From epkanegae at myrealbox.com Fri Aug 3 04:59:36 2001 From: epkanegae at myrealbox.com (Eduardo Patto Kanegae) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 02:59:36 GMT Subject: [Freegis-list] Structured Geografic Language for GIS Message-ID: <996807576.775epkanegae@myrealbox.com> hi there... does anybody here have heard 'bout LEGAL(Linguagem Espacial para GeoProcessamento Algebrico) ? LEGAL is a structured query language for GIS objects. its author( Gilberto Camara - http://www.dpi.inpe.br/gilberto ) has developed a language so usefull as SQL to be used with Spring GIS software... go to http://www.dpi.inpe.br/dpi/teses/gilberto/ or http://www.dpi.inpe.br/dpi/teses/gilberto/cap6.pdf and there u'll find information about it(sorry, i think there is no english version of it) Eduardo Patto Kanegae From acuster at nature.berkeley.edu Fri Aug 3 07:29:07 2001 From: acuster at nature.berkeley.edu (Adrian Custer) Date: 02 Aug 2001 22:29:07 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] Structured Geografic Language for GIS In-Reply-To: <996807576.775epkanegae@myrealbox.com> References: <996807576.775epkanegae@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <996816547.1716.13.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Wow this is a meeting of mindsets. The free GIS world is MOVING! Thanks for the reference. For your information the PostGIS list has just been talking about this. We were discussing JTS which looks like it does a similar thing. see this announcent from the PostGIS list: *********************** Some information on JTS is now also available at http://www.vividsolutions.com/jts/jtshome.htm Martin Davis, Senior Technical Specialist Vivid Solutions Inc. Suite #1A-2328 Government Street Victoria, B.C. V8T 5G5 Phone: (250) 385 6040 Fax: (250) 385 6046 EMail: mbdavis at vividsolutions.com Web: www.vividsolutions.com ************************ On 03 Aug 2001 02:59:36 +0000, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > hi there... > > does anybody here have heard 'bout LEGAL(Linguagem Espacial > para GeoProcessamento Algebrico) ? > LEGAL is a structured query language for GIS objects. its > author( Gilberto Camara - http://www.dpi.inpe.br/gilberto ) > has developed a language so usefull as SQL to be used with > Spring GIS software... > > go to http://www.dpi.inpe.br/dpi/teses/gilberto/ or > http://www.dpi.inpe.br/dpi/teses/gilberto/cap6.pdf and > there u'll find information about it(sorry, i think there > is no english version of it) > > Eduardo Patto Kanegae > > > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > http://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list > From bernhard at intevation.de Fri Aug 3 11:59:38 2001 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:59:38 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Structured Geografic Language for GIS In-Reply-To: <996816547.1716.13.camel@tsetse.lab-net>; from acuster@nature.berkeley.edu on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 10:29:07PM -0700 References: <996807576.775epkanegae@myrealbox.com> <996816547.1716.13.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Message-ID: <20010803115938.C19166@intevation.de> On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 10:29:07PM -0700, Adrian Custer wrote: > Wow this is a meeting of mindsets. The free GIS world is MOVING! :-) > For your information the PostGIS list has just > been talking about this. We were discussing JTS which looks like it does > a similar thing. Can you make a statement on the licenses this software will come under? On the JTS page is says: "open source", but it does not give a license and I found no way of downloading it yet. I could not find enough information about LEGAL to judge it status regarding the necessary freedoms. Probably because I do not speak Portugese... We all know that Spring is not Free Software, though. Best, Bernhard > > http://www.vividsolutions.com/jts/jtshome.htm > On 03 Aug 2001 02:59:36 +0000, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > > does anybody here have heard 'bout LEGAL(Linguagem Espacial > > para GeoProcessamento Algebrico) ? > > LEGAL is a structured query language for GIS objects. its > > author( Gilberto Camara - http://www.dpi.inpe.br/gilberto ) > > has developed a language so usefull as SQL to be used with > > Spring GIS software... > > > > go to http://www.dpi.inpe.br/dpi/teses/gilberto/ or > > http://www.dpi.inpe.br/dpi/teses/gilberto/cap6.pdf and > > there u'll find information about it(sorry, i think there > > is no english version of it) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 248 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20010803/8343a124/attachment.bin From jgreid at uow.edu.au Fri Aug 3 15:34:20 2001 From: jgreid at uow.edu.au (John Reid) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 23:34:20 +1000 Subject: [Freegis-list] GPL C++ libs and databases Message-ID: <3B6AA85C.5090908@uow.edu.au> Hi all, First, a warning. I am probably going to contradict myself several times here. Also, my base assumption is that interest is in developing under a GPL licence. Purpose of this mail is to determine potential interest - I don't actually have a plan (sketch maybe ;-) C++ spatial data libraries =================== Going by the comments on the PostGIS list re JTS (C++TS?), mention/interest on the GRASS list of the TPIE library and the existence of some vector code in OSSIM, I take it there is a considerable amount of interest in a GPL C++ library for GIS/SIS data types? Recently I have been looking at reviving the GFC library originally created by L.J. Qian, which seems very promising but is probably in need of a major overhaul (possibly too clever for its` own good - I would prefer code that is easier to understand/maintain). However to me it seems crazy for development to take place in all these seperate threads. Is anyone interested in some kind of co-ordinated effort? I'm no guru, but I would love to help out in any way I can :-) Databases ======== I am personally convinced that storage of spatial (3D+) data in a DBMS is critically important for sharing data/information between/within applications. As far as PostGIS goes - yeehaa.!!! Unfortunately, I still have this feeling in the back of my mind that bothers me regarding PostgreSQL. AFAICT, it is currently committing both of C.J. Date's "2 great blunders" for ORDMS. I have a feeling that this is making life much more difficult than it should be - I keep having dreams of abstract data types that do not need registration of any C (or other binary libraries) for access/mutation of tuples (composite types), only for SQL99 user defined types (atomic types). Or am I missing something here? (besides the fact that the atom has actually been split ;-) Seems to me there are several options (hopefully not mutually exclusive): * persuade the PostgreSQL team to implement domain = class (seems to me currently implements relvar = class). This would require some changes to the system tables at least, not sure about implications for bootstrap code and existing apps (I'm barely literate in C, anyway I'm not particularly keen to work under BSD licence - hopefully GPL will continue to fly in the long term!). * mySQL? (I know nothing about its internal architecture, so can't comment as to its long term suitability). * roll our own GPL ORDBMS. This might not be as large a task as it would initially seem (dream on!). Unfortunately it seems like the code from the Uni of Wisconsin Paradise project has been lost from the public domain (seems to me from skimming the papers related to the project that it would have been a great bootstrap). Unfortunately I don't think any of the open source projects could afford to purchase the code line from NCR (current owners), even in some kind of joint venture. However the Wisconsin SHORE code is still available as a basis for further development (hopefully mutual - however if no interest from Wisconsin might generate interest from other DBMS types anyway). Also, there might be the possibility that the Predator/Cougar projects might be amenable to open sourcing their codebase (currently research lic), which would be a great bootstrap to development effort (and hopefully of mutual benefit! the current project maintainers seem very interested in distributed databases and also spatial/image data to some extent - these features are what we want, right?). cheers, John P.S. As a volunteer developer, I am prejudiced against developing under other more open licences than those conditions that are imposed by the GPL (or my understanding of it anyway). Common feeling? I really don't want to potentially give away the products of my labour to some monolithic corporation without the expection of any return obligation (either in terms of futher development of the codebase or money/food/shelter) ... fair? From tobias.hoevekamp at ilw.agrl.ethz.ch Fri Aug 3 16:53:38 2001 From: tobias.hoevekamp at ilw.agrl.ethz.ch (Tobias Benedikt Hoevekamp) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:53:38 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Climate Data? Message-ID: <3B6ABAF2.391F24B@ilw.agrl.ethz.ch> Hi there, I would like to add climate data to Wikipedia, a free encyclopedia project at http://www.wikipedia.com/. Browsing around always led me to some non-free databases that won't help. I am mainly interested in average temperatures and average rainfalls as they could be found at: http://www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?ref=N47E008+1102+06660W http://www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?ref=N47E008+2100+06660W Do you know where I can find the desired information? Best regards, Tobias Hoevekamp -- TOBIAS HOEVEKAMP mailto:tobias.hoevekamp at ilw.agrl.ethz.ch http://www.vt.ilw.agrl.ethz.ch/~hoevekam WORK: ETH Zurich, LFO E21, CH-8092 Zurich, +41 1 632 3304 HOME: Anna Heer-Str. 2, CH-8057 Zurich, +41 1 350 5986 From acuster at nature.berkeley.edu Sat Aug 4 00:03:06 2001 From: acuster at nature.berkeley.edu (Adrian Custer) Date: 03 Aug 2001 15:03:06 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] Beautiful! Message-ID: <996876186.1243.44.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Wow! The site looks fabulous. Clear, quick and easy to understand and will be really useful to navigate. One request would be a set of catagories: Full GISes (bad name, I know) e.g. Grass GPS efforts (") e.g. pyGPS Libraries (") e.g. shapelib I'm in the process of hounding a GPS hardware company for their specs so I wanted to include a link to the FreeGIS-gps page... cheers, adrian From sannyeagle at 163.net Fri Aug 3 14:40:54 2001 From: sannyeagle at 163.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D5=D4=D0=F1=B9=E2?=) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 20:40:54 +0800 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Freegis-list digest, Vol 1 #216 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <20010804124801.9190C1C9A9AC3@bjapp5.163.net> Hope to exchange gis/rs software. 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From bernhard at intevation.de Sat Aug 4 23:37:41 2001 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 23:37:41 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Beautiful! In-Reply-To: <996876186.1243.44.camel@tsetse.lab-net>; from acuster@nature.berkeley.edu on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:03:06PM -0700 References: <996876186.1243.44.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Message-ID: <20010804233741.E25324@intevation.de> On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:03:06PM -0700, Adrian Custer wrote: > Wow! > > The site looks fabulous. Clear, quick and easy to understand and will be > really useful to navigate. Thanks to Jan-Oliver, who worked hard on it in the last weeks. > One request would be a set of catagories: > Full GISes (bad name, I know) e.g. Grass > GPS efforts (") e.g. pyGPS > Libraries (") e.g. shapelib We do have some sort of categories behind the "browse" button. Navigation still will get improved so keep your suggestions and your feedback coming. > I'm in the process of hounding a GPS hardware company for their specs so > I wanted to include a link to the FreeGIS-gps page... Is http://freegis.org/browse.en.html?category=app&app=gps coming close to what you want? Bernhard -- Gesch?ftsf?hrer, Intevation GmbH (intevation.de) Projekt Freie GIS Software (freegis.org/index.de.html) FFII e.V. (ffii.org) FSF Europa (fsfeurope.org/index.de.html) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 248 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20010804/f866416f/attachment.bin From fnievinski at cpovo.net Sun Aug 5 01:42:55 2001 From: fnievinski at cpovo.net (Felipe G. Nievinski) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 20:42:55 -0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] Structured Geografic Language for GIS In-Reply-To: <20010803115938.C19166@intevation.de> References: <996807576.775epkanegae@myrealbox.com> <996816547.1716.13.camel@tsetse.lab-net> <20010803115938.C19166@intevation.de> Message-ID: <200108042042550580.00F1CC64@smtp.terra.com.br> Sorry for the off-topic, just to explain it a little more: LEGAL (which means, in a free translation, "Spatial Language for Algebraic Geoprocessing") is a language, not a piece of software. It is partially implemented in SPRING GIS, and is based on an map algebra for geographic fields proposed by Câmara (1995). cheers. Felipe. Câmara, G. Models, Languages, and Architectures for Geographic Databases (in Portuguese). 1995 http://www.dpi.inpe.br/gilberto On 03 Aug 2001 02:59:36 +0000, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: > does anybody here have heard 'bout LEGAL(Linguagem Espacial > para GeoProcessamento Algebrico) ? > LEGAL is a structured query language for GIS objects. its > author( Gilberto Camara - http://www.dpi.inpe.br/gilberto ) > has developed a language so usefull as SQL to be used with > Spring GIS software... > > go to http://www.dpi.inpe.br/dpi/teses/gilberto/ or > http://www.dpi.inpe.br/dpi/teses/gilberto/cap6.pdf and > there u'll find information about it(sorry, i think there > is no english version of it) > From jan at intevation.de Mon Aug 6 08:49:14 2001 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:49:14 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Freegis-list digest, Vol 1 #216 - 3 msgs In-Reply-To: <20010804124801.9190C1C9A9AC3@bjapp5.163.net>; from sannyeagle@163.net on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 08:40:54PM +0800 References: <20010804124801.9190C1C9A9AC3@bjapp5.163.net> Message-ID: <20010806084914.A7806@intevation.de> On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 08:40:54PM +0800, ?????? wrote: > Hope to exchange gis/rs software. > My gis/rs software without hardkey and with crack list: FreeGIS stands for freedom in GIS software. We absolutely having nothing to do with cracking of proprietary software. Moreover: Cracking is illegal! I will bring any activity of this kind to the attention of the corresponding companies and the police. Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From bernhard at intevation.de Mon Aug 6 15:58:11 2001 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:58:11 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Terraform a GIS application? Message-ID: <20010806155811.K8725@intevation.de> Is Terraform a GIS related application? Should we list it on freegis.org? http://terraform.sourceforge.net It could be used to create DEMs for testing and playing around... Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Source is available and GPL'ed Also while you are there, take a look at: http://www.gnomad-mapping.com/ I'm trying to find out if it is to be GPLed and what its status is.Both projects seem to be initiated by the same character, see http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ (THis is another vapourware like JTS but it's nice to see gnome-icons, tux and a computer map on the same page.) I'll let you all know if I find out more.) cheers, adrian From jan at intevation.de Tue Aug 7 11:59:42 2001 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:59:42 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Beautiful! In-Reply-To: <996876186.1243.44.camel@tsetse.lab-net>; from acuster@nature.berkeley.edu on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:03:06PM -0700 References: <996876186.1243.44.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Message-ID: <20010807115942.B14947@intevation.de> On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:03:06PM -0700, Adrian Custer wrote: > The site looks fabulous. Clear, quick and easy to understand and will be > really useful to navigate. Thanks. Finally, I added a search button - a must for any usable portal site :-) > One request would be a set of catagories: > Full GISes (bad name, I know) e.g. Grass > GPS efforts (") e.g. pyGPS > Libraries (") e.g. shapelib The latter one is on my list as "toolkit/library" for it is missing in the current set of categories. Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From jan at intevation.de Tue Aug 7 15:54:04 2001 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:54:04 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] GPL C++ libs and databases In-Reply-To: <3B6AA85C.5090908@uow.edu.au>; from jgreid@uow.edu.au on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 11:34:20PM +1000 References: <3B6AA85C.5090908@uow.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010807155404.A16105@intevation.de> Hi John, On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 11:34:20PM +1000, John Reid wrote: > First, a warning. I am probably going to contradict myself several > times here. Also, my base assumption is that interest is in developing > under a GPL licence. Purpose of this mail is to determine potential > interest - I don't actually have a plan (sketch maybe ;-) > > C++ spatial data libraries > =================== > > Going by the comments on the PostGIS list re JTS (C++TS?), > mention/interest on the GRASS list of the TPIE library and the existence > of some vector code in OSSIM, I take it there is a considerable amount > of interest in a GPL C++ library for GIS/SIS data types? Recently I > have been looking at reviving the GFC library originally created by L.J. > Qian, which seems very promising but is probably in need of a major > overhaul (possibly too clever for its` own good - I would prefer code first of all it would be of course great to have a GPLed library for spatial data. This would require any tool using this library to be under GPL as well. If the library is good, it can be a reason to change license to GPL. What determines the success of such a project is: are there enough GPLed applications for which it makes sense to use the library and are they actually willing to do so? If you don't have them fully behind your project, the project will fail (unless you have unlimited time/money to proceed anyway). So your first action should be to find out whether there is the need to have a standard library (and what it precicesly will offer). Personally, I would be happy if some of the currently available GIS-related libraries would 'upgrade' at least to LGPL to provide a trustful platform for contributors. > However to me it seems crazy for development to take place in all these > seperate threads. Is anyone interested in some kind of co-ordinated > effort? I'm no guru, but I would love to help out in any way I can :-) Probably the most efficient way for you to support free GIS software is to coordinate a project (doing communication) rather than to code yourself. Since you probably will have time only for one project, you must select this carefully of course :-) Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From jan at intevation.de Tue Aug 7 16:01:11 2001 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:01:11 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Free Climate Data? In-Reply-To: <3B6ABAF2.391F24B@ilw.agrl.ethz.ch>; from tobias.hoevekamp@ilw.agrl.ethz.ch on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 04:53:38PM +0200 References: <3B6ABAF2.391F24B@ilw.agrl.ethz.ch> Message-ID: <20010807160111.B16105@intevation.de> On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 04:53:38PM +0200, Tobias Benedikt Hoevekamp wrote: > I would like to add climate data to Wikipedia, a free > encyclopedia project at http://www.wikipedia.com/. Browsing > around always led me to some non-free databases that > won't help. > > I am mainly interested in average temperatures and > average rainfalls as they could be found at: > http://www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?ref=N47E008+1102+06660W > http://www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?ref=N47E008+2100+06660W > > Do you know where I can find the desired information? I am not aware of a free dataset with global climate information. I will try to find out whether there is a chance to gain one. Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From jan at intevation.de Tue Aug 7 16:14:28 2001 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:14:28 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Terraform a GIS application? In-Reply-To: <20010806155811.K8725@intevation.de>; from bernhard@intevation.de on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 03:58:11PM +0200 References: <20010806155811.K8725@intevation.de> Message-ID: <20010807161428.C16105@intevation.de> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 03:58:11PM +0200, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > Is Terraform a GIS related application? > Should we list it on freegis.org? > > http://terraform.sourceforge.net I have added it. Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From bernhard at intevation.de Tue Aug 7 16:15:36 2001 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:15:36 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Terraform a GIS application? In-Reply-To: <20010807161428.C16105@intevation.de>; from jan@intevation.de on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 04:14:28PM +0200 References: <20010806155811.K8725@intevation.de> <20010807161428.C16105@intevation.de> Message-ID: <20010807161536.M14363@intevation.de> On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 04:14:28PM +0200, Jan-Oliver Wagner wrote: > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 03:58:11PM +0200, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > > Is Terraform a GIS related application? > > Should we list it on freegis.org? > > > > http://terraform.sourceforge.net > > I have added it. So much for a discussion. ;-> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd prefer either Shape files (since I'll be using PostGIS which has an import/conversion utility) or some other ASCII formatted files that I can load into PostgreSQL/PostGIS. TIA, Rod -- Remove the word 'try' from your vocabulary ... Don't try. Do it or don't do it ... Steers try! Don Aslett From jan at intevation.de Tue Aug 7 17:00:48 2001 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:00:48 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Another one. gpsd a deamon to serve GPS diff corr data In-Reply-To: <997155831.1417.49.camel@tsetse.lab-net>; from acuster@nature.berkeley.edu on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 08:43:51PM -0700 References: <997155831.1417.49.camel@tsetse.lab-net> Message-ID: <20010807170048.C17112@intevation.de> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 08:43:51PM -0700, Adrian Custer wrote: > Just ran across GPSD at: you mean dgpsip :-) [ I am trying to find out about gpsd for while now, but http://www.mayko.com (the homesite has gone offline for no particular reason ] > http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/gps/dgps-ip.html > > It's a method to send differential correction data over the internet > instead of by radio. Source is available and GPL'ed added to FreeGIS. Thanks. > Also while you are there, take a look at: > http://www.gnomad-mapping.com/ > I'm trying to find out if it is to be GPLed and what its status is.Both > projects seem to be initiated by the same character, see > http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ (THis is another vapourware like JTS but > it's nice to see gnome-icons, tux and a computer map on the same page.) > I'll let you all know if I find out more.) it would be nice to have that tool as free software. Glad you hunt him down :-) Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From bernhard at intevation.de Tue Aug 7 17:30:06 2001 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:30:06 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] gpsd still available Message-ID: <20010807173006.P14363@intevation.de> Looks like gpsd-1.06 and a couple of other little gps programs can still be retrieved from ibiblio (formerly sunsite and metalab) and mirrors: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/hardware/daemons/!INDEX.html or ftp://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/hardware/daemons/ Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20010810/a42fd01e/attachment.html From pkishor at geoanalytics.com Fri Aug 10 06:52:40 2001 From: pkishor at geoanalytics.com (Puneet Kishor) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 23:52:40 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: [mapserver-users] free DBF editor ? is there anyone? In-Reply-To: <008801c1214e$814c1fe0$0c01a8c0@intranet> Message-ID: <200108100452.f7A4qS311318@omecihuatl.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> On Thursday, August 9, 2001, at 10:41 PM, Eduardo Patto Kanegae wrote: ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Eduardo Patto Kanegae To: mapserver-users at lists.gis.umn.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:22 PM Subject: free DBF editor ? is there anyone? does anybody know an editor for DBF files maintance? ? i have to add fields to my shapefiles but don't have(too much expensive) ESRI ArvView.... ? any GPL tool or somethin like this... ---- most spreadsheet kinda tools will open dbf files... try StarOffice... the spreadsheet as well as the database module will work with dbf files. Be careful with the row order... don't delete any rows or reorder them... they will get out of sync with your shp file and then you would be royally screwed. Otherwise, you can edit their contents to your heart's fill. Btw, you would be better off storing only a featureid in the dbf file and moving all the attributes to a real database such as MySQL. -- Puneet Kishor pkishor at eidesis.org From bernhard at intevation.de Fri Aug 10 11:41:00 2001 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:41:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Aviation navigation (long) References: <3B739C91.97D6AF67@telocity.com> Message-ID: <20010810094100.9F5CB1B73B@abnoba.hq> [Posted and mailed to freegis-list] You need to check freegis.org which is the most comprehensive overview site for GIS related free software. The FreeGIS project also hosts a mailinglist where interested people might lurk. (For this reason I have also mailed this posting to the list.) Another interesting project for you is certainly: FlightGear and its Altas project. http://atlas.sourceforge.net/ Best, Bernhard In article <3B739C91.97D6AF67 at telocity.com>, AINut writes: > I had an idea that I'd like to run past you guys. Maybe it has already > been done. > > I'm going to install an embedded system into an airplane, primarily as > an engine monitoring tool. Then I thought that with a cheap ($150) > serial port GPS, I could add GPS capabilities to the screen. To make > that easier to use, I could load the US DTED (elevation data isn't it?) > info into a database and CD-ROM (or DVD-RAM if need be) along with > airport and navaid data, then display a moving map location for the > people in the plane in at least these ways: > 1) God's eye (plan) view for immediate intuitive awareness of location, > 2) horizontal view for awareness of altitude relative to mountains, > towers, etc., and > 3) 3D rotatable view for even better situational awareness (using OpenGL > tools.) > > Now, if we can do this, we might also be able to perform location > projections to warn the pilot of impending doom (if you stay at this > altitude and speed, you'll hit a mountain in 2 minutes), or of airspace > violations (on present course, you're going to fly through a Class B > airspace,) and etc. > > My intent is to make the software publicly available (if anyone wants > it) via the GPL license. > > My questions: > 1. what is the easiest free source(s) for the raw elevation data? > 2. what is a good free source for the algorithms to use? > 3. if anyone is doing this, would you like to collaborate for free? > 4. Am I out of my mind here? > > Thanks, > AI Nut -- Professional Service around Free Software (intevation.net) The FreeGIS Project (freegis.org) Association for a Free Informational Infrastructure (ffii.org) FSF Europe (fsfeurope.org) From paul at toolscenter.org Fri Aug 10 15:07:54 2001 From: paul at toolscenter.org (Paul Selormey) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:07:54 +0900 Subject: [Freegis-list] free DBF editor ? is there anyone? References: <008801c1214e$814c1fe0$0c01a8c0@intranet> Message-ID: <003901c1219d$797f6a20$700201c0@nsepaul> Hello, I do not know of any or have one. However, I am currently playing a lot with shapefiles and could work on one if you can come with some specifications. Also, I work mainly on the Windows platform for developments and will not be able to handle Linux/Unix stuff immediately. Best regards, Paul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eduardo Patto Kanegae To: MapServer-Users ; FreeGIS Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:41 PM Subject: [Freegis-list] free DBF editor ? is there anyone? ----- Original Message ----- From: Eduardo Patto Kanegae To: mapserver-users at lists.gis.umn.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:22 PM Subject: free DBF editor ? is there anyone? does anybody know an editor for DBF files maintance? i have to add fields to my shapefiles but don't have(too much expensive) ESRI ArvView.... any GPL tool or somethin like this... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20010810/7b439bd2/attachment.html From paul at toolscenter.org Fri Aug 10 15:11:05 2001 From: paul at toolscenter.org (Paul Selormey) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:11:05 +0900 Subject: [Freegis-list] free DBF editor ? is there anyone? References: <008801c1214e$814c1fe0$0c01a8c0@intranet> Message-ID: <004101c1219d$ec050aa0$700201c0@nsepaul> Hello, Are you a computer programmer? MS VC++ database sample DBViewer has editing features you might wish to take a look. If you are not a programmer, I could send a compiled binary to you directly. Best regards, Paul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eduardo Patto Kanegae To: MapServer-Users ; FreeGIS Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:41 PM Subject: [Freegis-list] free DBF editor ? is there anyone? ----- Original Message ----- From: Eduardo Patto Kanegae To: mapserver-users at lists.gis.umn.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:22 PM Subject: free DBF editor ? is there anyone? does anybody know an editor for DBF files maintance? i have to add fields to my shapefiles but don't have(too much expensive) ESRI ArvView.... any GPL tool or somethin like this... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20010810/4e5b5439/attachment.html From jan at intevation.de Fri Aug 10 15:25:44 2001 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:25:44 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Site-changes settled Message-ID: <20010810152544.A2273@intevation.de> Hi all, after a couple of weeks of more intensive work on the FreeGIS site many planned changes are implemented and the new structure/navigation is settled now. There will be a couple of minor changes when I find the time. I hope you like the new site and find it helpful. Please report any error or what you are missing. I will now spend my FreeGIS time primarily for a new release of the FreeGIS CD. All the best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca Fri Aug 10 17:54:28 2001 From: Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca (Matt.Wilkie) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:54:28 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] Re: Aviation navigation (long) Message-ID: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530B6F528E@raptor.gov.yk.ca> > Now, if we can do this, we might also be able to perform location > projections to warn the pilot of impending doom (if you stay at this > altitude and speed, you'll hit a mountain in 2 minutes), or of airspace > violations (on present course, you're going to fly through a Class B > airspace,) and etc. Be very careful of this. There are more regulations for aviation than any other single field I can think of and navigation is one of the stickiest parts. Whatever you do, don't say "and this program can warn you if you are on a collision course with a mountain". DEM data, especially publicly available data, is not all that accurate to begin with. Add to that that people like to stick things like 25m microwave towers and windmills on top of mountains... So, go ahead and program the capability, but don't publicize it as warning device. And talk to a lawyer familiar with navigation law who can tell you the proper way to say "this is not to be used as a safety device". > > 4. Am I out of my mind here? No, go for it. :) cheers, -matt ----------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Wilkie * Yukon Renewable Resources GIS http://renres.gov.yk.ca/pubs/rrgis/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From eduardo at metodoinv.com.br Sat Aug 11 22:53:26 2001 From: eduardo at metodoinv.com.br (Eduardo Patto Kanegae) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:53:26 -0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] how to save data without puting it on shapefiles .DBF's References: <200108100452.f7A4qS311318@omecihuatl.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> Message-ID: <006501c122a7$ac43eca0$0c01a8c0@intranet> ----- Original Message ----- From: Eduardo Patto Kanegae To: mapserver-users at lists.gis.umn.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:22 PM Subject: free DBF editor ? is there anyone? does anybody know an editor for DBF files maintance? i have to add fields to my shapefiles but don't have(too much expensive) ESRI ArvView.... any GPL tool or somethin like this... ---- most spreadsheet kinda tools will open dbf files... try StarOffice... the spreadsheet as well as the database module will work with dbf files. Be careful with the row order... don't delete any rows or reorder them... they will get out of sync with your shp file and then you would be royally screwed. Otherwise, you can edit their contents to your heart's fill. Btw, you would be better off storing only a featureid in the dbf file and moving all the attributes to a real database such as MySQL. @@@yes, someone has already said this to me: "for each polygon/line/point at a shapefile @@@it's better to create a unique ID and save this same ID to a table in database. @@@but how could i do my theme queries after doing this? -- Puneet Kishor pkishor at eidesis.org _______________________________________________ Freegis-list mailing list Freegis-list at intevation.de http://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From AmitZ at systematics.co.il Sun Aug 12 09:56:43 2001 From: AmitZ at systematics.co.il (Amit Zvigoren) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 09:56:43 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Dispersion Models for Emergency Response Application Message-ID: <08606F4EF6B3D3118E930090277E0A001A270B@hawk.systematics.co.il> Hello all, We are looking for free dispersion models such as chemical, radiologic, bombing etc. for an ArcInfo 8 emergency response application. Models should be in any format, the best will be (of course) using ArcGIS VBA to create a GRID (or GRIDs), but "raw" models written in any programming language will also do. We are not interested in black boxes, we need to implement the algorithms themselves into our own source code. Thanks, Amit. From jgreid at uow.edu.au Mon Aug 13 13:22:00 2001 From: jgreid at uow.edu.au (John Reid) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:22:00 +1000 Subject: [Freegis-list] predator ordbms Message-ID: <3B77B858.8060701@uow.edu.au> Hi all, This looks suspiciously like the GPL to me :-) http://www.cs.cornell.edu/predator/license.htm -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- john reid e-mail jgreid at uow.edu.au uproot your questions from their ground and the dangling roots will be seen. more questions! -mentat zensufi apply standard disclaimers as desired... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jan at intevation.de Mon Aug 13 14:35:12 2001 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:35:12 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] predator ordbms In-Reply-To: <3B77B858.8060701@uow.edu.au>; from jgreid@uow.edu.au on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 09:22:00PM +1000 References: <3B77B858.8060701@uow.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010813143512.A22931@intevation.de> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 09:22:00PM +1000, John Reid wrote: > This looks suspiciously like the GPL to me :-) > http://www.cs.cornell.edu/predator/license.htm but it does not say so. Thus the license must be checked word by word whether it actually is identical to the GPL (to be sure). Furthmore, I fail to see why there is mandatory registration with paswsword sending and all that stuff. If there are reasons for this procedure, they don't explain them. Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From jgreid at uow.edu.au Mon Aug 13 18:10:20 2001 From: jgreid at uow.edu.au (John Reid) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 02:10:20 +1000 Subject: [Freegis-list] predator ordbms References: <3B77B858.8060701@uow.edu.au> <20010813143512.A22931@intevation.de> <3B77E7DD.6060801@uow.edu.au> Message-ID: <3B77FBEC.10007@uow.edu.au> I just diffed the licence files. Looks like the file is the tail of the GPL, minus the intentions blurb, with a new header/copyright holder notice. Bit hard to tell completely - MS Frontpage does some really bizarre things to the raw html. Really need to look at the licence file included with the source distribution. John Reid wrote: > Hi, > > From a brief look, the Free Software Foundation and General Public > Licence are mentioned. Definitely needs closer study. If I remember > correctly, v0.95 code was originally licenced under terms similar to > distributable for research purposes otherwise contact us. This > might explain the password protection. The licence seems close to > what I remember of the GPL blurb, if not the full licence text but > with a header section added. Don't know what else has been changed. > Must find plain text version for diffing ;-) > > Also the download instructions etc have old dates, but licence title > is literally "New Page". Also, I'm sure that v2.0 pages only appeared > in the past month or two. Looks like it might have been sitting in > the closet for a while. I think there has been a change in the > primary development site as well. Apparently work is currently in > progress on a port to linux. I know it builds ok, however it the > project is still in it's infancy. I have no idea what is like on > windows nt or 2000 (find that out sometime soon maybe), but definitely > needs work on linux. Having said that, so far looks like a promising > foundation :-) Related projects are SHORE storage manager (BSD/Apache style - this is used by Predator and the now defunct Paradise project) and possibly lambda-db (lic?). > > The new maintainer seems a friendly type :-) I can put you in touch > with him if needed. > > cheers, > John > > Jan-Oliver Wagner wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 09:22:00PM +1000, John Reid wrote: >> >>> This looks suspiciously like the GPL to me :-) >>> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/predator/license.htm >>> >> >> but it does not say so. Thus the license >> must be checked word by word whether it actually is >> identical to the GPL (to be sure). >> >> Furthmore, I fail to see why there is mandatory registration >> with paswsword sending and all that stuff. >> If there are reasons for this procedure, >> they don't explain them. >> >> Jan >> > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- john reid e-mail jgreid at uow.edu.au uproot your questions from their ground and the dangling roots will be seen. more questions! -mentat zensufi apply standard disclaimers as desired... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca Mon Aug 13 19:14:07 2001 From: Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca (Matt.Wilkie) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:14:07 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] predator ordbms Message-ID: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530B7E7854@raptor.gov.yk.ca> > I just diffed the licence files. Looks like the file is the > tail of the GPL, minus the intentions blurb, with a new header/ > copyright holder notice. ... > >> but it does not say so. Thus the license > >> must be checked word by word whether it actually is > >> identical to the GPL (to be sure). According to Section 9 (http://www.cs.cornell.edu/predator/license.htm) one could simply replace the Predator license with any GPL version, this may not be what the author intended [emphasis mine]:
9. The Free Software Foundation may publish revised and/or new versions of the General Public License from time to time. Such new versions will be similar in spirit to the present version, but may differ in detail to address new problems or concerns. Each version is given a distinguishing version number. If the Program specifies a version number of this License which applies to it and "any later version", ***you have the option of following the terms and conditions either of that version or of any later version published by the Free Software Foundation. If the Program does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software Foundation.***
-matt ----------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Wilkie * Yukon Renewable Resources GIS http://renres.gov.yk.ca/pubs/rrgis/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From frank.koormann at intevation.de Tue Aug 14 08:36:50 2001 From: frank.koormann at intevation.de (Frank Koormann) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:36:50 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] predator ordbms In-Reply-To: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530B7E7854@raptor.gov.yk.ca>; from Matt.Wilkie@gov.yk.ca on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 10:14:07AM -0700 References: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530B7E7854@raptor.gov.yk.ca> Message-ID: <20010814083650.A29145@intevation.de> Hi all, * Matt.Wilkie (Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca) [010813 19:14]: > > I just diffed the licence files. Looks like the file is the > > tail of the GPL, minus the intentions blurb, with a new header/ > > copyright holder notice. > ... > > >> but it does not say so. Thus the license > > >> must be checked word by word whether it actually is > > >> identical to the GPL (to be sure). > > According to Section 9 (http://www.cs.cornell.edu/predator/license.htm) > one could simply replace the Predator license with any GPL version, > this may not be what the author intended [emphasis mine]: > Trying to register without filling the form leads to a page with a link to the old licence (and predator v 0.95). The old version is rather restricted so there seems to be a honorable move towards makeing predator free software. To me it seems that they simply renamed the GPL to "Predator v2.0 licence". So there still are some misunderstandings regarding free software (e.g. renaming the GPL, a mandatory registration). Does anybody on this list has some contacts to Cornell or volunteer to discuss the issues with the authors carefully worded? Kind regards, Frank -- Frank Koormann Professional Service around Free Software (http://intevation.net/) FreeGIS Project (http://freegis.org/) From jgreid at uow.edu.au Tue Aug 14 10:11:20 2001 From: jgreid at uow.edu.au (John Reid) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:11:20 +1000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: RE: [Freegis-list] predator ordbms]] Message-ID: <3B78DD28.2040304@uow.edu.au> Hi all, Hope this explains what is going on. As I understand it, development has just started again after a hiatus, so the Predator guys are still getting organised. From a email exchange about a month ago: Philippe Bonnet wrote: I have just moved to U.Copenhagen and I am resuming work on Predator. The last months at Cornell had been quite on that front. I am in the process of recruiting a student and hope to be done with the port to Linux in a month or so (proper packaging might take longer but I could ship a version as soon as we are done). cheers, John -------- Original Message -------- From: - Tue Aug 14 17:40:21 2001 X-UIDL: 3b63c6040003df4a X-Mozilla-Status: 0013 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from hugin.diku.dk (hugin.diku.dk [130.225.96.144]) by isis.its.uow.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA07099 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:36:42 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 4691 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2001 07:36:37 -0000 Received: from var.diku.dk (HELO diku.dk) (bonnet at 130.225.96.197) by hugin.diku.dk with SMTP; 14 Aug 2001 07:36:37 -0000 Sender: bonnet at uow.edu.au Message-ID: <3B78D505.54CECA39 at diku.dk> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:36:37 +0200 From: Philippe Bonnet Organization: Datalogisk Institut, K?benhavns Universitet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3smp i686) X-Accept-Language: da, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Reid Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: [Freegis-list] predator ordbms] References: <3B789E34.8030004 at uow.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Status: Hi, We are going to release a Linux version of Predator in a few weeks. We might establish an open source project in the mid term. To start with, the model I have in mind is that people can start developing extensions on their own (with our support) and we (in Copenhagen) will integrate them into releases. It really all depends on the number of people that get involved. But it has always been our purpose (Jim Gray supported the project until last year and that was very clear for him) to make Predator an open source effort. We just have to find the right way to do it. Best, Philippe. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- john reid e-mail: jgreid at uow.edu.au technical officer building 41, room G02A school of geosciences phone: +61 02 4221 3963 university of wollongong fax: +61 02 4221 4250 nsw 2522 australia uproot your questions from their ground and the dangling roots will be seen. more questions! -mentat zensufi apply standard disclaimers as desired... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From aredse at yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 01:46:13 2001 From: aredse at yahoo.com (arturo) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:46:13 -0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] pregunta Message-ID: <003001c12452$252b56c0$89e82dc8@arturo> Destacados Miembros de Freegis-list: Solicito vuestra amabilidad a efectos de conseguir informaci?n sobre GIS, orientado a la Sanidad Animal, aplicaciones practicas y capacitacion. Atentamente. Arturo Seward. Highlighted Members of Freegis-list: I request your kindness to effects of getting information GIS it has more than enough, guided to the Animal Sanity, applications practice and training. Sincerely. Arturo Seward. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20010813/1c667439/attachment.html From bernhard at intevation.de Tue Aug 14 14:49:33 2001 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:49:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Freegis-list] sdts2dem fixed to read new-series DEM files (fwd) Message-ID: <20010814124933.1397D1B73F@abnoba.hq> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: unknown sender Subject: no subject Date: no date Size: 1115 Url: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20010814/d85d0887/attachment.txt From fnievinski at cpovo.net Wed Aug 15 05:24:51 2001 From: fnievinski at cpovo.net (Felipe G. Nievinski) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:24:51 -0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] pregunta In-Reply-To: <003001c12452$252b56c0$89e82dc8@arturo> References: <003001c12452$252b56c0$89e82dc8@arturo> Message-ID: <200108150024510330.00782498@smtp.terra.com.br> Arturo, visit the website of the Emerging Infectious Diseases journal: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/ Despite the fact it is not about GIS, strictly, a quick search on "GIS" matched 42 entries. Some of them: - Remote Sensing and Geographic Information Systems: Charting Sin Nombre Virus Infections in Deer Mice - Using a Spatial Filter and a Geographic Information System to Improve Rabies Surveillance Data - On Epidemiology and Geographic Information Systems: A Review and Discussion of Future Directions It states: "All material published in Emerging Infectious Diseases is in the public domain and may be used and reprinted without special permission; proper citation, however, is appreciated." Searching about "'Geographic Information Systems and Cattles'" with Google.com also resulted in some interesting hints. Hope this helps. -- Arturo, repondo em portugues que pode lhe ser mais fácil de entender. Visite o sitio na Web da revista "Emerging Infections Diseases": http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/ Apesar do fato dela não ser sobre SIG, estritamente, uma pesquisa rápida sobre "GIS" encontrou em 42 itens. Alguns deles: - Remote Sensing and Geographic Information Systems: Charting Sin Nombre Virus Infections in Deer Mice - Using a Spatial Filter and a Geographic Information System to Improve Rabies Surveillance Data - On Epidemiology and Geographic Information Systems: A Review and Discussion of Future Directions Está dito: "Todo o material publicado na revista Emerging Infectious Diseases está em domínio público e pode ser usado e reimpresso sem permissão especial; citação (referência) apropriada, porém, é apreciada." Procurando por "'Geographic Information Systems and Cattles'" no Google.com também resultou em algumas pistas interessantes. Espero que isto ajude. Um abraço, Felipe. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 13/08/01 at 20:46 arturo wrote: >Destacados Miembros de Freegis-list: > >Solicito vuestra amabilidad a efectos de conseguir información sobre GIS, orientado a la Sanidad Animal, aplicaciones practicas y capacitacion. >Atentamente. > >Arturo Seward. > >Highlighted Members of Freegis-list: > >I request your kindness to effects of getting information GIS it has more than enough, guided to the Animal Sanity, applications practice and training. >Sincerely. > >Arturo Seward. > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Freegis-list mailing list >Freegis-list at intevation.de >http://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list From dmccoy at cityofsacramento.org Fri Aug 17 19:48:30 2001 From: dmccoy at cityofsacramento.org (Dan McCoy) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:48:30 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] ESRI Geodatabase format Message-ID: Are there any free utilities for converting ESRI's geodatabase format (.mdb) to other formats? Even ESRI does not provide a way to convert an annotaion feature class from a geodatabse to an annotation coverage. I was wondering if anyone was working on this. Thanks, Dan McCoy GIS Specialist City of Sacramento (916) 264-1914 dmccoy at cityofsacramento.org From warmerdam at pobox.com Fri Aug 17 20:59:17 2001 From: warmerdam at pobox.com (Frank Warmerdam) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:59:17 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] ESRI Geodatabase format References: Message-ID: <3B7D6985.1030706@pobox.com> Dan McCoy wrote: > Are there any free utilities for converting ESRI's geodatabase format > (.mdb) to other formats? Even ESRI does not provide a way to convert an > annotaion feature class from a geodatabse to an annotation coverage. I was > wondering if anyone was working on this. Dan, Based on a brief inspection it appears that the geodatabase is a standard MS Access .mdb file with the geometry in a binary column in exactly the same format shapes are held in a shapefile. I had thought of trying to build an ODBC based utility to translate this into a shapefile but there hasn't really been much call for it. Note that FME from Safe Software includes support for Geodatabase, but of course that's not free. There is apparently a project going on to implement at least read access to .mdb files on Linux. It might be interesting to build a more generic translator using that instead of writing a translator that only works on Windows because of the dependence on ODBC and Access ODBC drivers. I would also be interested to hear if anyone is working on geodatabase access. Best regards, -- ---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam at pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent From ALSPACH at unhcr.ch Tue Aug 21 13:45:41 2001 From: ALSPACH at unhcr.ch (Andrew Alspach) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:45:41 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Excel Mapping Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20010821/c9cc8a02/attachment.txt From jan at intevation.de Wed Aug 22 19:17:21 2001 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:17:21 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] it is now possible (not mandatory) to pay for the FreeGIS project Message-ID: <20010822191721.A25460@intevation.de> Dear all, we (at Intevation) are discussing economic models behind free software. It is a complex matter and there is no single solution of course. One simple model is to get contracted by a client to develop or improve a free software. In the area of GIS we did this e.g. with 'MapIt!'. Other companies offer this service, too and I hope even more will do in the future. How to push projects that are of use for many, but the individual value is too low to make a comprehensive investment? Think e.g. about your free software mail program, file browser or text editor. Only few of these are occasionally sponsored by GNU/Linux-distributors or get support by other interested companies. We think it is a good idea to give users the opportunity to pay low amount in a simple process for things they value - if they wish. I added this opportunity to FreeGIS now, see http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html If you are a user of a certain free GIS tool and you want to give money for it, please find ways to directly support the corresponding project and don't give FreeGIS the money. I am very interested in your opinion about this approach (in general or concerning FreeGIS). All the best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca Wed Aug 22 20:16:54 2001 From: Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca (Matt.Wilkie) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:16:54 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] it is now possible (not mandatory) to pay for the FreeGIS project Message-ID: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530BA1A9F7@raptor.gov.yk.ca> > We think it is a good idea to give users the opportunity > to pay low amount in a simple process for things they value > - if they wish. > I added this opportunity to FreeGIS now, see > http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html PayPal is another easy method which I have used a couple of times. It can work well in situations where the recipient doesn't have anything in place already to accept money. For a voluntary payment model which seems to be working in the music genre see http://fairtunes.com/. Incidentally, the operators of FairTunes have no problems with non-musicians being a recipient of their services -- a few micropayments have been directed to Linus Torvalds http://www.fairtunes.com/artistinfo.jsp?caller=url&artist=200095 One of the attractions of the FairTunes implementation is that payments can be as low as $0.25 Also see http://www.potlatch.net/ -matt ----------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Wilkie * Yukon Renewable Resources GIS http://renres.gov.yk.ca/pubs/rrgis/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jan at intevation.de Thu Aug 23 11:22:03 2001 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:22:03 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Bad link/Server mis-configured In-Reply-To: ; from raanders@tincan.org on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 09:56:27AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20010823112203.A28514@intevation.de> Hi Rod, On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 09:56:27AM -0700, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: > I have been trying for several days to access Bruce Perens FTP site but > either get site not available or can't get into the correct directory. I will ask Bruce about this. There is an alternative however: http://freegis.org/details.en.html?name=TIGER/Line+1997 > I'd like to look at the data he has or ... find a good source for US > data - mapping stuff. So far all the US Government sites have been > busts. 'EarthExplorer.usgs.gov' uses Java applets which don't appear to > work correctly with Netscape 4.61. > This then leads me to ask for some suggestions of data sources that > are download-able/order-able (reasonably priced). I'm working on some > free (mapping) projects so cost _is_ an issue. > > I'd prefer either Shape files (since I'll be using PostGIS which has an > import/conversion utility) or some other ASCII formatted files that I > can load into PostgreSQL/PostGIS. It is quite important which type of data you ar looking for (which resolution, features). The situation about free geo-data is bad in general, but for the US more comfortable than for the rest of the world. Many public or university libraries in the US offer hundreds of CDs with geo-data to copy. The FreeGIS project has concentrated on software far more than on data by now. I added the need to refine the data situation and availability to the todo list. Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From gollamudi.lakshman at navigon.de Thu Aug 23 11:45:51 2001 From: gollamudi.lakshman at navigon.de (Lakshman Gollamudi) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:45:51 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] GML Message-ID: <99AB53441060D511838B00C09F03A87403843C@DIONYSOS> Hi All, I am a newbie to GIS. I have been looking into GML and am evaluating a possibility to use GML-SVG for displaying maps. This is purely a study and I intend to come out with an understanding of what is the best way to render maps on a browser. The scneario of my exercise would be something like this: A user can come to the website and ask for a map. I need to pick the appropriate map from the set which is essentially in GML format, convert it to SVG on the fly and then push the SVG to the browser. For now, I am not including any user interaction on the map like selectig a point etc. I have the following questions: 1. Why do we need a WFS? I have not been able to understand the concept of WFS. Can I not use a simple webserver? 2. Do I have to buy a tool that converts GML to SVG on the fly? Please pardon me if the questions are very trivial. Regards Lakshman From adoyle at intl-interfaces.com Thu Aug 23 13:37:52 2001 From: adoyle at intl-interfaces.com (Allan Doyle) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:37:52 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] GML References: <99AB53441060D511838B00C09F03A87403843C@DIONYSOS> Message-ID: <3B84EB10.C6E45580@intl-interfaces.com> Lakshman Gollamudi wrote: > > Hi All, > I am a newbie to GIS. I have been looking into GML and am evaluating a > possibility to use GML-SVG for displaying maps. This is purely a study and I > intend to come out with an understanding of what is the best way to render > maps on a browser. > The scneario of my exercise would be something like this: > A user can come to the website and ask for a map. I need to pick the > appropriate map from the set which is essentially in GML format, convert it > to SVG on the fly and then push the SVG to the browser. For now, I am not > including any user interaction on the map like selectig a point etc. > I have the following questions: > 1. Why do we need a WFS? I have not been able to understand the concept of > WFS. Can I not use a simple webserver? A Webserver would let you get predefined chunks of GML. I.e. you are still in a file-based world. A WFS lets you input a query (Get me the features whose occupancy property is greater than 3 within this polygon) and get back GML. If you also implement transactions in the WFS you can upload individual features or groups of them, or delete or modify existing ones. > 2. Do I have to buy a tool that converts GML to SVG on the fly? That depends on what you want to do. At this point, GML to SVG seems to be implemented via either building a SAX or DOM based GML reader that then emits SVG, or by building XSLT style sheets. You can find some of the latter at www.gmlcentral.com/tiger > Please pardon me if the questions are very trivial. No, this is new stuff, there are bound to be many questions until enough information exists for people to look at. > Regards > Lakshman > Allan -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Allan Doyle http://www.intl-interfaces.com adoyle at intl-interfaces.com From jan at intevation.de Thu Aug 23 14:50:14 2001 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:50:14 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] Excel Mapping In-Reply-To: ; from ALSPACH@unhcr.ch on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 01:45:41PM +0200 References: Message-ID: <20010823145014.A30095@intevation.de> Hi Andrew, On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 01:45:41PM +0200, Andrew Alspach wrote: > I would just like to call your attention to the mapping > functionality that is built into Microsoft Excel. This does > not fall within your definitions of "Free Software" but I > believe it is in the same spirit of your Website. > I recently discovered that the mapping functions in Excel > are very useful for Novice users to represent data in a > spreadsheet spatially. My job is to mainstream GIS and > for me this means getting people to use spatial data as > frequently as possible. Excel mapping functions allow > dynamic tabular data to be represented in a map. This > is a feature that is not present in any free GIS software > that I am aware of (please respond if you know of one) > but is one of the strongest points of GIS software. The > drawbacks of Excel mapping are the limited spatial > layers available to users. (Lots of USA...some UK and > little of the rest of the world) If your area of interest is > The Horn of Africa, you are in luck, because the Data > Exchange Platform for the Horn Of Africa (DEPHA) > initiative has Excel compatible data on the web for > downloads at: www.hornofafricadata.org You will also > find a How-To manual to help you along. While you are > there check out the GeoDepot section for per-country > spatial data layers at various scales. The Geo-Depot of your site looks very promising. However, you should clearly state under which legal terms the data you offer for download are. If it is all free data that you are offering, you surely have the potential to become the leading project on this topic and I would love to coordinate free data issues with you. Some political thoughts: I think that the Free Software approach is most important for developing countries to gain independence and eventually to be a producer of its own in the field of IT. Selling oneself to proprietary formats (like Excel and the rest of the MS Office) will keep the steady grip of industry countries. Developing countries have the real chance to not adopt proprietary infra-structure (steered by others) and thus do better (be faster) than developed countries. All the best Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From jan at intevation.de Thu Aug 23 15:14:18 2001 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:14:18 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] it is now possible (not mandatory) to pay for the FreeGIS project In-Reply-To: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530BA1A9F7@raptor.gov.yk.ca>; from Matt.Wilkie@gov.yk.ca on Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:16:54AM -0700 References: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530BA1A9F7@raptor.gov.yk.ca> Message-ID: <20010823151418.B30095@intevation.de> On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:16:54AM -0700, Matt.Wilkie wrote: > > We think it is a good idea to give users the opportunity > > to pay low amount in a simple process for things they value > > - if they wish. > > I added this opportunity to FreeGIS now, see > > http://freegis.org/about-paying.en.html we looked into several services and decided that kagi is the best one for it allows - payments in many ways (many credit cards, checks, even cash). - anonymous payment (you don't need to register if you want to pay) - Simple, fast and quite usable web pages > PayPal is another easy method which I have used a couple of > times. It can work well in situations where the recipient > doesn't have anything in place already to accept money. For PayPal you need to register. I am also not sure whether this is possible for anyone on our planet. > For a voluntary payment model which seems to be working in the > music genre see http://fairtunes.com/. Incidentally, the > operators of FairTunes have no problems with non-musicians > being a recipient of their services -- a few micropayments have > been directed to Linus Torvalds > http://www.fairtunes.com/artistinfo.jsp?caller=url&artist=200095 Visa, PayPal, and E-Gold is not enough payment opportunities. > One of the attractions of the FairTunes implementation is that > payments can be as low as $0.25 Indeed, such low payments are desireful. However, the Internet is yet not ready with adequate methods for broad use. So we must stick to the world-wide standard payment still being the credit card. Unfortunately charging $0.25 would probably result in negative amounts due to the usual (partly fixed) fees :-( > Also see http://www.potlatch.net/ Low usability. The pages just don't allow me to find answers quickly. I expect that many services of this kind will be launched and the exsiting ones will improve their usability/usefulness. I am very excited to watch the developments. Regards Jan -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ From raanders at tincan.org Thu Aug 23 16:08:31 2001 From: raanders at tincan.org (Roderick A. Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Freegis-list] Bad link/Server mis-configured In-Reply-To: <20010823112203.A28514@intevation.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Jan-Oliver Wagner wrote: > I will ask Bruce about this. Thanks Jan. > There is an alternative however: > http://freegis.org/details.en.html?name=TIGER/Line+1997 I think I looked at this but I'm trying again right now. > It is quite important which type of data you ar looking for > (which resolution, features). The situation about free geo-data > is bad in general, but for the US more comfortable than for the > rest of the world. Well I do have some semi-public data I got while working forthe US Forest Service. They used MOSS before moving to the ESRI stuff so I've got a bunch of USGS Quad level stuff (vector) for the National Forest Lands of North Idaho. I can't remember the standards - accuracy, etc. I also have the DEMs for the same areas. When I get PostGIS installed I am planning on sharing the data via the Internet. > Many public or university libraries in the US offer hundreds > of CDs with geo-data to copy. I've worked with one locally but they were very unsure about sharing their data - copyright laws, etc. I'll be checking with some others and persuing this one a little more indepth. > The FreeGIS project has concentrated on software far more > than on data by now. I added the need to refine the data > situation and availability to the todo list. This sounds great. What I would like to see is a mostly seamless GIS/Mapping database(s) - as in not delimited by USGS Quad and other _standards_ edges - that could be queried for data to be pulled back locally and processed. My main interest is in creating custom (recreational) maps. Enough rambling. Again thanks for checking on this. Rod -- From jan at intevation.de Thu Aug 23 16:44:41 2001 From: jan at intevation.de (Jan-Oliver Wagner) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:44:41 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] it is now possible (not mandatory) to pay... Message-ID: <20010823164441.A31062@intevation.de> I received this email which is acutally adressed to all. -- Jan-Oliver Wagner http://intevation.de/~jan/ Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: (Walter Harms) Subject: Re: [Freegis-list] it is now possible (not mandatory) to pay fo Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 9:45:49 +0100 Size: 4439 Url: http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20010823/f8db498c/attachment.txt From Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca Thu Aug 23 19:43:12 2001 From: Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca (Matt.Wilkie) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:43:12 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] it is now possible (not mandatory) to pay for the FreeGIS project Message-ID: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530BA1AF55@raptor.gov.yk.ca> > However, the Internet is yet not ready with adequate methods > for broad use. So we must stick to the world-wide standard > payment still being the credit card. By listing other existing methods such as Paypal and FairTunes, I wasn't implying that Kagi was a poor choice, just that there at least two additional methods available and that people could use whichever route is most convenient for them. The analogy is, when I go to the corner store I can buy my groceries with cash, cheque, credit or debit card. Likewise if I want to support a free software project I could use any one of Kagi, Paypal, or FairTunes (in addition to traditional snail mail methods). >> For a voluntary payment model which seems to be working in the >> music genre see http://fairtunes.com/. Incidentally, the ... >Visa, PayPal, and E-Gold is not enough payment opportunities. To be accurate, FairTunes will also accept cash, money orders, cheques and bank-to-bank wire transfers. However, all things considered, Kagi does have more comprehensive services. cheers, -matt ----------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Wilkie * Yukon Renewable Resources GIS http://renres.gov.yk.ca/pubs/rrgis/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From frank.koormann at intevation.de Thu Aug 23 20:06:40 2001 From: frank.koormann at intevation.de (Frank Koormann) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:06:40 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] it is now possible (not mandatory) to pay for the FreeGIS project In-Reply-To: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530BA1AF55@raptor.gov.yk.ca>; from Matt.Wilkie@gov.yk.ca on Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 10:43:12AM -0700 References: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530BA1AF55@raptor.gov.yk.ca> Message-ID: <20010823200640.A32591@intevation.de> Hi Matt, thank you for your hints. Before we decided to choose kagi, we checked several sites / concepts, but neither FairTunes nor potlatch were amoung these. * Matt.Wilkie (Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca) [010823 19:43]: > > However, the Internet is yet not ready with adequate methods > > for broad use. So we must stick to the world-wide standard > > payment still being the credit card. > > By listing other existing methods such as Paypal and FairTunes, > I wasn't implying that Kagi was a poor choice, just that there > at least two additional methods available and that people could > use whichever route is most convenient for them. Yes, you are right, we should consider further methods. Paypal might be an option. But for starting the initiative we decided to choose a method without registration as the most convenient way. Regarding FairTunes, I could find out their conditions to set up an account within reasonable time. I think we will check some further services, e.g. we still need the Euro as a second currency. 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Before we decided to choose kagi, we checked > several sites / concepts, but neither FairTunes nor potlatch were amoung > these. > > * Matt.Wilkie (Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca) [010823 19:43]: > > > However, the Internet is yet not ready with adequate methods > > > for broad use. So we must stick to the world-wide standard > > > payment still being the credit card. > > > > By listing other existing methods such as Paypal and FairTunes, > > I wasn't implying that Kagi was a poor choice, just that there > > at least two additional methods available and that people could > > use whichever route is most convenient for them. > > Yes, you are right, we should consider further methods. Paypal might be > an option. But for starting the initiative we decided to choose > a method without registration as the most convenient way. > > Regarding FairTunes, I could find out their conditions to set up an Hmmm, sorry, I could _not_ find out in reasonable time. > account within reasonable time. I think we will check some further > services, e.g. we still need the Euro as a second currency. But all > European services we checked until now had too high rates to make small > payments reasonable. > I think it is time now to leave the office (and enjoy one of the seldom summer evenings here in Lower Saxony :). Cheers, Frank -- Frank Koormann Professional Service around Free Software (http://intevation.net/) FreeGIS Project (http://freegis.org/) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20010823/cca654f6/attachment.bin From ainut1 at telocity.com Thu Aug 23 20:19:42 2001 From: ainut1 at telocity.com (AINut) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:19:42 -0500 Subject: [Freegis-list] it is now possible (not mandatory) to pay for the FreeGIS project References: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530BA1AF55@raptor.gov.yk.ca> <20010823200640.A32591@intevation.de> <20010823201124.A32729@intevation.de> Message-ID: <3B85493E.2ED3E6A9@telocity.com> Brand new member to the list! We're in the US and can take credit cards. If you like, we'll process them for you and send the sum routinely. Our bank charges a little over 3% if we can't swipe the cards ourselves. Will this help? Four Plus Technologies Huntsville, Alabama Frank Koormann wrote: > > * Frank Koormann (frank.koormann at intevation.de) [010823 20:07]: > > Hi Matt, > > > > thank you for your hints. Before we decided to choose kagi, we checked > > several sites / concepts, but neither FairTunes nor potlatch were amoung > > these. > > > > * Matt.Wilkie (Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca) [010823 19:43]: > > > > However, the Internet is yet not ready with adequate methods > > > > for broad use. So we must stick to the world-wide standard > > > > payment still being the credit card. > > > > > > By listing other existing methods such as Paypal and FairTunes, > > > I wasn't implying that Kagi was a poor choice, just that there > > > at least two additional methods available and that people could > > > use whichever route is most convenient for them. > > > > Yes, you are right, we should consider further methods. Paypal might be > > an option. But for starting the initiative we decided to choose > > a method without registration as the most convenient way. > > > > Regarding FairTunes, I could find out their conditions to set up an > > Hmmm, sorry, I could _not_ find out in reasonable time. > > > account within reasonable time. I think we will check some further > > services, e.g. we still need the Euro as a second currency. But all > > European services we checked until now had too high rates to make small > > payments reasonable. > > > > I think it is time now to leave the office (and enjoy one of the seldom > summer evenings here in Lower Saxony :). > > Cheers, > > Frank > > -- > Frank Koormann > Professional Service around Free Software (http://intevation.net/) > FreeGIS Project (http://freegis.org/) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca Fri Aug 24 02:18:22 2001 From: Matt.Wilkie at gov.yk.ca (Matt.Wilkie) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:18:22 -0700 Subject: [Freegis-list] very large image handling & serving? Message-ID: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530BA1B27F@raptor.gov.yk.ca> Hi All, What is the current state of open source / free software solutions for handling and serving very large images? Please reply to me directly and I will summarize the responses back to the lists in about a week. The goal is to serve up ortho-mosaics with the following dimensions and size (uncompressed): RAW MOSAIC 30 metre Standard: 37,000 x 32,000 pixels = ~ 1.2gig 15 metre Panchromatic: 74,000 x 64,000 pixels = ~ 4.8gig 60 metre Thermal: 18,500 x 16,000 pixels = ~ 296 meg IMAGE PRODUCTS 30 metre RGB Composite = 1.2gig x 3 = 3.6gig 15 metre Enhanced Composite = 3.6gig x 4 = 14.4 gig The user would display a decimated reference image of the entire mosaic and draw a selection box to select their area of interest. This could be via a web or standalone app. Most areas of interest would probably not be larger than screen size (eg. 1280x1064). Clients would require everything from full resolution 1to1 images for remote sensing analysis to decimated "web-ready" screen shots. Other notes: - clients are desktop publishing apps (Word, Excel, Publisher, Illustrator, PhotoShop), low end GIS (ArcView, MapInfo), high end GIS/RS (ArcInfo v7&8, PCI), and web browsers (IE, NS). - Mutli-segmented intranet, Windows NT 4 domain servers - hardware of the server is yet determined but is not likely to be that good, at least initially (eg. ~1ghz, 768mb ram, IDE RAID) - the sysadmins are all mostly Win32 based, the *nix expertise is limited thus any *nix-based solution must be GUI and and should be WIMP friendly. - there is a non-trivial amount of ESRI inertia, thus for Mapserver to win out over ArcIMS there must be compelling arguments with pretty pictures. - there is a non-trivial amount of Microsoft inertia, thus more compelling arguments and more pretty pictures. I have no idea what the actual demand on the server will be, but potentially a lot -- 595 computers spread over 21 subnets on the intranet just answered to "net view". The results of this query are not likely to be implemented by myself; I will be writing it up a report and passing on recommendations. -matt ----------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Wilkie * Yukon Renewable Resources GIS http://renres.gov.yk.ca/pubs/rrgis/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From fnievinski at cpovo.net Fri Aug 24 04:50:57 2001 From: fnievinski at cpovo.net (Felipe G. Nievinski) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:50:57 -0300 Subject: [Freegis-list] very large image handling & serving? In-Reply-To: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530BA1B27F@raptor.gov.yk.ca> References: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530BA1B27F@raptor.gov.yk.ca> Message-ID: <200108232350570600.00AC7003@smtp.terra.com.br> Matt, try the MIT Orthophoto Server. It is being used to serve the entire USA Landsat mosaic at http://wmt.jpl.nasa.gov/ and it is compliant with the Open GIS Consortium Web Map Server specification v1.0 (note: it is not the last OGC's version). It is already listed in the FreeGIS website (at ) Hope this helps. regards, Felipe. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 23/08/01 at 17:18 Matt.Wilkie wrote: >Hi All, > >What is the current state of open source / free software solutions >for handling and serving very large images? > From bernhard at intevation.de Fri Aug 24 16:59:10 2001 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:59:10 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] very large image handling & serving? In-Reply-To: <200108232350570600.00AC7003@smtp.terra.com.br>; from fnievinski@cpovo.net on Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 11:50:57PM -0300 References: <6DD7370C9452D31192A10008C75D07530BA1B27F@raptor.gov.yk.ca> <200108232350570600.00AC7003@smtp.terra.com.br> Message-ID: <20010824165910.I4521@intevation.de> On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 11:50:57PM -0300, Felipe G. Nievinski wrote: > try the MIT Orthophoto Server. It is being used to serve the entire USA Landsat mosaic at http://wmt.jpl.nasa.gov/ and it is compliant with the Open GIS Consortium Web Map Server specification v1.0 (note: it is not the last OGC's version). > It is already listed in the FreeGIS website (at ) MapIt! might be able to handle this, but I am not sure. However this could be a matter of image compression, caching and indexing.... Bernhard -- Gesch?ftsf?hrer, Intevation GmbH (intevation.de) Projekt Freie GIS Software (freegis.org/index.de.html) FFII e.V. (ffii.org) FSF Europa (fsfeurope.org/index.de.html) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 248 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20010824/228488a7/attachment.bin From raanders at tincan.org Fri Aug 24 17:16:30 2001 From: raanders at tincan.org (Roderick A. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Freegis-list] www.freegis.org ??? Message-ID: Fyi, I can ping the site 'www.freegis.org' but get no responses on port 80 ie. I can't connect but I can get to the site as 'freegis.org' Cheers, Rod -- From frank.koormann at intevation.de Fri Aug 24 17:36:59 2001 From: frank.koormann at intevation.de (Frank Koormann) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:36:59 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] www.freegis.org ??? In-Reply-To: ; from raanders@tincan.org on Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:16:30AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20010824173659.A5826@intevation.de> Hi Rod, * Roderick A. Anderson (raanders at tincan.org) [010824 17:17]: > Fyi, > > I can ping the site 'www.freegis.org' but get no responses on port 80 > ie. I can't connect but I can get to the site as 'freegis.org' > Might be because of some forwards: the web server forwards page requests to the content management system (zope). However, what have you tried? I have checked www.freegis.org from different networks with netscape and lynx and the start page showed up ?! Regards, Frank -- Frank Koormann Professional Service around Free Software (http://intevation.net/) FreeGIS Project (http://freegis.org/) From Andreas.Lange at Rhein-Main.de Fri Aug 24 17:42:22 2001 From: Andreas.Lange at Rhein-Main.de (Andreas Lange) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:42:22 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] www.freegis.org ??? References: Message-ID: <3B8675DE.47550461@Rhein-Main.de> Hi Roderick, it works from here perfectly. Both www.freegis.org and freegis.org. The problem must be on your side. I noticed some problems reaching us servers from here recently. Perhaps Code Red causes some network congestion. cu, Andreas "Roderick A. Anderson" wrote: > > Fyi, > > I can ping the site 'www.freegis.org' but get no responses on port 80 > ie. I can't connect but I can get to the site as 'freegis.org' > > Cheers, > Rod > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Freegis-list mailing list > Freegis-list at intevation.de > http://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list -- Andreas Lange, 65187 Wiesbaden, Germany, Tel. +49 611 807850 url: http://mitglied.tripod.de/AndreasLange mail: Andreas.Lange_at_Rhein-Main.de - A.C.Lange_at_GMX.net From bernhard at intevation.de Fri Aug 24 17:44:23 2001 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:44:23 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] www.freegis.org ??? In-Reply-To: ; from raanders@tincan.org on Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:16:30AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20010824174423.M4521@intevation.de> On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:16:30AM -0700, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: > I can ping the site 'www.freegis.org' but get no responses on port 80 > ie. I can't connect but I can get to the site as 'freegis.org' It is working from here (over the internet). 131.173.30.110 is the current IP for freegis.org and www.freegis.org and the server answers on both. Bernhard -- Gesch?ftsf?hrer, Intevation GmbH (intevation.de) Projekt Freie GIS Software (freegis.org/index.de.html) FFII e.V. (ffii.org) FSF Europa (fsfeurope.org/index.de.html) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 248 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.intevation.de/pipermail/freegis-list/attachments/20010824/9d2a08bb/attachment.bin From bernhard at intevation.de Fri Aug 24 21:21:03 2001 From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:21:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Freegis-list] Overview software and data formats (fwd) Message-ID: <20010824192103.104881B73B@abnoba.hq> An embedded message was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20010824173659.A5826@intevation.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Frank Koormann wrote: > Might be because of some forwards: the web server forwards page requests > to the content management system (zope). However, what have you tried? > I have checked www.freegis.org from different networks with netscape and > lynx and the start page showed up ?! Sorry. Must have been a bad day. I thought I had tried from several networks but I just tried from a different one today and had no problem. Time to pick on my ISP. Rod -- From raanders at tincan.org Sat Aug 25 16:04:05 2001 From: raanders at tincan.org (Roderick A. Anderson) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Freegis-list] www.freegis.org ??? In-Reply-To: <20010824174423.M4521@intevation.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:16:30AM -0700, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: > > I can ping the site 'www.freegis.org' but get no responses on port 80 > > ie. I can't connect but I can get to the site as 'freegis.org' > > It is working from here (over the internet). > 131.173.30.110 is the current IP for freegis.org and www.freegis.org > and the server answers on both. Using the IP works fine. Hummm. I really do need to contact my ISP. Rod -- From warmerdam at pobox.com Thu Aug 30 16:00:25 2001 From: warmerdam at pobox.com (Frank Warmerdam) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:00:25 -0400 Subject: [Freegis-list] Shapelib 1.2.9 Released Message-ID: <3B8E46F9.8040907@pobox.com> GIS Developers, I am pleased to announce the 1.2.9 release of Shapelib. Shapelib is a free C library for reading and writing ESRI Shapefiles. It also includes commandline utilities for viewing (as text) the contents of shapefiles, for clipping, shifting, and scaling shapes, and for reprojecting shapes. This release includes: o Good support for reading and writing NULL fields in .dbf files, good support for NULL shapes and addition of the DBFGetFieldIndex() functions (all contributed by Jim Matthews). o An upgraded shputils.c has been contributed by Bill Miller. o Daniel Morissette contributed DBFGetNativeFieldType(). o Better error checking for disk errors in dbfopen.c. Various other bug fixes and safety improvements. The Shapelib web page, which includes the new release, and various other information, is at: http://gdal.velocet.ca/projects/shapelib/index.html For this release I have created an entry for Shapelib on the popular Freshmeat site. Anyone interested in learning of new releases of Shapelib is encouraged visit the following URL and select "Subscribe to new releases" on the right. http://freshmeat.net/projects/shapelib/ Best regards, -- ---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam at pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent From apgarcia at uwm.edu Fri Aug 31 06:49:45 2001 From: apgarcia at uwm.edu (a. p. garcia) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:49:45 +0000 Subject: [Freegis-list] xrmap Message-ID: <200108310451.f7V4p8Q33636@pop2.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> Homepage: http://frmas.free.fr/li_1.htm Tar/GZ: ftp://ftp.ac-grenoble.fr/ge/geosciences/xrmap-1.2.tgz Trove categories: Development Status :: 5 - Production/Stable Environment :: X11 Applications Intended Audience :: End Users/Desktop License :: OSI Approved :: GNU General Public License (GPL) Operating System :: POSIX Programming Language :: C Topic :: Scientific/Engineering :: Visualization xrmap by Jean-Pierre Demailly - Tuesday, August 14th 2001 12:09 EDT About: Xrmap is a program running under X that can interactively display portions of the Earth, using the huge CIA world vector map. It is based on an earlier console utility 'rmap'. It features political boundaries, major and minor rivers, glaciers, lakes, canals, etc. The map remains accurate under a very large zoom factor, which can possibly exceed 100. Spherical, rectangular, Mercator and Miller projections are implemented, and all features can be interactively set from the GUI. Author: Jean-Pierre Demailly http://freshmeat.net/projects/xrmap/ From pavel at ucw.cz Fri Aug 31 15:47:14 2001 From: pavel at ucw.cz (Pavel Machek) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:47:14 +0200 Subject: [Freegis-list] aitoi map browser Message-ID: <20010831154714.A2241@bug.ucw.cz> Hi! I'd like to make aitoi run on czech maps (map of prague, map of czech republic). But that means that I have to get aitoi, first. Does anyone have copy handy? Can you mail it to me (privately)? Pavel -- I'm pavel at ucw.cz. "In my country we have almost anarchy and I don't care." Panos Katsaloulis describing me w.r.t. patents at discuss at linmodems.org