?
> > The package perform:
> > - data gridding
> > - filtering grid data
> > - DTM extraction
> > - data validation
> > - raw data clustering
> > ?
> > The documentation include some papers about used algorithms.
> > ?
> > =====================================================
> > Availability via FTP:
> > ?
> > host:??????????? gps.polito.it
> > user ID:????? anonymous
> > pwd:??????????? your e-mail
> > ?
> > Go to the directory "lidar". You will find
> > - GNU??????????? software
> > - pdf??????????????? documentation in pdf and jpg format
> > - ppt??????????????? documentation in power point ppt format
> > =====================================================
> > ?
> > For any problem or suggestion, contact roggero at atlantic.polito.it
> > ?
> > Best regards,
> > Marco Roggero
> > ?
> > *******************************************
> > Marco Roggero
> > Politecnico di Torino
> > c/o II Facolt?
> > Piazza S. Eusebio 5 - 13100 Vercelli
> > 0161 - 226390
> > *******************************************
> > CP 38 - 13048 Santhi? (VC)
> > 0161 - 923601
> > 338 - 5803873
> > *******************************************



From bernhard at intevation.de  Wed Nov 27 12:03:18 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:03:18 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Lx-Viewer (DWG viewer for Linux)
In-Reply-To: <1038255641.27625.287.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
References: <1038132722.27232.163.camel@linstation.rebelbase> <02112511001801.27480@janacek> <1038237365.26926.45.camel@linstation.rebelbase> <20021125191339.GB404@intevation.de> <1038255641.27625.287.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
Message-ID: <20021127110318.GB16532@intevation.de>

On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 08:20:40PM +0000, Guy Edwards wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 19:13, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
> [snip] 
> > 	If you want your program to link against a library not covered by
> > 	that exception, you need to add your own exception, wholly outside
> > 	of the GPL.

> I'm unsure of what form this exception should take. Can you give an
> example of a program with such an exception? I'm not disputing it I just
> want to see how someone else has done it.

http://www.lyx.org/about/license.php3
http://freecard.sourceforge.net/website/licence/license.php
Trolltech recommends it:
http://www.trolltech.com/developer/licensing/noncomm-notes.html

> Wouldn't the source still be GPL, the code only becoming tainted once
> you compiled it? Remember we aren't allowed to distribute the OpenDWG
> code with our source.

If you give somebody a "tainted" binary, they would not be licensed
to use it. Thus this does not make sense.
So you only can you GPL+ Exception or a different Free Software
license, like the Lesser GNU GPL or the non-protecting XFree86 license.

> > 	Adding this exception eliminates the legal issue, but does
> > 	nothing about the more serious problem of using a non-free library:
> > 	your program won't be fully usable in a free environment. 
> 
> Something to consider for the future. Finding an alternative to the
> OpenDWG libraries would mean a lot more work. 

Yes, you can read the full paragraph, it continues:
	So please consider: can you find a way to get the job done
	without using this library? Can you write a free replacement for
	that library?

	If the program is already written using the non-free library,
	perhaps it is too late to change the decision. You may as well
	release the program as it stands, rather than not release it. But
	please mention in the README that the need for the non-free library
	is a drawback, and suggest the task of changing the program so that
	it does the same job without the non-free library.

	Also please tell us (<tasks at gnu.org>) about the non-free library and
	what job it does. We could encourage people to develop a free
	library to do the same job. 


> I seem to remember
> something about KDE originally coming under heavy fire for using
> non-free libraries which was cured by the license for the libraries
> changing in the end? 

The problem was that people did not have a license to use KDE 
linked with QT. Most media report did not fully cover the correct details.

> Maybe it's worth sitting tight for now and waiting.

No, because to be precise people currently do not have a license to use 
binaries of lxviewer yet.


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From guy_j_edwards at hotpop.com  Wed Nov 27 16:14:48 2002
From: guy_j_edwards at hotpop.com (Guy Edwards)
Date: 27 Nov 2002 15:14:48 +0000
Subject: [Freegis-list] Lx-Viewer (DWG viewer for Linux)
In-Reply-To: <20021127110318.GB16532@intevation.de>
References: <1038132722.27232.163.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
	<02112511001801.27480@janacek>
	<1038237365.26926.45.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
	<20021125191339.GB404@intevation.de>
	<1038255641.27625.287.camel@linstation.rebelbase> 
	<20021127110318.GB16532@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <1038410089.12492.38.camel@linstation.rebelbase>

On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 11:03, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
> http://www.lyx.org/about/license.php3

That's great, thanks for the link, I now understand, I'll amend all the
references to license I can find immediately, subject to agreeing the
text with the others on the project of course.

> No, because to be precise people currently do not have a license to use 
> binaries of lxviewer yet.

The license obviously needs a minor amendment to make it correct which
will be done asap. We weren't aware of this before and I apologize.
We're just human and we'll fix it.

With the OpenDWG libraries (Once the license with Lx-Viewer has the
amended) you are permitted to use binaries of Lx-Viewer as long as it's
for non-commercial use.

Like I said before, address any other concerns to someone who knows much
better than I, that being Andrew Bibb the head of the project, who has
posted to this list since.

Guy





From jan at intevation.de  Thu Nov 28 00:08:09 2002
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:08:09 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Lx-Viewer (DWG viewer for Linux)
In-Reply-To: <1038410089.12492.38.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
References: <1038132722.27232.163.camel@linstation.rebelbase> <02112511001801.27480@janacek> <1038237365.26926.45.camel@linstation.rebelbase> <20021125191339.GB404@intevation.de> <1038255641.27625.287.camel@linstation.rebelbase> <20021127110318.GB16532@intevation.de> <1038410089.12492.38.camel@linstation.rebelbase>
Message-ID: <20021127230809.GJ31590@intevation.de>

On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 03:14:48PM +0000, Guy Edwards wrote:
> With the OpenDWG libraries (Once the license with Lx-Viewer has the
> amended) you are permitted to use binaries of Lx-Viewer as long as it's
> for non-commercial use.

I've added a hint on freegis that points out the problem.
This is important since any other tool listed here (to our
best knowlege) can be used for any purpose ie. also
including commercial use which is something we propagate 
with FreeGIS.

Hopefully, the library we'll be freed some day or be
substituted by a Free Software.

	Jan

-- 
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Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/



From guano at usp.br  Thu Nov 28 17:02:35 2002
From: guano at usp.br (Carlos Henrique Grohmann de Carvalho)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:02:35 -0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] vector analisys
Message-ID: <20021128160239.EE7BB1C258@mail.intevation.de>

Hello all
 

 
I need to perform some analisys in vector (dxf) files. the files have lines, 
and I need to know the length and azimuth of each one ,output may be in a 
text-file.
 

 
Does anyone knows a soft that can do it?
 

 
thanks all.
 

 
+-------------------------------------------------+
 
   Carlos Henrique Grohmann de Carvalho - Guano   
 
       Geologist  -   MSc Student IGc-USP 
 
   Linux User #89721  PGP key: www.keyserver.net
 
+-------------------------------------------------+
 







From holgerzebner at gmx.de  Fri Nov 29 22:27:03 2002
From: holgerzebner at gmx.de (Holger Zebner)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:27:03 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] freegis for *.shp?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021129222205.009fb390@pop3.web.de>

Hello List,
I have I question about vektor programs.
Is there a program that can deal with ESRI shape files? I have tried out 
GRASS but it seem to komlex to do simple digitalizing, attribute table 
editing and querys. The program should have simlar features to ArcView.

Greetings
Holger




From jidanni at dman.ddts.net  Sat Nov 30 23:56:41 2002
From: jidanni at dman.ddts.net (Dan Jacobson)
Date: 01 Dec 2002 06:56:41 +0800
Subject: [Freegis-list] converting rectangular to polar coordinates
Message-ID: <87isyeu0nq.fsf@jidanni.org>

Dear Sirs, do any of the major programs on your site do the simple
task of converting rectangular to polar coordinates?  GMT's project(1)
maybe does, but its man page is too complicated.  Yes a one line awk
script could do the job, but I'm still curious about GMT, grass and proj.

e.g. I am at x=235,y=2675 and I want input
222 2670
211 2555
to be output in azimuth and distance.
-- 
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