From a.gelchu at fisheries.ubc.ca  Mon Jun  4 23:17:05 2001
From: a.gelchu at fisheries.ubc.ca (Ahmed Gelchu)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 14:17:05 -0700 
Subject: [Freegis-list] Projection
Message-ID: <41ED8318D1302947A51DA51A09BA776F053B@fishcntr01.fisheries.ubc.ca>

I  wanted to convert a shapefile that is in stereographic projection to flat
world map projection. My aim is to get coordinates of the map in Lat/Long. I
used the Projector extension that comes with Arcview and it gave me  a kind
of  strange shapefile with lots of unnecessary horizontal parallel lines. Is
there anybody out there with solution to my problem?. 

 Regards,

Ahmed A. Gelchu
University of British Columbia
Fisheries Centre
2204 Main Mall
Vancouver, BC
Canada V6T 1Z4
e-mail: a.gelchu at fisheries.ubc.ca 
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From acuster at nature.berkeley.edu  Tue Jun  5 03:28:33 2001
From: acuster at nature.berkeley.edu (Adrian Custer)
Date: 04 Jun 2001 18:28:33 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] Fwd: [ANNOUNCE] Initial Release of PostGIS
Message-ID: <991704514.1158.0.camel@tsetse.lab-net>

Hey Everyone,

This just appeared on the FMaps list, thought it might be interesting...

--adrian


-----Forwarded Message-----
From: John Reid <jgreid at uow.edu.au>
To: FMaps Developers <fmaps-devel at lists.sourceforge.net>, Grass SQL list
<sqlgrass at geog.uni-hannover.de>, OSVecDB mailing list

--FORWARDED MESSAGE--


Refractions Research is pleased to announce the inital release of
PostGIS, a set of 3-D geographic object types for the PostgreSQL 7.1.x
database server.

PostGIS includes the following functionality:

- Simple Features as defined by the OpenGIS Consortium (OGC)
  - Point
  - LineString
  - Polygon (with holes)
  - MultiPoint
  - MultiLineString
  - MultiPolygon
  - GeometryCollection
- The text representation of the simple features is the OGC 
  Well-Known Text format.
- Geometries can be indexed using either R-Tree (not recommended) or 
  GiST (recommended).
- Simple geospatial analysis functions.
- PostgreSQL JDBC extension objects corresponding to the geometries.

PostGIS is released under the GNU General Public Licence.

For more information, visit the PostGIS web site,
http://postgis.refractions.net or join the discussion list by sending a
message to postgis-subscribe at yahoogroups.com .





From fnievinski at cpovo.net  Tue Jun  5 06:54:02 2001
From: fnievinski at cpovo.net (Felipe G. Nievinski)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 01:54:02 -0300
Subject: [Freegis-list] Orthophoto Server
Message-ID: <200106050154020120.00AB212A@smtp.terra.com.br>

a found on the Web:

Orthophoto Server
http://tull.mit.edu/orthoserver/

"The MIT OrthoServer is a set of components that serve large collections
of geo-image libraries online, in a seamless, multi-resolution fashion.
These components are available for others to use and modify, subject to
the GNU Public License (GPL)." (although in another page he states it's
subject to the Open Source Artistic License)

Some very nice apps made with it:
http://mapus.jpl.nasa.gov/
http://coast.mit.edu/

New features in this release (from earlier 2000):
- New "generic" server gets its behavior from an ASCII configuration file
- Server and client conform to the (proposed) OpenGIS Web Mapping Server 1 interface
- Server "scrubs" incoming CGI parameters for added security
- Server and client support multiple map layers


best regards,
Felipe Nievinski.




From jan at intevation.de  Wed Jun  6 09:44:45 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 09:44:45 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Web Map Server cookbook
In-Reply-To: <3B163768.B5671EB9@intl-interfaces.com>; from adoyle@intl-interfaces.com on Thu, May 31, 2001 at 08:22:00AM -0400
References: <3B163768.B5671EB9@intl-interfaces.com>
Message-ID: <20010606094445.B28351@intevation.de>

Dear Felipe, Allan, and all others

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 08:22:00AM -0400, Allan Doyle wrote:
> Felipe G. Nievinski fnievinski at cpovo.net wrote:
> 
> > It may be of your interest:
> >
> > http://www.intl-interfaces.net/cookbook/WMS/
> > a web map server, OpenGIS compliant, built around linux, python, 
> > apache and netpbm.
> > the source code is avaible, however without any indication of license used
> > - but I think it's a matter of asking.
> I never realized there was an email list associated with FreeGIS until
> Bernhard contacted me yesterday about this. I've added in a license to the
> code, I chose the MIT License. I also added in links to a WMS cookbook
> written by Rob Raskin at JPL and to the GSDI cookbook which contains more
> than just WMS info.

I have added basic-wms2.py to freegis.org.
Thanks to Felipe for the info. And of course
thanks to Allan for developing this Free Software
Web Mapping tool!

Jan

-- 
Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/

Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/



From jan at intevation.de  Wed Jun  6 09:55:02 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 09:55:02 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Projection
In-Reply-To: <41ED8318D1302947A51DA51A09BA776F053B@fishcntr01.fisheries.ubc.ca>; from a.gelchu@fisheries.ubc.ca on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 02:17:05PM -0700
References: <41ED8318D1302947A51DA51A09BA776F053B@fishcntr01.fisheries.ubc.ca>
Message-ID: <20010606095502.C28351@intevation.de>

Hi Ahmed,

On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 02:17:05PM -0700, Ahmed Gelchu wrote:
> I  wanted to convert a shapefile that is in stereographic projection to flat
> world map projection. My aim is to get coordinates of the map in Lat/Long. I
> used the Projector extension that comes with Arcview and it gave me  a kind
> of  strange shapefile with lots of unnecessary horizontal parallel lines. Is
> there anybody out there with solution to my problem?. 

if your are looking for help with ArcView this is the wrong mailing list
(newsgroup comp.infosystems.gis or ESRI mailing lists are better places to
get an answer).

If you are looking for a Free Software product that helps you with the
projection, there are several opportunities of which most
are actually based on the PROJ library.

Depending on the amount of your data and your programming skills you may
want to try out GRASS (as a full-featured GIS), use PROJ directly (command line,
seperate shapefile conversion necessary) or try out OpenMap (which I am not
too familiar with, but it should be able to solve the task).

There are further tools - comments?

Cheers

	Jan

-- 
Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/

Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/



From jan at intevation.de  Wed Jun  6 10:06:36 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:06:36 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Fwd: [ANNOUNCE] Initial Release of PostGIS
In-Reply-To: <991704514.1158.0.camel@tsetse.lab-net>; from acuster@nature.berkeley.edu on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 06:28:33PM -0700
References: <991704514.1158.0.camel@tsetse.lab-net>
Message-ID: <20010606100636.D28351@intevation.de>

Hi Adrian, all,

On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 06:28:33PM -0700, Adrian Custer wrote:
> This just appeared on the FMaps list, thought it might be interesting...

PostGIS as an extension to PostgreSQL for geographic objects as
Free Software is definitely interesting! I have added PostGIS
as library to freegis.org.

Thanks to Adrian for the hint!

Jan

-- 
Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/

Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/



From jan at intevation.de  Wed Jun  6 10:29:50 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:29:50 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Orthophoto Server
In-Reply-To: <200106050154020120.00AB212A@smtp.terra.com.br>; from fnievinski@cpovo.net on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 01:54:02AM -0300
References: <200106050154020120.00AB212A@smtp.terra.com.br>
Message-ID: <20010606102950.G28351@intevation.de>

On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 01:54:02AM -0300, Felipe G. Nievinski wrote:
> a found on the Web:
> 
> Orthophoto Server
> http://tull.mit.edu/orthoserver/
> 
> "The MIT OrthoServer is a set of components that serve large collections
> of geo-image libraries online, in a seamless, multi-resolution fashion.
> These components are available for others to use and modify, subject to
> the GNU Public License (GPL)." (although in another page he states it's 
> subject to the Open Source Artistic License)
> 
> Some very nice apps made with it:
> http://mapus.jpl.nasa.gov/
> http://coast.mit.edu/
> 
> New features in this release (from earlier 2000):
> - New "generic" server gets its behavior from an ASCII configuration file
> - Server and client conform to the (proposed) OpenGIS Web Mapping Server 1 interface
> - Server "scrubs" incoming CGI parameters for added security
> - Server and client support multiple map layers

again thanks to Felipe (web explorer of the week :-).

I have added MIT OrthoServer to FreeGIS and asked about the license.

Cheers

	Jan

-- 
Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/

Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/



From bernhard at intevation.de  Thu Jun  7 15:08:00 2001
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:08:00 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] site of the month at gis.about.com
Message-ID: <20010607150800.A2703@intevation.de>

FreeGIS.org ist site of the month for June 2001 at

	http://gis.about.com/science/gis/library/sotm/blfreegis.htm

It even mentions this list. :)

| If you can't find what you need, there is also a discussion email
| list you can sign up for.The list is fairly active with regular
| emails from members looking for free utilities or suggestions of
| resources to visit.

We almost have 200 people on this list and I feel that we still
have a low noise ratio. So thanks to everyone participating in the discussions.
The press reaction above shows that our community is growing and
getting more attention.

Regards,
	Bernhard

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From adoyle at intl-interfaces.com  Wed Jun  6 12:33:08 2001
From: adoyle at intl-interfaces.com (Allan Doyle)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 06:33:08 -0400
Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: [OSVecDB] PostGIS Features
References: <3B1DAB63.19433277@refractions.net> <20010605221608.F28461@calico.local>
Message-ID: <3B1E06E4.532B0DAF@intl-interfaces.com>

There's a new chunk of geometry info in the OGC RFP that's out right now,
which may fill in the gaps, but may  also be a bit on the complex/overkill
side. See http://www.opengis.org/info/press/033001Geom_RFP.htm

There is also extensive work going on in the GML side of things to add
topology and other  things. I don't know how much of that info is publicly
available, but you could check the galdosinc.com site.

Galdos is also releasing a GML Java implementation on sourceforge.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gml4j

	Allan

"Eric G. Miller" wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 09:02:43PM -0700, Paul Ramsey wrote:
> > Hi folks, I came across this list by accident after our first release:
> > I'm one of the people from Refractions involved in the PostGIS work (not
> > one of the smart ones, just a talkative one). Right now what we have is
> > a core set of functionality, things like:
> [snip]
> > The question we're asking ourselves now is: what next? Some things are
> > on the list already:
> >
> > - Testing testing. Loading some big datasets, building some big indexes.
> > - A gml() output function which renders output features in GML. This
> > could be useful in a feature server.
> > - More complete and better organized documentation. Right now things are
> > a little snagletoothed.
> 
> I haven't gotten a chance to look closely at PostGIS, but does it
> support all of the functions of the OGC docs?  What I've read, it seems
> like they aren't all there (like union/intersect, etc...).
> 
> > Longer term, it seems clear to us that any useful spatial database also
> > has to support a coverage topology. There are going to be datasets which
> > fit a coverage model and can get great leverage by using one. Other
> > datasets fit a simple features schema better. But really, the system
> > needs both.
> 
> Coverage topology would be nice for (routes, regions, networks, etc...).
> GeometryCollection is a terrible way to implement such things.  It may
> eventually be more practical to use lower level database primitives,
> rather than the big complex struct.  In theory, it should be possible to
> map the graph representation to a set of related tables, but it's
> non-trivial to manage.  Also, it diverges from the OGC spec.  Seems
> likely that keeping all datasets in one "Features" table will not be
> very efficient unless each dataset has it's own database (too bad
> postgresql doesn't *yet* support schemas).
> 
> I think a valid question to consider is whether this repository will
> function as a data development repository, or mostly for serving up data
> for display/query.
> 
> > However, short term suggestions is what we really need. Is anyone
> > thinking of using something like postgis in a project? If so, what kind
> > of features would it require?
> 
> I'm very interested.  I'm currently on a new GIS Library Architechture
> committee and folks are very interested in a generic but scalable
> library that is not tied to any vendor's product and metadata (FGDC/ISO)
> handling.  Please feel free to contact me directly.
> 
> --
> Eric G. Miller <egm2 at jps.net>
> ----------------------------------------
> OpenSource Vector Database Discussion List
> See http://gdal.velocet.ca/projects/osvecdb/ for subscription, unsubscription
> and other information.

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International Interfaces        +1 781 433 2695 (Office)
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From bernhard at intevation.de  Fri Jun  8 16:06:22 2001
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 16:06:22 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] FreeGIS-CD 1.1.0 released
Message-ID: <20010608160622.D7728@intevation.de>


	FreeGIS-CD 1.1.0 for GNU/Linux-Systems released.
 
  The FreeGIS-CD's sixth edition (v1.1.0) adds geographic
  information processing capabilities to major GNU/Linux distributions.

Osnabr?ck, Germany, 8th of June 2001.
Intevation GmbH, the leading Free Software Company in the area
of geographic information systems published the sixth edition of
its compiliation of Free Software and data for spatial data processing.

For a long time geographic information systmes (GIS) 
were regarded high-level and cost intensive solutions, 
demanding high-priced hardware and skilled operators. 

The now published FreeGIS-Cd was tested on major Linux based
GNU-Systems, like RedHat, Mandrake, Suse and Debian and
 significantly lowers the entry barrier towards the world of GIS.

"This collection demonstrates the high potential of Free Software
for spatial data processing", explains Jan-Oliver Wagner the coordinator
of the FreeGIS-Project. "This is only the beginning as the development
is under full steam. We will continue to bring our clients the best
solution with Free Software."

The FreeGIS-CD v1.1.0 can be ordered for 25 Euros 
through Intevation GmbH and ships out of Germany and North America:
	http://freegis.org/order.en.html


	About the FreeGIS Project:
        --------------------------

The Free GIS project focusses on free GIS and mapping software.
It runs the leading web portal for the subject.
Map creation and analysis of spatial data is becoming a common application.
The project exclusivly promotes Free Software solutions which means
that unlimited use, modification and copying is allowed.

 http://freegis.org

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FreeGIS CD 1.1.0 for GNU/Linux (i386 or ppc) available for 25 Euro
from Intevation GmbH (shipping and VAT included):

	http://freegis.org/order.en.html

A collection of free software and data for geographic information processing
and mapping. It includes major applications (GRASS), development-libraries 
and data. A certain familiarity with GNU/Linux and GIS is prerequisitve. 
The CD-sales aid funding to the FreeGIS project.

  Highlights: * a complete hybrid Geographic Information System (GRASS)
	      * two internet mapping applications with ready to run demos
	      * additional mapping software (GMT)
              * global vector geo-data, scale ca. 1:1 Mio
		 political borders, coastlines, surface waters 
	      * global elevation geo-data: raster size ca. 1 km^2
              * software to handle gps data
              * libraries for the development of your own applications
              * CD documentation in English and German
              * RPM and SRPM packages 

V1.1.0 is a major improvement over the last release v1.0.4.
additional to the usual application updates a better world wide DEM 
data set is included. New packages, ready to run:

	MapIt!  web-application that lets you navigate raster-maps 
		through your web-browser and lets you zoom in and out and 
		select objects and object classes that are 
	        identified on the map. Written in python it is very flexible.

	GDAL    emerging translator library for raster geospatial data formats. 
		As a library, it presents a single abstract data model 
		to the calling application for all supported formats.

	GPSMan  graphical manager of GPS data for preparation, inspection 
		and edition of GPS data in a friendly environment. 
		Supports communication with both Garmin and Lowrance receivers 
		and real-time support for any receiver using NMEA-0183.


  Software: GRASS 5.0beta11cvs20010328, GRASS 4.3, GMT 3.3.6, iGMT 1.2, 
	    gmap 1.1.2, mapserver 3.3.011, MapIt! 1.0, 
	    gpsman 5.3.1, shapelib 1.2.8, tkgeomap 1.5.3, 
	    gen2shp 0.3.1, PROJ 4.4.2

  Data    : GMT (>=GSHHS), GLOBE (G.O.O.D.), U.S. Map Alaska.

Requirements: kernel >2.2.x, libc6 (glibc2.1), CPU >= i386 or ppc 

Tested GNU/Linux-Distributions: 
	RedHat 6.2 (i386), RedHat 7.1 (i386), Mandrake 7.1 (i386), 
	SuSE 6.4 (i386), Debian 'potato' 2.2r0 (i386), LinuxPPC 2000Q4 (ppc).

  If you speak German, you might be interested in the "GRASS Handbuch" 
  which you can order together with the FreeGIS CD. See our German pages:
     http://freegis.org/cd.de.html


	Changes FreeGIS-CD
	------------------

1.0.4 ? 1.1.0

    * All i586 packages are changed to i386 packages
    * GTOPO30 has been replaced by GLOBE (G.O.O.D.), 
      	  because GLOBE is of higher quality
    * MapIt! 1.0: new on the FreeGIS CD
    * GPSMan 1.5.3: new on the FreeGIS CD
    * gdal 1.1.4: new on the FreeGIS CD
    * GRASS: new version 5.0beta11cvs20010328 replaces 5.0beta8. 
          Meanwhile NVIZ is Free Software and thus included again. 
          Furthermore, GRASS was split into several packages.
    * GMT: new version 3.3.6 replaces 3.3.5
    * tkgeomap: new version 1.5.3 replaces 1.3
    * PROJ: new version 4.4.2 replaces 4.4.1
    * gen2shp: new version 0.3.1 replaces 0.3.0


Bernhard Reiter on behalf of the FreeGIS-CD-Editorial Board.
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From stefano.maffulli at milug.org  Fri Jun  8 21:35:52 2001
From: stefano.maffulli at milug.org (Stefano Maffulli)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 21:35:52 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] EC-GIS Workshop
Message-ID: <01060821355203.01880@plusultra.casanostra.it>

Dear FreeGisers

next week, starting from wednesday, 13th of June, in Potsdam (Germany) there 
will be  the 6th EC-GIS workshop of the European Commission 
(http://www.ec-gis.org). 
Every time I participate in such workshops I regret for not having seen any 
of the names that animate this list on the badges of the participants. This 
year I thought about it in advance and ask: is any of you going to 
participate to the workshop? 
I will try to burn some FreeGIS CDs before I leave to pass them around during 
the conferences. 
Hope to see you there,

regards
stefano

-- 
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http://www.zoomata.com a close-up on italy  | http://www.milug.org
To err is human...to really foul up requires the root password.



From bernhard at intevation.de  Sun Jun 10 14:15:46 2001
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 14:15:46 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] FreeGIS-CD 1.1.0 released
In-Reply-To: <20010608160622.D7728@intevation.de>; from bernhard@intevation.de on Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 04:06:22PM +0200
References: <20010608160622.D7728@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <20010610141546.C15206@intevation.de>

On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 04:06:22PM +0200, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
> 	FreeGIS-CD 1.1.0 for GNU/Linux-Systems released.

We have been featured on Slashdot!
	http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/09/156224.shtml

They have put the focus on the gps part.

| Bernhard Reiter writes: "The FreeGIS-CD's sixth edition (v1.1.0)
| adds geographic information processing capabilities to major
| GNU/Linux distributions. Hey a couple of centuries ago maps were
| only for the very powerful, now you have the data on your
| GNU-system." 
| 
| With hundreds of thousands if not millions of consumer
| GPS units in the U.S.  alone, adding hyper-local information (like
| individuals' landmarks) to freely available online databases of GIS
| information will keep making the world a bit smaller. And since most
| GPS units come with Windows- (and sometimes Mac-) only software,
| especially useful for those with Other Operating Systems. 

It is good to see more exposure of the FreeGIS-Project and its
community (you!). If somebody here feels like participating in the
slashdot discussion, they have raised some points. :)

Best,
	Bernhard

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From fnievinski at cpovo.net  Mon Jun 11 06:37:55 2001
From: fnievinski at cpovo.net (Felipe G. Nievinski)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 01:37:55 -0300
Subject: [Freegis-list] Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects
Message-ID: <200106110137550380.00C1782D@smtp.terra.com.br>

Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects
http://www.ai.sri.com/~reddy/home/source.html

Definitely, someone who would like to be here:
"I am at my happiest when I coding. I have worked on a number of software projects throughout my personal and professional career
and where possible I try to release these as Open Source for anyone to benefit from. That is, freely-available source code, normally under one of the OSI-branded software licenses such as GPL or Apache. Below is a selection of some of my Open Source projects."

So, the softwares:

DEM2GeoEG
http://www.ai.sri.com/~reddy/geovrml/dem2geoeg/
DEM2GeoEG is a program to convert US Geological Survey Digital Elevation Model (DEM) data into a VRML .wrl file that uses the GeoVRML 1.0 GeoElevationGrid. The code is written in C and supports numerous options for manipulating the output model.
(pls pay attention the source code doesn't have any indication of GPL or Apache license, just a 'public domain' status)

tsmApi
http://www.tsmapi.com/
The Tile Set Manager API is a freely-available set of tools for creating massive multi-resolution terrain models that can be browsed by the TerraVision terrain visualization system, as well as produce GeoVRML versions of these models. This library is maintained by a number of engineers at SRI and is released under the Apache license.

yet another coordinate transformation tool
GeoTransform
http://www.ai.sri.com/geotransform/
The source code is available, but it's subject to the GeoTransform License Agreement, which it not a free software license. :((

GeoVRML 1.0 Open Source Sample Implementation
http://www.geovrml.org/1.0/
Developers can obtain the full source code for the GeoVRML 1.0 nodes and associated run-time. These are supplied in the spirit of open source to foster exchange of knowledge and enable the community to further develop these capabilities.
Here we have a problem:
"N.B. Part of the GeoVRML implementation is based upon the GeoTransform Java package. This was derived from the SEDRIS Conversions API and as such comes under the SEDRIS License.  Essentially, the GeoTransform package is freely available and you can use it as a component of a product that you sell. However, you cannot sell the GeoTransform package itself, and all derivative works that you make on the package must be published openly under the terms of the original license."
"The rest of the GeoVRML source code is released under the Open Source Apache license."

cheers,
Felipe.




From paul at toolscenter.org  Mon Jun 11 07:34:55 2001
From: paul at toolscenter.org (Paul Selormey)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:34:55 +0900
Subject: [Freegis-list] Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects
References: <200106110137550380.00C1782D@smtp.terra.com.br>
Message-ID: <001e01c0f238$43406d40$700201c0@nsepaul>

Hello Martin,
Thanks for your contributions to the open source efforts. I have taken a lot
at your page and it is cool.
My browser, however, refused to enter the site

http://www.tsmapi.com/

is the url really correct?
I also wish to do a purely Win32 version of VRML viewer, where do I get
information
to start? Are there some libraries to use? Please help me and any
information, I completely
ignorant here.
BTW, what is the meaning of SRI? It seems to be a big and old orgnization,
but I could not
find the meaning on the homepage.

Best regards,
Paul.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Felipe G. Nievinski" <fnievinski at cpovo.net>
To: <Freegis-list at intevation.de>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 1:37 PM
Subject: [Freegis-list] Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects



Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects
http://www.ai.sri.com/~reddy/home/source.html

Definitely, someone who would like to be here:
"I am at my happiest when I coding. I have worked on a number of software
projects throughout my personal and professional career
and where possible I try to release these as Open Source for anyone to
benefit from. That is, freely-available source code, normally under one of
the OSI-branded software licenses such as GPL or Apache. Below is a
selection of some of my Open Source projects."

So, the softwares:

DEM2GeoEG
http://www.ai.sri.com/~reddy/geovrml/dem2geoeg/
DEM2GeoEG is a program to convert US Geological Survey Digital Elevation
Model (DEM) data into a VRML .wrl file that uses the GeoVRML 1.0
GeoElevationGrid. The code is written in C and supports numerous options for
manipulating the output model.
(pls pay attention the source code doesn't have any indication of GPL or
Apache license, just a 'public domain' status)

tsmApi
http://www.tsmapi.com/
The Tile Set Manager API is a freely-available set of tools for creating
massive multi-resolution terrain models that can be browsed by the
TerraVision terrain visualization system, as well as produce GeoVRML
versions of these models. This library is maintained by a number of
engineers at SRI and is released under the Apache license.

yet another coordinate transformation tool
GeoTransform
http://www.ai.sri.com/geotransform/
The source code is available, but it's subject to the GeoTransform License
Agreement, which it not a free software license. :((

GeoVRML 1.0 Open Source Sample Implementation
http://www.geovrml.org/1.0/
Developers can obtain the full source code for the GeoVRML 1.0 nodes and
associated run-time. These are supplied in the spirit of open source to
foster exchange of knowledge and enable the community to further develop
these capabilities.
Here we have a problem:
"N.B. Part of the GeoVRML implementation is based upon the GeoTransform Java
package. This was derived from the SEDRIS Conversions API and as such comes
under the SEDRIS License.  Essentially, the GeoTransform package is freely
available and you can use it as a component of a product that you sell.
However, you cannot sell the GeoTransform package itself, and all derivative
works that you make on the package must be published openly under the terms
of the original license."
"The rest of the GeoVRML source code is released under the Open Source
Apache license."

cheers,
Felipe.


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From jan at intevation.de  Mon Jun 11 10:31:25 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:31:25 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] new: PyGarmin
Message-ID: <20010611103125.B18436@intevation.de>

Hi all,

just added a GPS receiver library in Python: PyGarmin.

PyGarmin http://pygarmin.sourceforge.net/
       PyGarmin is a set of Python classes which implement
	   the protocol used by Garmin GPS
	   receivers to talk to each other and to other machines.
	   It is based on the official protocol specification. 
	   Version: 0.6
	   License: GPL

Cheers

	Jan

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From jan at intevation.de  Mon Jun 11 13:00:37 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:00:37 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Atlas amd TerrGear
Message-ID: <20010611130037.B19238@intevation.de>

Hi all,

two further entries I was pointed to:

Atlas http://atlas.sourceforge.net/
		Atlas aims to produce and display high quality
		charts of the world for users of FlightGear,
		an open source flight simulator.
		This is achieved through two main parts: The map
		creator and the Atlas viewer. The map creator can
		also be used as a stand alone program that produces
		beautiful bitmaps. The Atlas viewing application
		can be used for browsing your maps but can also
		connect directly to FlightGear and display your
		aircrafts current location on a moving map display. 
		Version: 0.1.0
		License: GPL 

TerraGear http://terragear.sourceforge.net/
		Converts a variety of geographic databases into
		triangle list scenery that is suitable for
		worldwide 3D viewing. The resulting database
		can be directly used by the Atlas package. 
		Version: 0.0.4
		License: GPL/LGPL

Cheers

	Jan

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Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/



From jan at intevation.de  Mon Jun 11 14:42:09 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:42:09 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects
In-Reply-To: <200106110137550380.00C1782D@smtp.terra.com.br>; from fnievinski@cpovo.net on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:37:55AM -0300
References: <200106110137550380.00C1782D@smtp.terra.com.br>
Message-ID: <20010611144209.A19632@intevation.de>

On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:37:55AM -0300, Felipe G. Nievinski wrote:
> DEM2GeoEG
> http://www.ai.sri.com/~reddy/geovrml/dem2geoeg/
> DEM2GeoEG is a program to convert US Geological Survey Digital Elevation Model (DEM) data into a VRML .wrl file that uses the GeoVRML 1.0 GeoElevationGrid. The code is written in C and supports numerous options for manipulating the output model.
> (pls pay attention the source code doesn't have any indication of GPL or Apache license, just a 'public domain' status)

I have added DEM2GeoEG as Public Domain to FreeGIS.

> tsmApi
> http://www.tsmapi.com/
> The Tile Set Manager API is a freely-available set of tools for creating massive multi-resolution terrain models that can be browsed by the TerraVision terrain visualization system, as well as produce GeoVRML versions of these models. This library is maintained by a number of engineers at SRI and is released under the Apache license.

I can't access the website.

> yet another coordinate transformation tool
> GeoTransform
> http://www.ai.sri.com/geotransform/
> The source code is available, but it's subject to the GeoTransform License Agreement, which it not a free software license. :((

This is indeed _no_ Free Software!

> GeoVRML 1.0 Open Source Sample Implementation
> http://www.geovrml.org/1.0/
> Developers can obtain the full source code for the GeoVRML 1.0 nodes and associated run-time. These are supplied in the spirit of open source to foster exchange of knowledge and enable the community to further develop these capabilities.
> Here we have a problem: 
> "N.B. Part of the GeoVRML implementation is based upon the GeoTransform Java package. This was derived from the SEDRIS Conversions API and as such comes under the SEDRIS License.  Essentially, the GeoTransform package is freely available and you can use it as a component of a product that you sell. However, you cannot sell the GeoTransform package itself, and all derivative works that you make on the package must be published openly under the terms of the original license."
> "The rest of the GeoVRML source code is released under the Open Source Apache license."

I have added GeoVRML to FreeGIS with the note that it depends on a
non-free software module. Perhaps we will find someone
who makes GeoVRML independent of GeoTransform.

With these two added, FreeGIS now has now reached exactly 100 entries!
Thanks to all who contribute to FreeGIS and of course to all who 
contribute to the actual software packages!

Jan

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Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/



From fnievinski at cpovo.net  Mon Jun 11 18:24:09 2001
From: fnievinski at cpovo.net (Felipe G. Nievinski)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:24:09 -0300
Subject: [Freegis-list] Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects
In-Reply-To: <001e01c0f238$43406d40$700201c0@nsepaul>
References: <200106110137550380.00C1782D@smtp.terra.com.br>
 <001e01c0f238$43406d40$700201c0@nsepaul>
Message-ID: <200106111324090290.0013AF73@smtp.terra.com.br>

Hey Paul, I'm not Martin! :)

I'm sorry I was not clear - I had just made a suggestion, his page looked great.
Maybe Jan-Oliver or Bernhard could invite him, I think he would like to be part of this group.

I can't connect to tsmapi.com too, but I thought it could be some local routing problem here, since I can't access a lot of sites in USA. I found an addrees which can be an alias to the site: http://www.ai.sri.com/tsmApi/ (it worked).

About SRI company, it's that company which proposed the .geo (dot-geo) domain name to ICANN last year, remember?
It is a very interesting architecture for data discovery.


cheers,
Felipe.

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 11/06/01 at 14:34 Paul Selormey wrote:

>Hello Martin,
>Thanks for your contributions to the open source efforts. I have taken a lot
>at your page and it is cool.
>My browser, however, refused to enter the site
>
>http://www.tsmapi.com/
>
>is the url really correct?
>I also wish to do a purely Win32 version of VRML viewer, where do I get
>information
>to start? Are there some libraries to use? Please help me and any
>information, I completely
>ignorant here.
>BTW, what is the meaning of SRI? It seems to be a big and old orgnization,
>but I could not
>find the meaning on the homepage.
>
>Best regards,
>Paul.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Felipe G. Nievinski" <fnievinski at cpovo.net>
>To: <Freegis-list at intevation.de>
>Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 1:37 PM
>Subject: [Freegis-list] Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects
>
>
>
>Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects
>http://www.ai.sri.com/~reddy/home/source.html
>
>Definitely, someone who would like to be here:
>"I am at my happiest when I coding. I have worked on a number of software
>projects throughout my personal and professional career
>and where possible I try to release these as Open Source for anyone to
>benefit from. That is, freely-available source code, normally under one of
>the OSI-branded software licenses such as GPL or Apache. Below is a
>selection of some of my Open Source projects."
>
>So, the softwares:
>
>DEM2GeoEG
>http://www.ai.sri.com/~reddy/geovrml/dem2geoeg/
>DEM2GeoEG is a program to convert US Geological Survey Digital Elevation
>Model (DEM) data into a VRML .wrl file that uses the GeoVRML 1.0
>GeoElevationGrid. The code is written in C and supports numerous options for
>manipulating the output model.
>(pls pay attention the source code doesn't have any indication of GPL or
>Apache license, just a 'public domain' status)
>
>tsmApi
>http://www.tsmapi.com/
>The Tile Set Manager API is a freely-available set of tools for creating
>massive multi-resolution terrain models that can be browsed by the
>TerraVision terrain visualization system, as well as produce GeoVRML
>versions of these models. This library is maintained by a number of
>engineers at SRI and is released under the Apache license.
>
>yet another coordinate transformation tool
>GeoTransform
>http://www.ai.sri.com/geotransform/
>The source code is available, but it's subject to the GeoTransform License
>Agreement, which it not a free software license. :((
>
>GeoVRML 1.0 Open Source Sample Implementation
>http://www.geovrml.org/1.0/
>Developers can obtain the full source code for the GeoVRML 1.0 nodes and
>associated run-time. These are supplied in the spirit of open source to
>foster exchange of knowledge and enable the community to further develop
>these capabilities.
>Here we have a problem:
>"N.B. Part of the GeoVRML implementation is based upon the GeoTransform Java
>package. This was derived from the SEDRIS Conversions API and as such comes
>under the SEDRIS License.  Essentially, the GeoTransform package is freely
>available and you can use it as a component of a product that you sell.
>However, you cannot sell the GeoTransform package itself, and all derivative
>works that you make on the package must be published openly under the terms
>of the original license."
>"The rest of the GeoVRML source code is released under the Open Source
>Apache license."
>
>cheers,
>Felipe.
>
>
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>Freegis-list at intevation.de
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>
>
>
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From fnievinski at cpovo.net  Mon Jun 11 19:27:29 2001
From: fnievinski at cpovo.net (Felipe G. Nievinski)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:27:29 -0300
Subject: [Freegis-list] Fwd: SpatialNews 06/11/01
References: <3B1FFC480001B865@alfa.cpovo.net> (added by alfa.cpovo.net)
Message-ID: <200106111427290200.004DAD22@smtp.terra.com.br>

Fwd: SpatialNews 06/11/01
http://spatialnews.geocomm.com/dailynews/2001/jun/11/news1.html

FreeGIS-CD 1.1.0 for GNU/Linux-Systems released

The FreeGIS-CD's sixth edition (v1.1.0) adds geographic information processing capabilities to major GNU/Linux distributions.
Osnabrück, Germany, 8th of June 2001 - Intevation GmbH, the leading Free Software Company in the area of geographic information systems published the sixth edition of its compiliation of Free Software and data for spatial data processing.

The now published FreeGIS-Cd was tested on major Linux based GNU-Systems, like RedHat, Mandrake, Suse and Debian and significantly lowers the entry barrier towards the world of GIS.

The FreeGIS-CD v1.1.0 can be ordered for 25 Euros through Intevation GmbH and ships out of Germany and North America: http://freegis.org/order.en.html


About the FreeGIS Project:

The Free GIS project focusses on free GIS and mapping software. It runs the leading web portal for the subject. Map creation and analysis of spatial data is becoming a common application. The project exclusivly promotes Free Software solutions which means that unlimited use, modification and copying is allowed.




From ahlenius at grida.no  Mon Jun 11 23:00:48 2001
From: ahlenius at grida.no (Hugo Ahlenius)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:00:48 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] free software vs. free services
Message-ID: <6E1AC8D701C7E74FA379CCCFB1996E60439E51@sandvigen.grida.no>

OK,

There are quite a lot of announcements on free software on this list, but
next to none on free services...

What things are there out there? I would be curious if there are
client/server implementations of for example GMT.

I guess there are OGC standards for this, but a simple CGI service that can
do coordinate transformation would be kind of cool!

Hugo,


-------------------------------------------------------------
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Project Officer                     Phone:      +47 3703 5713
UNEP GRID-Arendal                   Fax:        +47 3703 5050
P.O.Box 706, N-4808 Arendal         Home:       +47 3709 9697
Norway                              WWW:  http://www.grida.no
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From adoyle at intl-interfaces.com  Mon Jun 11 23:18:50 2001
From: adoyle at intl-interfaces.com (Allan Doyle)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:18:50 -0400
Subject: [Freegis-list] free software vs. free services
References: <6E1AC8D701C7E74FA379CCCFB1996E60439E51@sandvigen.grida.no>
Message-ID: <3B2535BA.C6045D46@intl-interfaces.com>

There are a number of organizations supplying free services, at least
when it comes to OGC WMS implementations. There are many that are
known to specific communities that are perhaps not ready to be pounded
on by the general public. However, there are some that have been quite
openly advertised. These would include

http://www2.demis.nl/mapserver/Mapper.asp
http://www.cubewerx.com/demo/cubeview/cubeview.cgi

In both cases, you can find the entry point to the WMS by doing a
"view image" on the map and looking at the resulting map URL.

You can also find some nifty embeddable tools at
http://ceonet.ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca/cs/en/index.html that let you add maps
and gazetteers to your web site.

	Allan

Hugo Ahlenius wrote:
> 
> OK,
> 
> There are quite a lot of announcements on free software on this list, but
> next to none on free services...
> 
> What things are there out there? I would be curious if there are
> client/server implementations of for example GMT.
> 
> I guess there are OGC standards for this, but a simple CGI service that can
> do coordinate transformation would be kind of cool!
> 
> Hugo,
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Hugo Ahlenius                       E-Mail:     hugo at grida.no
> Project Officer                     Phone:      +47 3703 5713
> UNEP GRID-Arendal                   Fax:        +47 3703 5050
> P.O.Box 706, N-4808 Arendal         Home:       +47 3709 9697
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> -------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From warmerdam at pobox.com  Tue Jun 12 00:28:30 2001
From: warmerdam at pobox.com (Frank Warmerdam)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:28:30 -0400
Subject: [Freegis-list] free software vs. free services
References: <6E1AC8D701C7E74FA379CCCFB1996E60439E51@sandvigen.grida.no>
Message-ID: <3B25460E.4050800@pobox.com>


Hugo Ahlenius wrote:

> OK,
> 
> There are quite a lot of announcements on free software on this list, but
> next to none on free services...
> 
> What things are there out there? I would be curious if there are
> client/server implementations of for example GMT.
> 
> I guess there are OGC standards for this, but a simple CGI service that can
> do coordinate transformation would be kind of cool!

Hugo, 

Do you think there would be significant interest in utilizing such 
services?  There is a high level definition of coordinate transform 
services being developed within OGC, and I have been kicking around
the idea of implementing it using my existing OGC CT API in C++ as a 
web service, and deploying it on Opengis.net.  However, it hasn't been
clear to me that it would be very useful.  

Do you think it would be?  Note the interface to it would be OGC compliant
definitions of coordinates systems. 

Best regards,

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From ahlenius at grida.no  Tue Jun 12 10:49:34 2001
From: ahlenius at grida.no (Hugo Ahlenius)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:49:34 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] free software vs. free services
Message-ID: <6E1AC8D701C7E74FA379CCCFB1996E6037B4A6@sandvigen.grida.no>

Great!

But more... is there some portal/index page of such things (or could this be
something for freegis.org... ?)



Cheers, Hugo


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 |  -----Original Message-----
 |  From: Allan Doyle [mailto:adoyle at intl-interfaces.com]
 |  Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 23:19
 |  To: Hugo Ahlenius
 |  Cc: freegis-list at intevation.de
 |  Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] free software vs. free services
 |  
 |  
 |  There are a number of organizations supplying free 
 |  services, at least
 |  when it comes to OGC WMS implementations. There are many that are
 |  known to specific communities that are perhaps not ready to 
 |  be pounded
 |  on by the general public. However, there are some that have 
 |  been quite
 |  openly advertised. These would include
 |  
 |  http://www2.demis.nl/mapserver/Mapper.asp
 |  http://www.cubewerx.com/demo/cubeview/cubeview.cgi
 |  
 |  In both cases, you can find the entry point to the WMS by doing a
 |  "view image" on the map and looking at the resulting map URL.
 |  
 |  You can also find some nifty embeddable tools at
 |  http://ceonet.ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca/cs/en/index.html that let 
 |  you add maps
 |  and gazetteers to your web site.
 |  
 |  	Allan
 |  
 |  Hugo Ahlenius wrote:
 |  > 
 |  > OK,
 |  > 
 |  > There are quite a lot of announcements on free software 
 |  on this list, but
 |  > next to none on free services...
 |  > 
 |  > What things are there out there? I would be curious if there are
 |  > client/server implementations of for example GMT.
 |  > 
 |  > I guess there are OGC standards for this, but a simple 
 |  CGI service that can
 |  > do coordinate transformation would be kind of cool!
 |  > 
 |  > Hugo,
 |  > 
 |  > -------------------------------------------------------------
 |  > Hugo Ahlenius                       E-Mail:     hugo at grida.no
 |  > Project Officer                     Phone:      +47 3703 5713
 |  > UNEP GRID-Arendal                   Fax:        +47 3703 5050
 |  > P.O.Box 706, N-4808 Arendal         Home:       +47 3709 9697
 |  > Norway                              WWW:  http://www.grida.no
 |  > -------------------------------------------------------------
 |  > 
 |  > 
 |  > 
 |  > 
 |  > _______________________________________________
 |  > Freegis-list mailing list
 |  > Freegis-list at intevation.de
 |  > http://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
 |  
 |  -- 
 |  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 |  Allan Doyle                     adoyle at intl-interfaces.com
 |  International Interfaces        +1 781 433 2695 (Office)
 |  http://www.intl-interfaces.com  +1 781 254 9484 (Mobile/Voicemail)
 |  



From bernhard at intevation.de  Tue Jun 12 10:54:01 2001
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:54:01 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] free software vs. free services
In-Reply-To: <6E1AC8D701C7E74FA379CCCFB1996E60439E51@sandvigen.grida.no>; from ahlenius@grida.no on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 11:00:48PM +0200
References: <6E1AC8D701C7E74FA379CCCFB1996E60439E51@sandvigen.grida.no>
Message-ID: <20010612105401.C3694@intevation.de>

Hugo,



On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 11:00:48PM +0200, Hugo Ahlenius wrote:
> There are quite a lot of announcements on free software on this list, but
> next to none on free services...

You realise that "free" means two completly different things here.
Free Software relates to freedom and has requirements that the
software can used umlimited or any purpose, modified and copied.

	http://www.fsfeurope.org/documents/freesoftware.html

"Free Services" means service for which there is no charge
for the end-user. (Note that there is never gone be a service which
does not create some costs for at least one party.)
We might consider to call it "gratis service" or "demonstration sites"
on this list as to avoid the confusion.

	Bernhard

> What things are there out there? I would be curious if there are
> client/server implementations of for example GMT.

There was once a site using GMT IIRC, but I do not find the URL quickly.


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From bernhard at intevation.de  Tue Jun 12 11:08:20 2001
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:08:20 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] free software vs. free services
In-Reply-To: <6E1AC8D701C7E74FA379CCCFB1996E6037B4A6@sandvigen.grida.no>; from ahlenius@grida.no on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:49:34AM +0200
References: <6E1AC8D701C7E74FA379CCCFB1996E6037B4A6@sandvigen.grida.no>
Message-ID: <20010612110820.E3694@intevation.de>

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:49:34AM +0200, Hugo Ahlenius wrote:
> But more... is there some portal/index page of such things 

I don't know, but I assume that there is.
(Before posting them all here, read the following. :) )

> (or could this be something for freegis.org... ?)

We do not want to promote sites which basically want to
drag you into a proprietary product buying situation.
Listing these sites, even if they offer gratis demo services 
will be an advertisment for them and their proprietary business model
and does not fit into Free Software philosphy.

We could list sites doing service with free software and free data!

	Bernhard

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From pedro at inovagis.org  Tue Jun 12 11:15:08 2001
From: pedro at inovagis.org (Pedro Pereira Goncalves)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:15:08 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] free software vs. free services
In-Reply-To: <6E1AC8D701C7E74FA379CCCFB1996E60439E51@sandvigen.grida.no>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010612101148.00b14860@mail.inovagis.org>

At 11:00 PM 6/11/01 +0200, Hugo Ahlenius wrote:
>I guess there are OGC standards for this, but a simple CGI service that can
>do coordinate transformation would be kind of cool!

Check out the test application for coordinate transformation at
http://inovagis.dcea.fct.unl.pt/giserver/functions.geoconvert.asp

it enables you to do a simple request like
http://inovagis.dcea.fct.unl.pt/giserver/geoconvert.asp?RefIn=EPSG:32629&RefOut=EPSG:4326&points=72000+0+73000+1000+74000+2000+75000+3000&output=GML20

check it out and please report any problem, bug or comment



Pedro
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Pedro Pereira Goncalves
inovaGIS Project - http://www.inovagis.org/




From adoyle at intl-interfaces.com  Tue Jun 12 14:10:26 2001
From: adoyle at intl-interfaces.com (Allan Doyle)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Freegis-list] free software vs. free services
References: <6E1AC8D701C7E74FA379CCCFB1996E6037B4A6@sandvigen.grida.no>
Message-ID: <3B2606B2.7D7F5F2B@intl-interfaces.com>

Hugo,

There are portal/index pages already. I have one but it's for a
community I'm working in. If you can find it, you can have the info :)
(Just respect that the service providers are probably not willing to
be deluged with requests). The issue really is that this area is still
quite new and providers of the service may be reluctant to advertise
something that as Bernhard points out is 'gratis' but costs money to
provide. I can tell one good story about this. One of the WMS vendors
has a really great gratis WMS service running. They noticed a lot of
hits from a specific location, recognized the location and told the
people there that they would be happy to sell them a WMS installation.
The other side bought an implementation and now both parties are
happy. (And the second party is running a gratis service now, too).

Of course, there are ways to shut down the gratis part, and these are
under investigation by providers (e.g. PKI), but I think there will
probably always be places that use gratis services as a means to bring
in traffic.

Getting back to your original question - yes, FreeGIS.org could set up
a list, why not? 

	Allan

By the way, the word free is just so much easier to use than gratis
for a native English speaker, I think you're going to fight an
unwinnable battle, Bernhard!

Hugo Ahlenius wrote:
> 
> Great!
> 
> But more... is there some portal/index page of such things (or could this be
> something for freegis.org... ?)
> 
> Cheers, Hugo
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Hugo Ahlenius                       E-Mail:     hugo at grida.no
> Project Officer                     Phone:      +47 3703 5713
> UNEP GRID-Arendal                   Fax:        +47 3703 5050
> Service box 706, N-4808 Arendal     Mobile:     +47 9964 7071
> Norway                              WWW:  http://www.grida.no
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>  |  -----Original Message-----
>  |  From: Allan Doyle [mailto:adoyle at intl-interfaces.com]
>  |  Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 23:19
>  |  To: Hugo Ahlenius
>  |  Cc: freegis-list at intevation.de
>  |  Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] free software vs. free services
>  |
>  |
>  |  There are a number of organizations supplying free
>  |  services, at least
>  |  when it comes to OGC WMS implementations. There are many that are
>  |  known to specific communities that are perhaps not ready to
>  |  be pounded
>  |  on by the general public. However, there are some that have
>  |  been quite
>  |  openly advertised. These would include
>  |
>  |  http://www2.demis.nl/mapserver/Mapper.asp
>  |  http://www.cubewerx.com/demo/cubeview/cubeview.cgi
>  |
>  |  In both cases, you can find the entry point to the WMS by doing a
>  |  "view image" on the map and looking at the resulting map URL.
>  |
>  |  You can also find some nifty embeddable tools at
>  |  http://ceonet.ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca/cs/en/index.html that let
>  |  you add maps
>  |  and gazetteers to your web site.
>  |
>  |      Allan
>  |
>  |  Hugo Ahlenius wrote:
>  |  >
>  |  > OK,
>  |  >
>  |  > There are quite a lot of announcements on free software
>  |  on this list, but
>  |  > next to none on free services...
>  |  >
>  |  > What things are there out there? I would be curious if there are
>  |  > client/server implementations of for example GMT.
>  |  >
>  |  > I guess there are OGC standards for this, but a simple
>  |  CGI service that can
>  |  > do coordinate transformation would be kind of cool!
>  |  >
>  |  > Hugo,
>  |  >
>  |  > -------------------------------------------------------------
>  |  > Hugo Ahlenius                       E-Mail:     hugo at grida.no
>  |  > Project Officer                     Phone:      +47 3703 5713
>  |  > UNEP GRID-Arendal                   Fax:        +47 3703 5050
>  |  > P.O.Box 706, N-4808 Arendal         Home:       +47 3709 9697
>  |  > Norway                              WWW:  http://www.grida.no
>  |  > -------------------------------------------------------------
>  |  >
>  |  >
>  |  >
>  |  >
>  |  > _______________________________________________
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>  |  > http://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list
>  |
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>  |  International Interfaces        +1 781 433 2695 (Office)
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>  |
> 
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From bernhard at intevation.de  Tue Jun 12 15:38:13 2001
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:38:13 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] free software vs. free services
In-Reply-To: <3B2606B2.7D7F5F2B@intl-interfaces.com>; from adoyle@intl-interfaces.com on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:10:26AM -0400
References: <6E1AC8D701C7E74FA379CCCFB1996E6037B4A6@sandvigen.grida.no> <3B2606B2.7D7F5F2B@intl-interfaces.com>
Message-ID: <20010612153813.D5109@intevation.de>

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:10:26AM -0400, Allan Doyle wrote:

> Getting back to your original question - yes, FreeGIS.org could set up
> a list, why not? 

Depends on the service. Like I said some only have it as an offer to
sell proprietary products.

> By the way, the word free is just so much easier to use than gratis
> for a native English speaker, I think you're going to fight an
> unwinnable battle, Bernhard!

Fighting confusion always is unwinnable, but as I scientist by heart
I have commited to fight this battle all of my life. :)
More seriously I know that this is a problem. However there is
no better word for "free software" and this is the main topic of
this list. If we talk about something else regarding services we
have to be careful to choose the words for this list or make sure
that everybody understands. There are several possibilities to 
solve this problem, though. I am open to suggestions.

	Bernhard
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From jan at intevation.de  Tue Jun 12 16:42:57 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:42:57 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects
In-Reply-To: <200106111324090290.0013AF73@smtp.terra.com.br>; from fnievinski@cpovo.net on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:24:09PM -0300
References: <200106110137550380.00C1782D@smtp.terra.com.br> <001e01c0f238$43406d40$700201c0@nsepaul> <200106111324090290.0013AF73@smtp.terra.com.br>
Message-ID: <20010612164257.B5996@intevation.de>

On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:24:09PM -0300, Felipe G. Nievinski wrote:
> I'm sorry I was not clear - I had just made a suggestion, his page looked great.
> Maybe Jan-Oliver or Bernhard could invite him, I think he would like to be part of this group.

I have informed Martin about adding his tools to FreeGIS.
I also invited him to this list.

> I can't connect to tsmapi.com too, but I thought it could be some local routing problem here, since I can't access a lot of sites in USA. I found an addrees which can be an alias to the site: http://www.ai.sri.com/tsmApi/ (it worked).

I have added tsmApi to FreeGIS with the latter URL.

Jan

-- 
Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/

Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/



From reddy at AI.SRI.COM  Wed Jun 13 02:12:55 2001
From: reddy at AI.SRI.COM (Martin Reddy)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:12:55 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects
In-Reply-To: <20010612164257.B5996@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.32.0106121643390.56963-100000@Lomond.AI.SRI.COM>

Hi guys,

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jan-Oliver Wagner wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:24:09PM -0300, Felipe G. Nievinski wrote:
> > I'm sorry I was not clear - I had just made a suggestion, his page
> > looked great. Maybe Jan-Oliver or Bernhard could invite him, I think he
> > would like to be part of this group.
>
> I have informed Martin about adding his tools to FreeGIS.
> I also invited him to this list.

Thanks for adding our code to the freegis.org site - this is really great. I
will follow up to the GeoVRML mailing list and point those people over here.
This might encourage a few people to talk who didn't know about each other
before.

> > I can't connect to tsmapi.com too, but I thought it could be some local
> > routing problem here, since I can't access a lot of sites in USA. I found
> > an addrees which can be an alias to the site:
> > http://www.ai.sri.com/tsmApi/ (it worked).
>
> I have added tsmApi to FreeGIS with the latter URL.

Our server was down a couple of times over the weekend so this may be the
cause of your connection problems. Certainly, www.tsmapi.com is up at the
moment and this is the preferred name of the site. This code is of course all
Open Sourced under the Apache license, with builds for various platforms
available.

On the GeoTransform front, it is listed as non-free. I don't think that this
is strictly true. Certainly, we would like to have this code released under
something like the Apache license and just be done. However, as the code is
based upon algorithms used by SEDRIS, we are tied to their license. The
SEDRIS guys believe that their license is essentially open, the only
restriction is that you cannot turn around and sell it for profit. I
therefore think that a more correct description would be "free for non-
commercial purposes". A better long-term option would be to put more pressure
on the SEDRIS guys to let us change the license to Apache (or some such).

Cheers,

Martin.


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Martin Reddy                                   SRI International, AI Center
                                               Menlo Park, CA 94025-3493
reddy at ai.sri.com                               Tel : (650) 859-6468
http://www.ai.sri.com/~reddy                   Fax : (650) 859-3735




From fnievinski at cpovo.net  Wed Jun 13 05:27:01 2001
From: fnievinski at cpovo.net (Felipe G. Nievinski)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:27:01 -0300
Subject: [Freegis-list] free software vs. free services
In-Reply-To: <20010612153813.D5109@intevation.de>
References: <6E1AC8D701C7E74FA379CCCFB1996E6037B4A6@sandvigen.grida.no>
 <3B2606B2.7D7F5F2B@intl-interfaces.com>
 <20010612153813.D5109@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <200106130027010510.00B239FE@smtp.terra.com.br>

On 12/06/01 at 15:38 Bernhard Reiter wrote:

>On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:10:26AM -0400, Allan Doyle wrote:
>
(...)
>> By the way, the word free is just so much easier to use than gratis
>> for a native English speaker, I think you're going to fight an
>> unwinnable battle, Bernhard!
>
>Fighting confusion always is unwinnable, but as I scientist by heart
>I have commited to fight this battle all of my life. :)
>More seriously I know that this is a problem. However there is
>no better word for "free software" and this is the main topic of
>this list. If we talk about something else regarding services we
>have to be careful to choose the words for this list or make sure
>that everybody understands. There are several possibilities to
>solve this problem, though. I am open to suggestions.
>
>	Bernhard
>
It's worth keepping an eye on the next generation of the GNU General Public License (v3). Timothy Ney, from FSF, said in a speech given 15 days ago they are studying how to cover the Application Service Providers (ASP) in GPL 3.
It seems logical to cover the software of ASP, but IMHO it just makes no sense to extend it to the service itself (or, "what a free (as in freedom) service would be?")

my R$0.02
Felipe.




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From: volker.loehr at gmx.de (Volker =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L=F6hr?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:25:14 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Freegis-list] (no subject)
Message-ID: <18774.992413514@www41.gmx.net>

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From jan at intevation.de  Wed Jun 13 16:50:01 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:50:01 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] free software vs. free services
In-Reply-To: <20010612153813.D5109@intevation.de>; from bernhard@intevation.de on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 03:38:13PM +0200
References: <6E1AC8D701C7E74FA379CCCFB1996E6037B4A6@sandvigen.grida.no> <3B2606B2.7D7F5F2B@intl-interfaces.com> <20010612153813.D5109@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <20010613165001.B11886@intevation.de>

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 03:38:13PM +0200, Bernhard Reiter wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:10:26AM -0400, Allan Doyle wrote:
> 
> > Getting back to your original question - yes, FreeGIS.org could set up
> > a list, why not? 
> 
> Depends on the service. Like I said some only have it as an offer to
> sell proprietary products.

such a list would be useful though (of course weighing offers
with regard to the user-friendlyness and objectivity).

IMHO, FreeGIS should concentrate on a small range of aims and
realize them as good as possible. Adding more features
would lower our effectivity for the central aims.

If anyone is willing to set up and maintain a site dedicated
to list all GI services (for free) on the web: I would be
happy to link that site.

Jan

-- 
Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/

Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/



From jan at intevation.de  Wed Jun 13 17:26:48 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:26:48 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SGI.4.32.0106121643390.56963-100000@Lomond.AI.SRI.COM>; from reddy@AI.SRI.COM on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 05:12:55PM -0700
References: <20010612164257.B5996@intevation.de> <Pine.SGI.4.32.0106121643390.56963-100000@Lomond.AI.SRI.COM>
Message-ID: <20010613172648.C12120@intevation.de>

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 05:12:55PM -0700, Martin Reddy wrote:
> Thanks for adding our code to the freegis.org site - this is really great. I
> will follow up to the GeoVRML mailing list and point those people over here.
> This might encourage a few people to talk who didn't know about each other
> before.

thats the idea :-)

> > >dd I can't connect to tsmapi.com too, but I thought it could be some local
> > > routing problem here, since I can't access a lot of sites in USA. I found
> > > an addrees which can be an alias to the site:
> > > http://www.ai.sri.com/tsmApi/ (it worked).
> >
> > I have added tsmApi to FreeGIS with the latter URL.
> 
> Our server was down a couple of times over the weekend so this may be the
> cause of your connection problems. Certainly, www.tsmapi.com is up at the
> moment and this is the preferred name of the site.

I have changed the URL accordingly.

> On the GeoTransform front, it is listed as non-free. I don't think that this
> is strictly true.

As you are new to FreeGIS I should mention that we use the term
free software strictky in the way FSF, FSFE use them.

> Certainly, we would like to have this code released under
> something like the Apache license and just be done. However, as the code is
> based upon algorithms used by SEDRIS, we are tied to their license. The
> SEDRIS guys believe that their license is essentially open, the only
> restriction is that you cannot turn around and sell it for profit.

that is again one example where you can see that 'open source', though
the term was invented with essentially the same definition as for
free software, it is often misinterpreted as somthing like 'you can see
the code and to some degree use it'.

> I therefore think that a more correct description would be "free for non-
> commercial purposes".

I am too strictly focused on freedom to use this term ;-)

> A better long-term option would be to put more pressure
> on the SEDRIS guys to let us change the license to Apache (or some such).

very good idea! Do they really expect that other companies make money
with the unmodified code? 
Anyone out there volunteering to contact SEDRIS about this issue?

Another long-term option would be to implement a free replacement.
That would mean a lot work. We should first try the option above.

Jan

-- 
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Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/



From Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca  Wed Jun 13 18:00:52 2001
From: Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca (Matt.Wilkie)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:00:52 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] free software vs. free services
Message-ID: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530A989456@raptor.gov.yk.ca>

> By the way, the word free is just so much easier to use than gratis
> for a native English speaker, I think you're going to fight an
> unwinnable battle, Bernhard!

Oh, I don't know about unwinnable. It wasn't that long ago that 
I didn't make any distinction between the gratis and libre 
meanings of free software. Now the distinction is very important
to me.

Long, slow, tedious, interminable are all applicable terms though. 
:) 


-matt

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http://renres.gov.yk.ca/pubs/rrgis/
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From reddy at AI.SRI.COM  Wed Jun 13 19:03:16 2001
From: reddy at AI.SRI.COM (Martin Reddy)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:03:16 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects
In-Reply-To: <20010613172648.C12120@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.32.0106130957500.65272-100000@Lomond.AI.SRI.COM>

> As you are new to FreeGIS I should mention that we use the term
> free software strictky in the way FSF, FSFE use them.

Yeah, I just read up on the web page and realised that this is the case.
In which case, I understand and agree with your wording of "non free".

> > Certainly, we would like to have this code released under
> > something like the Apache license and just be done. However, as the code is
> > based upon algorithms used by SEDRIS, we are tied to their license. The
> > SEDRIS guys believe that their license is essentially open, the only
> > restriction is that you cannot turn around and sell it for profit.
>
> that is again one example where you can see that 'open source', though
> the term was invented with essentially the same definition as for
> free software, it is often misinterpreted as somthing like 'you can see
> the code and to some degree use it'.
>
> > I therefore think that a more correct description would be "free for non-
> > commercial purposes".
>
> I am too strictly focused on freedom to use this term ;-)
>
> > A better long-term option would be to put more pressure
> > on the SEDRIS guys to let us change the license to Apache (or some such).
>
> very good idea! Do they really expect that other companies make money
> with the unmodified code?
> Anyone out there volunteering to contact SEDRIS about this issue?

I think that this would be a good idea. We at SRI have tried this a couple
times, but I don't think they felt our suggestion was warranted. If there
were more community pressure, then they might bend. If someone from this
community would like to engage them in supporting an OSI license for the
GeoTransform package, and in particular pointing out that their license is
not Open Source and the problems that entails, then I can pass on contact
details of the person to talk to.

Cheers,

Martin.


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                                               Menlo Park, CA 94025-3493
reddy at ai.sri.com                               Tel : (650) 859-6468
http://www.ai.sri.com/~reddy                   Fax : (650) 859-3735




From acuster at nature.berkeley.edu  Wed Jun 13 21:23:35 2001
From: acuster at nature.berkeley.edu (Adrian Custer)
Date: 13 Jun 2001 12:23:35 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] GPS loggers under linux
Message-ID: <992460215.1155.1.camel@tsetse.lab-net>

Hey everyone,
I've just been investigating the current state of the GPS world.
Specifically I'm interested in the ability to go out and do a site
survey. This means I need to define a data dictionary, be able to log
positions and attribute data and hopefully differentially correct the
data upon return. I thought some of you would be interested.


The reference system is a Trimble setup:
Logger:          GPS:              Software:           Cost(guess):
ProXL            Pathfinder        POffice              5000+

A new Trimble setup:
Palm Pilot/IPaq   Pathfinder Pocket   POffice            ????


There seem to be some other similar setups of Proprietary hardware with
proprietary software, not terribly interesting to this list. :-)

Recently there have been some 




From gordon.keith at marine.csiro.au  Thu Jun 14 05:02:28 2001
From: gordon.keith at marine.csiro.au (Gordon Keith)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:02:28 +1000
Subject: [Freegis-list] Software to handle georeferenced video
Message-ID: <01061413022806.04021@ryan-lap-hf>

I'm looking for software to allow viewing georeferenced video clips in 
a context of other georeferenced (ie GIS) data.

Has anyone got any pointers?

The context is pulling together remote sense and ground truth data for 
middle depth ocean work (50m-1500m depth). We have a towed video camera 
system that records video just above the bottom. The system includes 
one second georeferencing of the camera.

We need to compare the video with other data, such as acoustic 
(echosounder) data, for the same location.

I suspect there's not much out there and I'm thinking I'll have to 
develop something myself, probably using Java's JMF. 

I'd appreciate any pointers to anything useful.

I'm not subscribed to freegis-list, so copies to me would be 
appreciated.

Regards
Gordon


Gordon Keith
Programmer/Data Analyst
Marine Acoustics
CSIRO Marine Research 
http://www.marine.csiro.au



From jan at intevation.de  Thu Jun 14 09:44:26 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:44:26 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SGI.4.32.0106130957500.65272-100000@Lomond.AI.SRI.COM>; from reddy@AI.SRI.COM on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 10:03:16AM -0700
References: <20010613172648.C12120@intevation.de> <Pine.SGI.4.32.0106130957500.65272-100000@Lomond.AI.SRI.COM>
Message-ID: <20010614094426.A15358@intevation.de>

On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 10:03:16AM -0700, Martin Reddy wrote:
> I think that this would be a good idea. We at SRI have tried this a couple
> times, but I don't think they felt our suggestion was warranted. If there
> were more community pressure, then they might bend. If someone from this
> community would like to engage them in supporting an OSI license for the
> GeoTransform package, and in particular pointing out that their license is
> not Open Source and the problems that entails, then I can pass on contact
> details of the person to talk to.

OK, so I'll try it. Please send me the contact address directly
(for privacy reason).

Others may want to add pressure(=winning arguments) as well ... ?

Jan

-- 
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Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/



From s3070416 at student.anu.edu.au  Thu Jun 14 12:49:12 2001
From: s3070416 at student.anu.edu.au (Brett Matson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:49:12 +1000
Subject: [Freegis-list] The Cooperative GIS Project web site
In-Reply-To: <20010613161937.A11738@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <EEEKLKMCJMFAHGFGCKNDMEOJCAAA.s3070416@student.anu.edu.au>

Hi Jan-Oliver and list,

Thanks for adding the site to the list - no worries about the 
lateness, I fully understand being busy :)

The last couple of months I have spent madly writing my thesis 
and trying to develop software as much as possible. The deadline
is in two weeks so I have to complete something to show by then.
Our Uni gives us about four months to research, design, build, 
write a 50 page thesis along with other deliverables (and I work
three days a week full time), so things have been a bit busy lately. 
Once the academic side of things is over with, I'll be able to
concentrate on actually trying to achieve something in a 
sensible way (after having a small break and getting to know my
wife again :)). With all the writing and developing there 
unfortunately hasn't been much time to update the Web site.

The software I have developed so far is a simple Java client 
(partially finished) and Java server (finished, but could do with 
some extra features) that can manage user profiles, GPS device 
details (for accuracy information), creating new layers and 
uploading GPS data and storing it in ESRI shapefiles (using OpenMap 
classes) along with attribute data in a PostgreSQL database. I'll 
then hook this up with the OpenMap GIS demo that is currently 
running on the Web-Site to demonstrate adding data to the map 
directly from the GPS.

Everything is pretty simplified at the moment. I received lots of good
advice and support from people on the list but have been forced to 
put some of it aside in the implementation for now just so that I 
can get something done in time. I'll hopefully update the Web Site 
with designs and source code and maybe a demo in the next few weeks.

Cheers 

Brett




-----Original Message-----
From: Jan-Oliver Wagner [mailto:jan at intevation.de]
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2001 12:20 AM
To: Brett Matson
Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] The Cooperative GIS Project web site


Hi Brett,

On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 04:33:07PM +1000, Brett Matson wrote:
> Just a quick note to let you know that the Cooperative GIS Project
> web site is now up at http://gis.anu.edu.au. There's information
> on some of the discussions that have taken place so far, and also
> a message board for future discussions. Please come by and leave 
> a message on the board if you have any questions, comments, ideas
> or even just words of encouragement.

I am sorry that I add your project so late to the FreeGIS activties
page. I am sort of overloaded with work (among this lots of
communication with german authorities to release their
GI as free data :-).

How is your project going? The website hasn't changed much...

Jan

-- 
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Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/




From dmccoy at cityofsacramento.org  Thu Jun 14 18:35:13 2001
From: dmccoy at cityofsacramento.org (Dan McCoy)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:35:13 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] Asset Management / Work Order System for Utilities
Message-ID: <sb28855a.050@mail.cityofsacramento.org>

Greetings.

Does anyone know if there is a GIS-based Free or Opensource Asset Management and Work Order System that would be suitable for water and wastewater utilities similar to Hansen's or RJN's?  Or if there would be anyone interested in developing such a thing?  The closest thing that I could find was an Enterprise Resource Planning System ( http://opensourceerp.org/default.htm ).

Thanks,



Dan McCoy
GIS Specialist
City of Sacramento
(916) 264-1914
dmccoy at cityofsacramento.org




From reddy at AI.SRI.COM  Thu Jun 14 19:32:51 2001
From: reddy at AI.SRI.COM (Martin Reddy)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:32:51 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] Martin Reddy's Open Source Projects
In-Reply-To: <20010614094426.A15358@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.32.0106141032420.12899-100000@Lomond.AI.SRI.COM>

Will do....

Martin.


On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Jan-Oliver Wagner wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 10:03:16AM -0700, Martin Reddy wrote:
> > I think that this would be a good idea. We at SRI have tried this a couple
> > times, but I don't think they felt our suggestion was warranted. If there
> > were more community pressure, then they might bend. If someone from this
> > community would like to engage them in supporting an OSI license for the
> > GeoTransform package, and in particular pointing out that their license is
> > not Open Source and the problems that entails, then I can pass on contact
> > details of the person to talk to.
>
> OK, so I'll try it. Please send me the contact address directly
> (for privacy reason).
>
> Others may want to add pressure(=winning arguments) as well ... ?
>
> Jan
>
> --
> Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/
>
> Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
> FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/
>
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From bh at intevation.de  Fri Jun 15 17:48:20 2001
From: bh at intevation.de (Bernhard Herzog)
Date: 15 Jun 2001 17:48:20 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] pyshapelib 0.2
Message-ID: <6qn1793fsr.fsf@abnoba.intevation.de>

I've released a new and slightly updated version of my shapelib bindings
for Python. They're available as

ftp://intevation.de/users/bh/pyshapelib-0.2.tar.gz

Changes:
 * new module level functions type_name and part_type_list
   (corresponding to SHPTypeName and SHPPartTypeName)

 * The vertices() method of shape objects works for shape type
   SHPT_POINT, too.


 Bernhard

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Sketch                                 http://sketch.sourceforge.net/
MapIt!                                               http://mapit.de/



From s3070416 at student.anu.edu.au  Sat Jun 16 00:29:39 2001
From: s3070416 at student.anu.edu.au (Brett Matson)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:29:39 +1000
Subject: FW: [Freegis-list] The Cooperative GIS Project web site
Message-ID: <HGEPIJACEKEJKAFFOKOOEEGACBAA.s3070416@student.anu.edu.au>

The Cooperative GIS Project Web site's at http://gis.anu.edu.au. 

I'll try to update it as soon as I can.

(Sorry Denny, I meant to send that to everyone.)

Brett

-----Original Message-----
From: Denny [mailto:ddaniels at magic.fr]
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2001 10:54 PM
To: Brett Matson
Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] The Cooperative GIS Project web site


What's your link? Can we see what you've been up?

Cheers
Denny

Brett Matson wrote:
> 
> Hi Jan-Oliver and list,
> 
> Thanks for adding the site to the list - no worries about the
> lateness, I fully understand being busy :)
> 
> The last couple of months I have spent madly writing my thesis
> and trying to develop software as much as possible. The deadline
> is in two weeks so I have to complete something to show by then.
> Our Uni gives us about four months to research, design, build,
> write a 50 page thesis along with other deliverables (and I work
> three days a week full time), so things have been a bit busy lately.
> Once the academic side of things is over with, I'll be able to
> concentrate on actually trying to achieve something in a
> sensible way (after having a small break and getting to know my
> wife again :)). With all the writing and developing there
> unfortunately hasn't been much time to update the Web site.
> 
> The software I have developed so far is a simple Java client
> (partially finished) and Java server (finished, but could do with
> some extra features) that can manage user profiles, GPS device
> details (for accuracy information), creating new layers and
> uploading GPS data and storing it in ESRI shapefiles (using OpenMap
> classes) along with attribute data in a PostgreSQL database. I'll
> then hook this up with the OpenMap GIS demo that is currently
> running on the Web-Site to demonstrate adding data to the map
> directly from the GPS.
> 
> Everything is pretty simplified at the moment. I received lots of good
> advice and support from people on the list but have been forced to
> put some of it aside in the implementation for now just so that I
> can get something done in time. I'll hopefully update the Web Site
> with designs and source code and maybe a demo in the next few weeks.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brett
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jan-Oliver Wagner [mailto:jan at intevation.de]
> Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2001 12:20 AM
> To: Brett Matson
> Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] The Cooperative GIS Project web site
> 
> Hi Brett,
> 
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 04:33:07PM +1000, Brett Matson wrote:
> > Just a quick note to let you know that the Cooperative GIS Project
> > web site is now up at http://gis.anu.edu.au. There's information
> > on some of the discussions that have taken place so far, and also
> > a message board for future discussions. Please come by and leave
> > a message on the board if you have any questions, comments, ideas
> > or even just words of encouragement.
> 
> I am sorry that I add your project so late to the FreeGIS activties
> page. I am sort of overloaded with work (among this lots of
> communication with german authorities to release their
> GI as free data :-).
> 
> How is your project going? The website hasn't changed much...
> 
> Jan
> 
> --
> Jan-Oliver Wagner               http://intevation.de/~jan/
> 
> Intevation GmbH                      http://intevation.de/
> FreeGIS                                http://freegis.org/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Freegis-list mailing list
> Freegis-list at intevation.de
> http://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list




From gaz at tkgeomap.org  Sun Jun 17 00:15:01 2001
From: gaz at tkgeomap.org (Gordon)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:15:01 -0500
Subject: [Freegis-list] Tkgeomap 1.6 posted
Message-ID: <3B2BDA65.DCCE505@tkgeomap.org>

Hi folks,

I just posted version 1.6 of Tkgeomap, at set of extensions to the
Tcl/Tk scripting language for manipulating and displaying geographic
data.  Source code and documentation are at http://www.tkgeomap.org.
Summary of version 1.6 features is at
http://www.tkgeomap.org/tkgm/changes.html.

I await your feedback,

Gordon







From bernhard at intevation.de  Mon Jun 18 10:28:38 2001
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:28:38 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] gpstrans 0.39
Message-ID: <20010618102838.A32209@intevation.de>

Updated the gpstrans entry.
The project is hosted at sourceforge now the descriptions read as
it is getting useful for broader tasks.
New version number: 0.39

	Bernhard

Announced changes:

| Altitude support for etrex waypoint download has been added. There
| are man page corrections and changes. The default model has been
| changed to n to avoid mysterious failures after upgrades. The deb
| dir has been removed.  The source code is now indented (GNU style).
| Waypoints now work with GPSII+.  Calculation of UTM zone and
| conversion from UTM to lat-lon have been fixed.  The comments for
| waypoints are now left justified in the file (the upload code sent
| the comment with all the extra spaces right justified) added.  There
| is also some code cleanup (warnings from gps/dms.c and grid/kkj.c
| (the kkj.c fix may not really be correct)).



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From bh at intevation.de  Mon Jun 18 16:05:49 2001
From: bh at intevation.de (Bernhard Herzog)
Date: 18 Jun 2001 16:05:49 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Sketch plugin GeoObject 1.0
Message-ID: <6qr8whyjb6.fsf@abnoba.intevation.de>

Hi all,

As part of my work at Intevation, I've written a plugin for my vector
drawing program Sketch <http://sketch.sourceforge.net/> that lets you
import shapefiles into a drawing. This plugin effectively turns Sketch
into a simple shapefile viewer.

More information about GeoObject, including download links and a
screenshot of a map created with it is available at the Add-On page:
http://sketch.sourceforge.net/addon.html

The plugin itself is
ftp://sketch.sourceforge.net/pub/sketch/src/addons/geoobject-1.0.tar.gz

The plugin also needs my shapelib bindings:
ftp://intevation.de/users/bh/pyshapelib-0.2.tar.gz
which in turn needs Frank Warmerdam's shapelib itself:
http://gdal.velocet.ca/projects/shapelib/index.html

  Bernhard

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Sketch                                 http://sketch.sourceforge.net/
MapIt!                                               http://mapit.de/



From fnievinski at cpovo.net  Tue Jun 19 10:09:23 2001
From: fnievinski at cpovo.net (Felipe G. Nievinski)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 05:09:23 -0300
Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS Viewer 3.0
Message-ID: <200106190509230220.0114E5BC@smtp.terra.com.br>

One more software piece for a Free spatial data infrastructure.

(from The UC Berkeley Digital Library Project, part of the Digital Libraries Initiative, sponsored by the National Science Foundation and many others in the USA.)

Felipe.


GIS Viewer 3.0
http://elib.cs.berkeley.edu/gis/
GIS Viewer 3.0 is a new web-based tool for displaying and manipulating layers of geographical points and vectors, and raster data such as maps and images.  GIS Viewer 3.0 is designed to scale from data sets covering the entire earth to high-resolution imagery of fine details.  It has many applications, from locating, annotating, and sharing information about interesting features of the large geographic data sets, to presenting geopositioned data sets in useful contexts, to allowing users to pan and zoom museum image collections.

ftp://elib.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/gis/gis3.tar
Untaring the file gis3.tar will produce a directory named gis3 with several subdirectories and files. (...) The directory src contains the java source files for the viewer. (...)

The license:
All code and documentation is released AS-IS with the standard
University of California at Berkeley copyright notice:
Copyright (c) 1999 The Regents of the University of California.
All rights reserved.

Permission is hereby granted, without written agreement and without
license or royalty fees, to use, copy, modify, and distribute this
software and its documentation for any purpose, provided that this
copyright notice and disclaimer appear in all copies of this software.

IN NO EVENT SHALL THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA BE LIABLE TO ANY PARTY FOR
DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING OUT
OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE AND ITS DOCUMENTATION, EVEN IF THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIMS ANY WARRANTIES,
INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY
AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  THE SOFTWARE PROVIDED HEREUNDER IS
ON AN "AS IS" BASIS, AND THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA HAS NO OBLIGATION TO
PROVIDE MAINTENANCE, SUPPORT, UPDATES, ENHANCEMENTS, OR MODIFICATIONS.




From Andreas.Lange at Rhein-Main.de  Tue Jun 19 14:08:36 2001
From: Andreas.Lange at Rhein-Main.de (Andreas Lange)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:08:36 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] gpstrans 0.39
References: <20010618102838.A32209@intevation.de>
Message-ID: <3B2F40C4.2256804F@Rhein-Main.de>

Hi Bernhard, Hi Freegis-members,

just to report that gpstrans version 0.39 is currently broken. 
I contacted the author, he explained to me that the code cleanup
introduced some nasty bugs. They will hopefully be corrected in the near
future, but until then one should use the old version 0.38.

HTH,

Andreas

Bernhard Reiter wrote:
> 
> Updated the gpstrans entry.
> The project is hosted at sourceforge now the descriptions read as
> it is getting useful for broader tasks.
> New version number: 0.39
> 
>         Bernhard
> 
> Announced changes:
> 
> | Altitude support for etrex waypoint download has been added. There
> | are man page corrections and changes. The default model has been
> | changed to n to avoid mysterious failures after upgrades. The deb
> | dir has been removed.  The source code is now indented (GNU style).
> | Waypoints now work with GPSII+.  Calculation of UTM zone and
> | conversion from UTM to lat-lon have been fixed.  The comments for
> | waypoints are now left justified in the file (the upload code sent
> | the comment with all the extra spaces right justified) added.  There
> | is also some code cleanup (warnings from gps/dms.c and grid/kkj.c
> | (the kkj.c fix may not really be correct)).
> 
> --
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> The FreeGIS Project                                         (freegis.org)
> Association for a Free Informational Infrastructure            (ffii.org)
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> 
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From Andreas.Lange at Rhein-Main.de  Tue Jun 19 14:37:15 2001
From: Andreas.Lange at Rhein-Main.de (Andreas Lange)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:37:15 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] gpstrans 0.39
References: <20010618102838.A32209@intevation.de> <3B2F40C4.2256804F@Rhein-Main.de>
Message-ID: <3B2F477B.343BA864@Rhein-Main.de>

Sorry, sorry, sorry,

i mixed up the version numbers. 
Version 0.39 works again. I just checked that it is ok now. Many thanks
to Joao Seabra!

It was version 0.38 that displayed all route and waypoint points wrong. 

Again sorry, i was distracted by other things.

cu,

Andreas


Andreas Lange wrote:
> 
> Hi Bernhard, Hi Freegis-members,
> 
> just to report that gpstrans version 0.39 is currently broken.
> I contacted the author, he explained to me that the code cleanup
> introduced some nasty bugs. They will hopefully be corrected in the near
> future, but until then one should use the old version 0.38.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Andreas
> 
> Bernhard Reiter wrote:
> >
> > Updated the gpstrans entry.
> > The project is hosted at sourceforge now the descriptions read as
> > it is getting useful for broader tasks.
> > New version number: 0.39
> >
> >         Bernhard
> >
> > Announced changes:
> >
> > | Altitude support for etrex waypoint download has been added. There
> > | are man page corrections and changes. The default model has been
> > | changed to n to avoid mysterious failures after upgrades. The deb
> > | dir has been removed.  The source code is now indented (GNU style).
> > | Waypoints now work with GPSII+.  Calculation of UTM zone and
> > | conversion from UTM to lat-lon have been fixed.  The comments for
> > | waypoints are now left justified in the file (the upload code sent
> > | the comment with all the extra spaces right justified) added.  There
> > | is also some code cleanup (warnings from gps/dms.c and grid/kkj.c
> > | (the kkj.c fix may not really be correct)).
> >
> > --
> > Professional Service around Free Software                (intevation.net)
> > The FreeGIS Project                                         (freegis.org)
> > Association for a Free Informational Infrastructure            (ffii.org)
> > FSF Europe                                                (fsfeurope.org)
> >
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> 
> --
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> Andreas.Lange at Rhein-Main.de - A.C.Lange at GMX.net
> 
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From jan at intevation.de  Wed Jun 20 09:33:51 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:33:51 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] GIS Viewer 3.0
In-Reply-To: <200106190509230220.0114E5BC@smtp.terra.com.br>; from fnievinski@cpovo.net on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 05:09:23AM -0300
References: <200106190509230220.0114E5BC@smtp.terra.com.br>
Message-ID: <20010620093351.D23239@intevation.de>

On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 05:09:23AM -0300, Felipe G. Nievinski wrote:
> One more software piece for a Free spatial data infrastructure.

thanks to Felipe - again!

> GIS Viewer 3.0
> http://elib.cs.berkeley.edu/gis/
> GIS Viewer 3.0 is a new web-based tool for displaying and manipulating layers of geographical points and vectors, and raster data such as maps and images.  GIS Viewer 3.0 is designed to scale from data sets covering the entire earth to high-resolution imagery of fine details.  It has many applications, from locating, annotating, and sharing information about interesting features of the large geographic data sets, to presenting geopositioned data sets in useful contexts, to allowing users to pan and zoom museum image collections.

I have added GIS Viewer to FreeGIS.

Another news: Frank Warmerdam has upgraded OGR/GDAL to 1.1.4.
OGR now can deal with PostGIS.

Cheers

	Jan

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Intevation GmbH	              	     http://intevation.de/
FreeGIS	                               http://freegis.org/



From stefano.maffulli at milug.org  Thu Jun 21 16:57:58 2001
From: stefano.maffulli at milug.org (Stefano Maffulli)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:57:58 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] help getting more freegis
Message-ID: <01062116575809.01989@plusultra.casanostra.it>

Dear freegisers

  I am trying to figure out the amount of people (developers as well as 
users) that may be interested in CommonGIS. This software will be released 
soon, and I am advocating to make it a free software package.
You can give it a test try at this address:
http://borneo.gmd.de/and/CommonGISApplet/
while more info about the CommonGIS project is available at:
http://commongis.jrc.it

  What I would like to know is wether other people are enthusiastic like me 
of the software and would like to see it widely adopted. Of course, none of 
the members of the consortium has the marketing power to beat ESRI (to name 
one) so to me it make perfectly sense to release it as FS. To convince the 
boss, though, I should give some userbase figures (at least figures for the 
freegis users). So I ask you guys:
If you (or somebody you know) would definetely use CGIS in their research, 
commercial activities, education ecc and also help develop/debug/test the 
code, please drop me an email. 

Thank you,
/stefano 

-- 
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http://www.zoomata.com a close-up on italy  | http://www.milug.org
To err is human...to really foul up requires the root password.



From Timothy.Keitt at StonyBrook.Edu  Thu Jun 21 20:17:56 2001
From: Timothy.Keitt at StonyBrook.Edu (Timothy H. Keitt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:17:56 -0400
Subject: [Freegis-list] arc ascii grid
Message-ID: <3B323A54.4020103@StonyBrook.Edu>

Do the "xllcorner" and "yllcorner" coordinates refer to the center of 
the grid cell or the edge of the grid cell?  E.g.,

ncols         4048
nrows         2012
xllcorner     -172.1021
yllcorner     4.5357
cellsize      0.04
NODATA_value  -9999

Tim

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State University of New York at Stony Brook
Stony Brook, New York 11794 USA
Phone: 631-632-1101, FAX: 631-632-7626
http://life.bio.sunysb.edu/ee/keitt/




From Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca  Thu Jun 21 20:33:12 2001
From: Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca (Matt.Wilkie)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:33:12 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] arc ascii grid
Message-ID: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530AB9A3BE@raptor.gov.yk.ca>

> Do the "xllcorner" and "yllcorner" coordinates refer to the center of 
> the grid cell or the edge of the grid cell?  E.g.,

They refer to the edge of the cell.

See the first link for more details:
http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=arc%20ascii%20grid%20format%20

cheers,

-matt

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From tklistaddr at keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu  Thu Jun 21 20:38:53 2001
From: tklistaddr at keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu (Timothy H. Keitt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:38:53 -0400
Subject: [Freegis-list] arc ascii grid
References: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530AB9A3BE@raptor.gov.yk.ca>
Message-ID: <3B323F3D.7070804@keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu>

Thanks for the link.  It seems there is some confusion about this as one 
person already responded saying "center" not "edge".  Also, is the first 
data value encountered the upper-left corner or lower-left?

Tim

Matt.Wilkie wrote:

>>Do the "xllcorner" and "yllcorner" coordinates refer to the center of 
>>the grid cell or the edge of the grid cell?  E.g.,
>>
>
>They refer to the edge of the cell.
>
>See the first link for more details:
>http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=arc%20ascii%20grid%20format%20
>
>cheers,
>
>-matt
>
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From tklistaddr at keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu  Thu Jun 21 20:43:00 2001
From: tklistaddr at keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu (Timothy H. Keitt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:43:00 -0400
Subject: [Freegis-list] arc ascii grid
References: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530AB9A3BE@raptor.gov.yk.ca> <3B323F3D.7070804@keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu>
Message-ID: <3B324034.9030306@keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu>

On rereading the description at climatesource.com, I see that the origin 
of the grid is upper left.  Thanks again.

Tim

Timothy H. Keitt wrote:

> Thanks for the link.  It seems there is some confusion about this as 
> one person already responded saying "center" not "edge".  Also, is the 
> first data value encountered the upper-left corner or lower-left?
>
> Tim
>
> Matt.Wilkie wrote:
>
>>> Do the "xllcorner" and "yllcorner" coordinates refer to the center 
>>> of the grid cell or the edge of the grid cell?  E.g.,
>>>
>>
>> They refer to the edge of the cell.
>>
>> See the first link for more details:
>> http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=arc%20ascii%20grid%20format%20 
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> -matt
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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>> http://renres.gov.yk.ca/pubs/rrgis/
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>>
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From CCate23519 at aol.com  Fri Jun 22 02:30:40 2001
From: CCate23519 at aol.com (CCate23519@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:30:40 EDT
Subject: [Freegis-list] 508 and GIS
Message-ID: <12f.627609.2863ebb0@aol.com>

Can GIS be complient with the 508 laws?  How would you give person without 
sight the same informtion that GIS gives person's with sight?

Thanks, Craig  



From jan at intevation.de  Fri Jun 22 12:09:53 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:09:53 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] new entry on freegis: g3DGMV
Message-ID: <20010622120953.B2657@intevation.de>

Hi,

Felipe G. Nievinski pointed me to another interesting tool:

g3DGMV: 3D Graphical Map Viewer http://g3dgmv.sourceforge.net/index.html
	The g3DGMV program was designed as a free viewer for Digital Elevation
	Model (DEM ) and Digital Line Graphs (DLG ) maps. These maps are rendered
	by g3DGMV as 3D images that can be manipulated by the user and view from
	different angles. 
	Version: 0.54
	License: GPL 

Cheers

	Jan

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From frank.koormann at intevation.de  Fri Jun 22 16:12:45 2001
From: frank.koormann at intevation.de (Frank Koormann)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:12:45 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Update: OpenMap 4.2
Message-ID: <20010622161245.A4008@intevation.de>

Dear list,

OpenMap 4.2 has been released (freegis.org already updated) at:

http://openmap.bbn.com

See
http://openmap.bbn.com/com/bbn/openmap/ChangeLog 
for a complete list of changes.

Cheers,

    Frank
    
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From Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca  Fri Jun 22 20:59:43 2001
From: Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca (Matt.Wilkie)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:59:43 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] 508 and GIS
Message-ID: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530AC97E70@raptor.gov.yk.ca>

Whew, you don't believe in easy questions do you?

> Can GIS be complient with the 508 laws?  How would you give 
> person without sight the same informtion that GIS gives person's 
> with sight?

An immediately achievable route would be to use a braile printer 
to plot relief bitmaps with standard braile labels which correspond 
to records in a computer spatial database using audio software.

To increase the dynamism you could use a touchscreen instead of
a hardcopy relief map. You would have to simulate the surface
texture using sounds (or something). For instance as the fingertips 
pass over a road a sharp clear sound would emanate while a creek
would be "bubbly" and hills/valleys are indicated by rising/falling
pitch of subtle background tones. This would require custom software

One idea a friend and I tossed about is to use GIS in conjunction
with rapid prototype manufacturing/computerized milling & lathe
machines/3d plotters/etc. to build physical 3 dimensional models
of the landscape. Electronic touch sensors could be embedded at 
points of interest which would transmit audio messages when 
stimulated.

A more dynamic and elaborate method would be to drape a continuous 
electronic touch senstive fabric over the model which would be in 
continuous communication with a host database. 

More involved yet would be to make the physical model itself 
dynamic so that it could be used for any area. You ever see those 
pin profilers in novelty shops http://www.officeplayground.com/pinart.html
http://www.advancedmanufacturing.com/June99/worldwatch.htm#Britain
The device consists of a bed of moveable pins of identical length. 
When an irregular shape is pushed against the pins on one side, 
they are pushed out onto the reverse of the bed to form the shape 
of the object as a pattern of raised pins. 




From gis.guide at about.com  Fri Jun 22 21:16:43 2001
From: gis.guide at about.com (Caitlin Dempsey)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:16:43 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] 508 and GIS
References: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530AC97E70@raptor.gov.yk.ca>
Message-ID: <012001c0fb4f$dff38300$0c01a8c0@mindspring.com>

The most well-known example I can think of is the RESEARCH UNIT ON SPATIAL
COGNITION AND CHOICE (RUSCC) in particular the work involving Reginald
Golledge and the "Navigation without Sight" project which has a write up at:
http://geog.ucsb.edu/ruscc/ruscc.html - look under Navigation Systems for
the Blind.

Cheers,
Caitlin
________________________________
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About GIS Guide
http://gis.about.com
gis.guide at about.com


----- Original Message -----
Can GIS be complient with the 508 laws?  How would you give
person without sight the same informtion that GIS gives person's
with sight?





From jan at intevation.de  Mon Jun 25 10:26:34 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:26:34 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] some updates
Message-ID: <20010625102634.A12217@intevation.de>

Hi,

with over 100 entries on FreeGIS I am not able to
check back for updates for all of the entries
at a regular basis. So if you know about updates
not yet considered on freegis, please drop us a note
here (and include changelog if possible).

Two updates:

OpenEV, now 1.1.0: http://openev.sourceforge.net/
Gstat, now 2.3.3: http://www.gstat.org/

And one new entry:

Vis5D+ http://vis5d.sourceforge.net/
		Vis5d+ is intended as a central repository for
		enhanced versions and development
		work on Vis5d. 
		Version: 1.1
		License: GPL 

Jan

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From bernhard at intevation.de  Thu Jun 28 15:47:33 2001
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:47:33 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] sunclock 3.45v2 released
Message-ID: <20010628154733.M7337@intevation.de>

sunclock v3.45v2 is released.

A lot of bugfixes have gone in since the last time we announced a
sunclock release on the freegis-list.

	Bernhard

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From fnievinski at cpovo.net  Fri Jun 29 13:53:52 2001
From: fnievinski at cpovo.net (Felipe G. Nievinski)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:53:52 -0300
Subject: [Freegis-list] Fwd: Re: [MAPPING-CYBERSPACE] IP to geography
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106261852000.11372-100000@knut.anidea.com>
Message-ID: <200106290853520600.007E4A76@smtp.terra.com.br>

It may be of your interest.

Felipe.

*********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE  ***********

On 26/06/01 at 19:08 T.J. Mather <tjmather at TJMATHER.COM> wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>I'm planning to release an open source IP-to-geo database that will
>contain IP block to country mappings.  It will use Berkerley DB (version
>1).  I will also release a Perl Module that access the DB and returns the
>country for any IP address.  If all goes well, look for a release by next
>week.
>
>Cheers,
>TJ
>
>On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, martin dodge wrote:
>
>> I have been thinking that it might be useful to develop and maintain an
>> independent / Open source IP-to-geo database for researchers and
>> non-profit projects. Any thoughts?

*********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE  ***********




From neteler at geog.uni-hannover.de  Fri Jun 29 14:29:24 2001
From: neteler at geog.uni-hannover.de (Markus Neteler)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:29:24 +0100
Subject: [Freegis-list] Fwd: Re: [MAPPING-CYBERSPACE] IP to geography
In-Reply-To: <200106290853520600.007E4A76@smtp.terra.com.br>; from fnievinski@cpovo.net on Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 08:53:52AM -0300
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106261852000.11372-100000@knut.anidea.com> <200106290853520600.007E4A76@smtp.terra.com.br>
Message-ID: <20010629132924.B16481@hgeo02.geog.uni-hannover.de>

Thanks Felipe!

That would be a nice extension for:
 xtraceroute
 http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~d3august/xt/

which shows internet routing on a openGL earth
globe (rotate with mouse, pretty nice).

Markus

On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 08:53:52AM -0300, Felipe G. Nievinski wrote:
> It may be of your interest.
> 
> Felipe.
> 
> *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE  ***********
> 
> On 26/06/01 at 19:08 T.J. Mather <tjmather at TJMATHER.COM> wrote:
> 
> >Hi All,
> >
> >I'm planning to release an open source IP-to-geo database that will
> >contain IP block to country mappings.  It will use Berkerley DB (version
> >1).  I will also release a Perl Module that access the DB and returns the
> >country for any IP address.  If all goes well, look for a release by next
> >week.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >TJ
> >
> >On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, martin dodge wrote:
> >
> >> I have been thinking that it might be useful to develop and maintain an
> >> independent / Open source IP-to-geo database for researchers and
> >> non-profit projects. Any thoughts?
> 
> *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE  ***********
> 
> 
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From jan at intevation.de  Fri Jun 29 17:29:47 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:29:47 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] Fwd: Re: [MAPPING-CYBERSPACE] IP to geography
In-Reply-To: <20010629132924.B16481@hgeo02.geog.uni-hannover.de>; from neteler@geog.uni-hannover.de on Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 01:29:24PM +0100
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106261852000.11372-100000@knut.anidea.com> <200106290853520600.007E4A76@smtp.terra.com.br> <20010629132924.B16481@hgeo02.geog.uni-hannover.de>
Message-ID: <20010629172947.B16017@intevation.de>

On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 01:29:24PM +0100, Markus Neteler wrote:
> That would be a nice extension for:
>  xtraceroute
>  http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~d3august/xt/
> 
> which shows internet routing on a openGL earth
> globe (rotate with mouse, pretty nice).

I have added Xtraceroute to FreeGIS.
It is licensed with GPL.

Jan

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From jan at intevation.de  Fri Jun 29 17:35:16 2001
From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:35:16 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] [ral@alum.mit.edu: CANADIAN GEOSPATIAL DATA POLICY STUDY]
Message-ID: <20010629173516.D16017@intevation.de>

Hi,

this is a posting ftom the egip mailing list (european gi policy).

I have gone through the document mentioned. It concludes
that making (at least some) GI free is a good idea.
They use some arguments we know well here on this list :-)

Cheers

	Jan

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From Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca  Fri Jun 29 18:05:24 2001
From: Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca (Matt.Wilkie)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:05:24 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] [ral@alum.mit.edu: CANADIAN GEOSPATIAL DATA PO
	LICY STUDY]
Message-ID: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530ADB0F76@raptor.gov.yk.ca>

> this is a posting ftom the egip mailing list (european gi policy).
> 
> I have gone through the document mentioned. It concludes
> that making (at least some) GI free is a good idea.
> They use some arguments we know well here on this list :-)

<soapbox> Most of the study findings concur with comments submitted
to the Canadian Free Geospatial Data Committee, which can be seen
at http://members.home.net/freedata/. 

So far most people are focussing on the cost meaning of Free. If 
you do take the time to fill out the petition or submit a comment,
please feel free {grin} to refocus the issue on the necessity of
liberty as well.

You don't have to be Canadian to participate.
</soapbox>

-matt



From reddy at AI.SRI.COM  Sat Jun 30 19:02:35 2001
From: reddy at AI.SRI.COM (Martin Reddy)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:02:35 -0700
Subject: [Freegis-list] OGC Web Map Server support in TerraVision
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.32.0106300953070.18138-100000@Lomond.AI.SRI.COM>

At the Digital Earth 2001 conference earlier this week, SRI demonstrated its
new Web Map Server (WMS) interface along with the latest version of
TerraVision which is augmented to browse terrain datasets from a WMS. The WMS
specification is developed by the OpenGIS Consortium (OGC: www.opengis.org),
a not-for-profit organization that develops de facto standards for processing
and sharing georeferenced data. The specification allows map products to be
shared and integrated over the Web.

The SRI WMS supports the serving of data in the GeoVRML file format, allowing
users to interact with elevation models or satellite imagery in 3D. (Other
traditional image formats such as GIF and JPEG are also supported.) The SRI
WMS can be used to browse most of our TerraVision terrain models. We have put
together a web site at the following address to document and demonstrate this
server:

  http://www.tvgeo.com/wmt.shtml

The next release of the Open Source tsmApi library (www.tsmapi.com) will
contain the full source code for this server implementation, and the next
release of the freely-available TerraVision system (www.tvgeo.com) will
include the capability to browse data from Web Map Servers.

Cheers,

Martin.


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From bernhard at intevation.de  Sat Jun 30 20:57:15 2001
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 20:57:15 +0200
Subject: [Freegis-list] OGC Web Map Server support in TerraVision
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SGI.4.32.0106300953070.18138-100000@Lomond.AI.SRI.COM>; from reddy@AI.SRI.COM on Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 10:02:35AM -0700
References: <Pine.SGI.4.32.0106300953070.18138-100000@Lomond.AI.SRI.COM>
Message-ID: <20010630205715.F19882@intevation.de>

Martin,

it is good to see that SRI has released the tsmApi as Free Software
and plans to release the server implementation in the future.
Thanks for giving back to the community.

Two remarks for our readers on the freegis-list:

	The Apache license (v1.1) coming with tsmApi has a couple of
	requirements which renders it incompatible with the GPL.

	TerraVision does not qualify as Free Software.
	Annoucements for proprietary Software are off-topic in this list.
	
Regards,
	Bernhard




On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 10:02:35AM -0700, Martin Reddy wrote:
> At the Digital Earth 2001 conference earlier this week, SRI demonstrated its
> new Web Map Server (WMS) interface 

> The SRI WMS supports the serving of data in the GeoVRML file format, allowing
> users to interact with elevation models or satellite imagery in 3D. (Other
> traditional image formats such as GIF and JPEG are also supported.) 

> The next release of the Open Source tsmApi library (www.tsmapi.com) will
> contain the full source code for this server implementation, 


> and the next
> release of the freely-available TerraVision system (www.tvgeo.com) will
> include the capability to browse data from Web Map Servers.

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